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RAnb
September 25, 2009, 11:14 PM
Anyone here ever have a problem with NFA weapons? Problems like over zealous police, TSA at the airport or just other people who think you are a criminal (or wanna be criminal) just for owning or talking about them?

My problems have been limited to those people at work who think is it strange or illegal to own a silencer, posters on other forums who have accused me of breaking (or trying to) the law and the TSA in Seattle when traveling with title 2 weapons. I usually ask people why they have a muffler on their car when they ask my why I have a silencer for my rifle. One co-worker was expressing concern for his safety when he heard me talking about my gun collection. When I asked him what he planned on doing to me that would make him believe that I would harm him with my guns, he did not have an answer. Very disappointing when a person like that runs from a debate.

As far as I know this forum only has one person who is biased enough to suggest that those wishing to own title 2 weapons are potential criminals and he only has one lap dog. It is worse on some of the other forums I have posted on .

Ranb

Hkmp5sd
September 26, 2009, 08:06 AM
Never had any problems with NFA items. Everyone at work knows I have machineguns and suppressors. Many have shot them. The occassional new guy will think such things are illegal. They are easy to educate. I've never had an LEO ask to see my paperwork.

Chipperman
September 26, 2009, 09:44 AM
No negative comments, often surprise.
No LEO encounters.

Willie Lowman
September 26, 2009, 10:45 AM
I have had the usual "Aren't they illegal" and or "Don't the Feds come to your house" questions. :rolleyes:

I find it very annoying when some redneck who owns more guns than I do demands "What do you need that for?!? How many holes do you have to put in a deer?!?" This has happened to me more than once. Apparently the only reason to own guns is to kill animals. :mad:

The LEOs of my area are (mostly) wise to the NFA scene. I actually brought a form 4 into my Sheriff's office for CLEO sign off that had white-out on it. The deputy looked at it, pulled a new form 4 out and said "Why don't you fill out a new one, I would hate to see them kick your form 4 back because of white-out" He then asked if I needed any blue fingerprint cards! Awesome! :cool:

Selph Arms
September 26, 2009, 11:06 AM
This is my first post, I am new to this forum here is my experience with the TSA agents at the Dallas TX airport. I was going to visit my dad in Wisconsin so I decided to combine the trip with some business for a tax right off for the company, so I decided to take some NFA firearms.

When I went to check in the guns the agent told me let me get my supervisor I’ll be right back, next thing I know I have two cops asking me all types of question. I explained I was a class 3 dealer on a business trip and showed them all my paper work FFL/SOT, well that really didn’t help so I missed my plane and got to talk to the ATF agent for a bought 10 minutes and he told the TSA agents I was within my legal rights; so for the inconvenience I got upgraded to first class for free, but the food still sucked.


I believe TSA gets all there employees from the reject pile at taco bell!!!:D

RAnb
September 26, 2009, 05:24 PM
What did the ATF agent need to talk about for ten minutes? Why wasn't a brief look at your FFL/SOT enough for him to just tell TSA that there was nothing to see here?

Ranb

Selph Arms
September 26, 2009, 05:46 PM
The only reason he talked to me for the ten minutes was he liked the way I modified the ar-15 upper, I ended up doing the same setup for him a couple weeks later so he turned into a customer.

Skans
September 28, 2009, 08:43 AM
The only grief I got when I purchased my AC556 was from my wife. She didn't care whether I had a machine gun or not, but she didn't like being "interviewed" by the CLEO's plain-cloths investigator, and she sure as heck didn't like the investigator asking questions of our neighbors (eventhough he tried to do this discretely).

I don't generally tell friends and co-workers who aren't into guns about what I've got. Most of my gun friends think its sort of cool that I have a machine gun and like when I let them fire it.

One non-gun couple felt certain that this was illegal, since they had a friend who worked for BATFE who told them something along this line.

Another non-gun friend mistakenly thought that my semi-auto "assault weapons" were machine guns and when I explained in excitement that I finally got a machine gun, he sort of scratched his head thinking that I alread had some.

