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MGRacer
September 15, 2009, 10:22 PM
.22LR with a SRT Odessa can.

http://i16.photobucket.com/albums/b25/Racer351/Zip1.jpg

http://i16.photobucket.com/albums/b25/Racer351/Zip3.jpg

Bill DeShivs
September 15, 2009, 11:46 PM
But, WHY?

Zilmo
September 15, 2009, 11:53 PM
Sigh.... They just don't make zipguns like they used to.

Bigjim3
September 15, 2009, 11:59 PM
Dont think I would be showing everyone this.. Some things best unshown,or told. But either way neat..:D:D:D

hogdogs
September 16, 2009, 12:10 AM
Ain't there a permit/stamp for just such a novelty/demonstration firearm?
Otherwise... Likely too late to be un noticed at this point. I bet there are agents tasked with checking this forum daily if not several times per day. Being one of the most active gun forums and one of a few that have active NFA sections.
Brent

MGRacer
September 16, 2009, 12:18 AM
This is an NFA item as is the suppressor (thus I posted in the NFA section). The gun is an AOW ($5 transfer tax) while the can is $200 transfer tax. Fully legit -- made by an SOT (name is engraved on receiver so probably not trying to "hide")-- same category as a pen gun.

teeroux
September 16, 2009, 12:19 AM
Judging by the manufacturers rollmarking on the brass nipple :eek: I am pretty sure it also has a serial and stamp.

hogdogs
September 16, 2009, 12:56 AM
MGR, Awesome than! I would love to get into NFA items but I understand you are allowing the ATF permission to request to see your arms anytime they feel a need and possibly so far as consent to search but I am not clear on this as many of ya'll are.
Cool gun setup! I would love to be able to hunt 'dillars with that!
Brent

Superhouse 15
September 16, 2009, 06:06 AM
And if nothing ese, a demonstration on why gun control will never work.

ZeSpectre
September 16, 2009, 08:30 AM
It's funny because (as a gunny) I was reading all of this and following right along but then I paused and thought about newbies to the gun world so I thought a brief clarification might be in order.

TO ANYONE THINKING ABOUT BUILDING THEIR OWN VERSION OF THIS

1) It is an "AOW" (also known as "any other weapon"). This is a legal designation and requires a bit of extra money/licensing in order to be done legally. Failure to do so is a Felony.

2) The "Silencer" (aka "muffler" aka "can") turns it into an NFA regulated item. Another legal term and something that also has additional licensing requirements and a "tax stamp".

So in summary, this is the sort of thing that can be done legally by anyone willing to spend the time, pay the money, and do the paperwork. Failure to do so would be a Felony so do it right folks.


And if nothing ese, a demonstration on why gun control will never work.
Yeah, no kidding.

JWT
September 16, 2009, 09:49 AM
As Bill DeShivs said. WHY???

hoytinak
September 16, 2009, 09:51 AM
Because he can....or better yet....Why not?

Some people just like to tinker.

raimius
September 16, 2009, 03:23 PM
Ok, I'm curious.
Is there a trigger mechanism, or is the bolt used to fire it?
(no pun intended)

Legion2600
September 16, 2009, 04:56 PM
Love it ! Any schematics MGracer?

Legion2600
September 16, 2009, 05:03 PM
Ok, I'm curious.
Is there a trigger mechanism, or is the bolt used to fire it?
(no pun intended)


See the recessed area on the main body? The screw is pulled back under tension into that area, then released by a finger to strike the primer.

MGRacer
September 16, 2009, 07:36 PM
From JWT: As Bill DeShivs said. WHY???

From Superhouse 15: And if nothing else, a demonstration on why gun control will never work.Although this one is a legally registered AOW.

And because it is very unique. It is also one of the few guns that are about as dangerous to the user as the target so be careful.

SigP6Carry
September 16, 2009, 08:59 PM
To the OP: that thing's awesome. It's exactly the type of thing that Richard Dean Anderson or Sean Connery would use in a pinch, love it! I'm glad that it's all checked out legally and you can show us your little toy.

koolminx
September 16, 2009, 09:05 PM
Wow, so AOW means that if you pay your taxes and get your License, you can practically make any damn weapon you like... Wow :eek: the Govt. sure likes our money :D

Secondly: See the recessed area on the main body? The screw is pulled back under tension into that area, then released by a finger to strike the primer.

