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unloading
August 13, 2009, 11:41 AM
It's one of my favorite shows on TV. While it's not a tactical show in the traditional sense, I've found it educational to see how choices people make lead them to bad things, and how if they had chosen differently they wouldn't be put in that situation. It's almost "pre-tactical" - you think tactically about what you're doing before you end up in a bad situation.

Off the top of my head:

1. Be very careful where you chose to go. That cool nightspot in the bad part of town? Probably not the safest place to hang out. The club might have security, and the space immediately around it might appear safe, but just a block or two away can be a place you don't want to be alone at night.

2. Be very careful not just who your associate with, but be careful of the people that the people you associate with associate with. Your friend may be great, but when he brings along his childhood buddy who is a chronic troublemaker with a chip on his shoulder, your day isn't going to get any better. You may just want to call it a night early.

3. When you walk away from a confrontation, don't turn your back until the other guy is out of sight. Thugs don't have any qualms about shooting you in the back.

4. When you have a confrontation with a lowlife who knows who you are or where you live, be on guard for awhile. They have nothing better to do than hold a grudge.

BlackFeather
August 13, 2009, 10:34 PM
I would have to agree with you on those thoughts, my mother watches that show a lot and I have noticed between that show and others on murder, the gun is usually a .380, or a .38... and ofcourse these are bad guys that usually dont have practice or training and they still kill... that says alot about killing power...

also, I would say that you may not expect who is going to shoot... there have been alot of suspects on there that have commited more crimes than the one that actually killed the person. not always ofcourse...

khegglie
August 13, 2009, 11:12 PM
always get a lawyer

Wait, I'm Reloadin'
August 13, 2009, 11:52 PM
love that show and crime 360. Lesson: If you can't carry a cop, carry a gun:D

2cooltoolz
August 13, 2009, 11:52 PM
I'm gettin' old...:(

BigPoppa
August 14, 2009, 12:58 AM
Love that show(First 48). Crime360 also, as a matter or fact I am getting ready to watch Crime360 right now.

ActivShootr
August 14, 2009, 03:16 AM
Move away from Memphis.

armoredman
August 14, 2009, 05:44 AM
My wife watches ALL those shows, First 48, Forensic Files, COPS, etc, wonder if she's getting an education on how to get rid of me...:D

Superhouse 15
August 14, 2009, 06:35 AM
I have learned that these officers are professional interrogators and they get awful mad when the person they are questioning asks for a lawyer.

MosinM38
August 14, 2009, 07:04 AM
Never seen it, but sounds interesting.

ANd here I thought you meant the first 48 hours MOVIE:D Where .44 mags and 1911's ruled :rolleyes:

Sparks2112
August 14, 2009, 08:26 AM
If I ever commit a crime A) Don't tell anyone about it & B) Lawyer up immediately so I don't make any statements that can later be torn apart by the police.

obxned
August 14, 2009, 09:49 AM
It's a great show. So is Crime 360. Thing I have noticed:

1. Most of the crimes are pretty stupid. Even if the perp was never caught, there is little gained

2. Your friends and the people they associate with can get you killed.

3. Drugs and alchohol are usually involved.

4. Being an innocent person just minding your own business will not keep you from becoming a victim.

5. The 'where you are' can get you killed just as quickly as the 'who you are with'.

unloading
August 14, 2009, 02:02 PM
Never seen it, but sounds interesting.

You can watch episodes an A&E's web site. There's always at least one posted there. Sometimes there are several episodes to watch online.

Most of the cops are pretty straight forward. There have been some that are overly dramatic with their rhetoric, but the tone of the show evens that out.

kazanski612
August 14, 2009, 02:06 PM
I'm always fascinated at the little "tricks" that the cops use to get people to confess or say things they normally wouldn't. Good show, but it just reinforces "get a lawyer FIRST" for me.

akr
August 14, 2009, 02:13 PM
The "Cold Case Files" and "The First 48" are the only shows worth watching on TV anymore, IMHO, of course.

akr
August 14, 2009, 02:14 PM
Yes, Kazanski, you are right. The cops are NOT friends of the innocent.

Dustin0
August 14, 2009, 02:16 PM
+1 always get a lawyer. If you not under arrest walk out if they arrest you get a lawyer and dont say a word.

Shadi Khalil
August 14, 2009, 02:33 PM
I love the show, one of my favorites. Shut up and get a lawyer. Most of these guys bury themselves in the first few minutes of there interrogation.

Deaf Smith
August 14, 2009, 04:28 PM
Being an innocent person just minding your own business will not keep you from becoming a victim.

Might actualy invite the crime if you don't keep your head up. Criminals look for those who are 'minding their own business' and so pre-occupied they have no idea what is going on around them.

