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lwestatbus
August 5, 2009, 09:30 AM
I need some suggestions for a CC problem I have regularly. I live in Florida and my job doesn't require a jacket. My preferred carry approach is an inside the waist holster from Andrews Custom Leather at about the 3:30-4:00 o'clock position. My usual attire is a t-shirt with an unbuttoned Hawaiian or other sport shirt over the t-shirt/pistol.

I am regularly walking outdoors in this rig, whether for my morning exercise or just going from the car to a building. I have a pretty regular problem with my shirt blowing open so far that the pistol would be exposed. I end up either walking with a really unnatural carry of my right arm keeping the shirt in place or even tucking the right side tail of the shirt in my pocket or waistband to keep it in place (which looks really dorky).

What do others with similar climate conditions do about concealing your pistol? I'm reluctant to adopt a non-button shirt as I think it prints the pistol too much and would interfere with access.

raimius
August 5, 2009, 12:42 PM
Perhaps only buttoning some of the buttons would work.
Maybe you could carry at a 5 O'clock position.
If you like their styles, there are CCW specific shirts that have false buttons (actually snaps).

Sefner
August 5, 2009, 12:50 PM
Try using your belt loop to your advantage? I dunno, sew a couple of strings to the inside of the shirt and tie it around one of your belt loops. I'm sure we can think of some solutions for this...

Brian Pfleuger
August 5, 2009, 12:52 PM
Just button the bottom one or two. I do that very thing on a daily basis.

Carne Frio
August 5, 2009, 01:01 PM
Sew a few lead fishing weights into the bottom hems at both corners.:D

sakeneko
August 5, 2009, 01:06 PM
What Carne Frio (good name for someone in Alaska) ;) suggested, only if you don't have lead fishing weights, try sewing a penny or two of them into the bottom corner hem of each side of the shirt. Sure cuts down on blowing open. (I carry like you do about half the time, as well.)

Japle
August 5, 2009, 01:20 PM
I also live in Florida and also conceal under a Hawaiian shirt.

Couple of things I do:

Hold the shirt tail with your fingers and tuck your thumb in your waistband.
Hold the shirt tail against you while idly scratching your stomach.

Or just hold it. No one will notice, much less get suspicious.

Don't worry about looking dorky. Unless you're a supermodel or on fire, no one is going to pay any attention to you.

Macol
August 5, 2009, 01:25 PM
+1 to buttoning the bottom one or two. I also do this frequently.

ZeSpectre
August 5, 2009, 01:26 PM
I have a similar issue from time to time and it seems like its ALWAYS the gun side that blows open <sigh>.

Solutions that have worked for me include...

-Wearing my cell phone (on a belt clip) in front of the gun and using the cell clip to "clamp" down the shirt (can work well depending on the shirt).
-Holding your car keys in your hand (it's an excuse to hold your arm closer to your body.
-Hooking my thumbs in my belt as I meander along (it allows you to clamp your elbows in without looking too strange.
and
-Buttoning the shirt (sometimes you just have to do it)

I can think of at least two times I've been tempted to add a velcro patch to my beltloop but I haven't actually done it :D

Donn_N
August 6, 2009, 02:32 PM
Just button the bottom one or two. I do that very thing on a daily basis.

This is also my preferred way of dealing with this issue.

Sixer
August 6, 2009, 03:33 PM
Walk backwards...

Sorry :D

hamr56
August 6, 2009, 03:56 PM
Shave the hairy chest and take off the gold chain. For god sakes man!

On a more serious note by a tighter shirt and button the bottom three, you will be good to go.

orionengnr
August 6, 2009, 05:06 PM
Sew a few lead fishing weights into the bottom hems at both corners
+1 on that. I have also read that people sew a nickle or two inside the hem (weighs a bit more than pennies suggested above). Sounds like you only need one on the right hand side (assuming you are right handed).

lwestatbus
August 9, 2009, 07:53 AM
Thanks for the interesting suggestions.

I don't see myself performing alterations on my entire Hawaiian shirt collection (my wife unjustly claims that I have too many).

For the moment I'm using two very similar approaches. First if I'm not driving I'll use a small-of-the-back carry. Second is moving the pistol further around toward the 5:00 position (almost s-of-the-b).

hogdogs
August 9, 2009, 08:19 AM
Button only the top button... Then use your arms to hold the shirt close as your hands are tucked in your pockets... Seems to help if you lean back a little as you walk:o:D
Brent

Japle
August 9, 2009, 08:22 AM
I tried weights to hold my shirttails down. They only work in very light breezes. When the wind blows, they're useless.

Buttoning your shirt will work, but it sorta screws up your draw, don't you think? You either have to unbutton your shirt (just when your fine motor skills have gone to hell) or lift your shirt, grab your gun and hope you don't get a handful of shirt along with the grip!
Or you can rip your shirt open like Superman. Of course, that'll take both hands. If the fight's already started, you might not have both hands available for shirt-ripping.

I have very strong negative opinions on any carry method that requires two hands to get your gun out.