You just never know who a non-gun person will react to ANY type of gun you own. The general lack of knowledge and range of prejudices about guns never ceases to amaze me. My advice is - be careful about to whom you tell "gun related" things to.

flight954
September 28, 2009, 03:10 PM
I've only been told I can't use my suppressors at a gun range here in Houston. The range officer told me they have trouble hearing supressed weapons on the line. In which I call BS because both of my supressed weapons sound like a slightly louder 22LR.:confused:

Skans
September 28, 2009, 03:40 PM
I'm not sure what you would need to "hear" a suppressed weapon for on the firing line - I agree BS. What matters is "hot"..."cold"...and the ability of shooters to hear the RO, if present.

James K
September 28, 2009, 08:06 PM
I think my co-workers all knew about my guns, but I never talked about them at work, except with a couple of guys who also owned guns (one owned several auto weapons). I registered my NFA guns in the 1986 amnesty and have now sold them as I am getting older and don't want my wife stuck with paperwork when I pass on. In all that time, I never heard from BATFE or any of its predecessor agencies. My only contact with them was to report an address change, for which I got a "thank you" form letter.

(I had one amusing incident at work. A co-worker and gun owner once held up an item and challenged me to tell him what it was. I replied that it was a rear sight windage screw for a Model 1903 Springfield rifle. He just went away shaking his head and muttering that "he does know his s**t about guns.")

Jim

RAnb
September 28, 2009, 11:38 PM
I've only been told I can't use my suppressors at a gun range here in Houston.

Is this range a club in which the members have a say in how it is operated? It would be a good idea to get together with other members and club officers to ensure that this idiosy does not result in more restrictions.

Ranb

jmorris
September 29, 2009, 08:47 AM
When I get the “what do you need that for?” question I do my best to get the inquirer to the range, once they do a few suppressed FA mag dumps they get the picture. The most questions from an LEO I’ve received were on how to go about setting up a trust (his department head wouldn’t sign off).

flight954
September 29, 2009, 02:57 PM
Is this range a club in which the members have a say in how it is operated? It would be a good idea to get together with other members and club officers to ensure that this idiosy does not result in more restrictions.

Ranb

No, it's a public range.

RAnb
September 29, 2009, 06:14 PM
Who makes policy at the public range? Are the RO's allowed to restrict anything they want?

Ranb

medalguy
September 29, 2009, 10:02 PM
Interesting discussion. Just today I took a friend and neighbor who is an NPR liberal type out shooting with me as he had expressed some interest in all the guns I have showed him. We took an M1919A4 semi out to shoot and ran about 1,000 rounds thru it and I let him shoot about a can of ammo. Now this is not a machine gun but looks like it and sounds like it, especially with a crank unit attached. When we had finished, his comment was "Boy that was fun!" I also let him shoot my FA 1928 Thompson and he got a kick out of that one too.

As we were going out to the range where we shoot, he asked why someone would "need" a machine gun. My response was why would someone "need" a sports car capable of going 200 miles per hour? You can't drive that fast, even out here in New Mexico. It's not about need but just having fun, and the history behind each gun. When we were getting ready to shoot each gun, I gave him the short history of each gun we had. He saw the connection as we shot the guns. "Boy that was fun!"

444
September 29, 2009, 10:38 PM
No
Never had any issues.

I have had people ask me why I need such and such. I don't argue with people like that and don't even answer them.

durian
October 3, 2009, 02:21 PM
No negative comments for my SBR. More often than not, people are intrigued and think it's cool.

ashleydoll_86
October 3, 2009, 11:43 PM
Who makes policy at the public range? Are the RO's allowed to restrict anything they want?

Depending on where you live, state and local laws apply to public range. It doesn't always matter if the equipment is legal in the state, but there can be a state law saying that "You can't use X, Y and Z at public ranges". Where I live, you can't even load more than six rounds at a time into any autoloading guns on a public range, NFA stuff is completely out of the question. I believe our public range restrictions in this town are both a mix of state and local law.