Essentially, if this piece of pipe had a magazine it would be a semi auto....

SDC
September 16, 2009, 09:47 PM
Actually, it would be FULL-auto, because you'd have no way to stop the burst, unless you were willing to jam your hand in the way of the bolt handle. At one time, there were plans available for a 9mm "sputter gun" that worked this way, using STEN gun parts, but it would also dump the entire magazine, unless you wanted to load dummy rounds to control the length of a burst.

Bill DeShivs
September 17, 2009, 12:08 AM
I just can't see a 200 + dollar zip gun, but that's just me.

PTK
September 17, 2009, 01:11 PM
Some people just like conversation pieces that WON'T end them in jail. Sort of like why I have a 40mm grenade launcher. :D

James K
September 17, 2009, 04:30 PM
Just FWIW, here is a dirty little secret. If you own NFA firearms that are registered and legal under federal and state/local law, BATFE .... doesn't give a damn! They don't come to your home ten times a day (or even once in 35 years in my case), they don't follow you around, they don't trail you to the firing range. If you are obeying the law, they just don't care.

As for NSA or anyone else secretly monitoring this site, why do they need to do it secretly or use antennas at "Ft. Mead" or anywhere else. They can just sign on and they are welcome to participate. Maybe BATFE tech branch folks could answer some of the questions people raise; at least they might make sense, which is more than some of our posters do (love 'em anyway!).

No, I don't trust the gum-mint much, but why is it surprising that the White House might keep info posted on its own web sites and e-mails addressed to it? They probably keep copies of letters sent to the WH also. What would the writers expect? If you send me a letter I am free to do what I want with it; the government has the same right.

Jim

rbb50
September 17, 2009, 04:58 PM
What is funny is anyone could make a zip gun out of wood with a rubber band and it would be very deadly

Some cannons and rocket launchers in ancient china were made with bamboo barrels and were known for annihilating their enemies

An arrow shot from a bow can be rigged to have high explosives on it which would be ten time deadlier than any gun on the market

A small tank of gasoline rigged with a time delay fuse stuffed into the side of a cigarette would be brutal I would think

Making a hand grenade is so easy it is pitiful

So who was talking about gun control without ever thinking some people are educated enough to know they do not even need a manufactured gun to do some real damage?

Sure was not me and I would never do any of those things but then I am smart enough to know I’m not the only educated person in the world unlike a lot of politicians in Washington that seem to think that about themselves.

MGRacer
September 17, 2009, 08:16 PM
Bill DeShivs said:
I just can't see a 200 + dollar zip gun, but that's just me.

The Transfer tax on AOW is only $5. If you build it, it is $200 transfer tax however. The parts for my SOT cost <$20. Of course it took him a little time to create it.

rbb50
September 17, 2009, 08:26 PM
Well my browning buck mark cost $200 and I guarantee it will shoot a much better group any day of the week than any zip gun ever made.

So I sure do not understand why someone would pay $200 for a piece of pipe with a bolt sticking out of it LOL

hogdogs
September 17, 2009, 08:48 PM
An arrow shot from a bow can be rigged to have high explosives on it which would be ten time deadlier than any gun on the market
Too much "Dukes of Hazard"?:D
Brent

Willie Lowman
September 17, 2009, 09:18 PM
Nice suppressed zip gun.

I have a buddy that collects pen guns and flashlight guns and such. Not my style but interesting conversation pieces none the less.

...On a side note there are a few posts in this thread that make me think some of our fellow TFL members have been breathing the canned air. Antenna arrays? High explosive arrows? The stuff in that can is for blowing dust out of your key board, guys. Stop inhaling it.

rbb50
September 18, 2009, 12:54 AM
Ok I guess I may be the only one here that has seen an M80 tied onto an arrow and shot at a target

No telling what it would do if it were high explosives but I sure got an ideal when we were kids using those M80s

Let me also mention anyone trying that could make the Darwin Awards very fast if they tried it with dynamite

When they say kids will be kids you should watch those kids very close or you might find out they are no longer kids anymore when your at their funeral

foggy
September 18, 2009, 01:16 AM
Neat piece! Does the bolt recoil rearward when you fire it?

