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Maser
August 2, 2009, 12:47 AM
So a shooting buddy and I were talking about the Liberator pistol from WW2 and both of us are fans of WW2 era firearms and we were talking about how it would be a cool conversation piece to own. Anyways, our question is that seeing as it's a C&R nowadays, would it still have to be registered as an AOW due to it being a smoothbore pistol? We ask because we are in CA and all NFA items are banned here. :(

Skan21
August 2, 2009, 12:50 AM
I heard those things hurt to shoot, and when they fail, it's catastrophic. Might be fun to own one though. BATF should have a list, and it should be listed as an AOW, if it is one.

David Hineline
August 2, 2009, 01:15 AM
An original Liberator pistol would be on the exempt list at the federal level, you would need to check with CA DOJ to see if it would be exempt from any CA state or local laws.

If a reproduction were produced it would then be an AOW because of the smooth bore.




Section III
NATIONAL FIREARMS ACT WEAPONS REMOVED FROM THE ACT AS COLLECTOR'S ITEMS AND CLASSIFIED AS CURIOS OR RELICS UNDER 18 U.S.C. CHAPTER 44
The Bureau has determined that by reason of the date of their manufacture. value, design and other characteristics, the following firearms are primarily collector's items and are not likely to be used as weapons and, therefore, are excluded from the provisions of the National Firearms Act.
Further, the Bureau has determined that such firearms are also curios or relics as defined in 27 CFR 178.11. Thus, licensed collectors may acquire, hold or dispose to them as curios or relics subject to the provisions of 18 U.S.C. Chapter 44 and 27 CFR Part 178. They are still "firearms" as defined in Chapter 44 of Title 18, U.S.C.


