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kx592
September 4, 2009, 09:31 AM
Well Ill be getting my firearms permit soon and want to get a HD 12gauge. I have a 870 now, love it, its flawless but I want the tactical look. Since my father bought me the 870 im going to keep it stock. Im liking the mossberg 500 but am wondering if I can buy them setup tactical. Do I have to buy the mag extension and for end separate after buying the actual gun?

hogdogs
September 4, 2009, 09:44 AM
The 500 will not accept a mag extension due to barrel lug design. It is available in a 20 or 22 inch model with a 7+1 capacity. You will be stuck with that barrel as they are not producing hunting barrels for it. The "tackykewl" market is hot right now so expect high 3 hundred to 400 for a new 500 in that variety. IMHO, if I wanted a tackycool set up, I would buy the field gun, sell the barrel for 65-85 bucks and order an 18.5 inch for under 100. The wooden stocks look best to me, even for a tacky gun.
The 500 is best serving you if you keep a standard style rear stock. It keeps your hands in best position to operate the safety and slide release. Looking mean in static condition is okay but in the kinetic/aggressive stance, the mean/tactical cool factor is many flaming muzzle flashes sending lead to the exact spot you choose so that rules out the PGO.
Brent

Hank15
September 4, 2009, 11:34 AM
You'd save a lot of time and money if you just buy a 590.

kx592
September 4, 2009, 11:39 AM
Ok, Yea i just like the 500's reputation so I figured I would start with that..I like the 590 also but can I buy one with this setup? https://policeguns.com/catalog/images/50660.jpg Looks perfect for what i was going to add to the 500 anyway. Whats the average of a 590 like that?

Also hows the 590 perform? any reviews on them would be great

inSight-NEO
September 4, 2009, 05:12 PM
My 590 (8+1) arrived exactly as the shotgun pictured within the link you provided.

Since then, I have "converted" it to a 590A1 by replacing the heat shield barrel with a heavy walled one, the trigger assembly with an all metal setup (although, this is not really necessary..but, I felt it provided a better "feel" vs the standard plastic configuration) and the plastic safety w/a metal one (definately the most important "upgrade" out of the 3). In addition to all of this, I swapped the original front bead w/a Meprolight tritium unit.

While I did like the look of the heat shield barrel, I preferred having the structural integrity the HW barrel provides (even though it probably isnt really an issue). Regardless, since this SG is mainly for HD use and is my most often fired shotgun, I felt the stronger barrel justified a bit of additional weight. The heat shield barrel is now in storage...as a backup if needed.

One thing to note, sometimes these Mossberg guns have issues w/the stock mag tube spring/follower. I experienced this firsthand on my first outing with the gun. However, upon replacing the stock spring with a Wolff "generic" spring (which you can cut/fit yourself) and a Vang Comp follower, I have had no issues whatsoever. Regardless of whether you go with a 500 or 590, I would strongly suggest upgrading the spring and follower...if nothing else.

Now, one more thing I noticed, I was getting a bit of snag while directly feeding ammo into the tube. It turned out that the elevator needed a bit of polishing in order to smooth things out. No problem. A bit of fine grit sandpaper and a few minutes took care of this.

After a bit of "tweaking," I can honestly say that for me, even when compared to my Benelli SuperNova Tactical, this 590 is a SG I have total confidence in and do not regret buying one bit. To tell you the truth, the only thing I regret is not buying a 590A1 right from the start. At least where I buy my weapons at, the cost differential between the "standard" 590 vs. the 590A1 is nominal at best.

After all is said and done, I would opt for the 590A1 if I were you. But, if you insist on the 500, well...thats not a bad choice either.

Either way, the main reason(s) I went with the 590 would be as follows: 1. stronger, more useful feature-set vs. the 500 and 2. the safety location (as compared to most other shotguns). To comment on this last point- I dont care what anyone will tell you, IMHO, having the safety button located on top of the receiver is faster and provides much quicker feedback, in terms of safety status, than the "usual" setup ever could. At least for HD purposes, this alone is worth its weight in gold.

kx592
September 4, 2009, 05:27 PM
Thanks for the info thats exactly what I was looking for. Ill look into the A1 model ;)

inSight-NEO
September 4, 2009, 05:42 PM
Thanks for the info thats exactly what I was looking for. Ill look into the A1 model

Good choice. My next SG will be a "true" 590A1 vs. a "converted" 590. This should save me, ohh...$200+. ;)

BTW- I would look into the 20" (8+1) model w/front bead sight. Yes, its a bit heavy, but its a tank which requires no additional mag extensions. However, there is also the (I believe) 5+1 model which should be a bit lighter off the bat. If you go with the shorter tube/barrel version and decide on an extension at a later time, I might suggest the Nordic Components +2 extension. Its a bit expensive, but its one of the finest crafted extensions out there...and its aluminum, so the additional weight would mainly come from ammo vs. the extension itself. But, as I mentioned before, I opted for the 20" 8+1 so as to avoid having to worry about additional ammo storage issues.


