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serf 'rett
August 28, 2009, 12:29 PM
Bollocks! I just plowed through 5-1/2 pages of posts, Carrying into friend/acquaintances' homes (http://www.thefiringline.com/forums/showthread.php?t=373255), and thought I was going to get to ask my questions. The thread was closed less than an hour ago. My concealed carry paperwork has been filed with Arkansas State Police and I expect to get a license within 0 to 120 days. I have been trying to figure out how to handle Arkansas Code “(D) Any licensee entering a private home shall notify the occupant that the licensee is carrying a concealed handgun.” The great State of Arkansas requires me to tell private homeowner Jack or Jill I’m carrying and the mentioned thread indicated Alaska and SC have similar laws. As a green-as-a-gourd newbie I had hoped to get some pointers on how to handle this legal requirement without becoming a hermit. I read many comments about “picking your friends”, whether one should or should not carry unannounced and "my home, my rules" on the mentioned thread, so we can skip most of that discussion. Since I’m required to “notify the occupant”, anybody got some hints, suggestions or definite “do not do that’s”? While I'm socially active, I'm somewhat of a private person in my private affairs, so how do I broach the subject and ask permission of friends, neighbors or acquaintances?

Kyo
August 28, 2009, 12:33 PM
"can I carry in your house?" sounds simple enough.

peejman
August 28, 2009, 12:53 PM
TN has a similar law. It's called "concealed" carry for a reason.... but beyond that, I'd guess you already know how your various friends might feel about you bringing your firearm into their home. If you're not sure, just ask. If you want to be subtle about it, try starting a casual conversation on the general topic of firearms and go from there. I don't go into many random people's homes so it's really not a big deal.

Phoebe
August 28, 2009, 01:29 PM
Peej, it seems like you could be subtle in most places, but if there is an actual law against, without permission, you need to be more explicit.

I don't know if there is any more graceful way than to just tell the person you may visit, that you carry and ask if it's okay to carry in their home.

In other states, I'd assume a more subtle conversation is just as respectful even if it might not so explictly dot the i's, etc.

(Translation: if someone lets me know that they often/sometimes/rarely carry, that is a data point in the back of my mind and if I want to inquire further, I can. But I don't think my state mandates telling me and I don't think that subtle convo would legally cover you.)

Glenn E. Meyer
August 28, 2009, 01:33 PM
We don't want to do the values argument again if you don't have to call. If you are legally bound

I suggest if you know you are going - call them and ask explictly. If you are in one of these states and just arrive and don't know the person - leave it in the car. I can see a world of weirdenss if you announce at the door that you have a gun.

Or don't go there.

wally626
August 28, 2009, 01:36 PM
The best time to ask permission is when you are asked and not when you get to the front door. Someone calls and says, "come over to dinner Friday," you can respond, "Thanks for the invite, by the way I normally carry a concealed handgun, would you have any problem with me carrying in your house"? If they say "no problem" you're good to go, if they say, I would rather you didn't bring a gun into my house" then you can considered if you want to go or not, or leave it the car while you are there.

Maromero
August 28, 2009, 01:38 PM
I can see a world of weirdenss if you announce at the door that you have a gun.

LMAO

Just use comon scence, courtesy and be prudent.

sakeneko
August 28, 2009, 01:54 PM
But I don't think my state mandates telling me and I don't think that subtle convo would legally cover you.

Right both times. The state of Nevada does not mandate volunteering the information that you carry even to a police officer unless the police officer specifically asks you if you are carrying. Then you need to tell him and also, when asked, show him your CCW permit. In Nevada, you are not legally obligated to tell anybody who is not a sworn officer of the law or the court that you are carrying. The law is different in other states, however. If I were not absolutely sure what the law said in a state and a policeman stopped me or was talking to me officially, I would show the policeman my CCW with my driver's license or other ID. I would also answer truthfully if any business or homeowner asked when I was entering their business or home, and if I were unsure of the law in a particular state, would volunteer the information.

