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gunner4391
September 9, 2009, 07:32 PM
What would yall say is the best deer round out there? And I mean all deer from Mule to whitetail. I'm thinking of getting rid of the remy and switchy it up, but I truly only want a caliber for deer.

Waterengineer
September 9, 2009, 07:36 PM
This will be interesting to watch but I'll start by saying .257 Roberts.

oneounceload
September 9, 2009, 07:45 PM
What's a remy? :barf:

Is that supposed to be Remington? And if it is, WHAT Remington would that be? Rifle - bolt, semi or pump...., Shotgun......

For open Western range, Southern beanfields and similar, a 30-06/270/7mag will do just fine, as will a 25-06. They'll also work for folks who sit in tree stands, but tend to be overkill unless you're near the previously mentioned beanfield

jgcoastie
September 9, 2009, 07:51 PM
.308, .30/06, .270, .280, .243, 7mm-08, .25-06 just to name a few.

fisherman66
September 9, 2009, 07:59 PM
This will be interesting to watch but I'll start by saying .257 Roberts.


Close, but it's parent cartridge...the 7x57...is the best.:p

Jack O'Conner
September 9, 2009, 07:59 PM
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Due to many work assignments 1976 - present, I've hunted deer all across USA. This older Remington carbine has been a keeper for me. It's a .308 and I love it! But at typical woods distances, .308 can be a meat shredder. FEDERAL Lite features a 170 grain flat nose to 30-30 velocity and is a better ammo choice for fairly close shots. For long shots go with 150 grain spitzer bullets. 180 grain or hand loaded 200 grain is TOPS for elk and moose!

The 7mm-08 shoots a tad flatter with slightly less recoil.

6.5mm X 55 Swede is sort of like the more modern 260 Remington but better ammo choices.

I prefer 20 inch barrel length and would not buy a rifle with longer barrel. Unfortunately, very few makers build carbines but a decent smith can do the job for a reasonable price.

Jack

DiscoRacing
September 9, 2009, 08:01 PM
Im with Jack.... .308

Brian Pfleuger
September 9, 2009, 08:03 PM
25-06 or 7mm-08

Flat shooting, low recoil, plenty enough power for any range that 99% of hunters can make the shot.

Buzzcook
September 9, 2009, 08:38 PM
Whatever shoots best out of the gun you have.

.300 Weatherby Mag
September 9, 2009, 08:43 PM
30-378 Weatherby ;):rolleyes:

jgcoastie
September 9, 2009, 09:32 PM
30-378 Weatherby

Oh, so bland 300... Why not a 7-30 Waters?

:p

RNB65
September 9, 2009, 09:35 PM
.30-06. Everything else is a wannabe.

armsmaster270
September 9, 2009, 10:04 PM
I'm with RNB65 30-06 or possibly 270

jhgreasemonkey
September 9, 2009, 10:06 PM
Wouldn't it be the one that's killed the most deer? The 30-30 of course. ;) Man there are sooooooooo many good choices out there for deer. I currently use a .30-06 beause it's my all around rifle and works well. I like the 30-06 and it's varients a lot like the .25-06, .270, .280. I also think the .308 and it's brother the 7mm-08 rate just as well.

dbgun
September 9, 2009, 10:08 PM
Remington 700 BDL in .270

Yellowfin
September 9, 2009, 11:09 PM
Agreed, .30-06 is about impossible to beat. If I wasn't shooting the 06, I'd probably be carrying a 7x57 or 7.5x55 Swiss, or possibly the 6.5x55 Swede.

sasquatch
September 9, 2009, 11:53 PM
.270 Winchester

Waterengineer
September 9, 2009, 11:53 PM
Weatherby Mag and Coastie:

The correct obscure calibers are either the 257 Newton or 30 Newton.

Jack O'Conner:

How can you have a screen name like that and not say .270 Win? Saying .308 made Jack O'Connor roll over in his grave.

Now.

The OP asked for the caliber for Mulies and WT deer. Personally, I think the 30-06 is overgunning, espcially when considering the little deer of the historic deep south and east coast states. That is why I said a .25 caliber. No doubt a 257 Roberts will stop and Mulie too.

Fremmer
September 9, 2009, 11:57 PM
Saying .308 made Jack O'Connor roll over in his grave.


Too bad. Jack can rock and roll all he wants, but the .308 Winchester is a wicked deer round! :cool:

armsmaster270
September 10, 2009, 12:49 AM
In the 50's my Aunt took 2nd place Boone & Crockett Mountain Caribou with a .270win.

hardluk1
September 10, 2009, 08:47 AM
Both the 270 and 308 will do anything you need. You can get a shorter /lighter rifle in 308 is all.

hogdogs
September 10, 2009, 08:53 AM
This many replies and the closest mention of the venerable .30-30 is Jack's reference in mentioning the Federal Lite...

So for me it is simple...
For thick woody hunting...
.30-30 levergun or a shortish shotgun with slugs.

For open country longer shooting, gimme the ol' .30-06.
Brent

a7mmnut
September 10, 2009, 09:04 AM
I'd second the .257 Roberts, 7-30 Waters, 7mm-08, .308, .30-06, and just about anything else up the middle range. Speaking of range--that's just it. Will you be hunting river bottom bean fields, wide western canyons, thick juniper thickets, eastern pine flats, thick grown-over clear cuts...........?