Feel absolutely free to PM me if you have any further questions. Ill do what I can to help you out. :)

Lee Lapin
September 6, 2009, 09:25 AM
Buy a spare 18- 20" barrel for the 870 you have, and spend some money on training, practice and ammo. How you run the gun you have matters a whole lot more than how that gun 'looks.'

Unless all you plan to shoot are pictures of the gun, that is...

lpl

hogdogs
September 6, 2009, 09:55 AM
Actually, the gun in the posted link is not a 500, it is a 590;) The barrel lug and mag tube "cap" rather than screw is the give away...
Brent

kx592
September 6, 2009, 10:00 AM
Im good with my 870 but its the only gun i have and when shooting skeet ofr 25min alternating people on one gun makes it very hot very quickly..Thats why i want another..But i would like a more tactical looking gun for fun and just as another gun to cycle around at the ranges

got_the_itch
September 6, 2009, 11:39 AM
I feel the love for an 870, which is why I feel compelled to show you this.... The 870 Knoxx Tactical!

http://sgcusa.com/Shotguns-Remington/c86_218/p3123/Remington-870-Knoxx-Tactical/product_info.html

A buddy of my brothers has one of these, we were out at "Bald Mountain" DNR range here in Oakland county shooting it one day. You talk about a blast to shoot! And the heads it turned when pulling it out, it was sick! Ran a dozen or so 00 and, the same in some hot defense slugs. I only have one thing too say! w00t!!!

inSight-NEO
September 6, 2009, 05:44 PM
Buy a spare 18- 20" barrel for the 870 you have, and spend some money on training, practice and ammo. How you run the gun you have matters a whole lot more than how that gun 'looks.'

He could do this, but maybe this gentleman is interested in variety...nothing wrong with that. And absolutely nothing wrong with going with a 590A1(vs. others within the 500 series). ;) After all, there is life (and features and reliability and so on..) beyond the much lauded 870. :)

Of course, the training, practice and ammo suggestion should go without saying (unfortunately, sometimes it does not).

Besides, it sounds like the OP wants something beyond the "stock" look (not just a mere barrel swap). So, why not keep the "flawless" 870 as it is and do the "tactical" thing with an entirely different weapon? Sounds reasonable to me.

kx592
September 6, 2009, 11:19 PM
^^^^^^^^^^^^Thank you for understanding my point ;) Im gonna be going to cabelas in the AM to check out there mossberg line and if they have what im looking for ill be walking out with a new toy, ill be sure to update :D

Huntinfool
September 7, 2009, 02:13 AM
I picked up a new Benelli Supernova 12 gauge Tactical today. $475.00 out the door!

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v478/Huntinfool7/Miss%20Guns/silo_4000_snova_12_syn_pistol_defen.jpg

Thanks,
~HF~

kx592
September 7, 2009, 10:38 AM
Well fellas I got my self a 590A1 8+1 12ga. Shes a beast cant wait to take her to the range :rolleyes: thanks for the advice, i feel good about this one...All said and done it was 585.00 Which was not to pricy but not cheapest

mp25ds4
September 7, 2009, 11:35 AM
i would get a 590 a1
the military uses them if that says anything

kx592
September 7, 2009, 01:33 PM
Thing definitely has more punch than the 870 but is very hard to shoot skeet with :p I looked like a fool but its fun trying.

inSight-NEO
September 7, 2009, 05:45 PM
Thing definitely has more punch than the 870 but is very hard to shoot skeet with I looked like a fool but its fun trying.

Congrats on your new purchase...its a nice gun. Again, when you can, I would look into replacing the stock mag tube spring with a Wolff heavy duty "generic" spring, then cut and shape it as necessary (PM me if you need guidance on this one). Also, I might consider replacing the stock follower with a Vang Comp stainless follower.

In terms of the skeet thing - The 590A1, particularly the 8+1, is a heavy gun, so the "swing" may take a bit of getting used to. But, it is manageable, so keep at it.

Either way, this gun is ideal for HD use. This is why I bought mine and this is why I will continue to use it for many, many years to come.

kx592
September 7, 2009, 06:00 PM
Yea I know its not a skeet gun thats not why i bought it but its the only range i went to today so i figured why not put a few shells through it. I also maxed out the tube with 8 shells and i didn't have any issues, worked flawlessly. How often will it give me problems if i don't replace the spring? And whats the follower do?

inSight-NEO
September 7, 2009, 06:29 PM
How often will it give me problems if i don't replace the spring? And whats the follower do?

It depends. See, the Mossberg spring is tapered at both ends which can invite feeding issues...if not now, then later. Replacing it with a "straight" spring minimizes the chances of failure, IMHO. In terms of the follower, it lies between the spring and ammo and is responsible for (with the spring providing push) feeding the ammo on to the elevator and keeping the mag spring "in check." From there, of course, the ammo is fed into the chamber. If the follower/tube spring binds in any way, then you will experience a misfeed or jam.

The follower I recommended is a bit deeper than the original follower, but it is not so deep as to hamper capacity all that much as some other aftermarket followers tend to do.