Good manners may also mean you should tell somebody that you aren't legally obligated to tell. I'd definitely tell a friend whom I knew to be uncomfortable with guns that I was carrying before I visited them at home or entered their car. I'd also tell a friend that I knew wanted to be told in any circumstance where I suspected the friend would want to know. (You, for instance, except that you'd already know or guess.) ;-) Other than that, though, if I were carrying concealed, I would probably answer nosey questions from people who had no reason to ask with something politely non-committal. There's being truthful, and then there's TMI (too much information).

Daugherty16
August 28, 2009, 03:44 PM
Good question. I vote for being direct, and not waiting until you're standing in their doorway. That way you get to any discomfort right away, without being on their turf or in their house, or you get the green light. Either way, you should know how they stand before you're on their premises. that's my 2 cents.

But the first question might be, how do i tell my (spouse,BF/GF,etc) that i'm now carrying. If you have neither, then there is no issue, and you can vett prospective partners beforehand. But if you do have one now, have you considered how they will view it, what their comfort level will be, and how they will react when you jump into bed wearing nothing but your shoulder holster and your birthday suit.

I speak from experience - my wife is uncomfortable around guns and prefers not to see them or know when i'm carrying. She understands why i have them and why i wear one, but wants no part of it. It's a wonder the marriage has survived, considering she feels i took these steps on my own (which i did) without consulting her (which i didn't) though i did inform her what i was doing. And then there is the cost of each new gun you've just got to have... Just saying, it would have been better if i'd established some ground rules before jumping in, considering how much more important that relationship is than any other friendship.

serf 'rett
August 28, 2009, 04:43 PM
Kyo – your line "can I carry in your house?" really struck my funny bone. I can see the funny stare as I'm asked, “Carry what?” Envision the church’s soon-to-be-ex-deacon (me) getting the “carry what?” response from the 70+ year old lady when we drop by to pray for her sick husband. Or she may say, “Sure, deacon ‘rett, iffin’ you didn’t care(y) ya’ll wouldn’t have stopped by now, would ya?”
Kayla - you are correct. Way the AR law reads is I must tell when entering a private home – casual conversation might be an ice breaker, but ultimately I need express permission to enter while carrying (does no permission make me an armed intruder?).
Glenn M – The weirdness I’ve encountered from a few friends and other folks when “mentioning” I was “thinking” about carrying concealed is plenty enough to convince me that I don’t want to “announce at the door.” And I must say that some of the weirdness is a tad scary (some unfocused gun lovin’ rednecks give me the bejeebers more than a Brady liberal).
Wally – somewhat of a laid back life style down South. I’m used to dropping in on folks uninvited and unannounced. Appears I’ll need to re-orient my life style more than just mentally moving to Condition Yellow. Shoot, when I tell some folks I have a handgun on me, they are likely to ramp into Condition Yellow themselves.
Sakeneko – You caused another question to come to mind. I don’t think AR law says squat about getting in someone’s vehicle. I’m in sales; therefore, it’s quite common for me to jump into a customer’s vehicle to go look at something. That’s something else I’ll need to mull over.
Daughtery16 – Wife asked me last night, “are you through with all that gun stuff yet?” She’s aware – Springfield XD-m9, MRI Baby Eagle 40S&W, ammo, CC class, CC application, more ammo, etc., etc. :eek:– I could tell she was approaching Condition Red, so I performed a clearance drill by tapping my head, racking my brain, ejecting some empty thought and clearing out. She’ll probably settle down when I stop spending. She ok with the idea, but since I don’t carry yet, I’m not sure how she will react when I start. I do some marriage counseling part time, which might help….
Thanks for the responses ladies and gents! Anyone from Alaska or South Carolina or elsewhere got a war story of how they informed a casual acquaintance?