For myself, I found it nearly impossible to count on one rifle for every situation. In a quick pinch these days, it's going to most likely be a .444 Marlin with a Nikon Monarch 4x40 for the woody stuff, and a 26" M70 Classic Stainless with a Leupold 3.5-10x40 VXIII in 7mm Rem. Mag. With either of those, I have 99% confidence in my equipment for any situation I've found four-legged deer in. Throw in my 7-30 Waters Contender, and I'll go as far as 99.99%.;)

Good shootin', -7-

PRONE2
September 10, 2009, 10:31 AM
308!!

taylorce1
September 10, 2009, 10:40 AM
There is no perfect deer caliber however a lot of good suggestions are on this page. My top five pics would be .243 Win, .270 Win, .30-30 Win, .308 Win, and .30-06 Springfield. Just for the simple fact that you walk into any store that sells ammunition you will find these cartridges on the shelf. 7mm Rem Mag is just as popular and as easy to find just a little more expensive most of the time.

I like these .257 Roberts, 7-30 Waters, 7mm-08as well as the .25-06, .250 Savage, 6.5x55, .260, and .280, but these are not nearly as common or as easily found. If you handload then it isn't such a big deal but it doesn't seem that the OP rolls his own. Don't overthink it and keep it simple when you look for your deer rifle.

Art Eatman
September 10, 2009, 10:48 AM
Back in my younger and healthier daze, I figured that inside of 500 yards with my '06, whatever was out there belonged to me. I killed just as many whitetail with my .243, but I wasn't as ambitious about distance.

For mulies, my own preference is for a bit more Thump! than a .243. So, anything above a .243 for bullet weight, up to an '06, oughta do just fine for any deer in the lower 48.

FWIW...

James R. Burke
September 17, 2009, 07:17 PM
Just myself I have lived and hunted whitetail in Michigan all my life. My favorite all time set up is the Ruger No. 1 A light sporter in 30-06 with a Leupold 3x9x40mm limited century scope, using my loads. Laupa brass, CCI-large rifle primer, Nosler Partition 165 grain bullet, with IMR-4350 at 3097 f.p.s. five shot average. It will shoot 3/4" at 100 yards all day long if I do my part. My wife has the exact same set up only in a .243 same weight scope etc, except for the caliber. She only takes well placed shots or lets them walk using a much differnt load of course, but she is using the Nosler 100 grain partition. Her first time out she shot at two deer and dropped them both right were they stood. But my favorite is no doubt the 30-06 for deer. That is just me, for deer there are alot of great calibers, 30-30., .270, 7mm mag, and the list goes on. I guess it comes down to what you like, and can handle the best. Shot placement is key no matter what you have, and being a good sportsperson leaving some walk away is the hardest thing to do but the right thing to do.

JKump
September 18, 2009, 08:47 AM
I've killed plenty of deer with no complaints with the 308.

GeauxTide
September 18, 2009, 08:59 AM
Being a respectable Rifle Loony, I own a 260, 6.5-06, 280, 7mmRM, 308, 30-06, and 338-06. My current choices are: Woods - 260 Ruger SS Compact. Fields - 280 Ruger SS Hawkeye. For your purposes, and come to the point, I haven't seen any difference in killing power between the 7mmRM, 308, or 30-06, using standard soft points. Get the 308 in a 24" barrel.

A_Gamehog
September 18, 2009, 09:40 AM
270 or a 30-06 would do quite nicely on any deer anywhere.

If I only had the money for one it would be the 30-06 though. 1903-A3

with a 3lb Timmney trigger. 3X9 Nikon scope good for anything to 400 yards.

Just my 2 cents...

Christchild
September 18, 2009, 10:14 AM
.270 Winchester is my #1 pick, but .243 Win., .257 Roberts, .25/06 Rem., .260 Rem., 7mm-08, .308 Win. 30/06 Sprg. are ALL suitable and highly effective Deer Cartridges.

I personally tend to stay away from most Magnum, Short Magnum or Super Short Magnum because of the "Barrel Burner" aspect, as I've heard quite a bit on that (most hunters never burn barrels, though), along with the extra recoil, and cost.

Always consider the fact that You're hunting WhiteTail and Mule Deer (not widebeest, buffalo and lion), and unless You're making very long shots most of the time, any of the above Cartridges are fantastic.

I agree with a previous poster, a 3x-9x scope is sufficient also.

I prefer .270 Win over 30/06 Sprg. The 30/06 has ALOT over the .270... .308" bullets are more available in more Brands/Styles/Weights than ANY other caliber, and any company that makes brass, makes 30-06, and a wide range of bullet weights is useful.
Comparing .277" bullets and .308" bullets, the .308" is larger diameter, and if You compared a 150 grain .277" bullet to a 150 grain .308" bullet, at the same velocity, the .308" will transfer more energy due to the diameter, more "knock down" power... BUT, "Knock Down" power (foot pounds of energy) are not the only aspect in a bullets killing power. Bullet construction/performance and shot placement are #1.

The .270 Win. is generally a 30/06 necked down to .270 caliber. Slightly less bullet diameter, in most cases less recoil (in similar rifle and bullet weight), in most cases Flatter Trajectory, and PLENTY killing power.

And, it's a Classic American cartridge.

I would LOVE to see a .270/08. I know someone did it as a wildcat, but I'd like to see that one commercialized, so guys like me can use the same bullets in a smaller cartridge (bigger and more potent than 6.8 SPC) for my son to use.

mpd61
September 18, 2009, 11:12 AM
I would LOVE to see a .270/08. I know someone did it as a wildcat, but I'd like to see that one commercialized, so guys like me can use the same bullets in a smaller cartridge (bigger and more potent than 6.8 SPC) for my son to use.

