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kraigwy
August 20, 2009, 10:07 PM
Stolen from another sight:

Bring a gun. Preferably two guns. Bring friends with guns.

Anything worth shooting is worth shooting twice.

Only hits count

The only thing worse than a miss is a slow miss.

If your shooting stance is good, you're not moving fast enough or using cover correctly.

If you can choose what to bring to a gunfight, bring a long gun and a friend with a long gun.

If you are not shooting, you should be communicating, reloading, or running.

Always cheat; Always win. The only unfair fight is the one you lose.

Have a plan.

Have a backup plan because the first one won't work.

Flank your advesary when possible and protect your own.

Decide to be aggressive ENOUGH, quickly ENOUGH.

The faster you finish the fight, the less shot you're going to get.

Someday someone may kill you with your own gun. Make sure they have to beat you to death with it because its empty.
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hogdogs
August 20, 2009, 10:20 PM
Kraigwy, Old but true...
The only thing I can add is... you are a dollar down if the opponent knows he is in a gun fight...
Keeping my friends close and enemies closer really sets the pace....
Brent

Kyo
August 20, 2009, 10:36 PM
I don't agree with keeping my enemies closer.

MLeake
August 20, 2009, 10:37 PM
... is to keep tabs on them. When you can't see what they are doing, they are more dangerous.

It doesn't mean you invite them over for fava beans and a nice chianti...

JohnKSa
August 20, 2009, 10:42 PM
First rule of gun fighting.

If you can avoid a gun fight then avoid it. There is no better possible outcome than being where bullets are not flying.

SRT
August 20, 2009, 10:56 PM
The Law sounds like the sage and vintage preaching of Brother Clint Smith!

BlackFeather
August 20, 2009, 10:59 PM
It doesn't mean you invite them over for fava beans and a nice chianti...

I disagree...:D

Nnobby45
August 20, 2009, 11:04 PM
First rule of gun fighting.

If you can avoid a gun fight then avoid it. There is no better possible outcome than being where bullets are not flying.
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That's true enough, but the training many of us have gone thru applies when avoidance is no longer an option, which is what, I believe, is the context for the above mentioned rules.

When you can't see what they are doing, they are more dangerous.



Yes, for example, in certain political situations, you make your chief political rival Secty of State and then strip her of power by appointing special representatives to handle those foreign affairs that would normally be her job. Brilliant move.:D

In other contexts, say, where there could be physical danger, you wouldn't want them near you.

Clever phrases don't always take different contexts into account.:cool:

Just my thoughts on the matter.

hogdogs
August 20, 2009, 11:14 PM
Okay, I can learn to eat "fava beans" like I never missed a plateful. Yep, i could eat boiled bat wings so long as it has my "enemies" gathered about. Serious as a bicuit and gravy heart attack... You gotta plan it out. Very few daily contact type folk know one tenth about me as ya'll TFL members... I mean this serious... I roll my eyes several times per day about me and my family...
Brent

MLeake
August 20, 2009, 11:40 PM
... but the "fava beans and a nice chianti" is what Hannibal Lecter chose to go with an enemy he ate for dinner.

Sorry, couldn't resist the joke.

Sefner
August 21, 2009, 08:33 AM
There is a set of motivationals with these :)

http://dsfv.schnuerpel.eu/rules/04.jpg

Here is link to the index:

http://dsfv.schnuerpel.eu/rules/

Madcap_Magician
August 21, 2009, 09:20 AM
First rule of gun fights is to be somewhere else when they start.

AirForceShooter
August 21, 2009, 09:36 AM
If you draw it, Shoot it.

AFS

OldMarksman
August 21, 2009, 11:22 AM
If you draw it, Shoot it.

Careful with that--someone may believe it.

Do not draw unless you are justified--state laws vary. Do not shoot unless the justification remains.

If the threat dissipates, do not shoot.

Back to the "rules"--they sound to me like a prescription for a tactical encounter by sworn professionals. A civilian may protect himself from imminent danger when immediately necessary, and in most places he or she may lawfully equip himself or herself to do it, but he is not permitted to "bring" a gun "to a gunfight."

The best strategy is non-attendance.

Failing that, the next step is to produce the weapon when and only when justified and very quickly.

If that does not work, shoot effectively before it's too late--again, assuming justification. Know the law and be able to shoot.

And do not hit anyone at whom you did not intend to aim.

Probably only the last two apply to sworn professionals engaging a miscreant already doing violent harm.

skidmark
August 21, 2009, 12:05 PM
"sight" is what you peer through to see if you have a chance of hitting it.

"site" is the place on the interwebs where you found whatever it is you were trying to tell us about.

This message has been brought to you by The Spelling Nazi. (See Rule 12)

stay safe.

skidmark

Double Naught Spy
August 21, 2009, 06:54 PM
The first rule of the rules or laws of gunfighting is that the rules are pretty much garbage, depending on one's situation. Most of the rules, aren't rules at all, but somebody's nifty little cutesy sayings.

