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Deerhunter264
September 12, 2009, 10:12 PM
I am looking in buying a over and under shotgun but i do not want to buy an overpriced one but in a a good price range like between $1,000 to $2,500. I want a good one that will last and has good ratings. I have been looking at the browning cynergy and like it anyother good oness out ther and would you suggest the cynergy.

RNB65
September 12, 2009, 10:19 PM
Anything in the Browning Citori family. I've got a Browning 425 which I've put at least 25,000 rounds through on the sporting clays range and it locks up as tight as it did when it was new. Never had a single problem with it.

LHB1
September 12, 2009, 10:29 PM
Most owners are going to recommend whatever they have. True to form, I recommend Browning Citori O/U's. Owned a pair (12 and 20 ga) of field grade Citori O/U's for approx 15-20 years. Although they were in excellent condition both in appearance and function, I sold them to buy a pair of high grade Citori's in 1988: Grade III 12 ga and Grade VI 20 ga. These two guns still look, handle, and shoot like new. I am highly pleased with them.

LHB1
September 12, 2009, 10:32 PM
Deleted. Machine malfunction led to double posting.

oneounceload
September 12, 2009, 10:42 PM
I recommend you go to a shotgun club and rent/borrow as many different types as you can to find which models fit you the best. What fits me may or may not fit you. Typically, if a Beretta fits, the Browning won't - nothing bad, just different. In your price range, especially if you include used, would be Beretta 68x series, Brownings, and SKB.

Are you wanting this for primarily hunting or targets? Target guns tend to be heavier and a little more robustly built to handle the thousands and thousands of targets shot annually, while most hunting guns are a little lighter for ease of carrying all day long.

Weight becomes a factor when considering recoil - heavy gun plus light loads equals light recoil. You also need to consider what length barrels will work for you. Personally, I prefer 30 or 32 inch barrels on target guns. Barrel length is a major factor for swinging the gun - the longer they are the smoother the swing tends to be.

The only true way to test for fit, recoil and smooth swinging is to try them

got_the_itch
September 12, 2009, 11:14 PM
I agree with oneounceload in asking what your intentions are for this weapon? Along with the reasons he listed, another huge factor is cost. Most field grade O/U are significantly cheaper versus a "competition grade" O/U.

Also, your price range is pretty broad there. So it gives you plenty of flexibility. I've been shooting trap and skeet for many years. And I've used auto's and pumps until this year. I went bargain shopper and bought a Stoeger Comp. for my first O/U. I know.... I know... O/U imperialist's its/their junk. My dad is one of you guys. hehe But I've always wanted an O/U so I went with it after reading what seems to be satisfied customers of them. I however don't expect to be shooting it in 5 years either. But thus far a couple thousand rounds later, everything works fine. Or has gotten better with the so called break in time stiffness wise.

However, as I said you have a pretty good allowance goin on there. And I would not recommend a Stoeger to you. Although, I do swear by the gun and its cost. My next O/U will be a Browning Citori, the model will depend upon what type of deal I'm able to find. I'm also going to go the "used" route. But since I'm more into the sporting aspect of firearms, it will most certainly be a "competition grade".

The average price range for a good condition Citori around me has been the $1200 range. So thats where I stand, just from a personal perspective.

The Beretta's are nice, and have nothing bad to say about them. My dad and uncle are both just partial to the Brownings, which has steered me in that direction just from shooting several rounds with their's.

The SKB's both my dad and uncle (again) both have owned them, and had firing pin issues with each one of them. They both feel they are good O/U, but claim they won't own one again after that. This was a few years ago, and most often than not, the manufacturer will let the consumer work out the glitches and correct it from there on post issues.

I wish you deaf ears upon the dreaded "lost" we hate with a passion!

PetahW
September 13, 2009, 09:15 AM
Look at the new Stevens 512 series - VERY decent guns, retailing around $650, buy buyable for about $100 less.

http://www.savagearms.com/st_shotgun.htm



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Deerhunter264
September 13, 2009, 12:25 PM
well i usually shoot trap every couple of weekneds, but i will probably do alot of hunting with it also. i will usually hunt peasants, and ducks so those would be the 2 things ill hunt with it. I also know that i have to find out the gun will fit me, but im just looking for some good guns so i know what to pick up while at the store or gun club.

LHB1
September 13, 2009, 12:52 PM
Quote: "i will usually hunt peasants..."