With the .260 Remington on the left, and the 7mm-08 on the right, such a cartridge would be rather gay!
:p

ZeroJunk
September 18, 2009, 11:21 AM
270 Win

Christchild
September 18, 2009, 05:54 PM
I don't think it would be gay, Bro. It's got a close competitor on both sides, yes, but I'd bet my next crawfish boil, that it would quickly come alive if commercialized.

And like I said, it would let guys like me use the same bullets that are used in my .270 win. Plus, being a young boy, my son (along with many other son's) would think it was cool using the same bullets Dad uses...

Same camo....same boots....similar rifle....same bullets....sittin' in the same spot...see the deer at the same time.... Father and Son... That, is a Huntin' Buddy.

fisherman66
September 18, 2009, 06:06 PM
I would LOVE to see a .270/08. I know someone did it as a wildcat, but I'd like to see that one commercialized, so guys like me can use the same bullets in a smaller cartridge (bigger and more potent than 6.8 SPC) for my son to use.

With the .260 Remington on the left, and the 7mm-08 on the right, such a cartridge would be rather gay!


I have seen 270-.308 dies. I also watched a such chambered rifle sell yesterday.

I suppose our new guy is an expert on all things gay. I don't see how it can be any "gayer" than the long action equivalents.

Christchild
September 18, 2009, 07:14 PM
Fisherman66... At's a Roger!

Snakum
September 18, 2009, 08:37 PM
So it's official, then? The 30-06 is the "best" all around deer cartridge?:p I gotta git me one 'a them. Mebe a 7600?

Actually, I'm thinking the 30-06 is probably one of the most versatile rounds, there are so many different factory loads for it you could hunt chucks long range, our little southeastern whitetails, big mulies out west, or black bear in New England. A 7600 in 30-06 with a good red dot system might be one of the best all around critter killers. I had one in .270 with an old Bushnell 6x on hi-rise mounts allowing use of the sights. Never hunted with it but I bet it would have been a great deer rifle for close snap shots or longer range shots with the scope. I liked the way the gun balanced and it was fast on target.

Colorado Redneck
September 18, 2009, 10:32 PM
Rocky Mountain mule deer stand three to three and a
half feet tall at the shoulder, with bucks (males) usually
weighing 125 to 250 pounds, though some may weigh as
much as 400 pounds. Does (females) usually weigh between
100 and 150 pounds.

It would seem that we are talking about shooting an animal that is about the same size as a human. So a canon wouldn't be necessary to do away with one.

My vote is for a 25-06 with the Nosler 110 gr. accubond loaded at 3160 fps.

Any thing from a 243 up to a 308 would be fine. Bullet selection is important.

The first mule deer I killed was a nice healthy 3 X 3 at about 200 paces (Dad stepped it off) with a 25-35 model 94 lever Winchester. Went right down. We lived in the boonies in NW Colorado and the staute of limitations has hopefully run out.:o But all i am saying is, it doesn't take a lot to bring down a deer.

Deerhunter264
September 19, 2009, 12:55 PM
i choose the .243 winchester. It is an accurate round and it is and easy shooting gun. It has hardly any recoil and it is big enough to kill any deer out ther. What is the point in shooting a deer which can be killed with a small easy shooting .243 with a 300 winchester or another big caliber like that. I think that a deer is not going to know the differencce between being shot by a .243 or 300 win mag if it is being shot in a avital area.

Old Grump
September 19, 2009, 12:56 PM
What would yall say is the best deer round out there?
Simple straightforward question designed perfectly to elicit many and varied opinions according to whats in the nimrods gun rack or tops on his wish list. However the correct answer is a round of boilermakers using Colt 45 malt liquor and a shot of Jack Daniels black. After 2 rounds he will follow you back to camp and if you can get 3 rounds in him the meat will be pre-marinated.

roy reali
September 19, 2009, 12:59 PM
The best deer round is the round being used by the best deer hunter.

Daryl
September 19, 2009, 02:43 PM
The best deer round is the round being used by the best deer hunter.

I'd have to disagree.

The correct answer is: It depends.

How do you hunt? If you hunt from a stand placed in heavy timber where shots are short, a handy little levergun in .357 mag, 30/30, .44 mag, or .45 Colt would work about as well as anything else. In addition, the pistol cartridges tend to not shoot as far, so hitting yonder farmhouse isn't as much of an issue. For that use, they'd be "the best" IMO, and I'd prefer open sights.

If you're hunting the Colorado Rockies, the 30/30 isn't going to do as well if you have to shoot across a canyon at a big mule deer buck. Forget the pistol cartridges for such a thing. In this country, the 30-06, .308, 7mm-08, 7mm mag, and others are the rule rather than the exception; and a good scope is not considered optional by most who hunt this kind of country.

Here in the Arizona desert, any of the above might do pretty well. Coues deer aren't hard to kill, and they can be hunted in some places where still hunting/stalking are good options. A light weight rifle is good, because you'll likely climb up in the higher country for a good vantage point to glass from. Most like cartridges that push bullets faster rather than slower, but big killing power isn't all that necessary.

Heck, even our desert mule deer only average about 140 lbs or so, and top out a little over 200 lbs. In this country, the .243 might work as well as the 7mm mag for most shots. The 7mm mag and similar cartridges will give the possibility of longer shots to hunters/shooters capable of it, but most of the time it's really not necessary.