I don't own NFA because I'm too poor for those toys, but I shoot with a guy who owns a lot of nice stuff and he can only use it on his own property (which doesn't matter because he's got his own 300 yard range on his property). He keeps quiet about most of his NFA stuff except when talking to people he trusts because he says it always causes more trouble than it's worth when he brings it up in a conversation. We live in an area where most people only have guns for hunting, so it's easy to catch grief even if you just carry concealed, let alone NFA stuff. People always go with the "Why do you need to own that here? There's not much crime!" because they think owning anything that isn't a "hunting" firearm means you are some kind of paranoid survivalist looking for an excuse to shoot someone.

I wish people understood that it's possible to own guns for purposes other than making things die. :rolleyes: Most people get into NFA weapons because it's fun, it's the gun equivalent of owning a nice sports car and shooting fully automatic is the gun equivalent of driving really fast...the only difference is that driving really fast actually IS a criminal offense. :rolleyes:

Crosshair
October 4, 2009, 10:20 AM
People give me grief all the time about the recoil on my 20 gauge AOW. I warn them, but they never believe me on how hard it kicks.:D

dp509
October 4, 2009, 10:34 AM
I am a police officer. We have several citizens who have full auto and silencers. I tell them, if I am in a shootout, feel free to join in. They are all law abiding citizens. :D

They let me shoot their stuff.

They are all laid back easy going guys.

GLShooter
October 14, 2009, 04:07 PM
Only caught flack from one OLD codger at a range in Tulsa, Oklahoma we were shooting an IPSC match at. After the match we had a side match of pop cans on a string at about 50 yards so I drug out my 10" XM177E2 and had a go at it. The old man walks up and asks me if I had "papers" for it. Well out of 15 guys there 12 of us owned NFA firearms. (the club president was one of them) The old guy was real obnoxious and we finally had to "escort" him to his car and he was told the next time he had an issue with our shooting full auto on the range (which was permitted) to feel free and turn over his membership card and his dues would be cheerfully refunded.

That little shorty sold a lot of Class 3 stuff back in the 80's when my buddies tried it out!!

Greg

shepherddogs
October 14, 2009, 07:16 PM
I used to have a Group Industries Uzi. Every time I shot that thing somebody called the law. Most of the cops who showed up eyed me like I was Charles Manson or something. You could tell when you whipped out the paperwork they didn't know what they were looking at. Then they would write down the serial # so if they figured out later it was illegal they would have some evidence. It was such a pain in the arse I finally transferred it.

HellBillySuperstar
October 14, 2009, 07:45 PM
When I was a teen I had an officer confiscate one of these claiming it was a concealed weapon and that he could arrest me for it. I used to keep it in my wallet. I was young and dumb so I just let it go.

James K
October 14, 2009, 07:46 PM
A slave has everything a person NEEDS - food, shelter and clothing. A free man should be able to have what he WANTS, as long as he does no harm to others.

There is a difference, but people who want to enslave others won't admit it.

Jim

Dr. Strangelove
October 14, 2009, 10:54 PM
Who makes policy at the public range? Are the RO's allowed to restrict anything they want?

This question was answered in this thread, and well answered, but I'd like to add a bit.

In GA, the Department of Natural Resources (DNR) controls the public ranges, which are located on WMA (Wildlife Management Area) land. This year, the GA DNR removed a longstanding suppressor ban from their ranges. As long as you own it legally, you are welcome to fire a suppressed weapon on their ranges. They still prohibit full auto fire on their ranges, for safety reasons, mostly muzzle climb with the result being projectiles exiting the range. I can't argue with that after having seen the folks who come to these public ranges.

I recently joined a private range (because of safety issues on public ranges) which also does not allow full auto fire on their ranges. The reason given was that they have allowed it in the past, but it always ends up in visits from the local Sheriff's dept., along with destruction of club property.

Incidentally, I posted quite a rant a while back about GA public ranges. I emailed the DNR, and ended up speaking with the fellow in charge of all the ranges. He listened to my concerns and I have to say that most of them have been addressed. We spoke for almost an hour and I have to say I was impressed with his willingness to listen to the end user. I saw several changes at my local range in the months after we spoke.

Drummer101
October 23, 2009, 08:16 PM
I think I will chime in on this.