Any military bolt action or semiautomatic rifle manufactured prior to 1946 and accompanied by a "cup type" grenade launcher designed for the specific rifle.
Belgian, Pre-war manufactured Hi Power pistols, in cal. 9mm having tangent sights graduated to 500 meters, slotted for shoulder stock, having S/Ns of less than 47,000 without letter prefixes or suffixes and accompanied by original Belgian manufactured detachable wooden flat board type shoulder stocks.
Beretta, model 1918/1930, semiautomatic carbine, cal. 9mm, having a barrel length of 12.5" and a magazine capacity of 25 rounds.
Beretta, model 1923, semiautomatic pistol, in cal. 9mm Kurz (.380), accompanied by original Italian detachable leather and metal holster/shoulder stock.
Bergmann-Bayard, model 1908, Pistol, 9mm Bergmann-Bayard with shoulder stock and 4" barrel.
Bergmann, Mars model 1903, self loading pistol, w/accompanying shoulder stock.
British PIAT (Projector, Infantry, Anti-tank)
Browning, model 1903, Pistol, 9mm Browning Long, with shoulder stock and 5" barrel.
Browning Hi power pistols, 9mm having tangent sights graduated to 500 meters, slotted for shoulder stock, having S/Ns less than T200,000 etched vertically on the right side of slide, barrel or frame and bearing crest of Emirates of Muscat & Oman, or mirror image of such crest, accompanied by original detachable wooden flat board shoulder stocks.
Canadian, Inglis No. I, Chinese Contract, Hi Power pistols, cal. 9mm Parabellum, having a tangent rear sight adjustable from 50 to 500 meters, slotted for shoulder stock, and having the letters CH in the S/N and accompanied by original Canadian manufactured detachable wooden holster/shoulder stock.
Clement, Pistol Carbine, cal. 9mm.
Chinese manufactured copies of the Mauser model 1896, semiautomatic pistol, produced prior to 1945, any cal., accompanied by original Chinese manufactured detachable wooden holster/shoulder stocks.
Colt, New Service Revolver, cal. 44/40, w/original smooth bore barrel, S/N 326596.
Colt, Officers model, .38 Special cal., double action revolver, with 6" barrel and a detachable, experimental skeleton shoulder stock and holster combination.
Colt, Single Action Army revolver, cal. .45, with original smoothbore barrel, S/N 325085.
Colt, Single Action Army revolver, S/N 354096, cal. .44/40 having a smooth bored barrel and a barrel length of 7-1/2".
Colt, lightning rifle, original cutaway demonstrator produced by Colt.
Colt, model 1905, Pistol, .45 rimless, with leather holster/shoulder stock and 5" barrel.
Colt, model Woodsman, .22 Long Rifle cal., semiautomatic pistol with an experimental 10" barrel and an experimental wooden detachable shoulder stock.
Colt, model Woodsman, .22 Long Rifle cal., semiautomatic pistols, manufactured between 1915 and 1943, together with the original leather detachable holster stocks, manufactured by the N&S Corporation, Ventura, CA.
Colt, semiautomatic pistol, cal. .22 rimfire, S/Ns 49551 and 49712, accompanied by an original "Rifle-ette" shoulder stock as originally manufactured by Monarch Arms Mfg Co, Los Angles, CA in the 1920s.
Czechoslovakian, model CZ24, semiautomatic pistol, in cal. 9mm Kurz (.380) accompanied by original Czechoslovakian detachable wooden holster/shoulder stock.
Fiala, model 1920, repeating pistol, cal. .22LR in all barrel lengths with accompanying detachable shoulder stock; original copies of the Fiala repeating pistol, marked Schall, Columbia or Botwinick Brothers, cal. .22LR, with accompanying original detachable shoulder stock.
Finnish, model L-35, Lahti, Semiautomatic pistol, in cal. 9mm Parabellum, accompanied by original Finnish detachable wooden holster/shoulder stock.
Flashlight Revolver, cal. .22 Rimfire, having a rifled barrel, patented on July 10, 1923 and originally manufactured by S. P. Cottrell & Son, Buffalo, NY.
Frommer, model 1912, semiautomatic pistol w/Benke-Thiemann folding shoulder stock.
German, model 1918, (WWI) anti-tank rifle (PzAgew 1918), cal. 13.25mm.
German, (Nazi) Belt Buckle Gun, .22 rimfire, marked "DRP Ausl Pat, Louis Marquis, W. Elberfeld."