Bring a gun. Preferably two guns. Bring friends with guns.
I ain't going if I know there is going to be a fight.

Anything worth shooting is worth shooting twice.
Let me get back with you after the OKC Pharmacy shooting matter is resolved.

Only hits count
No, misses are often quite effective but can't be relied upon to matter.

The only thing worse than a miss is a slow miss.
Not if you are talking about the bullets being shot at you.

If your shooting stance is good, you're not moving fast enough or using cover correctly.
Cute, but hardly true as alluded to in Sefner's post.

If you can choose what to bring to a gunfight, bring a long gun and a friend with a long gun.
Long guns are difficult to use effectively in extremely tight quarters and hence are not always the preferred best weapon.

If you are not shooting, you should be communicating, reloading, or running.
Complete nonsense, especially if you are outnumbered, behind cover, hiding, and out of ammo.

Always cheat; Always win. The only unfair fight is the one you lose.
The OKC Phramacist cheated. He ain't going to win battle even if he did "win" the fight.

Have a plan.
A nice general idea that hardly works for every situation.

Have a backup plan because the first one won't work.
Given changing circumstances, it is hard it enough to have 1 plan for every potential circumstance, much less two.

Flank your advesary when possible and protect your own.
If you are protecting one flank by yourself, then it is very tough to protect the other.

Decide to be aggressive ENOUGH, quickly ENOUGH.
This all depends on how bad the situation goes to hell.

The faster you finish the fight, the less shot you're going to get.
Not necessarily.

Someday someone may kill you with your own gun. Make sure they have to beat you to death with it because its empty.
That assumes you have correct and total control of the multiples of guns you were bringing to this fight as noted above. The more guns you bring, the more power you have but also the more power you must fight to keep within your realm of control.

This was added later...
If you draw it, Shoot it.
This is just an absolutely stupid statement.

Since the claim is being made that some of us can't avoid situations where there will be fights, then if there was going to be a first rule of a gun fight, I would say that it should be to NOT GET SHOT.

Edward429451
August 21, 2009, 07:37 PM
(Have you ever agreed with anyone about anything?):D

Damn. LOL.

w_houle
August 21, 2009, 07:59 PM
First rule of gun fighting.

If you can avoid a gun fight then avoid it. There is no better possible outcome than being where bullets are not flying.
I believe Sun Tsu said that there is nothing more difficult than armed conflict.

There is a set of motivationals with these:)
Just so long as you don't try to apply Rule #34 :p

kraigwy
August 21, 2009, 09:37 PM
I think too many missed the point of my post.

IT WAS POSTED AS A JOKE

Skan21
August 21, 2009, 10:42 PM
Don't worry man! I thought it was funny anyway. And I've actually BEEN in firefights, so I actually know how true most of those are. :)

Nnobby45
August 21, 2009, 11:04 PM
The first rule of the rules or laws of gunfighting is that the rules are pretty much garbage, depending on one's situation. Most of the rules, aren't rules at all, but somebody's nifty little cutesy sayings.


In order to criticize what was basically meant as humor, you've completely changed the context of many of the "rules"----to what purpose?

Dr Raoul Duke
August 21, 2009, 11:40 PM
This whole thing is "Mall Ninja" horse apples, because there are no "laws" or "rules" when it comes to a gun fight, other than the basic one of "have a gun". The rest is just silly.:)

Dr. Raoul Duke
Gonzo Forever

OldShooter
August 22, 2009, 12:10 AM
Kraigway, I got it of course and I've seen it posted before and enjoyed it every time. Some people take themselves way too seriously, no matter how many thousand posts they have to their credit.

Skan21
August 22, 2009, 12:29 AM
This whole thing is "Mall Ninja" horse apples, because there are no "laws" or "rules" when it comes to a gun fight, other than the basic one of "have a gun".

Not to beat on ya Doc, but that's not true. There really are rules. I've applied most of those rules. I just didn't know someone had made them "rules".

1. Bring a gun. Preferably two guns. Bring friends with guns.
In the Army, I was taught not to actually engage in a fight unless we outnumbered the enemy 3 to 1. Approximately of course. And everyone in my squad had guns. and lots of ammo. And generally a pointy steel thing, mine was a CRKT Ultima, just in case.

2.If your shooting stance is good, you're not moving fast enough or using cover correctly.
True. Covering fire is your friend, and I tried as hard as I could to stay un-perforated. I didn't set up perfectly every time. I mostly missed. But that's war.

3.If you can choose what to bring to a gunfight, bring a long gun and a friend with a long gun.
My M-4 was not overly long, and I effectively cleared houses with one. Same with a SAW. Long guns, unless you are in a crawl space, are your friends.

4.Decide to be aggressive ENOUGH, quickly ENOUGH.
Nov 19 2005. 2 soldiers died because we ignored this rule, once. We never did it again.

5.Always cheat; Always win. The only unfair fight is the one you lose.
If you ain't cheatin', you ain't tryin'. The guy who made this set of rules wasn't talking about a CCW cowboy. He was talking about combat.