First off I like guns and I go shooting with friends but my parents dont really agree. I have wanted to own a Garand but my dad keeps on saying that they were designed to kill (I cant really argue with that). But I have a long list of stuff I would like :D

But what I can not see is the silencers (I thought they were illegal till I saw this thread lol )

But I am curious as to why you have a silencer unless you were trying to "hide" you shootings, heck I would want to show off :D

David Hineline
October 23, 2009, 11:17 PM
Shooting ranges close due to noise complaints all the time, silencers fix this. Are you one who blasts the base in thier car to bother the neighbors, it is not impressive it is bothersome.

When hunting or shooting why damage your hearing and scare away all the targets?

After you get your first rifle if mommy and daddy let you, you will find that it is damn loud and that wearing hearing protection is not helpfull to proper aim.

Now I assume you think having a silencer as equipment makes one an assasin.

Your mom has the equipment to be a prostitute but I will not assume she is a whore.

RAnb
October 23, 2009, 11:44 PM
But what I can not see is the silencers (I thought they were illegal till I saw this thread lol )

But I am curious as to why you have a silencer unless you were trying to "hide" you shootings, heck I would want to show off

Hide? How do you hide the noise of a gun that is over 100 decibels? I guess you think silencers make a firearm silent? Some silencers do not even make them safe to shoot without ear plugs, especially the high powered rifles.

If you belonged to a rifle range that is being encroached by housing and noise complaints, then you might appreciate silencers more.

So why was it that you thought silencers were illegal until recently? I'm sure you had no good reason to believe so since there are no federal laws prohibiting ownership by law abiding adults.

Ranb

Crosshair
October 23, 2009, 11:49 PM
But I am curious as to why you have a silencer unless you were trying to "hide" you shootings, heck I would want to show off
Why do you want a muffler on your car?
Why do you want to live in an apartment where the walls aren't made of cardboard?
Why do you not want your neighbor mowing his lawn at 5 AM?
Why do you not want big-rigs using their Jake Brakes when coming through town?
Why do you not want to live next to an airport?
Why do you not want to live next to the train yard/train tracks?

After all, don't you want to listen to all those people showing off?

For most people, muzzle blast is an annoyance. Much like the twits who have loud pipes on their cars and motorcycles, it is a something that most of us would rather not deal with. Putting the bullet where we want it is what most of us going for. If we want to make noise, that is what fireworks are for. They are allot cheaper and can be used in more places than guns.

I'm not impressed by how loud someones gun is. What impresses me is how nice a setup it is, how well they can shoot it, and how rare it is.

If someone showed up at the range with a SACO TRG-42 in 338 LM I would be impressed as the TRG-42 is a high quality and expensive rifle. If they could shoot pennies at 200 yards with it, I would be even more impressed. The fact that it has a muzzle blast that can ignite the grass 6' in front of the gun does not impress me.

Making something loud is not hard, A noisy ricer 4-banger flooring it at the stop light does not impress me. A tractor with two Oldsmobile V-8's w/straight pipes dragging the Sled like it was made of styrofoam impresses me. (It impresses me to the point that I still remember it well over a decade later. At least 6' of flame coming out of each pipe and the tractor/sled accelerating like it was a top fuel dragster. The sled topped out and he kept going without slowing down. Had to stop because he ran out of track.)

A suppressor is a piece of safety equipment. My ear muffs only protect MY hearing, a suppressor protects everyone's hearing. It reduces shooter fatigue. It reduces the disturbance to wildlife. (and gives me a batter chance to nails that prairie dogs buddy.)

I want to "hide" my shooting activities much like I want to "hide" the party at my house. I am considerate and don't want to disturb my neighbors.

I HATE it when I'm at the range and someone busts out the 300 RUM. The roof over the benches focuses the muzzle blast and makes it very unpleasant to shoot even if you're a good distance away.

In some parts of the world, suppressor use is REQUIRED.

Drummer101
October 24, 2009, 10:41 AM
I did not ask to get flamed I asked to understand why, I have nothing against silencers and I know guns are loud (shot 1911's, 223, 375 H&H (that hurt) and the 300 RUM, and more, heck I had the opportunity to shoot a 50cal but I could not make it that day).