I'm still deciding whether to use the 7mm mag or my .243 this year. If I use the 7mm mag, it'll be because it's lighter to carry. I haven't shot a deer with my .243 in several years, so I'm tempted to take it instead. It's a fun little rifle to shoot, and it's very accurate as well.

The best? It depends on your likes, dislikes, needs, and capabilities. There is no "one size fits all" answer to this one.

Daryl

rbb50
September 19, 2009, 03:22 PM
Look at the ballistics and energy from a 7mm-08 and I believe you will find just as I did it beats the 30-06 and passes it at about 250 yards and beats the 243 hands down along with being the best over all rifle for any north American game

Even the 7mm mag is just a slight above it and is not even worth it when comparing recoil and muzzle blast anyway just to get that extra 200-300fps along with the extra weight a 7mm mag has along with what I call 19 inch cases LOL

As far as accuracy goes the 7mm-08 is fantastic in that area also.

How ever I was looking at some 7mm WSMs and they seem promising with that shorter bolt throw but I would still have that hit by a truck recoil and a giant muzzle blast so I will stick with that 7mm-08 for now

mpd61
September 19, 2009, 04:09 PM
Fisherman66 and Christboy,

I have seen 270-.308 dies. I also watched a such chambered rifle sell yesterday.

I suppose our new guy is an expert on all things gay. I don't see how it can be any "gayer" than the long action equivalents.

Thank you for recognizing me as the self appointed "Gay Cartridge Expert". In the original context, your analogy of one rifle sale and an existing set of dies does not make .270/08 some future commercial success. In addition the .260 Rem and 7mm-08 ARE short action calibers that arguably do EVERYTHING better than some new and "gay" .270 short wildcat cartridge squeezed in between! Can't you just buy some "new" 270 Short mag and load it down?
What the heck, it sounds so darn "queer"
:barf:

fisherman66
September 19, 2009, 04:26 PM
In the original context, your analogy of one rifle sale and an existing set of dies does not make .270/08 some future commercial success. In addition the .260 Rem and 7mm-08 ARE short action calibers that arguably do EVERYTHING better than some new and "gay" .270 short wildcat cartridge squeezed in between! Can't you just buy some "new" 270 Short mag and load it down?

I made no analogy. The 7mm-08 is a ballistic twin (the twin with the stunted growth) to the 7x57. Does that make the 7mm-08 gay? Really, it isn't an argument I'd ever bother to bring up if it weren't for your twink semantics.

Daryl
September 19, 2009, 05:35 PM
Look at the ballistics and energy from a 7mm-08 and I believe you will find just as I did it beats the 30-06 and passes it at about 250 yards and beats the 243 hands down along with being the best over all rifle for any north American game

Even the 7mm mag is just a slight above it and is not even worth it when comparing recoil and muzzle blast anyway just to get that extra 200-300fps along with the extra weight a 7mm mag has along with what I call 19 inch cases LOL


Now those are some interesting statements, purely based on opinion, and likely intended at a bit of promoting one's own preferences.

Look at the ballistics and energy from a 7mm-08 and I believe you will find just as I did it beats the 30-06 and passes it at about 250 yards


Passes the 30-06 with....what? Energy? Not a chance. Trajectory? What loads are you comparing? Your information is lacking, and erronious from what I've read. Have you done extensive testing of your own to show this to be true? As bullets get heavier, the differences greatly widen between the 7mm mag and 7mm-08.

Does this mean that the 7mm-08 isn't a good choice? Nope; it just means you might want to stop bad-mouthing the others.

and beats the 243 hands down along with being the best over all rifle for any north American game



Beats the .243 hands down...how? Looking up my .243 load in my ballistic's chart, and comparing it to the fastest 120 grain load for the 7mm-08 looks like this:

7mm-08 120 gr spitzer
MV=3000 fps Muzzle energy=2398 ft/lbs POI= -1.5 inches
200 yards
velocity = 2549 fps energy=1730 ft/lbs, POI = 0.0
500 yards
Velocity = 1949 fps, energy = 1012 ft/lbs, POI = -40.9 inches

.243 Win 100 gr spitzer
MV = 3250 fps, energy = 2418 ft/lbs, POI = -1.5 inches
200 yards
Velocity = 2793 fps, energy = 1732 ft/lbs, POI = 0.0 inches
500 yards
Velocity = 2129 fps, energy = 1006 ft/lbs, POI = -33.9 inches.

My load uses a 100 grain bullet pushed to 3250 fps using IMR-7828SSC, and the actual bullet I use has a higher BC. For the purposes of this comparison, I used same make/bullet styles.

BTW-that 120 gr bullet gave the BEST trajectory and energy figures for the 7mm-08.

As weight goes up in the 7-08, the trajectory drops more throughout the spectrum, and the energy goes down at the muzzle, but gets a little higher (50 ft/lbs) at 500 yards than the 120 grain bullet in the same caliber/cartridge.

That being the case, I'd say they're about equal in that comparison. If there's a difference, it's slightly in favor of the .243 Win. Granted, most factory loaded .243 ammo isn't loaded to top velocities, but neither are they for the 7mm-08.

Daryl

roy reali
September 19, 2009, 05:51 PM
Numbers don't kill deer.