Better not; they will put you in prison for that. :) Sorry, I just couldn't resist.

If the stock doesn't fit, you can do something about that. Add a recoil pad and lengthen/shorten stock as needed. Plus you can remove some wood from comb (as I did on both my Citori's) or add a leather pad to raise comb if necessary. Of course, I then had to completely refinish the stocks after lowering the combs. But now both my shotguns fit me perfectly. Good luck with whichever O/U you choose.

Couzin
September 13, 2009, 04:36 PM
Ditto on the Browning Citori. I think the jury may be still out on the lockup system of the Cynergy (I am sure there is a Cynergy owner that will come forth to dispute this...). Thousands of rounds out of each of my Browning Citori's and still solid.

RJM
September 13, 2009, 04:59 PM
On my short list is a Browning Citori Lightning in 3" 20 guage 28" tubes. For ducks, this one is about perfect for me, fits me like a glove.

SmokeyVol
September 13, 2009, 09:41 PM
Ditto on the Browning Citori. I have a Citori GTS Grade I.

rjrivero
September 13, 2009, 09:59 PM
I still have a 20ga Ruger Red label I got when I was in college. That was some 15 years ago.

impalacustom
September 14, 2009, 01:49 AM
Browning Superposed if you can find one in good shape as they no longer make them.

If your in the market for a new only gun, I would go with the Citori.

BigJimP
September 14, 2009, 11:41 AM
To me the most versatile shotgun - is the one with the most adjustability to make it fit properly. What I've seen is a parallel comb - with an adjustable comb - is the key / so you can move the point of impact up and down or left and right for cast on the comb.

Beretta has very few parallel comb guns.

Browning has a few - and the most versatile is the Citori XS Skeet, or the Citori XS Special - with the adj comb. I like a gun hunting birds or for sporting clays around 8 1/2 lbs and in an O/U with 30" barrels.

Browning Cynergy lineup - has the sporting - but the comb does not move left or right only up and down / but nothing wrong with it.

http://www.browning.com/products/catalog/firearms/detail.asp?value=008B&cat_id=013&type_id=066

http://www.browning.com/products/catalog/firearms/detail.asp?value=008B&cat_id=013&type_id=128

http://www.browning.com/products/catalog/firearms/detail.asp?value=014B&cat_id=013&type_id=296

The street price in my area is usually about $ 300 under mfg's list price / and you might find some of the XS Skeet models used. Of the 3 guns - the XS Skeet model is by far the most popular / the one I see the most on sporting clays ranges, etc.

Deerhunter264
September 15, 2009, 09:45 PM
sorry for the grammer and spellling mistakes went i wrote the one comment i was rushing because i had to go somewhere. I have noticed that most people have said the browning citori is this becaasue it is an older gun and because the cynergy just came out?

RNB65
September 15, 2009, 09:56 PM
Browning Superposed if you can find one in good shape as they no longer make them.

Why makes you think that Browning no longer makes the Superposed? Sure they do.

http://www.browning.com/products/catalog/firearms/custom/index.asp

impalacustom
September 15, 2009, 11:14 PM
RNB, they don't make them in his price range, not sure if you have ever purchased anything from their custom shop but let me say that you will never get a custom shop Browning for $2500, let alone a Superposed.

It's kind of like saying that Winchester still makes lever guns, well they do if your want a custom one.

Deerhunter, the Citori is just a beautiful gun that you can have many variations on and for the money it's in my opinion the best O/U.

AndyKUSAF
June 1, 2012, 11:47 PM
I am very fortunate to own a few citoris, one 686 betetta and a K-80 as im a gun collector and avid heavy skeet shooter. I attest the Browning line is outstanding when i shot skeet for the USAF i shot to the point that the gun opened up after firing the first shot, Browning told me it had over 200,000 rounds through it. The beretta is lighter and very solid and prefer to use it for hunting. The K-80 is a work of art and is in a class by itself a very heavy gun with its sole purpose to break targets and that it does well. SKBs have leaf springs and in heavy use have a reputation of breaking but easy to fix, Rugers are cruly made as they are casted but good guns for just about anything. Stick with any brand above and you wont go wrong the main thing is fit with a shotgun as one that dont fit can cost $10,000 and you will do better with a $1500 shotgun.

zippy13
June 2, 2012, 12:08 AM
If you're going to spent up to $2500 on an O/U, perhaps you can give us an idea of its intended use.