I just pop in the ear plugs (I am a drummer so I have some nice ones around) and go out.


ps. the reason why I can not own a gun is not that they wont approve but because I am not allowed by law to have them in the house and the closet range is a good drive away and I would not want to pay money to have it stored a long way away.


@ Crosshair that makes a lot of sense

RAnb
October 24, 2009, 11:31 AM
You were being treated very gentle in my opinion. You said why you have a silencer unless you were trying to "hide" you shootings Words like this are flame bait. Would you say the same thing to a car owner? If not, then why are you saying it to a gun owner? When I hear this "what are you hiding" crap in person, I think the person is being rude and tell them so.

I see you avoid answering the questions directed to you. You might want to take a stab at good answers instead of complaints about flaming.

Ranb

Drummer101
October 24, 2009, 06:11 PM
I dont think I phrased anything right in any of my posts and I hope I did not anger anyone really bad but I am still learning.

I just ask for your forgiving and patient with my thoughts.

hayes1966
October 24, 2009, 06:31 PM
More looks of astonishment from other shooters on the range but never issues from and LEO (one did take me up on the offer to shoot my UZI)

Tommy Vercetti
October 24, 2009, 06:52 PM
I have had the usual "Aren't they illegal" and or "Don't the Feds come to your house" questions.

then I explain that I've paid the federal tax and have the license to own mine, I wouldn't own one illegally

Willie Lowman
October 24, 2009, 11:32 PM
I've paid the federal tax and have the license to own mine,

but it isn't a license, it is a stamp. Any law abiding citizen can have it if their state laws allow.... :p

Sorry, there is so much nit picking about this stuff here I had to do some in jest.

AaronCoady
December 14, 2009, 07:42 PM
Many of the ranges around me won't allow NFA items...even suppressors or SBR's. So I don't do business with them.

mtnman
December 14, 2009, 09:19 PM
OK what do I have to do to get one.

XD Gunner
December 14, 2009, 10:45 PM
I don't have any NFA items, but I (my family) does have a Barrett or 2. My girlfriend always says they should be illegal and that no one needs one. I tell her the $400.00 (:eek:) purse she carries should be illegal, and that no one needs one.

At least she drops the argument.

David Hineline
December 15, 2009, 01:25 AM
I would drop the girl

WoofersInc
December 15, 2009, 03:54 AM
its not really a suppressor unless you have subsonic ammunition's(1100 fps) i think
:confused:

Even with standard velocity ammo it is still a suppressor. Just not in the Hollywood way most people think of them.

A rifle shot is in the 160 decibel range. a Suppressor will bring that same shot down 30 or more decibels. There is still the "sonic" crack of the bullet but the firing sound is still reduced by quite a bit.
A suppressor on a AR rifle will make it sound about the same as a 22LR without a suppressor and that is using full velocity ammo.

WoofersInc
December 15, 2009, 04:02 AM
I was talking guns with some neighbors at a block party once. One older gentleman was listening in and became annoyed at me once my suppressors were mentioned. Hestarted with the old 'Those are illegal" "nobody should have them", etc.
He actually started to call the cops on me. I told him to feel free but I had something to show him first. I went and got my Form 4. The look on his face when I showed him the paperwork, including the Sheriff's signature, was priceless.
He then started the whole "need" thing but at that point I was done and walked off. The neighbors I was orgionally talking with enjoyed the whole thing since they go shooting with me and have played with my toys in the past.

Skans
December 15, 2009, 11:23 AM
A suppressor on a AR rifle will make it sound about the same as a 22LR without a suppressor and that is using full velocity ammo.

A good can will get it substantially quieter than .22LR.

Regarding the guy who wanted to call the cops because you said you had had a suppressor. Nice neighbor! I probably wouldn't have bothered pulling out the paperwork. I would have explained the law to him, and then would have told him to go ahead and make an idiot out of himself. First, no cop is going to do squat based on some neighbor's report that he overheard you saying you had a silencer. And, even if they wanted to, they'd have to get a search warrant first. Even assuming that the cop didn't know the law either, you could just show him your paperwork at that time...or just tell his CLEO to look it up in his log if he signed-off for it.