German, (Nazi) Belt Buckle Gun, 7.65mm, marked "D.R.P. Angem."
German, Kamphpistole, cal. 26.7mm.
German, Leuchpistole, 26.7mm, Walther pattern, manufactured in or before 1945, with original 23mm rifle grenade launching adapter sleeve.
German, VGI-5 (Volksgewehr), semiautomatic rifle, cal. 7.92mm Kurz, having a barrel length of 14.9" and an overall length of 34.8".
Greener Cattle Killer (Original model) No. B1201, .310 cal.
Greener Cattle Killer (Pocket Pattern) No. 81203, .310 cal.
Greener Safti Killer No. B1216, .22 cal.
Greener Universal Safti Killer No. B1217, .310 cal.
Hamilton, models 7, 11, 15, 19, 23, 27, 027, 31, 35, 39, and 43 rifles.
Harrington and Richardson (H&R) "Handy Gun", .22 rimfire or .32-20 centerfire, with 12-1/4" rifled barrel, without shoulder stock.
Heal, Rifle No. 10, cal. .22
Heal, .22 rimfire cal. rifles, all models, mftd. prior to 1908, by the Heal Rifle Company or the Detroit Rifle Company
High Standard, model C/S, smoothbore .22 cal. shot semiautomatic pistols, bearing S/Ns 59279 59460 59469 59473 59478
High Standard, model S, smoothbore .22 cal. shot semiautomatic pistols having slides marked: "HI-STANDARD MODEL "S" .22 L.R. SHOT ONLY," and bearing S/Ns 48142 48143 48144 48145 48146 59474 59496 59458 59459
"JGA" (J.G. Anchutz, Ulm, Germany), .22 Flobert single shot pistol.
Kennedy Repeating Rifle, cal. .44, with 14" barrel, S/N C329.
Krupp, models 1902 and 1906, 50mm Mountain Cannons as produced for the Siamese Government.
Luger, Artillery model, pistols having chamber dates of 1914 through 1918 or 1920, having German Weimar Navy markings consisting of the letter M over an anchor and a German Navy property number accompanied by original Artillery Luger flat board stocks, bearing German Weimar Navy markings of the letter M over an anchor with or without Navy property numbers.
Luger, the 1920 Commercial Artillery model, pistols as manufactured by DWM or Erfurt, having undated chambers, commercial proofmarks, and bearing the inscription Germany or Made in Germany on the receiver and accompanied by original, German manufactured, artillery type, detachable wooden shoulder stocks.
Luger, DWM Pistol, model 1900, 1902, or 1906, in 7.65 Luger or 9mm Parabellum cal., having the American Eagle chamber crest, and barrel lengths of either 4" or 4-3 /4" with original detachable Ideal shoulder stocks and Ideal frame grips.
DWM Luger, Original models 1904, 1906, 1908, 1914 and 1920. Naval pistols in 9mm Parabellum or 7.65mm cal., in both the Commercial and Naval military varieties; in both altered and unaltered barrel lengths in the model 1904 and in both altered and unaltered safety markings in the model 1906; w/original board-type detachable shoulder stocks bearing brass or iron discs, with or without markings, or, if without brass or iron discs, being of the Navy flat board-type. This exemption applies only to the listed Naval Luger pistols if mated to the Naval Luger stock and will not apply if the Naval Luger pistol is mated to the Artillery stock. The Naval stock has an overall dimension of 12-3/4," a rear width of 4-5/8", a front width of 1-1/2", a rear thickness of 9/16," and a front thickness of 1- 3/16".
Luger, DWM Stoeger model 1920 and 1923, semiautomatic pistols in 7.65mm or 9mm Parabellum cal., in barrel lengths of 8, 10, 12, and 12 1/2", having either American Eagle chamber crests and/or Stoeger frame and/or upper receiver marks, having either standard, Navy or artillery rear sights, having extractors marked either "Loaded" or " Geladen" and having frame safety markings of either " Gesichert" or "Safe" together w/original commercial flat board stocks of the artillery type, which bear no S/Ns or military proof marks; may include a "Germany" marking.
Luger, DWM Pistol-Carbine, model 1920, 7.65mm or 9mm Parabellum cal., with accompanying original commercial type shoulder stock, with or without forearm piece, having barrel lengths of 11-3/4" to less than 16" .
Luger, German model 1914, Artillery model pistol, manufactured by DWM or Erfurt, having chambers dated 1914 through 1918, bearing Imperial German military proofmarks and accompanied by original, German manufactured, artillery type, detachable wooden shoulder stocks.