TheKlawMan
June 2, 2012, 01:37 AM
Zippy, The OP said:

well i usually shoot trap every couple of weekneds, but i will probably do alot of hunting with it also. i will usually hunt peasants (meaning pheasants not peasants), and ducks so those would be the 2 things ill hunt with it.

zippy13
June 2, 2012, 01:58 AM
Oops... Thanks for the heads-up, TKM, I overlooked the OP's second posting.

oneounceload
June 2, 2012, 10:01 AM
Holy necrothread, Batman!..........:D

i shot to the point that the gun opened up after firing the first shot, Browning told me it had over 200,000 rounds through it

My Browning did that at about 90,000 - new springs brought it right back to new condition

Grant D
June 2, 2012, 11:25 AM
Ditto on the Browning Citori's.

zippy13
June 2, 2012, 01:19 PM
the gun opened up after firing the first shot
Typically, the lock block is retracted by the action of the thumb lever by means of a cam. The lock block is returned forward by a spring when the action is closed. If the spring weakens to the point where it fails to function during recoil, the action can unlock. It can happen with the best of guns, and spring replacements are common. A softer acting thumb lever may be a warning.

Creek Henry
June 3, 2012, 11:25 AM
I have a Stevens 512. It's okay but nothing special. I would not have bought it though... the story is that I did buy a new 612 SxS from gunbroker for $400 (and no shipping). I waited a year to find such a deal! Well, that gun shot okay but the stock was actually a little short for me so I had to add a recoil pad which was a little annoying.

Then, it started doubling - so I had a full auto SxS. I shipped it back to Savage and they sent me back a new 512 (silver receiver and all, it really was an upgrade). The 612 is discontinued, could not be fixed (aluminum receiver had issues it seems), etc, so they sent me a 512.

I am having to put on a rib riser on it as the gun shoots low and that annoys me. It fits great though, but I just put a 1/4" x 14" x [1/4" tappering down to 1/16"] square dowl on the rib just in front of the middle bead. When sighting along that, it shoots perfectly.

The ONE thing I hate about it is that it doesn't stay open all of the way. The extractors are still stiff or something so the action has a tendency to sort of close up a bit making getting to the under barrel a chore. If it didn't do that, the gun would be fine.

I am afraid to ship it back to Savage... I don't know what I'd get back. I wanted to have a little, lively 20ga SxS but have a slightly heavier O/U now. So odd.

The 512 is balanced a lot better than the 612, btw.

a7mmnut
June 3, 2012, 11:31 AM
Without a doubt= CZ

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340 Weatherby
June 3, 2012, 02:20 PM
I'd sell 300 Weatherby Mag before I'd sell my two Citori's.
But I could get by with a Beretta, If I had to.
It has always amazed me how few used Citori's you see at gun shops. They never make it to the shelf.

Joe Chicago
June 12, 2012, 08:52 PM
I have a Ruger Red Label, and while it fits me and shoots well I cannot recommend it because of some quality issues. If I were to buy an O/U today, I would look at Caesar Guerini Woodlander or a Franchi Instinct. The Woodlander is above your budget, but I have seen the Instinct for around $1,100.

rtpzwms
June 12, 2012, 09:11 PM
+1 for the Citori, I have the 525 field and it's a keeper.

.300 Weatherby Mag
June 12, 2012, 10:11 PM
I'd sell 300 Weatherby Mag before I'd sell my two Citori's.
But I could get by with a Beretta, If I had to.
It has always amazed me how few used Citori's you see at gun shops. They never make it to the shelf.

:rolleyes:

Browning Citori or Beretta 686... Whichever one feels the best...

timd
June 24, 2012, 07:11 PM
If you live in a state with Academy Sporting Goods, you will be remiss if you don't look at the Yildiz O/U. Turkish made, durable, beautiful walnut, and five chokes. Look at Shotgunworld.com in the I Love...section. Briley makes great chokes for them, and they also do the warranty work for Yildiz.

Creek Henry
June 24, 2012, 08:18 PM
Dang, the Yildiz look a LOT like the Stevens 512

Brian Pfleuger
June 24, 2012, 08:45 PM
Gentlemen, the OP was nearly 3 years ago. I presume the decision has been made.

zippy13
June 24, 2012, 09:10 PM
Gentlemen, the OP was nearly 3 years ago. I presume the decision has been made.
and, the market has changed some.