6.Someday someone may kill you with your own gun. Make sure they have to beat you to death with it because its empty.
That's what 3 round burst is for. Damn sure nobody is capturing me. Back in '05 captured people were getting their heads cut off.

7. If you draw it, shoot it.
No defense for that. That's just stupid.

BlackFeather
August 22, 2009, 05:08 AM
Oh come on there is /b/tards here too?...cant escape dammit... and yeah ofcourse I got the fava bean joke... its a classic... aside from the jokes... its a joke.

LightningJoe
August 22, 2009, 05:31 AM
First rule of any fight: Be a fighter.

m&p45acp10+1
August 22, 2009, 06:01 AM
Rule #1 Keep your head out of you butt. Know what is going on around you at all times.(this may prevent you from ever having to fight in the first place)
Rule #2 If you are in a sutuation where you have to shoot. Avoid getting hit. (get to cover, do not make yourself a target if you can help it at all)
Rule #3 If you can not see thier entire body from head to foot they got in way too close.
Rule #4 Get away if you can. (There is no sense in fighting it out if you do not have to. It can save you a lot of problems, a lot of grief, and quite possibly a lot of money in legal fees.)
Rule #5 If you can not get away make your shots count. (Be familiar with your weapon, Be able to use it and hit what you need to when you need to)
Rule #6 Just because they are not shooting anymore does not mean they are not still a threat. ( They could be reloading, or waiting for you to expose your self.)

scottaschultz
August 22, 2009, 07:56 AM
Madcap_Magician wrote: First rule of gun fights is to be somewhere else when they start.In other words, don't go to Wal-Mart! From reading these posts, bad things always happen at Wal-Mart!!

Scott

Glenn E. Meyer
August 22, 2009, 11:10 AM
No one has ever defined to my satisfaction what 'cheat' means. Just a smart-tush phrase.

What's cheating - using a child for a human shield?

Just a list for gun boys to chortle about in class and feel good. Nasty - today, am I! :D

Skan21
August 22, 2009, 10:26 PM
No one has ever defined to my satisfaction what 'cheat' means. Just a smart-tush phrase.

Play Fair: Kick in a door and let whoever is behind it have a chance to neutralize you, before you ventilate him.

Cheat: Blow the door with a Copenhagen charge, throw in a flashbang and perforate his ass when you head into the room.

As you can see, one way is a bit more fair in the game of 2 way tag that is called battle. Always glad to help! ::)

OldMarksman
August 23, 2009, 08:13 AM
Play Fair: Kick in a door and let whoever is behind it have a chance to neutralize you, before you ventilate him.

Cheat: Blow the door with a Copenhagen charge, throw in a flashbang and perforate his ass when you head into the room.


Again, words applicable to an encounter involving military and police. No civilian involved in justifiable use of deadly force need concern himself with such concepts--or with "bringing a gun to a gunfight."

Trigger Finger
August 23, 2009, 02:27 PM
As one who has also been involved in a shooting, I have found that this has assisted me!

The Firearm is simply a tool used to accomplish a task. Ultimately we fight with our Minds. Fighting is 10% physical and 90% mental!

In other words always be alert and have the physical abilities to do what must be done as a last resort.

Ian0351
September 4, 2009, 03:13 AM
"Who dares wins" ... hopefully that's in the spirit of the OP.

jhenry
September 4, 2009, 07:45 AM
Rule #1 is be willing to shoot somebody. Everything else pretty much follows that rule.

skydiver3346
September 4, 2009, 09:13 AM
:eek: Just stay out of them if at all possible, period. Better to retreat to live another day and possibly avoid prosecution down the road as a result.

However, if you have done all you can do to avoid a gunfight and it becomes inevitable, THEN YOU MUST BE DELIBERATE.
Do not hesitate and shoot to end the threat. Yes, no hesitation and above all be deliberate and follow through.

Archie
September 6, 2009, 06:22 PM
But with undertones of seriousness.

Three Rules of Gunfighting.

Cooper's Rule: Have a Gun.
Cirillo's Corollary: In a gunfight, have the biggest gun you can have.

Pittock's Rule: Be Alert.
Sleuth's Corollary: Preparedness is not Paranoia.

Tuco's Rule: When it's time to shoot, SHOOT, don't talk.
Old Man Montgomery's Corollary: Anyone worth shooting is worth shooting well.

I have a PowerPoint Presentation if anyone is interested. I put it together, so there aren't any copyright problems.

Xanatos
September 6, 2009, 06:33 PM
I would love to have a copy of that. It'd be a pretty fun novelty PP to keep around.

serf 'rett
September 8, 2009, 05:47 PM
Does not telling your wife about your recent purchase(s) fall under the heading of avoiding a gun fight?

Just ammo suppies her with ammo...:mad:

Buzzcook
September 8, 2009, 07:50 PM
Point, shoot. Repeat as necessary.

FireForged
September 25, 2009, 02:58 PM
I dont think anyhting in that list is intended to be taken seriously.