Luger, model 1902, Pistol-Carbine, 7.65mm Luger with original commercial type shoulder stock and forearm and 11-3/4" barrel.
Luger, Persian (Iranian) Artillery model, pistols, as manufactured by Mauser prior to 1945, accompanied by the original artillery type, detachable wooden shoulder stock, bearing a S/N in Farsi characters stamped into the wood on the left side.
Luger, semiautomatic pistol, certain variations with Benke-Thiemann folding shoulder stock.
MBA, Gyrojet Rocket Guns, cal. 13mm, semiautomatic version only, produced in 1968 or earlier, S/N ranges A0001-A0032, A001-A085, B010-B411, and 85059- B5692.
Manville, 18-shot-drum, 25mm, semiautomatic tear gas gun.
Marlin, model 93 carbine, cal. .32-40 WCF, with 15" barrel, S/N 426311
Marlin, model 94, carbine, cal. .32-20, with 15- 1/4" barrel, S/N 376900
Marlin, model 94, carbine, cal. .38-40 WCF, with 16" barrel, S/Ns 384186 397215
Marlin, model 94, baby carbine, cal. .44-40 with 15" barrel, S/Ns 324137 401404 401374
Marlin, model 94, carbine, cal. .44-40 with 15-1/4" barrel, S/N 396987
Marlin, model 94, carbine, cal. .44 W.C.F., with 15-1/4" barrel, S/Ns 396987 423099
Marlin, model 1893C, cal. .25/36 with a 15" barrel, S/Ns 193134 284957 320283
Marlin Model 1893 Carbine, cal. .25-36, with 15- 1/4" barrel, S/N 387186
Marlin, model 1893C, cal. .30 with a 15" barrel, S/Ns 164888 199669 199690 203990 204585 208526
Marlin, model 1893C, cal. .30/30 with a 15 " barrel, S/Ns 228856 237681 244372 256559 256568 256577 256583 256611 258853 261889 261901 269397 269636 281802Rd 281810 291358 336467 336478 336504 336610 338883
Marlin, model 1893C, cal. .32 with a 15 " barrel, S/Ns 176656 285305 285331
Marlin, model 1893C, cal. .32/30 with a 15 " barrel, S/N 194786
Marlin, model 18938 Carbine, cal. .32/40 with a 15 " barrel, S/Ns 336651 336964
Marlin, model 1893C, cal. .38 with a 15 " barrel, S/N 167090
Marlin, model 1893, cal. .38/40 with a 15 " Rd. barrel, S/N 323928
Marlin, model 1893C, cal. .38/55 with a 15" barrel, S/Ns 194783 246363 275896 336529
Marlin, model 1893 B/C., cal. .38/55 with a 15 " barrel, S/N 316309
Marlin Model 1893 Saddle Ring Carbine, cal. .32-40, w/15- /4 " barrel, S/N C3967
Marlin, model 1894C, cal. .25 with a 15 " barrel, S/Ns 190958 190962 190976
Marlin, model 1894, cal. .25/20 with a 12" Rd. barrel, S/Ns 283149 328901 328925 328928 328937 328958
Marlin, model 1894C, cal. .25/20 with a 15" barrel, S/Ns 211087 280125 280128 280141 280147 283330 287748 294716 328910 337955
Marlin, model 1894, cal. .32/20 with a 15" Rd. barrel, S/N 314652
Marlin, model 1894C, cal. .32/20 with a 15" barrel, S/Ns 190944 190950 190963 190972 217948 282898 282904 287741 287745 287753 287755 287762 287764 287769 287770 287772294666 294732 301560 325609 328807 328837 328933
Marlin, model 1894C, cal. .32/40 with a 15" barrel, S/N 335434
Marlin, model 1894C, cal. .38 with a 15" barrel, S/Ns 195570 199975 200007 200022 215011 216412 282004 282936 282997
Marlin, model 1894, cal. .38/40 with a 14" Rd. barrel, S/N 324849
Marlin, model 1894, cal. .38/40 with a 15" Rd. barrel, S/Ns 310864 316798 324195 324238
Marlin, model 1894C, cal. .38/40 with a 14 " Rd. barrel, S/N 326718
Marlin, model 1894C, cal. .38/40 with a 15" barrel, S/Ns 285870 285974 285979 285990 286281 287729 300626 318000 321957 321970 321973 321985 321986 321990 322025 322035 322037 322053 322077 322079 322082 322095 325732 325740 326143 326726 330543
Marlin, model 1894C, cal. .38/40 with a 15" Rd. barrel, S/Ns 322514 323672 323688 323785 323810 323846 323925 326206
Marlin, model 1894C, cal. .44/40 with a 14" Oct. barrel, S/N 322641
Marlin, model 1894 rifle, cal. .44/40 w/a 15" Rd. barrel, S/N 302059
Marlin, model 1894, cal. .44/40 with a 15" Rd. barrel, S/Ns 305795 324290 324855 324864
Marlin, model 1894, cal. .44/40 with a 15" barrel, S/N 317706
Marlin, model 1894C, cal. .44/40 with a 15" Rd. barrel, S/Ns 323752 323776