Breadslinger
September 19, 2009, 06:02 PM
From coast to coast, many deer at varying distances under a multitude of circumstances, one cartridge has done it all...the .270 Winchester. Does this make it the perfect choice? Beats me, but its my choice and I tend to stick with what works. ;)

mapsjanhere
September 19, 2009, 06:34 PM
7x65R in a single shot.

rbb50
September 19, 2009, 06:51 PM
So what your saying Daryl is you some how shoot a 175 grain bullet out of that 243 you have also.

I would like to see the specs on that LOL

7mm goes from 100 grain to 175 grain bullets which makes it perfect for me

And no I'm not bad mouthing anyone and made my statements knowing after 50 years of shooting every caliber there is the 7mm-08 is the best one I have ever found for myself

Doesn't mean that would hold true for anyone else.

I have my own data and it does show exactly what I said.

Does not beat the 30-06 hands down but it does pass it and has a slight more energy at longer ranges due to the ballistic coefficient of the 7mm bullet

Does not mean the 30-06 or the 243 is not a good caliber either way and only that I like the 7mm-08 more.

Look in the high powered rifle silhouette competitions and you will find a big percentage of the shooters shooting that 7mm-08

At least they were back when I was in them :D

I load my own and do a lot of math to do that if you want to take a look at it here

http://www.thefiringline.com/forums/showthread.php?t=318179

Does not matter what you are reloading for there are math equations all over the internet as a way to make that caliber accurate as can be.

A lot of people just look at that muzzle velocity those factories always advertise and think yep that must be really good going that fast

I look at the science part of it all and know it does not matter what caliber I use I can make it accurate to the max

Friends of mine that shoot the 30-06 always tell me they have to use that 150-180 grain bullet size because the others are just not accurate even when they reload

Then I teach them the math and they find out that 30-06 can shoot anything from a 100 grain to a 200 grain bullet very accurately after all

After they shoot my 7mm-08 they instantly want one for themselves also LOL

Roy is correct... Numbers will never kill a deer at all LOL

Those 270s are bad to the bone also and I hear sometimes, "Ar'nt those things just an old has been caliber"? I'm like HUHHHHHH who told you that them 270s are bad to the bone.

Daryl
September 19, 2009, 06:55 PM
Numbers don't kill deer.

No, they don't; but when someone promotes a particular cartridge, and supports their claim by saying to look it up, that's usually what I do.

I'm a ballistic's fanatic to some extent, and always have been. I don't generally study a lot of charts, instead leaning towards making my own decisions from experience. Even so, I've studies the charts enough to know how a lot of cartridges compare to one another in that respect.

I like to get the most from my cartridges in both accuracy and terminal performance, so I do things with that in mind.

As I said above, there's nothing at all wrong with the 7mm-08. It and it's ballistic twin (7mm mauser) have taken just about every game animal on earth, including elephant. There's no arguing with it's effectiveness on game, but IMO it falls short of being best in most respects. When one claims it out-performs the 30-06 at a distance, and also claims it's "almost as good" as the 7mm mag, while beating the .243 hands down, I just have to go look up some data.

Any of them can and have killed lots and lots of deer, along with a bunch of other cartridges. Each will do it reliably in the hands of a skilled rifleman, and each can fail if he shot goes awry. The "best" is always a matter of opinion; some more experienced than others.

Daryl

Rigby1962
September 19, 2009, 07:05 PM
For deer I like the 45 Colt loaded with 300gr Speer sp @ 1300 fps, well why not :).

HiBC
September 19, 2009, 07:13 PM
The parameter of diverse deer hunting would place versatility pretty high on the list of desirable attributes.

A rifle optimized for western bitterbrush hunting might be a bit of a handicap in deep woods and the reverse is true.

When I pick up my 257 Ackley that weighs 7 lbs with the 6x42 Leu on top,I do not wish for something else.

I do not think there is a "best".It is the one you know and trust.And,the 30-30 has killed a lot of deer out west.

I antelope hunt on foot in what amounts to sage/desert."Flat" ground is not so flat if you look close.A buddy once told me,one minute you were walking away,then you disappeared.A little bit of a draw or bowl,defilade!!

If you are in foothills,brush,oakbrush,it might be Colorado but it is short range bush shooting,or cross the draw.

I know of a cranky old ex Marine sniper gunsmith who will use an iron sight 30-40 Krag on Pronghorn and might grab a .50 rolling block carbine to hunt in Idaho.

A Ruger #1 might be a great platform,a might an Encore carbine with an ACOG on it you could put in your ruck..

rbb50
September 19, 2009, 07:31 PM
When I pick up my 257 Ackley that weighs 7 lbs with the 6x42 Leu on top,I do not wish for something else

Wow I had forgot all about that lever action in 257 roberts a friend had.

That is a really neat little gun.

He says the same thing about his gun

That's all he ever needs or wants

He was just like me

We went to the range he fired two shots though the bulls-eye I fired two from my 7mm-08 though the bulls-eye we traded and shot a couple from each others gun all though the bulls-eye and we both called it a good day.

In the mean time we were both laughing about the others out there firing ten thousand rounds as a way to try to find out why they could not get a good group LOL

Daryl
September 19, 2009, 08:35 PM
For deer I like the 45 Colt loaded with 300gr Speer sp @ 1300 fps, well why not .

I use the same bullet at around 1250-1300 fps from my Ruger. It's a good load!

Daryl

Waterengineer
September 20, 2009, 09:31 AM
rbb50:

Who is th emaker of the 257 Roberts lever gun? I never saw one but suddenly need one.