Yes, just going out to the local gas-station store can end up with you dead. So stay off the cell phones, stop daydreaming, and keep yourself in the here-and-now.

trooper3385
August 15, 2009, 01:17 AM
"the cops are not friends of the innocent." WT*. A statement like this just re-enforces the reason why I hardly ever go into the tactics and training forum anymore. There is some good and helpful info that can come from this section as in this question as well. It just seems half the people that post in this section on a regular basis are always just looking for opportunity to take a jab at law enforcement. Love it or leave it

Uncle Buck
August 15, 2009, 07:17 AM
LoL, Yeah, Stay out of Memphis! Seriously, we where heading down to the casinos and where thinking about taking a side trip to see the sights in Memphis. We got lost and ended up in a neighborhood I swear I saw on 48 hours. We left and decided we had seen enough of the sights on Memphis.

BlackFeather
August 16, 2009, 12:16 AM
For the record trooper3385, I believe they are detectives which makes them different from "cops"... The detectives they are talking about DO seem to be very aggressive to these suspects which are considered "innocent" in order to get information... Context matters...

Dr Raoul Duke
August 16, 2009, 09:48 AM
I'm a former cop (10 years on patrol), and find "The First 48" to be pretty well done. I would stand up for the city of Memphis, as wherever you live you can find locations near you that will make your eyes pop out. No matter how nice your little corner of the world, if you make a wrong turn you can find yourself in a nice little nightmare; especially if you are somewhere you should not be, doing something you should not be doing. And yes, if you are taken into custody, your interrogation will be enthusiastic, especially if and until the cops have some sensible idea of what has occurred. I've been arrested three times since retiring from the force, no charges filed on all occasions. I have a tendency to defend myself enthusiastically when it is necessary, so getting arrested is easy. The DA finding a way to make it stick is a bit harder. My advice is to not resist arrest in any way, say nothing other than to identify yourself. I've not had any problem contacting a lawyer, probably because I know a good criminal lawyer, and more importantly, he knows me as being someone good for paying my retainer. Then it's just a matter of waiting for either an arrainment, or being released. In the one instance I spent five days in the County Jail awaiting my time with the Judge, but never saw him as no charges had been pressed. I was back home in 10 hours. The justice system does work slowly, but it does work.:)

Dr. Raoul Duke
Gonzo Forever

Crosshair
August 16, 2009, 10:47 AM
Some women like making their ex's life miserable for no good reason. Do not hang out with these women. When the ex finally has enough of her shenanigans you don't want to be anywhere near them.

akr
August 16, 2009, 10:54 AM
The truth hurts, doesn't it, Trooper 3385?

NickySantoro
August 16, 2009, 11:48 AM
Have you learned any lessons from watching "The First 48"

Police in Memphis are every bit as smart as police in New Jersey.

Crankylove
August 16, 2009, 12:21 PM
I watch the First 48 quite a bit. Good show. Shows me you can be a victim anytime, anyplace, for any reason. Whatch where you go, and who you associate with, and always watch your back.

Some of the responses on this thread kinda suprise me. Lots of people telling each other to get a lawyer, don't talk to the cops, don't talk about the crimes you commit, the police are out to get you, they will make you incrimminate yourself etc. Maybe I am missing something............but, I don't commit crimes to start with, and have never had to worry about incrimminating myself, or telling people about my crimes. Seems like a lot of people advising each other on how to get around the laws and courts........instead of living within the law to start with.

porkskin
August 16, 2009, 12:46 PM
one lesson they have shown is burned up cars do not leave evidence behind. wish they wouldn't show that so much, just in case a bg is watching. also, revolvers leave no casings behind...obvious but a point not wasted

kazanski612
August 16, 2009, 12:52 PM
Some of the responses on this thread kinda suprise me. Lots of people telling each other to get a lawyer, don't talk to the cops, don't talk about the crimes you commit, the police are out to get you, they will make you incrimminate yourself etc. Maybe I am missing something............but, I don't commit crimes to start with, and have never had to worry about incrimminating myself, or telling people about my crimes. Seems like a lot of people advising each other on how to get around the laws and courts........instead of living within the law to start with.

Trust 50% of what you see, 25% of what you hear, and far less what you find on the internet.

Now, having said that, these 2 videos with a "lawyer" (guy claiming to be, but who knows) and a "former detective" are informative and if nothing else, entertaining.

Part 1 (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=i8z7NC5sgik)

Part 2 (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=08fZQWjDVKE&feature=related)

akr
August 16, 2009, 02:42 PM
Crankylove==

You must be very young and very naive. It's not that simple.

porkskin
August 16, 2009, 03:17 PM
oh yeah and video survellance is everywhere now

Dr Raoul Duke
August 25, 2009, 02:21 AM
Some of the responses on this thread kinda suprise me. Lots of people telling each other to get a lawyer, don't talk to the cops, don't talk about the crimes you commit, the police are out to get you, they will make you incrimminate yourself etc. Maybe I am missing something............but, I don't commit crimes to start with, and have never had to worry about incrimminating myself, or telling people about my crimes. Seems like a lot of people advising each other on how to get around the laws and courts........instead of living within the law to start with.