Coverbuster
August 28, 2009, 07:29 PM
Only hang out with gunpeople . If the people you hang out with wont let you carry or dont like it they are not worth hanging around .

Imaging this :

You ask Joe Home Owner if you can carry , he says yea sure . half way into the evening some tard you hardly know get cocky with you , why cause Joe HoMowner has been running his mouth ..........................that you have a weapon .

Now what ??

Dont ask dont tell , Clinton had one thing right .

Phoebe
August 28, 2009, 08:06 PM
'rett, you're a hoot! You better practice those tap, rack, and urm...marital counseling exercises.

Either that or tell your wife that you think gun toting women are hot, and then take her shooting with you!

Dwight55
August 28, 2009, 08:38 PM
As a pastor, . . . I know there are times and places and people where both the Bible and/or CCW are not welcome discussions, . . . depending on where one is and who happens to be present.

When the problem is CCW, . . . I simply unholster and go in without the thing until I know for sure that it will be as welcome as myself.

Most of my congregation either are fond of guns or actually have their CHL's, . . . so most of the time it is not a problem.

I do, however, respect the sheeple attitude of my youngest brother and both of my sisters, . . . I don't carry in their houses. Butttttttttttt, . . . it is in the car or the Jeep just outside, . . . and that is the way I handle others of whom I don't know their attitude.

I generally steer the discussion in that direction if I don't know, . . . listen for either positive or negative feedback and act accordingly. It's really easy, once you've done it a couple of times.

May God bless,
Dwight

Shane Tuttle
August 28, 2009, 10:02 PM
Only hang out with gunpeople . If the people you hang out with wont let you carry or dont like it they are not worth hanging around .

I don't choose friends based solely on the premise they have to have the same beliefs I do.

sakeneko
August 29, 2009, 01:03 PM
I don't choose friends based solely on the premise they have to have the same beliefs I do.

Well said. And too many people do these days, which leads to a lot of people talking past each other and never understanding *why* they think differently about different things. That's dysfunctional, in the purest sense of the word -- it gets in the way of a community functioning.

Where guns are concerned, it's a pity to avoid the people who are afraid of them for a couple of reasons. First, there's the simple advantage of knowing what fear of guns looks like and how it affects people. In the case of a mugging or public attack, knowing this may save your life or let you save someone else's. Second, there's the opportunity to help someone get over an irrational fear by letting them be around a sane, reasonable individual who owns and shoots guns. Every non-criminal, non-crazy person out there who owns and uses guns is a living argument against banning them or significantly restricting their use by law-abiding, sane adults.

kraigwy
August 29, 2009, 01:22 PM
Oh I have a pistol in my pocket, I hope it dosnt bother you

Glenn E. Meyer
August 29, 2009, 01:48 PM
Mae West - No, I'm just disappointed. :D

curt.45
August 29, 2009, 06:18 PM
can I carry in your house


all the beer you want, but you have to share with me.

sure unless it's nicer than mine.

carry who?

AmmoSphere
August 29, 2009, 06:35 PM
Why would you feel the need to carry to a friends house? What are you worried about?:eek:

Don H
August 29, 2009, 06:48 PM
Ever hear of home invasions? Somebody being attacked between the front door and their car? It does happen. Unfortunately, one can't predict these sorts of things and only carry when you know you're going to need it.

mskdgunman
August 29, 2009, 06:51 PM
It's not necessarily the need to carry in a friends house, it's simply the fact that at least for me, I have a firearm on me everywhere I go so, if I'm out and stop by a friends house I'm carrying. All of my friends just assume that I'm armed and it has NEVER been an issue. I can't even think of a time when it has been brought up.

To me, it's a non issue. If I'm carrying the right way, no one will know unless they pat me down at the door. It's like the whole "Don't ask, don't tell" thing. Also, I don't have any friends who are rabidly anti gun as well as a few who, if I should show up without a gun, they'll give me one :D

Nnobby45
August 29, 2009, 06:52 PM
"can I carry in your house?" sounds simple enough.