Marlin, model 1894, cal. .44/40 with a 14" Oct. barrel, S/Ns 316617 316628 316632 316645 316649 316654 316656 316739 316772 316803 317427 317449 317466 317470 317499 317559 317573 317578 317582 317587 317596 317646 317687 317690 317693 317697
Marlin, model 1894C, cal. .44/40 with a 15" Rd. barrel, S/Ns 271131 271328 271330 271331 276170
Marlin, model 1894C, cal. .44/40 with a 15" barrel, S/Ns 215023 215059 216350 219291 219295 232948 232964 232997 233001 233010 233281 233355 233369 233396 233481 233530 233600 233632 233695 233733 233781 233798 234308 238716 238720 276129 276138 276156 276162 276177 276183 276189 276195 276218 276226 276228 276249 276254 276255 276258 276262 276264 276265 279683 285876 285943 285946 285961 286250 295694 295725 297384 297473 297598 297639 299635 299643 299648 299670 299676 300302 300656 300685 300690 300698 300705 300709 300719 300738 300744 300754 300777 300780 300793 300806 300832 300834 300850 300904 300905 300917 300918 300927 300931 300936 300951 300955 300967 301844 301857 301863 301866 301867 301896 301924 301942 301961 301976 301981 302015 302102 302149 302209 302224 302239 302246 302341 304526 306179 307210 312344 312358 312367 312370 312371 312377 312378 312382 312384 312387 312391 312393 312403 312415 312419 312420 312423 312425 312427 312435 312437 312438 312443 312445 312446 312451 313218 317710 317713 317723 317726 317728 317742 317744 317750 317751 317761 317796 317802 317817 317832 318000 318012 318023 318029 318042 318043 318044 318045 318046 318048 318054 318792 321954 321955 321956 321962 321972 321974 321975 321977 321978 321979 321988 321994 322002 322015 322019 322021 322028 322046 322048 322065 322066 322076 322087 322088 322103 322114 322123 322140 322144 322147 322149 322154 322157 322162 322175 322176 322178 322181 322182 322183 322184 322186 322187 322189 322190 322191 322192 322194 322195 322197 322198 322202 322203 322205 322208 322210 322211 322212 322222 322226 322231 322244 322249 322259 322260 322261 322269 322273 322274 322279 322283 322285 322311 323918 323968 324030 324144 325036 325048 325622 325653 325700 325817 325861 325896 325908 325965 326047 326060 326108 326116 326121 326130 326139 326187 326214 330307 330308 330310 330311 330312 330313 330314 330316 330317 330318 330319 330320 330321 330324 330325 330327 330332 330333 330336 330337 330339 330341 330429 330446 330465 330466 330468 330476 330478 330479 330480 330481 330487 330491 330492 330494 330496 330599 330614 330616 330621 330624 330625 330628 330644 331269 331298 338420 338450 338593 338598 338665
Marlin, model 1895C, cal. .38/56 with a 15" barrel, S/N 167406
Marlin, model 1895C, cal. .40/65 with a 15" barrel, S/Ns 313644 315054
Marlin, model 1895C, cal. .45/70 with a 15" barrel, S/Ns 313669 313673 313683 313684 313688
Mauser, commercial Luger Artillery model semiautomatic pistols cal. 9mm, Mauser banner marked, produced under contract for the Royal Thai Police accompanied by original, German manufactured, detachable wooden shoulder stocks.
Mauser, model 1896 semiautomatic pistol accompanied by original German manufactured detachable wooden holster/shoulder stocks, all semiautomatic German manufactured variations produced prior to 1940, any cal Mauser, Pistol-Carbine, model 1896, 7.63mm, with shoulder stock and 11-3 /4" to 16" barrel.
Mauser, model 1902, 6 and 10 shot magazine capacity, semiautomatic pistols in cal. 7.63 x 25mm (.30 Mauser), having the distinctive hammer safety, barrel lengths of either 3.9 or 5.5", and accompanied by an original detachable wooden holster/shoulder stock.
Mauser, model 1912/14, Pistol, 9mm Mauser short or .45 ACP, with original detachable wooden holster/shoulder stock and 5" barrel.
E. Mayer single shot handgun, no S/N, cal .38-55 smoothbore, barrel length 14-1/2".
Military type Nambu pistol, model 1904, cal. 8mm Nambu with an accompanying original detachable telescoping wooden holster/shoulder stock.
One Pocket Creedmores and other original pocket rifles with extension shoulder stocks, cal.
.22, made by Samuel Watson Johnson (1838-1903).
OSS Glove Pistol, cal. .38 S&W or .38 special.
OSS "Liberator" pistol, .45 ACP or 9mm.

