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Firepower!
September 7, 2009, 05:58 PM
Hi
I was wondering which country or the top few countries will have most automatic weapons per capita civilians? Also in gross which country will have most automatic weapon in civilian hands?

Thanks

jeffreybehr
September 7, 2009, 06:09 PM
Fully auto, semiauto, or both?

divemedic
September 8, 2009, 05:27 AM
The Swiss or Israelis. Possibly (per capita) Vatican City or Monaco, simply because they are such small countries. Since so many countries do not have registration or publish numbers, it is hard to tell.

Xanatos
September 8, 2009, 05:35 AM
From what I understand, everyone male over 20 years old is issued a G36 in Switzerland that they keep at home until they're done with their compulsory military service.

Senator Vitaman
September 8, 2009, 09:19 PM
It's probably Switzerland, Vatican City, (if the Swiss gaurd use full-autos) Monoco.

Chipperman
September 9, 2009, 08:52 AM
issued a G36 in Switzerland

They get Sigs, not HKs

Jon1911
September 9, 2009, 09:42 AM
I concur on the compulsory Military Service in Switzerland.

http://stason.org/TULARC/travel/swiss-switzerland/3-2-1-Switzerland-Military-service.html
You keep your weapons till your military service is _OVER_ which means
not only your annual/bisannual courses are over, but also you are
freed from military service (around 42 nowadays I think).

Firepower!
September 9, 2009, 06:03 PM
I meant FULLY automatic.

I thought Pakistan or the US would be up there but Swiss surprised me.

The Canuck
September 9, 2009, 07:23 PM
Definately Swiss. Mandatory service age is 18-55 and you all have a service rifle (that's a Stgw-90 Select Fire Service Weapon) and 50 rounds of ammo handy in your home for deplyment. So about 85% of the males in the age range have a Stgw-90 at home. A good chunk of them also buy thier rifle when they leave the service.

So you are looking at about 1 million service rifles, or one for every five Swiss Citizens.

jmorris
September 10, 2009, 09:03 AM
I meant FULLY automatic.

I thought Pakistan or the US would be up there but Swiss surprised me.

Why would you think US? Fully automatic weapons have been restricted in the United States since the National Firearms Act of 1934. Currently the only available automatic firearms to civilians are those manufactured before May 19, 1986. Further, some states don't allow them at all.

flight954
September 10, 2009, 12:35 PM
Who cares:confused:

cougar gt-e
September 14, 2009, 07:14 PM
who cares?

Must be a report due soon...

Tamara
September 14, 2009, 08:51 PM
There are roughly a quarter million legally-transferable machine guns in the US, according to the BATFEIEIO's spotty records.

Most knowledgeable observers reckon that there are at least that many more formerly-legal ones in attics and barns and under floorboards that never made it onto the registry between '34 and '86.

Firepower!
September 15, 2009, 09:04 AM
Tamara:
Here in PK just last year 30,000 licenses were issued for full autos. On each AK license people usually keep 4 by stamping the same number and keeping them at different places.

Now that is just for last year. We have been getting licenses for such weapons since 1985, except for small intervals in between where they were banned etc. Nevertheless, if I would imagine that 5000 were issued per year (conservative estimate) we will have 24*5000 = 120000+30000= 150,000 licenses floating our there, but I think my conservative estimate is far below then actual. That said, we take that if 50% of these are AK the Ak number is75000. Furthermore if take (a very conservative est) that 25% Ak holders have at least 2 on same license we add 37500 to the total 150,000 = 187500 auto weapons.

Well when we talk about the black market or illegal weapons, the number is just too hard to figure out. In 'one' of the biggest market Derra Adam Khail there are 3000 sellers. All of them must have AKs local or foriegn. Take that in account and the other such markets around the country. While doing that, dont forget that MOST people who have AKs dont have license for them.

We are a population of 180 million! Can someone take a stab at doing a guestimatic math to put a number up?

tiereta
September 18, 2009, 09:34 AM
interesting thread. Throw out the per capita, who do you think has the most?

Firepower!
September 18, 2009, 04:19 PM
you means the civilians?

I know my country would be ranked pretty high

gyvel
October 4, 2009, 11:34 AM
batfeieio


roflmao!!

Firepower!
October 5, 2009, 03:26 AM
gyvl, i am sure I understand

Skans
October 5, 2009, 07:40 AM
My guess would be Israel - all men and women must serve in the military and they generally carry M16's when on active duty. Most households, from what I've been told, also have an automatic weapon in them. This is what I've been told, so accuracy could be questionable.

Buzzcook
October 8, 2009, 10:03 PM
Pre-invasion Iraq had about one AK per household. Saddam was handing them out like door prizes.

SeekHer
October 9, 2009, 06:48 AM
250K full auto in the USA---Wow, that's a staggering figure, that makes it what .0001% of the population...

Switzerland is around 47.0% and Israel is around 42.0% but then again, both countries combined wouldn't equal the population of Los Angeles and surrounding environs...Both countries have mandatory military service and a complete reserve (militia) corp so there is an advantage to their figures...

Last I read Afghanistan had around 23% of adult males armed with automatic weapons but they didn't specify full, select or semi...But that was awhile ago...

Do you know which countries have the least amount of weapons, primarily firearms, crimes?

Least amount of armed robberies?

Least amount of bank robberies?

Bob Strepka
October 9, 2009, 07:22 AM
According to news report that I read U.S has 90 guns for every 100 citizens, making it the most heavily armed society in the world.

SeekHer
October 10, 2009, 02:52 PM
Bob Strepka -- According to news report that I read U.S has 90 guns for every 100 citizens, making it the most heavily armed society in the world.

Although not really pertinent to this thread, I think whomever reported that tidbit, that news report, has their data slightly screwed up! Unless they consider all LEO and military firearms into the figures and even then, I still think that it wouldn't reach those numbers...

The "Brady Bunch" would have conniptions if that were the case...

PTK
October 10, 2009, 08:27 PM
Well, actually, there are probably somewhere in the neighborhood of 90-120 million guns in the USA. In other words, one gun for every three people.


Mind you, that's the official figure. "Unofficial" estimates put it much closer to 300 million or more - one gun for just about everyone.

ADB
October 11, 2009, 01:22 AM
So you are looking at about 1 million service rifles, or one for every five Swiss Citizens.

I recall hearing a figure of around 680,000. However, that may have just been active reservists, not counting the people who bought their weapons after they mustered out.