I might be inclined to prep my friends in advance, where possible, and let them know I carry and if it would be a problem. Where lesser acquaintences are concerned, rather than let everyone know I carry, I might prefer to leave the gun secured in my car. This for states where notification is a requirement.

Otherwise, In my state, Nevada, I'm not in the habit of announcing that I'm armed no matter where I go. There could be exceptions where I would disarm myself in their home out of respect if I knew their feelings.

There are simply some people I specifically don't want to know that I'm armed, even if I should find myself in their house for whatever reason. I've carried since 1995 around the same people for all these years, and, except for a select few, they haven't the slightest clue. Confide in the wrong person, and everyone knows you're armed.

Just my thoughts on the matter.

Trigger Finger
August 29, 2009, 06:52 PM
I am curious! Does this rule or law apply to a police officer off duty or retired? Does it circumvent H.R. 218, the Law Enforcement Officers Safety Act?

I normally don't ask and don't tell.

TailGator
August 29, 2009, 07:46 PM
Why would you feel the need to carry to a friends house? What are you worried about?

If I worried about my friends, they wouldn't be my friends. But can you tell me what I am going to encounter walking too and from my car, and on the drive to and from that neighborhood, and everything else during that day? Me neither.

pax
August 29, 2009, 11:01 PM
Why would you feel the need to carry to a friends house? What are you worried about?

We just did that thread -- and it's still near the top of the forum page, plus it's linked in the opening post of this one, so feel free to go read up a bit. (And let me point out, that thread is closed ...)

Let's keep this one on topic with its opening question, please.

pax

kraigwy
August 30, 2009, 12:35 PM
I am curious! Does this rule or law apply to a police officer off duty or retired? Does it circumvent H.R. 218, the Law Enforcement Officers Safety Act?

NO

And I agree with you, don't ask dont tell, concealed is concealed, if some one knows your carrying, it isnt concealed. Even my wife forgets until she hears the clunking in the washer cause she didnt check my pants.

But for the First Question, ref HR218. There was a court case, about HR 218 in conflict with state laws. SD tried to charge a visiting cop from another state for having a gun in a bar. I wont go into the shooting part or dispute with a MC gang member, thats been hashed over in all the gun sites. But regarding the bill itself, the cop was in a bar with his pistol, SD law prohibits carrying a gun in liquer establishments. (The cop wasnt drunk). The jugde ruled that the word NOTWITHSTANDING, means just that, or WITHOUT REGARD FOR STATE LAW. In other words state laws dont apply. HR218 does mention the officer carrying can not be intoxicated, and this cop wasn't. There was no question that the shooting was ligit, they just tried to go after the cop for having a gun in a bar.

I dont know if SD has a law require you to inform peope when you visit, WY dosnt. But the above would apply there too based on that case.

Trigger Finger
August 30, 2009, 02:29 PM
Thanks for the info kraigwy. Good to know!

AmmoSphere
August 30, 2009, 02:44 PM
Assuming it doesn't fall out of your pants or holster I guess it would be alright. But how funny would that be if you had a revolver slide down your pants mid covo?:D