Hkmp5sd
December 15, 2009, 05:43 PM
I would drop the girl

Not if she can afford $400 purses.

RAnb
December 15, 2009, 07:02 PM
its not really a suppressor unless you have subsonic ammunition's(1100 fps) i think

Where do people get this stuff? It is a suppressor because it reduces noise. As the dumb man once said, this stuff is not rocket surgery. :)

Ranb

Catfish25p2000
December 15, 2009, 08:33 PM
I never have any problems because I live in Illinois and Illinois sucks! :mad: Cant have em...

Powderman
December 16, 2009, 01:53 AM
the reason why I can not own a gun is not that they wont approve but because I am not allowed by law to have them in the house

And, why not? Please elaborate.

gyvel
December 16, 2009, 05:06 AM
I get the usual "What do you need a machine gun for?" Gets old after a while.:mad:

Uncle Buck
December 16, 2009, 07:26 AM
Quote:
the reason why I can not own a gun is not that they wont approve but because I am not allowed by law to have them in the house

And, why not? Please elaborate.


I believe he has stated in the past that he lives in a country where they are illegal and most guns must be kept locked at a range, not allowed to have them in a private residence.

Remember, not all members of TFL live in the USA and according to the local media in other countries, we have lax gun laws and are a gun culture.

phagar
December 18, 2009, 01:08 AM
"its not really a suppressor unless you have subsonic ammunition's(1100 fps) i think"

Its around 800 FPS .The .45 ACP is the only factory ammo. that qualifies .

Powderman
December 18, 2009, 05:04 AM
I understand. My apologies--I didn't even think of that.

Regarding subsonic ammunition--the threshold for subsonic ammo is right around 1100 fps. There are other factory offerings--my department uses Federal 147 grain HydraShok, in subsonic loads, for our suppressed MP5's.

David Hineline
December 18, 2009, 10:54 AM
"its not really a suppressor unless you have subsonic ammunition's(1100 fps) i think"

Its around 800 FPS .The .45 ACP is the only factory ammo. that qualifies .


If you had actually every shot one rather than just read about it in some book you would not say that.

p99guy
December 18, 2009, 12:11 PM
Hinline is correct.....first and formost it quiets the muzzle gasses, regardless of the speed of the bullet.

there are 3 noise factors: 1 mechanical noise of the firearm, 2 the muzzle gasses, 3 the bullet flight noise.

of all of these the muzzle gasses are the loudest, and the main thing a suppressor is made to reduce(although some designs encorporate ported barrels to reduce the speed of the bullet, to control bullet noise as well.
the factory MP5SD is one example, but MP5's with "muzzle cans" do nothing for bullet velocity reduction.
All the special ops guys you see with cans on thier M4, are using regular supersonic ball ammo in them, but it protects thier hearing still...and bullet flight noise is a really odd thing in combat...its a vantriloquist act in action lol it never sounds to the target to be comming from the actual direction that it is( often making them shoot in all directions, and run at you thinking they are breaking contact( they are many stories of this from Viet Nam with the old Sionic suppressors used for night ambushes on M16A1's and M14's equipped with starlight scopes.

a suppressor serves the same exact role/job as the muffler on your car

RAnb
December 18, 2009, 07:02 PM
Its around 800 FPS .The .45 ACP is the only factory ammo. that qualifies .

Wrong twice in one sentence. The speed of sound varies from 1051 fps at 0 F to 1160 at 100 F. There is much more factory ammo available than 45 acp that is subsonic. What are they teaching in AZ anyway?

Ranb

richmondtx
December 19, 2009, 03:26 PM
New here...but not new to NFA, I own 8 NFA articles ranging from silencers, machine guns to short barreled semi-auto shotguns all duly registered. I have NEVER been given grief about what I own, heck I build the duty .223 SBRs for my county sheriff's deputies and my 01 FFL is the Sargent with the local PD and Captain of our local SWAT team.

I've even had the pleasure of being pulled over by a pair of LEOs outside my county and had my silenced pistol in a case next to me. I'm a CHL and had my paperwork, they looked, drooled, and wanted my phone number so that they could call me later to ask as to how they could get "cans" for their fun guns.