Is it a Browning? Thanks.

rbb50
September 20, 2009, 11:12 AM
His was a savage model 99 but I cannot remember the designator

It was a beatiful gun with nice checkeing and all and very old but looked brand new topped off with a 7 power scope

I think browning and ruger also make them now days and his was a disconntinued model

Think I remember him saying his dad had to special order it in that caliber from savage

First one I have ever seen like it and may not ever see another one I thought

rbb50
September 20, 2009, 11:22 AM
Actually Daryl I knew some old country boys that would hunt deer with nothing but a 22 rimfire

They would swear by them and always say something like

I gets in that brush in my camo an when they comes up I pops up an shoot em in tha haed with that there 22 and they goes rights down every time

trying to get that texas slang they talk in writing just right LOL

I always thought that was illegal but they would always say stuff like, Them there revenuers aint scare me no how LOL

Yeah I lived in some stange places down here in texas and I don't think them boys had much schooling when they were growing up but they usually had what looked like about 100 antlers laying around all over with a bunch of nice mounts on their walls LOL

rbb50
September 20, 2009, 11:32 AM
Oh the difference between his and other lever guns was it had a rotory magazine

When you opened the chamber the rounds would push down into the magazine so that was neat also because it could be reloaded with some regular soft points unlike the tubes which needed flat or round points

Nightowl
September 20, 2009, 02:03 PM
My preference is my BAR in 7mm Mag w/ a Leupold 2.5-8 scope loaded with a light boattail bullet.
http://i966.photobucket.com/albums/ae148/bburge46/Browning/Browning_BAR.jpg

HiBC
September 20, 2009, 02:19 PM
rbb50,I think your friend may have had a .250-3000 Savage.That is another excellent deer cartridge.

My .257AI is on a Mex mauser,which is short,like a Yugo,and also it is a small ring M-98.It has a Douglas FWT bbl,blind magazine with a Rem 700 triggerguard,and I put it in a Garret Accra-lite stock in a FWT m-70 shape.

I get 3050 through the chronograph with a 115 ballistic tip.

BIGR
September 20, 2009, 06:56 PM
Oh my my, too many calibers and choices and everyone has an opinion just like a brain. If I told you at this point in my deer hunting career that the 30.06 has bagged more deer for me you would say that the .270 is better..:D
If it works for you then use it. I have a 7MM-08 (never shot anything with it) several 30.06's, 300 WIN. MAG (took one doe with it and put it up) but I have for some reason always leaned towards the 30.06. Well ok guys for some reason I got a wild notion that I wanted to try a 7MM MAGNUM in a bolt gun so I bought one in the spring. I am about to get the scope on it and get it ready for rifle season 2009. I will be trying some 160 GR. Sierra Gamekings over some H4831 that I loaded up and for kicks some factory Hornady Custom ammo in 162 GR. BTSP. Whichever one of those rounds shoots the best will probably be what I will hunt with. I got started late this year trying to work up a load for the rifle so maybe this winter or next year I can try some different loads. Wish me and my 7 MAG. luck for deer season 2009..:)

P99AS9
September 20, 2009, 07:02 PM
.308 Winchester

Daryl
September 20, 2009, 07:29 PM
Actually Daryl I knew some old country boys that would hunt deer with nothing but a 22 rimfire

They would swear by them and always say something like

I gets in that brush in my camo an when they comes up I pops up an shoot em in tha haed with that there 22 and they goes rights down every time

trying to get that texas slang they talk in writing just right LOL

I always thought that was illegal but they would always say stuff like, Them there revenuers aint scare me no how LOL

Yeah I lived in some stange places down here in texas and I don't think them boys had much schooling when they were growing up but they usually had what looked like about 100 antlers laying around all over with a bunch of nice mounts on their walls LOL

I used to know some ol' boys from Utah that claimed a .243 was way too much gun for elk. They used single shot pistols chambered in 22-250, and killed a lot of elk with 'em.

Just the same, I have an uncle that decided not to take his 7mm mag when he hunted with them, but instead took his .243 (too much ribbing if he'd hunted with the 7mm mag). The uncle said those boys looked sort of silly that day trying to hit elk with them at around a thousand yards. My uncle got his from that bunch of elk with the .243, but those boys didn't.

I'm pretty sure I'd have had to sneak up a little closer, but Norm's a awfully good shot when it comes right down to it.

Daryl

L_Killkenny
September 20, 2009, 08:19 PM
Not a very logical question IMO. Heck, it's easier to answer the question "What's not the best deer round?"

So many great choices, why limit one's self!

What's the best deer round? Anything from the .25's on up.

LK

butta9999
September 21, 2009, 03:18 AM
The best deer round is the one that makes the perfect shot for the perfect stag.

For me it's my .300 win mag loaded with 180gr accubond. Never fails

sc928porsche
September 21, 2009, 05:39 PM
105 mm loaded with HE. Its a little difficult to tote around in the woods, but it might get the job done.

Actually there are a lot of cartridges that are quite suitable for deer hunting and to say which is best would be the one you are most comfortable with. Just make sure that you practice, practice, practice.

Dirty_Harry
September 23, 2009, 10:50 AM
What is the point of this thread. There are so many bullets that will kill a deer just as easy as the next. It is what you shoot the best. I use a .308, but you cannot beat the versatiliy of the .30-06.

oneounceload
September 23, 2009, 11:36 AM
Numbers don't kill deer.