serf 'rett
August 31, 2009, 06:08 PM
Why would you feel the need to carry to a friend’s house? What are you worried about?Actually, pax, the question from Ammosphere has a connection to my problem of getting permission. Within the past few weeks I’ve hung out with assorted folks, including a preacher, teacher and drug dealer. I’m not very concerned about the preacher, because generally they are a trustworthy bunch, choosing to fleece folks only by persuasion and passing the plate. I know where I stand with the teacher from the far left side because I heard her say many times, “A handgun is only for shooting PEOPLE!” But, hey, I can’t just dump my relationship with her; I wouldn’t even be here if she hadn’t carried me for nine months and gone through the pain of labor to land me on planet earth. The drug dealer is a different story. (In case you are wondering, as a Bible thumper, I was “selling” not buying.)
I can backtrack to last November to answer Ammosphere’s question. My wife and I were visiting a good friend, when in comes her 18 year old daughter with three boys in tow. All four of the young folks were users, appeared to have partaken of substances prior to their arrival, and the gal’s dealer boy friend is strongly suspected of breaking into vehicles to support his life style (making the “leave handgun in the car” a poor choice). I was never worried as nothing happened at that time to cause worry; however, the potential existed for a problem (side note: About six months ago, the daughter and drug dealer were involved in an encounter in which the other “team” had brought baseball equipment. The dealer was in the hospital a few days. The 18 year old daughter, who was also beat up, made a poor choice in responding to that conflict. She was recently booked for DWI, drug possession along with being a minor carrying a concealed weapon (handgun) in a federal park. That will certainly ruin a camping trip! Pax, I hope you don’t string me up for the long winded answer, but the brief history lays a little background for the original question of –
“How to ask permission?”
The mom is one of our best friends; therefore, we will be in her home and I will need to get permission if I’m to carry while visiting.
While I understand some folks choose to only hang with those of like mind, I won’t be going that route - conformity can be boring, too many minds like my mind might be scary and I choose to be engaged in society because I believe society can be changed one person at a time. That belief leads me to associate with all types of folks, some of whom may vehemently disagree with me in the subject of firearms in general. If I’m going to carry habitually, then AR law indicates I must have permission to enter their private residence while carrying. There appear to be a few recommendations that I conceal and say nothing; however, I can’t stay within the law by following a “don’t ask, don’t tell” mode of operation.
Perhaps my original question was to general or maybe I should have given a few more details.
1. I’ve never carried concealed, so this is uncharted territory for me. The State of Arkansas is not making it easy to transition to concealed carry given my current lifestyle, which I happen to enjoy.
2. To the best of my knowledge, none of my friends or acquaintances carries concealed, so it might be uncharted for them also. How will they react? And are there ways to mitigate a negative reaction from them?
3. Few folks would even suspect I could shoot a handgun, much less actually own one. Surprise! For extra affect I now get to ask them, “Can I come in and sit on your couch with my hidden handgun?”
4. I’m not liking the mental picture of asking my conservative cohorts, but I’m really in a quandary about the more liberal clan. Perhaps my question should have zeroed in on asking permission of an antigun person or one with unknown leanings. Is it a waste of time or worth the effort in those cases?
It seems like I’ve got a heap of homework to take care of before the permit arrives.

thesecond
September 1, 2009, 01:12 AM
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poptime
September 1, 2009, 08:19 AM
Host a party to celebrate your new CPL. Send out invites.

"Dear Friends,
You are cordially invited to a party to help me celebrate the arrival of my Concealed Pistol License, at which time I will begin to exercise my Second Ammendment rights and responsibilities as a US citizen."

With this invitation, each recipient has been informed that you carry, in writing, so your legal obligations have been met. You can reword it as you see fit.

Buzzcook
September 1, 2009, 12:45 PM
The drug dealer is a different story. (In case you are wondering, as a Bible thumper, I was “selling” not buying.)

The cross or the sword eh?

Would you refuse to proselytize if you couldn't wear a gun?

Trigger Finger
September 1, 2009, 02:35 PM
Some people choose to associate with all kinds of questionable individuals and feel somewhat comfortable going into there houses! Then they feel the need to provide a very long winded explanation as to there behavior.
To each his or her own but use some common sense! :confused:

serf 'rett
September 2, 2009, 10:35 AM
Got a kick out of the following from poptime: Host a party to celebrate your new CPL. Send out invites."Dear Friends,
You are cordially invited to a party to help me celebrate the arrival of my Concealed Pistol License…”, but was wondering if that would make my new permit into a Revealed Pistol License? And should I pass out the “You Have Permission to Pack in My Home” sign-off page at the start of the party or the end?
Buzzcook: The cross or the sword eh? Actually, Buzz, the sword ain’t been working to good lately, ergo, the reason for the upgrade. I guess my sword looks more like a pen knife. To answer the question “would you..?” I’d say, have been for over thirty w/o heavy artillery.
Trigger Finger: Yeah, I’m long winded; seems to naturally happen to some folks as they get older - “don’t ask the old geezer or you’ll never get him to shut up!” :D The point of the November story was the arrival of the druggies was unexpected (I neglected to mention that said daughter lived with grandparents). Common sense, alertness and “don’t be/do stupid...” should be required for anyone touching a firearm or edged implement.

serf 'rett
September 2, 2009, 11:28 AM
I expect someone will eventually wonder why this Arkansas ignoramus doesn’t just ask range buddies how they handle the AR regulations. Well, I shoot at a private range, The Creek Bank, and have never popped a cap at a “real” range in the state. An internet search shows the nearest gun club is 56 miles away while the nearest public range is 78 miles. Well that’s a bummer! While I like the dues/fees of $0.00/year at The Creek Bank and can shoot there any time that the farmer is not working the fields, I may need to make a pilgrimage to a real range.

Mr. James
September 2, 2009, 01:28 PM
I should think anyone as . . . loquacious as you would have no trouble finding words to ask! :D

That requirement for affirmative permission to enter does create some potential for weirdness. I would definitely try to get the okay ahead of time, maybe offering the briefest of explanations that you have a permit, you're an upstanding citizen, taxpayer, thoroughly trained in martial arts, a lazer-accurate shooter, and well-mannered and darned good lookin', too.

lockedcj7
September 2, 2009, 04:32 PM
I live in SC and would face this dilemma if I had any friends. (that's a joke) I actually have two. (not a joke) Both are staunch advocates of the second amendment, both know I carry and they carry as well.

Other than that, I don't just wind up at people's houses unexpectedly. If I'm invited to an event , and I know them well enough to actually go, I generally know their feelings on CCW. If I think it's going to be sketchy, I don't go. If there is a chance of sketchiness, I carry discretely. If there is little or no chance of sketchiness and I know they wouldn't approve, I don't carry.

Phoebe
September 2, 2009, 07:07 PM
I love the idea of a party announcement!

Serf' I'm dealing with my own set of weirdnesses while waiting for my permit too. It's a mind shift, isn't it?

serf 'rett
September 2, 2009, 09:31 PM
have a permit, you're an upstanding citizen, taxpayer, thoroughly trained in martial arts, a lazer-accurate shooter, and well-mannered and darned good lookin', too
Well I qualified on one out of list of seven – I paid my taxes. Maybe Mr. James will give me a few points for being a voting citizen, reading a chapter or two on judo, accurate out to 3 feet and only using my personal car keys to clean my ears should get a point or two on the manners target.
Lockedcj7 weighs in with Excellent Advice from one who lives in another state with weird laws like AR. Thanks!
Kayla: Hyperspace mind shifting. How are things working out for you in dealing with friends and family? Have you been talking with folks?

dav
September 4, 2009, 06:07 PM
This is a thought provoking thread! CCW is very uncommon here in California (most parts). Very hard to get if you are not "connected".

So, at the annual poker game my high school buddies get together for, the subject of handguns came up. Someone turns to the deputy chief of police and asks "So, are you carrying?". His response "it's out in the car". Probably true, but possibly just a soothing response. I was not carrying. I still don't know if "carrying" would be welcome in this group. Next poker night is end of September, so I'm going to ask specifically.