Funny how that works...As long as you are abiding by the law and not ignorant of it, folks will leave you alone...for the most part, at least they do in Tx.

450NE
February 11, 2010, 04:08 PM
This thread is funny in that it is a reflection of our views here in the U.S. In most countries that allow guns, suppressors are available over the counter.

I don't know any country that allows guns that makes suppressors illegal except us.

I mean really, why do you want all that noise ? It's noisy enough with the suppressors. Sure a .45 is subsonic but have you ever fired a .45 pistol with a suppressor ? Still awfully loud (I have a H&K with a Gemtech Suppressor. It's really noisy.

However, I have a .45 cal rifle that is incredibly quiet with an integrally suppressed barrell.

P90Puma
February 11, 2010, 07:31 PM
Canada allows firearms and silencers are illegal, pretty sure more then just the US and Canada.

PTK
February 11, 2010, 08:04 PM
Sure a .45 is subsonic but have you ever fired a .45 pistol with a suppressor ? Still awfully loud (I have a H&K with a Gemtech Suppressor. It's really noisy.

No offense, but Gemtec .45ACP silencers are horrible compared to modern technology. I've heard .45 USPs with modern stuff that are marginally louder than .22lr auto-pistols with a silencer. :)

450NE
February 11, 2010, 08:13 PM
Yeah, I guess you can say Canada allows guns. Not handguns though, that's for sure. Canada and the US worked hand in hand during the prohibition so it doesn't surprise me that they would have passed similar laws.

But, even Canada's Queen allows it in Britain.

Cheers,

450NE
February 11, 2010, 08:23 PM
There's usually a quote button on theese forums. I can't find this one. In any case this is to PTK.

I can't speak to that but I wasn't really very clear with my post. I am actually referring to all the other sounds that go off when a 45 pistol is fired suppressed. The slide and barrel operating sounds I am speaking of. I guess I was trying to say that there is more to "silence" than the subsonic bullet.

Sorry for not being clear.

jheitertusa
February 11, 2010, 08:31 PM
Its around 800 FPS .The .45 ACP is the only factory ammo. that qualifies .

As RAnb mentioned earlier, the speed of sound is the rate of travel of a sound wave through an elastic medium. In dry air at 20 °C (68 °F), the speed of sound is 1125 ft/s. Or about 768mph.

There are quite a few factory cartridges that qualify as "subsonic."

P90Puma
February 11, 2010, 10:44 PM
Yeah, I guess you can say Canada allows guns. Not handguns though, that's for sure. Canada and the US worked hand in hand during the prohibition so it doesn't surprise me that they would have passed similar laws.

Canada allows handguns. Barrel must be over 105mm (~4.1 inches), but we allow handguns.

vwfool
February 12, 2010, 01:31 AM
A friend of mine and I both got our first NFA items a month or two apart. He got a .22 suppressor, and I got a .223 suppressor. The only grief either of us has experienced was actually from our wives. And no, it wasn't over the price. My budy's wife is very, very innocent minded, but we still love her. She is one of those ones that after watching the news just says how she can't believe they can get away with making up those stories because nobody could do all those mean things to each other in "real" life ( like the war in Iraq). Anyhow his wife acted strange for a week or two until she finally broke down into tears and talked to him. She thought that because he had a suppressor he was going to kill her and both their kids in the middle of the night:rolleyes:. My budy and I got a real good laugh out of it. I figured my wife would think it was funny too, until she told me she thought the exact same thing:eek:. Oh well, a few years and a few more NFA items down the road, we all have a good laugh about it all.

CRUE CAB
February 12, 2010, 09:15 AM
The shop I picked up my little Walther yesterday had a customer in it that commented to me "why do people need THOSE type of guns". Pointing at the collecting of ARs, AKs and tactical shotguns.
I said, 50 bucks says you would not have said that if they all had wood stocks instead of black stocks.

kyso
February 13, 2010, 06:06 AM
I have a question for those here with fairly extensive NFA/ATF/BATFE know-how.

