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MADISON
October 3, 2009, 10:34 AM
IF I were to get a Curio and Relic FFL would the dealers in SHOTGUN NEWS sell me items made in and before 1959?

Chipperman
October 3, 2009, 11:18 AM
Many of them will. I have personally dealt with AIM, SOG, JG Sales, Century, and a few others.

jonnyc
October 3, 2009, 07:55 PM
All the biggies will. You just send them a signed copy of your 03 to keep on file, and then call to confirm.

gyvel
October 3, 2009, 10:54 PM
Just remember that the C&R DOES NOT allow you to "engage in the business." It was solely meant for collectors to enhance their collections.

That's not to say you can't occasionally sell or trade a gun to others, only that you can't be engaged in a business for profit. Furthermore, BATFE takes a very dim view of you ordering things for your buddies. Again: The license is supposed to be for you to "enhance" your personal collection only.

You have to keep a bound book, just like an 01 FFL, and all purchases must be entered into that book. If you sell something it has to be logged out as to whom sold, etc., just like a regular 01 FFL. Also, if you sell something out of your personal collection that was owned prior to being licensed, it has to be entered into your book and subsequently logged out to the purchaser.

Unfortunately, many small 01 FFL dealers are not savvy enough to know about the 50 year rule and assume that a particular gun has to be on ATF's C&R list to be eligible; This can be frustrating at times, and trying to "educate" them is like trying to teach nuclear physics to a chimpanzee.:D

Also, if you decide to give up your license, you do not need to turn in your records. (For now, at least.)

BobbyT
October 4, 2009, 05:58 AM
Just to clarify regarding buying for your friends:

It was always illegal to buy for a felon or someone else prohibited from firearms ownership (like girlfriends do for thugs, etc). One of the wonderful features of the 1968 People Control Act was to redefine "straw purchase" to include any purchase for someone else, turning people buying for *legal* owners into felons.

On the other side of the coin, however, you *can* purchase for someone else as a gift (otherwise half the dads in the country would be felons the second their kids got their first .22s).

So you can get tired of your Garand and sell it to a friend.
You can be a real pal and buy two Garands with the intention of giving your friend one.
But if you buy a Garand to sell to your friend, you're a felon.

gyvel
October 5, 2009, 02:25 AM
You can be a real pal and buy two Garands with the intention of giving your friend one.

Very bad advice.

BobbyT
October 5, 2009, 09:26 PM
Why is that? As I understand it, the GCA's wording specifically allows for purchase as a gift if the recipient can legally own it.

Otherwise, you'd be a felon for buying your wife a pistol for Christmas.

Edit: here's an ATF reference:
http://www.brokawarms.com/library/gunlaws/strawpurchase.html

gyvel
October 6, 2009, 10:12 AM
Yes, you can purchase a "gift" for your wife or anyone else. That's OK to do when you are purchasing from a dealer and you fill out the 4473. When you have the 03 license, it specifies that it is to enhance your own personal collection. You can occasionally sell an item to someone "else" (your buddy) and probably get away with it, but I wouldn't do it too often, as ATF frowns on it. If you made a regular practice of it, you would be considered to be "engaged in the business" and the mighty jackboot of ATF would come down upon you hard, indeed.