Dragon55
August 9, 2009, 08:32 AM
Shirt Keeps Blowing Open


Cut down on the burritos or buy some Beano

Doc Intrepid
August 9, 2009, 09:53 AM
I had the same problem. Happened all the time.

Buttoning the shirt worked in terms of keeping it closed, but it also slowed down the access to the weapon considerably.

I went with a heavier-weight fabric over-layer... something along the lines of a Levi's or Wrangler jeans jacket with the sleeves whacked off, a heavy Carhartt or Levi's blue denim shirt, or one of the khaki fishing vests from Cabelas. The heavier material was a bit stiffer and didn't blow away in every breeze like the Hawaiian shirts.

For other occasions I went with a Kahr PM-40 in a pocket holster in the right trou pocket of a pair of khaki slacks.

(OTOH, I don't live in Florida....)

These guys also have some potentially useful options:

http://www.duluthtrading.com/

Best with it,

Doc

teeroux
August 9, 2009, 10:21 AM
I just throw my untucked white t-shirt over it also if my button up blows open the white t is still covering the pistol. I find it is still easy to draw by lifting both shirts from the bottom especially since when I am not wearing this setup I wear a regular shirt over my pistol which is most of the time.

Dannyl
August 10, 2009, 04:33 AM
HI,
I usually leave the shirt buttoned. (IWB holster)
This allows me to conceal, and with practice you can get used to drawing very fast despite the shirt.

It also allows me to use an external holster in the cold July - August months, when carrying a large chunk of cold-metal IWB is rather unpleasant.

Brgds,
Danny

Skan21
August 10, 2009, 04:40 AM
I wear an undershirt, generally Under Armor, because it keeps the metal off my skin.

Dr Raoul Duke
August 10, 2009, 07:32 AM
Try wearing a fly fishing or photographer's vest over you Hawaiian shirt. It looks good with a green Las Vegas poker visor and mirrored shades or shooting glasses. Works well for me.:):)


Dr. Raoul Duke
Gonzo Forever

UltraRick
August 10, 2009, 08:34 AM
I use these and am very happy with them.

http://www.kramerleather.com/productDetail.cfm?productID=65&categoryID=21

Stiofan
August 10, 2009, 08:37 AM
I only pocket carry with my LCP because I don't have to worry about situations like this. Of course there are many on this board who despise .380s for ccw, but it has always worked for me. I just can't stand IWB or OWB carry, the only time I want to think about my gun is if I have to use it.

Whatever solution you end up with, hope it works for you.

FireForged
August 10, 2009, 11:26 AM
If you are going to CCW, you are going to have to dress for it. Thats just the way is has to be. It is possible that you change your carry style to be better suited for a specific dress but lawfull weapon concealment is a higher priority than style.

BillCA
August 10, 2009, 12:29 PM
The penny/nickle/fishing weights can all work, but you have to do it right.

A tailor once showed me how he makes it work.
First, never use lead fishing weights or wire.
If the shirt-hem has a folded hem at the bottom, open one end and feed in a length of aluminum or stainless steel solid wire about 6 inches long. Position it between 1 and 3 o'clock (9 & 11 for southpaws). Add a few stitches fore and aft to keep it from shifting and close the opened end.

The weight of the wire doesn't need to be really heavy, just enough to resist bending in the wind. Adding the weight of a pair of nickels at the front corner will reduce the "fly open" effect from a gust of wind.

The other method is to use fusible lining material to secure the wire and/or nickles. This thin, white material can be ironed on to fabrics to stiffen them slightly and can create a pocket for weights. This material can be added along the inside of the shirt to stiffen the fabric a bit so it reduces printing too.

For dress jackets and coats, carry something with a little weight in the strong side jacket pocket. A wad of keys, a pager/PDA, speedloaders, etc. This helps keep the jacket from flipping open in the breeze. But the bigger plus is that this extra weight helps the jacket carry backwards, out of the way, when you go to draw your firearm. Especially with a breeze at your back.

Don P
August 10, 2009, 01:00 PM
Staples will work also:eek:

rburch
August 10, 2009, 02:02 PM
I just tuck my hands into my pockets, and kinda hold down the edges of my shirts with my arms.

I also tend to carry at the 5 oclock position, and normally have a mag in a galco horizontal pouch at 7 oclock, so I need to watch both sides.

FM12
August 11, 2009, 03:16 PM
Sorry I thought it said "Skirt".

peejman
August 12, 2009, 12:39 PM
I wear an undershirt, generally Under Armor, because it keeps the metal off my skin.

Yep. My holster is leather backed, but it's the same issue. The Starter brand stuff at wal-mart works well and costs much less than Under Armor. I'm a hot-natured person so the wicking material helps a bunch when it's warm.