Nope, cars kill more deer than any gun

James R. Burke
September 27, 2009, 04:13 PM
There are so many good one's out there it would be hard to say what is the best of them. It will come down to what you like, and feel the best with. There are many new calibers that are good, and a ton of the proven ones that all would work great. I always liked the .308, and now have a 30-06. But that is just two out of lots of good ones.

Osageshooter
October 5, 2009, 11:39 AM
I like all the 30-06 family for deer. 30-06, 280, 270, 25-06. Lately, however, I am finding that my 7-08 and 260 will do what they do out to 300 yards with less recoil. The 308 is the family father, but I don't see the advantage of it over the 260 or 7-08 for deer.

musicmatty
October 5, 2009, 12:49 PM
Lots of excelent choices for sure..for me and my needs, the model 94 Win in 30.30. has served me well everytime..never a disapointing moment yet. :)

abuyalos
October 6, 2009, 12:03 AM
You can't say enough about the classic .30-30. I have a newfound love for the .300 Win Mag though. Tons of power and velocity.

DOUGHBOY RACING
October 6, 2009, 07:05 AM
http://i280.photobucket.com/albums/kk185/DoughboyRacing/102_0588.jpg

mike186
October 6, 2009, 08:38 AM
I'll go with my Marlin 336 in 35 rem for woods hunting and the 308 when a little more distance is invoved.

Willie Lowman
October 6, 2009, 09:01 AM
105 mm loaded with HE. Its a little difficult to tote around in the woods, but it might get the job done. I prefer 88mm flak.

I killed a buck a few months ago with an '04 Monte Carlo chambered in 3.5 liter.

I think the best deer round is a 2 3/4" 1oz 12 gauge slug. Put a hole in a buck's heart big enough to throw my hat through. ;)

When I am shooting on someone's kill permit I like 8mm Mauser or 7.62x54r.

hogdogs
October 6, 2009, 09:17 AM
Willie, Don't you like Deer heart and eggs for breakfast or Deer heart with onions served with barely mashed spicy taters for supper?:D TSK TSK TSK!!!!
But I agree on the slug... I prefer to describe it as "A hole you drive a John deere thru and not get no blood on the paint..."
Brent

Water-Man
October 6, 2009, 10:00 AM
6.5x55 Swede! 140gr. ammo!

matt_3479
October 6, 2009, 05:19 PM
Sounds like you want to strictly hunt whitetail with this rifle. If you are strictly hunting rifle then theres many calibers, and if you don't mind spending money then you can be set up nicely. A caliber that is super fast, super flat, and you will be amazed by would be the 257 Weatherby magnum. Its an incredible caliber. The bullets would be a little difficult to find and more expensive. A 270. wsm is a lot like the 257. Weatherby Magnum but bigger, a little less expensive and is more widely available. If you want something that is a normal price range, widely available then i would look at a 243. win or a 270. win. Both are fast flat and hard hitting. The 257. Weatherby beats out the 243. win in ballistics but not price and it goes for the 270. wsm and the 270. win. A 7mm rem mag, is something that would give you a performance like the wsm and weatherby without the extreme prices. The 7mm will go up in price compared to the 270. win, and 243. win though and will have some recoil but its not too bad.

Look at the Remington 700, Sako 85 or A7, Tikka T3 and Browning. All Amazing

Para Bellum
October 9, 2009, 04:21 PM
7x57, .308, 7-08, .270. IMHO.

kron
October 9, 2009, 09:12 PM
6.5x55 Swede, .308 Win Love em both.

bcarver
October 11, 2009, 12:38 AM
fisherman66 got it right on the 5th post

Departed402
October 11, 2009, 11:45 AM
This whole thread is silly!

"Which is the best deer round?"

Here you go, and read carefully. Don't go too fast, as you may miss something.

THE BEST ROUND TO USE IS ONE THAT MUSHROOMS SLIGHTLY AND EXITS THE DEER WITHOUT LEAVING A HUGE EXIT WOUND!

It's that simple. You can use whatever you want, but for best results use something that will do as said above.

jchesser
October 18, 2009, 08:24 PM
30-06 it is great and you can get lots of different weights

matt_3479
October 18, 2009, 08:39 PM
Well i would have to know where you shoot. Open country or more bush. If it was bush then go with the 30-30. win hands down and shoot 160 grain lever revolutions in case you need that extra longer shot like 200 yards or so. If its open country i would lean towards something thats really fast, really flat, and hits real hard. If it were me there would be 3 cartridges in mind. number 1 and cheapest would be a 7mm rem mag shooting 140 grain bullets. Wow thats a beauty set up. Number 2. 270. wsm or 270 win both shooting 130 grain bullets. That is also a great set up. 3 and most expensive but an truly awesome caliber would be the 257 weatherby. Most likely i would take the 7mm rem mag

fisherman66
October 18, 2009, 08:45 PM
7x57mm
fisherman66 got it right on the 5th post

It's unanimous! The 7x57 is the best deer cartridge!

THE BEST ROUND TO USE IS ONE THAT MUSHROOMS SLIGHTLY AND EXITS THE DEER WITHOUT LEAVING A HUGE EXIT WOUND!

You mean bullet. We aren't talking about bullets. ;)

sc928porsche
October 19, 2009, 07:48 AM
I like them to enter finger hole size and exit double fisted. If there were some way I could implant a grenade, that would be about perfect.

Example: 195 yd (lazer ranged) 150gr hpbt @3322 (chrono @ 20 ft.) .308 cal. Result.....small hole in and 1 lung and 4 ribs missing on the far side. Mulie was actually thrown sideways.