David Hineline
August 2, 2009, 01:16 AM
Remington Flare (Very) Pistol, Mark III, 10 gauge.
Royal, semiautomatic pistol. cal. 7.63 x 25mm (.30 Mauser) having an integral 10 or 20 round magazine, 5-1/2 ", 6-1/4", or 7-1/8" barrel, and accompanied by an original Spanish manufactured detachable holster/stock.
Sedgley, Mark V, 10 gauge, signal pistol.
The Shatuck "Unique" palm gun in .22 and .32 cal. rimfire.
Smith & Wesson, model Military and Police revolver, cal. .38, S/N 112037, with original Ideal holster/shoulder stock.
Smith & Wesson, model 40, Light Rifle, cal. 9mm Parabellum.
Spanish Star, model A, semiautomatic pistol in cals. 7.63 Mauser, 9mm Parabellum, 9mm long, .38 ACP and .45 ACP, accompanied by original Spanish manufactured detachable wooden holster/shoulder stock.
Spanish manufactured copies of the Mauser, model 1896, semiautomatic pistol produced prior to 1946 in cal. 7.63mm or 9mm and having either integral or detachable magazines; accompanied by original Spanish manufactured detachable wooden holster/shoulder stock.
Stevens, Rifle, No. 20, w/smooth bore barrel for .22 and .32 rimfire shot cartridges.
Stevens, Reliable Pocket Rifle, second issue, cal. .22 long rifle or .22 Stevens-Pope.
Stevens, New model Pocket Rifle, first issue, cal. .22.
Stevens, New model Pocket Rifle, second issue, cal. .22 short, long or long rifle rim-fire, .22 WRF, .32 long centerfire.
Stevens, New model Pocket Rifle No. 40, cal.: .22 long, rifle, .22 WRF, .22 Stevens -Pope, and .32 long centerfire.
Steven, Hunter's Pet No. 34 Pocket Rifle, cal. .22 short rimfire to .44-40 WCF.
Stevens, Vernier Hunter's Pet No. 34 1/2 Pocket Rifle, cal. .22 short .44-40 WCF.
Stevens, Vernier New model Pocket Rifle 40 1/2, cal. .22 long rifle, .22 WRF, .22 Stevens-Pope, .32 long centerfire.
Stevens, 1898 New model Pocket Shotgun, in cals. .38-40 and .44-40.
Stevens, Number 39, New model Pocket Shotgun, in cals. .38-40 and .44-40.
Stevens, 44-1/2 rifle, .22 cal. S/N 11006 with two piece barrel owned by A.0. Neidner, Malden, MA.
Steyr Hahn, model 1911/12, semiautomatic pistol, cal. 9mm Steyr or 9mm Parabellum w/5" barrel and accompanied by an original European detachable holsterstock.
Strong, Breech Loading Salute Cannon, 10 gauge, manufactured by Strong Firearms Co., New Haven, CT after 1898.
Swedish, model P-40 Lahti, semiautomatic pistol, in cal. 9mm Parabellum, accompanied by original Swedish detachable wooden holster/shoulder stock.
The Taylor "Fur Getter" manufactured by the F.C. Taylor Fur Company, St. Louis, MO, .22 cal. rimfire.
U.S., Mark II, 10 gauge signal pistols.
Walther, model 1937, Pistol, "Armee Pistols," 9mm Parabellum, with original detachable shoulder stock and 4.9" barrel.
Webley & Scott Pistol, Mark I, No. 2, .455 cal., with original detachable shoulder stock.
Winchester, Model 36, shotgun, 9mm rimfire.
* Winchester Model 92 Carbine, cal. .32-20 WCF, with 14" barrel, S/N 850460
* Winchester Model 94 Trapper Carbine, cal. .25-35, with 14" barrel, S/N 814142
* Winchester Model 94 Trapper Carbine, cal. .30-30, with 15" barrel, S/N 1057043
Winchester, Model 1873, carbine, cal. .32-20 WCF, w/14" barrel, S/N 695081B
* Winchester, Model 1873, carbine, cal. .44, w/14" barrel, S/N 612999B
Winchester, Model 1873, carbine, cal. .44-40 WCF, w/14" barrel, S/N 7195108
Winchester, Model 1873, carbine, cal. .44-40 WCF, w/15" barrel, S/N 579080B