And, everyone cross your fingers, California may have to allow CCW in the not too distant future (pending legal cases). I think I'll do that "send out announcements" thing when/if I can score one. :D

serf 'rett
September 17, 2009, 09:22 AM
If yesterday is any indicator, then the asking permission thing is going to be interesting. I thought I’d start by asking a good friend if I could carry in his home. I picked him as the first one to talk with because we eat lunch together at my house on the average of twice a week, he’s an avid hunter, highly trained martial arts instructor, he knows I’ve applied for concealed carry and I figured that he would be totally for concealed carry since we’ve had several previous discussion during the past few months.
Surprise! When it actually came down to me carrying in his home, he said if it was just him, his wife and daughter it was ok; however, if his young nephews or nieces were there, he would prefer that I wouldn’t carry because, “…accidents can happen, you know.”
Now that’s strange reasoning in my opinion. If you’re concerned about “accidents”, why would you endanger yourself, wife and daughter?

Mr. Davis
September 20, 2009, 09:15 PM
We handle this very directly.

When visiting friends, my wife just looks at me and screams "HE'S GOT A GUN!" at the top of her lungs. The friends make a weird face, assume they missed the joke, and let us in.

Problem solved. ;)

tighty whitey
September 20, 2009, 09:46 PM
you just might ask..."Can I bring my gun with me I'd really love to show it to you." (stated with lots of enthusiasm, of course)

JohnH1963
September 20, 2009, 10:21 PM
Whenever I do something that is not the right thing and someone else observes it, then it oftentimes gets back to others.

Anytime you do something that is against the law in front of someone else then expect to be told upon even if its people who you consider are "friends". The best advice is to follow the exact wording of the law. If you do not follow it, then someone can easily walk into the police station and sign a complaint against you.

Its best to inform them outright, show them the pistol and ask for permission to bring it inside. If you do anything less then you risk the police being called or a complaint being signed against you. The police will then let the judge sort it all out and oftentimes the judge is a lot less understanding then the police.

The best advice is not to bring it into a person's house who does not know you well and you shouldnt be entering a person's house unless you know them very well.

CorpITGuy
September 21, 2009, 01:34 PM
It's a stupid law. But the last poster hit the nail right on the head... if you don't know them very well, don't carry it in. If you know them well, they understand how you feel about guns and probably know you carry.

I'd never advise someone to break the law, but our law here in Arkansas is STUPID, and no one is actually going to "announce" they have a gun at the front door. :cool:

dav
September 21, 2009, 03:48 PM
And I rather strongly disagree with the "show it to them".

A gun in a holster is safe. A gun being handled is not. If it is a concealed carry piece, leave it concealed.


New thought: what about when you are real estate shopping? The owner is (usually) not even present. How do you ask for permission?

Beentown71
September 21, 2009, 08:17 PM
You can't ask...so I read that you can't carry there legally. Pretty straight forward.

Beentown

AZAK
September 22, 2009, 02:14 AM
Being that I carry pretty much on a daily basis, and that I am a hunter, and "outdoorsman", my friends pretty much know who I am.

Our state requires that you have permission to enter someone else's home when CCing.

Friends know that I walk, hike, travel, etc... CCing. (Note: the use of the term friends.) Therefore, no problems talking about bring a CCW into their homes; verbal permission granted.

On the occasion that I don't know them that well and they invite me in, I will stand outside the doorway and say something to the effect of, "Well, I was out hiking and have a handgun on me." (In a lot of Alaska, people do carry guns when out hiking - pretty normal behavior; possibly a bit different than say Anchorage, but can still use the same line there too.) Then they have their opportunity to decide where they want to take it from there.

So, I don't see it as that much of a problem. When I think about it in reverse, do I want an relative stranger to come into my house carrying without my knowledge? Not really. Especially if I find out, by observation or someone else telling me, before that person talks to me about it.

I personally have a very hard time leaving any firearm unattended in a vehicle. On the rare occasion that I must, I always take the mag (or rounds) with me; leaving it unloaded, and usually locked in a case out of sight, locked in the car.

I generally agree that concealed means "concealed"; however, common courtesy when entering another person's castle to let them know, and then they can decide.