Jseime
October 21, 2009, 01:18 AM
Well if you look at my sig you know my personal preference, however there are a couple of hundred calibers out there that will work.

I live in the land of big wide open spaces, long shots can be had everywhere you turn and I like the .270 for its speed and flat trajectory. That being said a .30-30 is a lot better deer gun in some areas.

Personally I think that the whole fam-damily of .308 based cartridges are good deer killers. Anything based on the .30-06 is great too. I would say that these are the mainstream rounds, they are the easiest to come by and you really cant miss. Of course there are any number of slightly more obscure yet interesting and very capable rounds out there as well.

Magnums are not, never have been, and never will be necessary for killing deer, dont let anyone convince you otherwise. I have killed deer with a .243 and think it is a good round but I personally would not go any smaller, and in most cases the .30-06 is really more than you would need (so is a .270) but who has ever seen a deer that is too dead?

Six of one, half a dozen of the other, pick one that you like buy a nice rifle and some reloading gear, shoot it lots, get to know it, and go kill deer with it.

Willie Lowman
October 21, 2009, 03:53 PM
Willie, Don't you like Deer heart and eggs for breakfast or Deer heart with onions served with barely mashed spicy taters for supper?

Honestly I have never had deer heart. That was something we allways fed to the dogs...

I'll give it a try if I have a spare heart on hand.

hogdogs
October 21, 2009, 04:09 PM
Heart is a very rich flavor so if liver is not something you like the flavor of... you may not care for heart.
Me? Just thinkin' of heart or liver makes my tongue slap my ears...
Brent

Kreyzhorse
October 21, 2009, 07:53 PM
There is no best, but there are damn good...... I'd suggest the .308, 30.06 or the 7mm Rem Mag.

Granted there are lots of other rounds that do about the same thing as those three, but those three calibers offer a lot of various rifle make and model choices, abundant ammo selection and great ammo availabilty.

What more could you want in a rifle?

fisherman66
October 21, 2009, 07:56 PM
What more could you want in a rifle?

I prefer a little less in a rifle, especially in a lightweight.:)

Dearhunter61
October 21, 2009, 08:47 PM
Boy good question. I have hunted with a lot of different calibers when hunting deer. 300 Mag, 7Mag, 280, 270, 7mm-08, 6.5x55 Swede, 22-250, 30-30, 30-06 and I picked up a .243 I am going to use some this year and of all the ones I have used for a shot out to 200 yards I say my 6.5x55. You talk about doing a great job! It is GREAT! It does a great job and it does not get meat on both ends!

phishisgroovin
October 22, 2009, 03:10 AM
I wanted to use my 7.65x54 mauser this year, but mounting the scope was going to cost me too much to have it drilled and tapped so i chose my 30-06 Enfield to mount the scope on.
Its a great round for everything i may hunt. my next choice would be my 7.62 Mosin in full battle dress or the turk 8mm lol!

fxdrider
October 22, 2009, 10:15 AM
Can't say for sure if it's the very best or not, but I rely on my .308. Accurate, easy to shoot, power to spare. Hasn't let me down.

crimsondave
October 22, 2009, 10:36 AM
.30-06

I've got a 7x57 and a 30-06 and the 30-06 is better.

Farmland
October 22, 2009, 03:56 PM
I have never found that one. I hunt in so many different places that one round and one gun would be way to limiting.

If I just had to pick on it would be the 45-70 because if it isn't thick enough to have to crawl then I probably will be hunting much. However I just limited my hunting because that round and rifle would be much help when I hit the fields.

GB in WY
October 26, 2009, 11:52 PM
I am old and single and have lots of rifles. I have hunted with eveything from a .257 Bob to a 45-70 in the last 10 years (257/6.55x55/7mm Mauser/280Rem/270 Win/06/300Win/300Weatherby/35Wheelen/348Win/45-70. I believe that whatever rifle you shoot will do the job, with the right bullet and within your limitations as a marksman. Practice until you know those limitations and you are good to go.

Brasscatcher84
October 29, 2009, 11:50 AM
As a matter of personal preference, I have used the .308 win/7.62 NATO round on whitetail and elk, and have several friends who have used it on everything from feral hogs to moose to antelope to black bear. In the hands of even a moderately skilled hunter, the .308 will successfully harvest any game animal in North America (I'm not counting Grizzlies and Kodiaks as game animals here, although it could possibly do the job).

Also, the .308 is an extremely popular cartridge. I've never been in any sporting/shooting store that didn't have at least one box of .308 behind the counter. The same cannot be said of some other cartridges, even though they may be just as good for hunting. I also hunt with a .30-40 krag, and I generally have to order ammo from the manufacturer.

I don't think a hunter could go wrong by having at least one deer rifle chambered for the .308, and if you can only afford one, a .308 is a good choice.

Hunter04
October 29, 2009, 11:53 AM
270 WSM all the way

imacanuk
October 29, 2009, 04:17 PM
All the rounds mentioned will do. If it were me, having only one gun and limited to only deer, I'd pick... hmmmm... a 257 roberts, no wait, a 7-08, no maybe a 7x57, no better yet a .270, or better yet maybe a .280!
Really, deer aren't hard to kill. Pick a gun that you like. What cartridge it shoots is less important.
exception: Stay away from the magnums for deer. Totally unnecessary, and the added recoil will take away from accuracy.