Winchester, Model 1873, carbine, cal. .44-40 w/14" barrel, S/N 710976B
Winchester, Model 1885, single short rifle, cal. .25/35, w/15" number 3 round barrel, shotgun butt, plain pistol grip and Winchester Express sight, S/N 104783
Winchester, Model 1892, carbine, cal. .25-20 WCF, w/14" barrel, S/Ns 575644 765952 *766291 818777 859912 903891 940986
Winchester, Model 1892, carbine, cal. .25-20 WCF, w/15" barrel, S/Ns 512237 692609 846245
* Winchester, Model 1892, carbine, cal. .32 WCF, with 14" barrel, S/N 772706
Winchester, Model 1892, carbine, cal. .32-20 WCF, w/15" barrel, S/Ns 475520 490150 807957
Winchester, Model 1892, carbine, cal. .32-20, w/14" barrel, S/Ns 615287 808290 826022 837181 850556 960471
Winchester, Model 1892, carbine, cal. .38-40 WCF, w/14 " barrel, S/Ns 288562 475736 653874 679709 847750 848745 848873 850811 887641 998845
Winchester, Model 1892, carbine, cal. .38-40 WCF, w/15" barrel, S/Ns 179252 408307 804878 832039 842788 843000
* Winchester Model 1892 carbine, cal. .44 WCF, W/14-1/8" barrel, S/N 982562
* Winchester Model 1892 carbine, cal. .44 WCF, w/14" barrel, S/Ns 879282 897168
* Winchester Model 1892 carbine, cal. .44 WCF, w/15" barrel, S/Ns 511099 650991
Winchester, Model 1892, carbine, cal. .44-40 WCF, w/14" barrel, S/Ns 268828 319250 320567 323300 323428 324318 340471 349471 446526 475736 495045 583403 600903 710267 743634 820170 823943 842679 852636 861856 895062 898838 898938 921643 948932 976596 977351 977828 978462 979227 979429 980097 981212 982483 984073 987239 987305 989144 993799 999398
Winchester, Model 1892, carbine, cal. .44-40 WCF,w/15" barrel, S/Ns 381573 414906 518748 659700 756846 816422 881573 896494 905158 954796 977103 988160 990107 994171 997305 998059 998419 998461 998679 998761 998844 998852
Winchester, Model 1894, carbine, cal. .25-35 WCF, w/14 " barrel, S/N 865268
Winchester, Model 1894, carbine, cal. .25-35 WCF, w/15 " barrel, S/Ns *444585 542097 589609
Winchester Model 1894 carbine, cal. .30 WCF, with 15-1/8" barrel, S/N 559831
Winchester Model 1894 carbine, cal. .30 WCF, w/15 " barrel, S/Ns 491869 820413 868912
Winchester, Model 1894, carbine, cal. .30-30 WCF, w/14" barrel, S/Ns 505307 793359 805815 864415
Winchester, Model 1894, carbine, cal. .30-30 WCF, w/15 " barrel, S/Ns 273691 315250 318257 324318 360587 368971 433426 444269 447421 464604 467286 481877 495342 593839 *638701 662192 701730 758406 794467 806780 820101 820375 839880 840123 862245 868769 870637 871276 883055 884272 885975 887409 910758 *923215 938370 952507 959421 973001 973063 986621 990851 991114 995540 995578 995675 998829 1004615 1004958 1009373 1013465 1013515 1017305 1017946 1017950 1021495 1032798 1033898 1033973 1034037 1040905 1046737 1051727 1052211 1052749 1052851 1052982 1059318 1066951 1068292 1072755 1090460
Winchester, Model 1894 carbine, cal. .32 WSPL, w/14" barrel, S/N 781211
Winchester, Model 1894 carbine, cal. .32 Winchester Special w/15" barrel, S/Ns 437440 860098 880845 1006715
Winchester, Model 1894 carbine, cal. .32-40, w/15 " barrel, S/N 807261
Winchester, Model 1894 carbine, cal. .38-55 WCF, w/15 " barrel, S/N 247646
Winchester Model 1894 Saddle Ring Carbine, cal. .25-35, w/15" barrel, S/N 812956
Winchester, 1902, pistol made from a rifle, cal. .22, produced at factory, having no S/N, but having a decorated stock and accompanied by documents denoting its use by Mr. Ned Tupperwein.