Let me put it this way...The first time I shot my 590 I experienced 2 or 3 misfeeds. When I got home and proceeded breaking the weapon down, I noticed that the mag tube spring was contorted and bent all to h*ll. Upon replacing the stock spring and follower, I have yet to experience one failure after 200+ rounds.

Now, Im not suggesting you run out and replace this stuff right away. But, its just something you should be aware of...particularly is this gun is to serve HD duty one day.

kx592
September 7, 2009, 07:01 PM
Im surprised they havent fixed this from the factory since its a popular weapon. Ill look around for parts thanks for the info..Whats all involved in replacing?

hogdogs
September 7, 2009, 07:33 PM
The tapered spring is am improved design. It allows 2 identical length springs to compress differently. A symmetrical spring needs a bit more room to be compressed. The tapered one compresses into a shorter space.

The issue with the mossberg spring seems to have been a bad batch of springs or a bad installer. Either way, it was a very short lived issue.
Brent

kx592
September 7, 2009, 07:46 PM
Im gonna leave it how it is untill it happens. BUT also the model i got has a cool stock that holds shells on both sides but inside the stock on a spring so they pop out quick. Anyone know how many i can shove down each side?

hogdogs
September 7, 2009, 07:53 PM
Likely it is 2 or 3 in each side... Shove them in and see.
The spring is likely not going to fail as I stated it was short lived. we heard of a few failures on TFL in the past but it was all in a short time frame and no new reports of failure since.
Brent

kx592
September 7, 2009, 08:13 PM
It felt tight and i didnt want to force with out someones info first..OK thanks for all the help fellas ;)

inSight-NEO
September 8, 2009, 09:23 PM
The tapered spring is am improved design.

Im not sure about this one. It seems to me like this would allow for somewhat sloppy tolerances. Maybe I (along with many others) simply received a "bad batch of springs," but Im somewhat dubious about this. Sure, the tapered design may help in terms of capacity, but is it reliable for the long term? Again, Im not so sure.

Dont get me wrong, I definitely like the Mossberg platform (particularly the 590), but like anything else, it does have a few weak spots. To me the spring/follower they use just happens to be one of them. The elevator could use a bit of "finessing" as well, but I wont get into that one (Ive taken care of that myself).

Regardless, replacing the spring, if nothing else, is cheap insurance against such related issued. A few bucks and a few minutes is all that is required. Ditto on the somewhat shallow follower.

In relating to your question about the stock (it is essentially a Speedfeed 1 stock), the capacity is 2 rounds per side (assuming 2 3/4" loads). One caveat, Im not sure if they have improved the design since I bought my gun, but I noticed that unless you keep the buttstock "chamber" loaded to full capacity (2 rounds), then the round may pop out during recoil. Its weird, but it happens...at least to me.

hogdogs
September 8, 2009, 09:42 PM
Consider this... the tapered section will fit inside the coils as it compresses. The symmetrical spring will have a tendency to actually bind as the coils compress.
Yes I feel it was just a bad batch of springs but I also feel that if a man is not 100% comfortable in his gear, he needs to make the needed changes...
Brent

inSight-NEO
September 8, 2009, 09:46 PM
Consider this... the tapered section will fit inside the coils as it compresses. The symmetrical spring will have a tendency to actually bind as the coils compress.
Yes I feel it was just a bad batch of springs but I also feel that if a man is not 100% comfortable in his gear, he needs to make the needed changes...

I have considered this...but as a benefit to capacity only. Once the spring is compressed/uncompressed, it seems as if this design leaves a bit more room for binding/loss in tolerance(s). I have experienced this firsthand. Im not making this stuff up.

As a "for instance," I noticed, upon cleaning the weapon prior to shooting it for the first time, the tapered spring tended to "slide" around a bit more when mated to the follower (as well as the spring retention cap) vs. the more "traditional" springs used in other shotguns I own. It just seemed to me, at the time, that this "slipping" was a possible invitation to binding/misfeed issues.

Sure, in theory it may be a nice idea, but in reality, isnt it possible that this design just may not be ideal? I could be wrong here and will admit it if I am. But, if this tapered design was the "stuff" then Im assuming others would adopt it as well, no? Now, I will always stand by my belief that Mossberg has implemented many useful "against the norm" features within their shotguns. In fact, it is some of these very features that continue to draw me to their guns...the 590 line in particular. But, even the best miss the mark from time to time.

BTW- I am now 200% comfortable with my 590 (upon going with a Wolff spring and Vang Comp follower) as I now have over 500 rounds through this gun without one failure. With the stock setup I experienced 3 failures within one hour. Later on, when I brought the gun home and stripped it for cleaning, I discovered that the factory spring had literally bent back into itself. Crazy yes, but true.

Either way, Im not suggesting the OP run right out and replace this stuff right away. If his gun works as is, then thats a good thing indeed. After all, "if it aint broke, dont fix it"...as the saying goes. However, making him aware of such issues, should they rear their ugly head, is something I just felt inclined to do.

got_the_itch
September 8, 2009, 10:23 PM
And to think that 870 Knoxx Tac was just callin all your names! :D