I have a suppressor that was purchased legally in NC. Pretty soon I will be relocating to Minnesota and it looks like suppressors are illegal there. Where does that leave me? Am I going to be mandated to get rid of it?? It has become my favorite toy and I really really don't want to give it back to a C3 dealer :(

Appreciate your help in advance.

v/r

kyso

Wagonman
February 13, 2010, 03:25 PM
The only reason he talked to me for the ten minutes was he liked the way I modified the ar-15 upper, I ended up doing the same setup for him a couple weeks later so he turned into a customer.


Sweet

Hkmp5sd
February 13, 2010, 03:53 PM
I have a suppressor that was purchased legally in NC. Pretty soon I will be relocating to Minnesota and it looks like suppressors are illegal there. Where does that leave me? Am I going to be mandated to get rid of it?? It has become my favorite toy and I really really don't want to give it back to a C3 dealer

You may store the suppressor with family/friend or place it into public storage in NC. If left with someone, it must be left in a container they cannot open (only you have key), you must notify ATF where it is stored and you will need to leave a copy of your paperwork with them.

MJN77
February 15, 2010, 11:01 PM
I can't believe all you people with all that "NFA" stuff. FOR SHAME!!! Makes me jelous!!:) Next month I am going to venture into the NFA relm with a SBR. This will be my first NFA gun but hopefully not the last. I have to say, I don't think people need this kind of stuff either. Thats what makes it all the more fun. How fun is it to buy gas for your car to get to work? How fun is it to buy grocieries? How fun is it to pay the electric bill? All necessities. How fun is it to watch the game on your new flat screen tv? How fun is it to surprise the kids with a trip to Chucky Cheese or some such place and watch them lose their minds? How fun is it to bring home that rifle or pistol or supressor or MG that you've been wanting? All unnecessary.

Marshall

colostomyclown
February 16, 2010, 11:13 AM
his location says Minnesota.



Last I checked, it was perfectly legal to keep a firearm in the house in Minnesota.

condition_ONE
February 16, 2010, 09:56 PM
As RAnb mentioned earlier, the speed of sound is the rate of travel of a sound wave through an elastic medium. In dry air at 20 °C (68 °F), the speed of sound is 1125 ft/s. Or about 768mph.

You're still leaving out what altitude you're measuring at...

ScottRiqui
February 16, 2010, 10:10 PM
The speed of sound in air is not directly affected by altitude. Temperature alone is enough to determine the speed of sound very closely. For a little more accuracy, you can include humidity as well.

The speed of sound in air may decrease with an increase in altitude, but if it does, it's a side effect of the decreased temperature (if any), not the altitude.

The speed of sound at 50 °F in Denver is the same as the speed of sound at 50 °F in Malibu or Pensacola.

RAnb
February 21, 2010, 12:47 PM
Last I checked, it was perfectly legal to keep a firearm in the house in Minnesota.

Most guns. It is a felony to merely possess some guns in MN. Minnesota is not on the short list of gun friendly states in the USA.

Ranb

RAnb
February 21, 2010, 01:09 PM
I don't know any country that allows guns that makes suppressors illegal except us.

At the federal level silencers are not illegal, just strictly controlled. In fact ATF approval to make or buy a silencer is practially a rubber stamp for anyone living in one of the 37 states that allow them. I have never heard of anyone being denied approval as long as the forms were filled out correctly.

Ranb

Willie Lowman
February 21, 2010, 01:29 PM
I've heard .45 USPs with modern stuff that are marginally louder than .22lr auto-pistols with a silencer.

PTK, make and model of that can?

PTK
February 21, 2010, 07:05 PM
TiRant .45acp from AAC. Full size, not military shorty.


I am not exaggerating - we're talking HOLLYWOOD quiet for a .45acp. It makes my experience with the Evo45 seem absurdly loud.


With a wet charge of 5cc’s of water, the sound signature drops to 125 dB.


That's six dB quieter than the Evo45. That's.... really quiet. 41dB reduction with 5cc water.

kaylorinhi
May 4, 2010, 05:38 PM
Just wanted to say...

Thank You,

I will keep reading since I am still in the "saving" process of my NFA items!

Mike