444
September 4, 2009, 01:12 PM
I know a guy that owns two of them.

I tried to weasel my way into shooting one but it went nowhere. I am not friends with the guy, but one of my friends is. He asked my buddy to handload some light loads for him to shoot out of the Liberator. I said, oh I got some light loads we could use, give him a call. But alas, I never heard any more about it.

Willie Lowman
September 4, 2009, 11:04 PM
From what I have been told by someone that owns one, they are inaccurate. The bullet is just as likely to key hole as strike straight on. They aren't really any fun to shoot.

Bill DeShivs
September 4, 2009, 11:31 PM
There is a rifled version being made now.
Search "Vintage Arms," or vintage ordnance.

fineredmist
September 5, 2009, 07:39 AM
The "Liberator" was designed for one purpose only and that was to kill a enemy soldier and "liberate" his weapon. They were not intended to be combat weapons so accuracy was not a factor. There small size would permit a person to come up on a target and shot it at almost contact distance. Thousands of these guns were dropped but how many were actually used is unknown. Personally I would not shoot one even with reduced loads as they are a poor design and questionable quality.

Lurch37
September 5, 2009, 12:18 PM
Biil is right, check this place out. And $600 beats the heck out of what you pay for an original.

http://vintageordnance.com/

The $599 price comes from their ad in the Sept. 1, 2009 issue of Shotgun News. Vintage Ordnance Company LLC. Phone 866-983-0006

PTK
September 6, 2009, 09:18 PM
$600 is a bit steep! I could make jigs and buy tooling, along with buying a few rifled barrel blanks, for less than that. Heck, if I "paid" myself $50/hr I could still probably bring it in under $600.

The packaging, however! :D

Bill DeShivs
September 7, 2009, 01:13 AM
I really doubt you can develop the dies to stamp the gun for $600!

PTK
September 7, 2009, 07:10 AM
Nope, but for a short production run, jigs and a press would get me damn close. :)

James K
September 7, 2009, 08:15 PM
There are many myths about the Liberator pistols, but the fact seems to be that none were ever dropped to anyone in Europe. Hundreds of thousands were sent to England but were not used and were eventually dumped in the ocean. Many went to the Pacific area, and a few went to the Philippines and China; a very few might have been used against the Japanese. Some were used by the Philippine police after WWII until they could get better weapons. The bulk met the same fate as those in Europe, destroyed as not worth the cost of sending home.

The whole thing was one of those wartime ideas that sounded good but was actually silly. It was based on a novel, The Moon Is Down, by John Steinbeck, about an armed populace rising against the conqueror. It made great reading but it is not in the nature of most folks to start killing enemy soldiers even if a gun is available. In occupied countries, a few people will fight, but the majority will just keep their heads down and hope no one bothers them.

Further, the idea seems to have been to drop the pistols without parachutes, which should have made some odd shaped holes in roofs or people's heads. Much more effective weapons were dropped, by parachute, to resistance forces. By any reasonable measure a STEN is a better weapon than a Liberator.

Responsibility for the pistols was passed around among allied commanders with a "you take them, no you take them" attitude. In fact no one could think of a reasonable need or any use to which they could be put. And of course, the .45 ACP would have been unobtainable in Europe, so once the ten rounds in the pistol were gone, it was trash.

A neat and valuable collector's item, made scarce because the vast majority were destroyed, but without any real combat history.

Jim

mp25ds4
September 7, 2009, 08:26 PM
I remember seeing one of these at a gun show, i cant remember the exact price but im almost positive it was in the thousands for an original.
600 doesnt sound too bad for a repro