ATTN California Shooters: Internet Ammo Sales Ban

[Alpherjo]

Hi California shooters,

Just received the notice below from Cabela's. I hadn't heard about this before, and thought I'd share. Please do your part and give the Gov. your thoughts at the link below.


To: Cabela's California Customers
From: Cabela's Communications
Subject: California Assembly Bill 962
Date: Sept. 22, 2009

We are writing to inform you of pending legislation that will restrict purchases of handgun ammunition in California and will terminate our ability to service your needs for certain products.

On Friday, Sept. 11, the California Assembly passed Assembly Bill 962, by a 44-31 vote.

Among other regulations, AB 962 would:


• Ban all mail-order and Internet sales of handgun ammunition.
• Prohibit the retail sale, the offer for sale or the display of handgun ammunition in a
manner that allows ammunition to be accessible to a purchaser without assistance of a
vendor or employee.
• Require that the delivery or transfer of ownership of handgun ammunition occur in a
face-to-face transaction, with the deliverer or transferor being provided bona fide
evidence of identity of the purchaser or other transferee.


That evidence of identity, which must be legibly recorded at the time of delivery, includes:


• The right thumbprint of the purchaser or transferee.
• The date of the sale or other transaction.
• The purchaser's or transferee's driver's license or other identification number and the
state in which it was issued.
• The brand, type and amount of ammunition sold or otherwise transferred.
• The purchaser's or transferee's signature.
• The name of the salesperson who processed the sale or other transaction.
• The purchaser's or transferee's full residential address and telephone number.
• The purchaser's or transferee's date of birth.


The bill is on the desk of Gov. Arnold Schwarzenegger, where it awaits his consideration. He will have until Oct. 11 to sign or veto the bill. If he does not veto the bill, it will become law.

If you wish to comment on AB 962, you may contact Gov. Schwarzenegger by phone at (916) 445-2841, or via fax at (916) 558-3160. To e-mail Gov. Schwarzenegger, visit
http://gov.ca.gov/interact

We encourage all Cabela's customers who participate in the shooting sports to contact Gov. Schwarzenegger to voice their opposition to this initiative, which will limit your opportunities to shop with Cabela's, and will restrict the sale of handgun ammunition everywhere in California.

[Dustin0]

Holy C$%@ Lets hope this doesnt get passed.

[greghalliday]

Holy Smokes.

I have no idea what these people are doing. Just thinking about the state of California grieves my soul.

See, I live in Utah. And for a while there I was a supporter of a giant "Californians Go Home" sign at the border. The more things like this happen I want to put of a sign saying: "Why Are You Still There! Come All Ye Who Are Heavy Laden By Idiots. (just leave your illegals at home.)"

[THEZACHARIAS]

Looks like Californias rotten economy and anti-gun tendencies have joined hands on this one. They want to control the ammo supply (so very california of them :barf: ) but they also realize that they can tax every ammo sale within their borders.

They wrote this law to force all gun owners to buy from CA stores, and therefore be forced to pay CA sales tax.

[LesterPTelestrat]

I'd be shopping for a new residency somewhere, ANYWHERE but California! Oh or Wisconsin and Illinois too!

[LanceOregon]

Holy C$%@ Lets hope this doesnt get passed.

Dude:

Didn't you read? Both state houses passed it already by healthy margins, although not by enough to override a veto.

It only awaits Schwarzenegger's signature. It is solely in his hands now. He alone will now decide if it becomes law.

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[saands]

This one is NOT about revenue ... it is purely a control play. They know that any firearm ban would get tossed out when it got to court, but this will make it so painful to sell ammo, that people just won't do it ... also, they probably know that many FFL's NEED ammo sales to stay afloat, and this will get rid of some of those remaining FFLs as well. It's nothing more than a backdoor ban (the author has admitted as much), don't be fooled into thinking it is anything more. I just can't believe that it passed.

Sad ... very sad, indeed.

Saands

[Nikop23]

looks like I will be driving to nevada

[lawboy]

Nukop23, you are right. The Reno gun shows will make that much more money and the vendors there will be loving life!

[Fremmer]

Ah, the wonder of liberal democrats.

And oh yeah, don't forget that not all liberals are anti-gun. :rolleyes: Well, except for all of the liberals in Congress. And in the State Legislatures. And the liberals who vote for 'em.

[EAJ702]

This type of simplistic labeling simply creates more division and is a disservice to both liberals and conservatives. If you don’t know any liberals that own firearms or conservatives that are anti-firearm perhaps you need to get out more. Not everyone follows the party line; thank goodness some folks can still think for themselves.

[JWT]

The legislators are slowly working their way up to a complete ban in the state, inch by inch. If they can't ban guns they'll ban ammo. If they can't ban ammo they'll make it as difficult as possible to purchase and add every imaginable barrier to getting it.

Certainly are creative, those folks running Kalifornia... at least when it comes to guns and shooting....

[schmeky]

Holy Moly . . . . Love California weather (lived in southern Cal at one time) . . . . I HATE their liberal views.

I love LOUISIANA more and more, a very PRO-GUN state.

[ATW525]

Banning Internet sales is bad enough, but am I reading this right: under the proposed law you need to give your thumb print to buy ammo??

[Mello2u]

Should this law pass, it would be another incentive for people who can to leave Kalifornia.
Pollster Pat Goodall says 3,000 people leave California every week: mostly because of taxes and fees.

[LanceOregon]

This one is NOT about revenue ... it is purely a control play.

You are 100% correct on that point.

California already has a huge and expensive state Bureau of Firearms that costs the taxpayers a huge amount of money to operate. Can you imagine what additional costs that this huge bureaucracy will incur by now attempting to track all ammunition sales in the state??