Excuse me Crazylove, but did you know that innocent people are arrested for crimes they did not commit? I was arrested a few years back because a nasty woman claimed that I had held a 3 foot sword to her neck, choked her almost unconscious, and threatened to kill her if she ever told anyone about it. Two patrol cars ambushed me in my driveway, the four officers arrested me at gun point; "stop or we'll kill you". They almost broke my left arm throwing me in the patrol car, despite my warning that I had a bad rotator cuff in that shoulder. At the PD a Sargent informed me of my rights, read the woman's complaint, and asked me if I wanted to make a formal statement without an attorney present. I asked him two questions: Did they have the sword? and Did they have any witnesses supporting the woman's complaint? He replied in the negative to both questions. At this point I had been ambushed, had four men threaten me with firearms, my left arm hurt like Hades, all on the say so of a crazy lady with no corroborating evidence. The only person that could possibly help them successfully prosecute me was, ME! The Constitution tells me that I have the right to remain silent, that if I gave up the right to remain silent anything I said could be used against me, that I had the right to have an attorney present during questioning. Which of my Civil Rights should I toss away at this point? Now, I had one nasty argument with that woman, but I never touched her, never threatened her, did not have a sword (?) or any other weapon, there were three witnesses present, and the only violence was when she hit me; twice. I had already experienced the polite and understanding ways of the PD, so I decided to pass on the offer of making a statement. They let me keep my cell phone in the tank, so I called my Mom and a very good criminal lawyer. It was late on a Friday night, so seeing a Judge would not happen until Monday at the soonest. So, I decided to go to jail. I ended up spending the time in the Medical unit, because of my diabetes and other medical problems, so it was kind of like Motel 6 with Sheriff's Deputies. I was scheduled to see the Judge on Tuesday. My attorney came to see me on Saturday, and again on Monday, and had the statements of the three witnesses, which all supported me. He also had the crazy ladies mental health and arrest records which he had provided to the DA. There were 212 men in the big pen in the basement of the Courthouse on Tuesday, and I sat there until there were three of us left. Then a Marshal came in, called out our names, and said "released, no charges filed".

I was arrested again because I fit the description of the "wheel man" of a team of bank robbers that had been working this area. I really thought they were going to kill me that time, especially when they found my CCW. They hauled me downtown, and I was in the tank for 4 hours until my Attorney arrived. By then they had already realized that I was not the ONE, but having a friendly face show up is worth spending a few dollars.

So, people can and do get arrested for things they have not done. I make it a policy to keep my mouth shut and call a good lawyer.:)


Dr. Raoul Duke
Gonzo Forever

Nnobby45
August 25, 2009, 03:40 AM
+1 always get a lawyer. If you not under arrest walk out if they arrest you get a lawyer and dont say a word.

I watch both shows all the time and haven't noticed them trying to put innocent people in jail. Lawyering up just because they want to talk to you during their investigation is kind of a good immitation of the murderers they question. Co-operating to an extent seems like a good way to get them off your back. O.K., I said to a point.

If I'm a suspect, I want my lawyer.


Interesting that a lot of detectives featured on the show don't give the appearance of highly educated criminal justice graduates. However, I've become rather impressed with how streetwise and effective they can be, having come up through the ranks.

Oh yeah, lessons-- you can be murdered without the slightest remorse.

You can be murdered by someone you thought was your friend.

You can become an instant victim of opportunity, and nobody seen a thing.

Too many victims heard a knock on the door and just opened it right up and let their murderers in.

And, behold-- sometimes a brave individual comes forward and puts their life on the line by telling what they saw. Real life show.

Chettt
August 25, 2009, 08:39 AM
I always feel this show gives the bad guys too many ideas on how to lawyer up, burn the victim and his car etc.

bababooey32
August 25, 2009, 11:14 AM
The detectives they are talking about DO seem to be very aggressive to these suspects which are considered "innocent" in order to get information.

I prefer the police to be aggressive. That's how crime gets solved. I don't need the police to be concerned over everyone's "feelings" while trying to solve a murder. I love watching how they handle people on these shows.

despite my warning that I had a bad rotator cuff in that shoulder.

HA! I bet they never hear that one before!!!!

EDITED to add:

One thing I notice on these shows is that innocent bystanders rarely are involved in these incidents. There is always SOMETHING going on with all the participants in any given case. Even if that something is legal, it is likely bad bahavior, adultery, or just general sleaziness.

Sparks2112
August 25, 2009, 11:31 AM
There is always SOMETHING going on with all the participants in any given case. Even if that something is legal, it is likely bad bahavior, adultery, or just general sleaziness.

Good thing lack of intelligence isn't one of the legal behaviours you've listed that somehow justify police harassment. You might have a problem otherwise...

ATW525
August 25, 2009, 12:32 PM
I always feel this show gives the bad guys too many ideas on how to lawyer up, burn the victim and his car etc.

I don't think it helps them much. Most of these people don't put a whole lot of thought into murdering people, they just jump right in with both feet and do it.

bababooey32
August 25, 2009, 01:23 PM
Good thing lack of intelligence isn't one of the legal behaviours you've listed that somehow justify police harassment. You might have a problem otherwise...

Ad Hominem attacks are generally the first sign of a low IQ. Let me know if you need help looking up what Ad Hominem means.

pax
August 25, 2009, 01:28 PM
And that'll do it.

Closed.

pax