Tucker 1371
August 12, 2009, 12:51 PM
When I wear longsleeved button down shirts I like to wear it with the sleeves rolled up and unbuttoned down to about the sternum or one button higher. Not sure how it would look buttoned like that on a hawaiian shirt but you could try it.

dstyle47
August 12, 2009, 01:25 PM
There can be only one solution....Duct Tape....it solves ALL problems.

emcon5
August 12, 2009, 01:42 PM
This may be a bit of a simplistic solution, but can you just walk with your hand in your pocket on the gun side when it looks like this may happen?

lwestatbus
August 12, 2009, 03:48 PM
I found a really convenient solution to this problem. I remembered a name badge I once had which you attached with a magnetic back--one magnet glued to the badge and one that went inside your shirt. I then checked Michael's Craft store online site and they carry the perfect product but...they are way across town. So I tried Home Depot and guess what??!! They carry a set of four pairs of 3/4" round disk magnets in the hardware section (House-Mates brand. SKU is 0 30699 97064 3. About $2.89 for the set of eight magnets as I recall.) They are PERFECT.

1. Place one magnet inside a belt loop on your pants at the 1, 2, or 3 o'clock position.
2. Fold about an inch of the leading edge of your shirt back and place the second magnet inside aligned with the one in your belt loop. (Hint: Be sure to use the correct side of the second magnet or it will push away from the first one. Remember 5th grade physics.)
3. Experiment a little with the alignment of the magnet in the shirt so the shirt hangs at a natural height.

From the outside the layers you encouter are:
1. Outer layer of shirt
2. Outer magnet
3. Layer of shirt folded back on itself
4. Fabric of belt loop
5. Inner magnet
6. Belt (if worn)
7. Waistband of pants
8. T-shirt (if worn--probably so if using an ISW carry)
9. Undershorts (if worn--see above)
10. You

Advantages
1. They worked in a pretty stiff wind this afternoon
2. They are cheap
3. I had no trouble reaching through the shirt opening for the pistol
4. The magnets drop away when drawing (except in one case when the inside-the-shirt magnet stayed stuck to the belt-loop magent after the shirt was pulled away). They are cheap enough so that if you loose one in action who cares? (Hint: Practice where you can find the one when it drops and don't practice on your wife's tile floor.)
5. You get the magnets from the manly hardware section at Home Depot instead of at some craft store. [Insert Tim Allen grunt here.]

Disadvantages
1. You don't get to use your duct tape
2. You don't get to walk around in some strange state of dress and holding your hand oddly.

I want to see if I can work up a system to permanently mount one of the magnets on a belt loop that will slide on the belt using thinner fabric. This would give more flexibility and I'd prefer that the magnet not be fixed through the folded over fabric that makes up the belt loop.

lwestatbus
August 12, 2009, 03:54 PM
I wanted to start a new thread with a solution to a problem I'd originally posed in the thread Shirt Keeps Blowing Open (http://www.thefiringline.com/forums/showthread.php?t=370713).

Here it is:

I found a really convenient solution to this problem. I remembered a name badge I once had which you attached with a magnetic back--one magnet glued to the badge and one that went inside your shirt. I then checked Michael's Craft store online site and they carry the perfect product but...they are way across town. So I tried Home Depot and guess what??!! They carry a set of four pairs of 3/4" round disk magnets in the hardware section (House-Mates brand. SKU is 0 30699 97064 3. About $2.89 for the set of eight magnets as I recall.) They are PERFECT.

1. Place one magnet inside a belt loop on your pants at the 1, 2, or 3 o'clock position.
2. Fold about an inch of the leading edge of your shirt back and place the second magnet inside aligned with the one in your belt loop. (Hint: Be sure to use the correct side of the second magnet or it will push away from the first one. Remember 5th grade physics.)
3. Experiment a little with the alignment of the magnet in the shirt so the shirt hangs at a natural height.

From the outside the layers you encouter are:
1. Outer layer of shirt
2. Outer magnet
3. Layer of shirt folded back on itself
4. Fabric of belt loop
5. Inner magnet
6. Belt (if worn)
7. Waistband of pants
8. T-shirt (if worn--probably so if using an ISW carry)
9. Undershorts (if worn--see above)
10. You

Advantages
1. They worked in a pretty stiff wind this afternoon
2. They are cheap
3. I had no trouble reaching through the shirt opening for the pistol
4. The magnets drop away when drawing (except in one case when the inside-the-shirt magnet stayed stuck to the belt-loop magent after the shirt was pulled away). They are cheap enough so that if you loose one in action who cares? (Hint: Practice where you can find the one when it drops and don't practice on your wife's tile floor.)
5. You get the magnets from the manly hardware section at Home Depot instead of at some craft store. [Insert Tim Allen grunt here.]

Disadvantages
1. You don't get to use your duct tape
2. You don't get to walk around in some strange state of dress and holding your hand oddly.

I want to see if I can work up a system to permanently mount one of the magnets on a belt loop that will slide on the belt using thinner fabric. This would give more flexibility and I'd prefer that the magnet not be fixed through the folded over fabric that makes up the belt loop.

maestro pistolero
August 12, 2009, 06:51 PM
Why a new thread, when is the same topic?

Bud Helms
August 12, 2009, 06:55 PM
Good question.

Threads merged.