There is a reason why the state of California is currently bankrupt, and unable to pay its own bills, and has had to issue IOU's this year.

With record unemployment now rampant in the state, I think that many folks in California are downright disgusted with how their state is being run in general.

It is not just on the issue of gun control where California has gone to the dogs.


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[JerseyDrez]

I thought NJ was bad...

[jjyergler]

I don't live in Kalifornia, I will never live in Kalifornia, I will never visit Kalifornia. For all those who drink OJ, remember, Florida is very pro-gun. Buy Florida citrus and Orange Juice. If you want to vacation, remember, we have sand, Disney, warmer ocean water, and you can bring your guns. :D

Remember, this is the kind of thing that the U.S. congress might try to pass. This is exactly why people have been buying ammo. Get active now, after health care reform, who knows where they might go next.

[Walter]

(so very california of them :barf: )
"Line Of The Week"!:D:D:D:D:D Thanks, THEZACHARIAS.

Walter

[Russ5924]

Doesn't say anything about reloading components or Rifle ammo. I hope this isn't catching and stay in California. Knowing the Governors stand on guns he will sign it:barf:

[Nanuk]

The weather sucks in North Dakota (unless you are a polar bear) but the gov leaves you alone.

[Tom2]

Well I guess if this passes, people will look around in other states, get nervous, bam, ammo hoarding phase 2. Someone will say that your state or the feds are considering it and clean out the shelves again just when stuff is starting to accumulate there again. Maybe swords and bows will pick up sales in Ca. unless those are illegal there too. This will really be a disincentive to crime, NOT. Like ammo restrictions in Mexico? Maybe those people that they find dead down there all over the place just developed a condition called swiss cheese syndrome? Evil government run amuk, where will they stop, as long as they are testing the envelope of what they can get away with.

[domininance]

in our great socialist state of california you already need to provide a thumbprint, license, address, etc. the phone number thing is new however. few stores still have the ammunition accessable directly by customers here, anyway. really the biggest implication of this bill is no online sales.

being a citizen of Cali, what pisses me off is the fact that our stupid government officials do everything possible to drive out business of our state. it is #@$ing hard enough to run a successful business in this tax layden state, now they are going to make it that much more difficult for the already heavily discriminated segement of gun store owners. besides cost concious consumers, many dealers also rely heavily on online purchases, both to buy and sell.

CA is freaking broke, its amazing that they have figured out yet another way to send more business out of state, as Nikop23 said:

looks like I will be driving to nevada

now even more money that should be spent instate and stimulating our own local economy is going to go somewhere else.

PLEASE EVERYONE LOOK AT MY STATE AS AN EXAMPLE. I'M YOUNG, I PROMISE YOU I HAVEN'T BEEN VOTING LONG ENOUGH TO BE RESPONSIBLE FOR THE IDIOTS THAT ARE IN OFFICE (and i didn't vote for most of them anyway). WHEN THE RIGHT IDIOTS WIN OFFICE, LOOK WHAT CAN HAPPEN. AND FYI, THE SPEAKER OF THE HOUSE IS FROM HERE... FRISCO NO LESS... THAT KEEPS ME UP AT NIGHT AS IT SHOULD ALL OF YOU.

still strapping in the face of discrimination,
Domininance
Los Angeles, CA

[jjyergler]

Tom2, the feds are considering similar legislation, or at least many higher up Dumbocrats have stated their intention to support such legislation. Whether it happens or not, we'll see. I don't think it will, but you never know. Remember, socialists are like the scorpion that stung the frog. It's in their nature. If they look like they're going to loose in 2010, who knows what they might try to pass.

Domininance, why don't you move. Just understand that when the feds bail out Kalifornication, using our tax money to pay your state's bills, the rest of us won't care who you voted for or how old you are; all anyone will see is your Kali license plate and DL. As far as I'm concerned on that day, anyone in Kali that doesn't leave or rise up is part of the problem. I live in Florida and own land in Arkansas and Texas. None of those states, while they have their problems, especially Florida, are in the mess that Kali is.

I know that most of the people that I know in those states won't pay your state's bills. For all of you who live in the Gomorrah, I mean Golden State, understand that when we pay your debts, all the townhall type anger will focus on you as residents of Kali. I can't imagine that you'll find much welcome or good feelings from the residents of Montana, Texas, Utah, or other states when our hard earned money is keeping your illegal alien infested hospitals and schools open.

Domininance, don't take this personally, I kind of feel sorry for you and those like you. I just hope that the politicians understand the immense well of anger that is bubbling up in flyover country. Townhalls about health care reform are the pressure release now, I don't know what comes next.

[NWPilgrim]

I predict a big boom in reloading shops. Sells components, presses and tools, and offers reloading classes.

The reloading industry is about to get twice as big, overnight. I also predict the Arnold will ignore the bill and let it become law without his explicit signature. Otherwise his Kennedy wife will whip his butt. Talk about a girlie man!

[Al Norris]

:(

It seems that this "old news" is new to many of you. sigh. Regardless, I was thinking of either merging this thread with the existing thread (http://thefiringline.com/forums/showthread.php?t=377575) or letting it run on its own.

However, after reading all the comments, I must point out the following from the rules of this particular section of TFL:
The indiscriminate use of invectives such as Demon-crat or Repugnican, or otherwise twisting personal or group names, necessarily embodies negative emotional content. Such content leads to emotional arguments wherein rational, logical thinking goes out the window. This is what our opposition does. We must take the High Road, at all times. Therefore, If you cannot use the proper terms/labels for what you are discussing, then don't bother posting at all.
And I should add, skirting of the bad-word filter.

Shame that one or two members have to mess-up everyone's day.

Closed for being a duplicate. PM's in route.