RAnb
September 18, 2009, 11:50 PM
An arrow shot from a bow can be rigged to have high explosives on it which would be ten time deadlier than any gun on the market

Right. How far will this explosive laden arrow fly? Will it hit the broad side of a barn from more than 25 yards away? Make a video for us. :)

Ranb

DrJerry
September 19, 2009, 12:05 AM
>Right. How far will this explosive laden arrow fly? Will it hit the broad side of a barn from more than 25 yards away?
I doubt it would hit the broad side of a barn if someone was locked inside it. :D

rbb50
September 19, 2009, 02:58 AM
No one here has ever shot a 80# compound bow?

WOW that's amazing

I'm not sure how far they fly but far enough where you will never find that arrow again if you shoot it up and out into a field as it does disappear from your sight except when it has a smoking fuse on it and of course nothing is left of the arrow anyway after that

It seemed like it went about 100 yards or more before it exploded

That’s just with an 80# compound bow

I can not even imagine what a 200# crossbow would do

hogdogs
September 19, 2009, 12:08 PM
80 pound bow is a bugger to draw... I think 74 is a ton!:D
since we are supposed to be grown folks or at least kids acting responsible as grown folks, I think this thread veer is not only silly but rather dangerous...

Back to the homer depot .22... Does the bolt recoil? how hard is it to extract the shell...
Brent

rbb50
September 19, 2009, 02:00 PM
My point being that anything home made is very dangerous and you are looking at making the Darwin Awards by doing stuff like that

Other point being many parents have no clue what their kids get into when they have their backs turned.

Usually you hear about it in the news stories sometimes with the parents always saying, "He was such a sweet boy and we just cannot believe he would do such a thing as that"

Sometimes I look back and do consider myself lucky I even lived through my childhood or did not lose one of my three brothers also in someway such as that.

Take a look at your own kids real close and spy on them if you have to.

You might find they need more help than you imagined and are not such sweet kids after all as you originally thought :eek:

KLRANGL
September 19, 2009, 05:29 PM
Something tells me that chamber is not SAAMI rated ;)

Any chance of a video of it firing?
My guess is that you unscrew the end forward of the bolt (I guess you'd call it the barrel), load a round, and it is held in place when you re-thread the bolt back on. Therefore I postulate that the bolt does not indeed recoil...

MGRacer
September 20, 2009, 02:27 AM
The bolt does recoil some and the round is usually partially out of the chamber when the barrel is unscrewed to remove the case. Thus, it is very easy to remove the case.

Phil Ca
September 20, 2009, 07:02 PM
(Approx 40 years and about two weeks ago)The day I got ready to leave our forward base in Vietnam the First SGt. asked me if I would interested in riding in the convoy headed to Di An where our 1st ID HQ was located. I told him I would prefer hitching a ride on a Huey and find my on way to HQ. He took my personal pocket S&W revolver out of th field safe wher it had been for several months and I showed him my export permit required for importation back to conus. The company mail clerk drove me to th air strip on the edge of Phouc Vinh and I started looking for a ride.

Two other soldiers had the same idea about catching a chopper ride. Soon we found a ride to Binh Hua AFB. It was surreal looking down on the defoliated jungle and looking at the shell holes from our arty rounds and the bomb craters from B-52's. We made the trip w/o incident and upon landing we made our way to a bus stop on base. A short time passed and a US civilian worker in an air force truck asked where we were going. He told us to pile our duffle bags and packs in back and two rode in front and one in th rear.

He dropped us off at the exit leading to Di An and we set up a three man defensive perimiter ith our loaded M14's at the ready. In about 15 minutes a jeep bearing a driver and a sceond lieutnant arrived. THe officer said his vehicle was an advance vehicle for th convoy bhind him a couple of clicks. He invitd one of us to ride in the jeep and I loaded my gear and sat in back with my rifle across my knees. As we proceded the Lt. pulled out a small silver cylinder that I recognized as a flare gun. It had been convrted to a zip gun in, get this, .25 ACP! He held it with the barrel pointed out th right side of th jeep. Ihad a loaded M14 and my .38 Special in the back. The Lt. bragged about his "zip gun" and as I had had enough of 2nd Lt's for the past year I said nothing. We made the short distance to Di An w/o the Lt. having to unleash his awsome "firepower".:cool: