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NightSight
July 31, 2009, 03:15 PM
A few questions for you all. I know people who have weapons placed about every 5 feet or so throughout their house. I am trying to get a gauge as to what the norm is. I know there are some out there that will keep their carry weapons on them in the house as well, but then again, I am sure there are others who do not. So...

How do you strategically place your weapons throughout your house??

Is one on each floor sufficient?? One in each room?? Just one in the bedroom?? Different types in different locations??

How do you secure these satellite weapons??

Thanks in advance for the input.

tmd11111
July 31, 2009, 03:19 PM
I know people who have weapons placed about every 5 feet or so throughout their house

A little paranoid are we !!!

This sounds more like an accident waiting to happen then HD.

NightSight
July 31, 2009, 03:25 PM
A little paranoid are we !!!

Some might consider owning a gun at all paranoid. Others do not. It's all relative. I'll mark you down as someone who thinks that one every 5 feet is excessive :D.

Some people want the assurance of having a gun close by at all times, but like to have lounge wear on at home. After all, they have just lugged that uncomfortable piece of steel in their pants for 8-10 hours. Besides, if you have the guns, the money for safe storage, and live alone, why not??

Tucker 1371
July 31, 2009, 04:07 PM
My beef with keeping weapons in various locations around the house is that they could fall into the hands of the intruder they were meant to stop. Plus I think it's a little unnecessary. If you CCW and you're that concerned about it just keep your CCW on you at home. As for me, one gun upstairs and one gun downstairs is sufficient.

Southern Rebel
July 31, 2009, 04:21 PM
Some might consider owning a gun at all paranoid. Others do not. It's all relative. I'll mark you down as someone who thinks that one every 5 feet is excessive

Interesting thought. I guess that means that as long as we can stay between "Totally Naive" and "Totally Paranoid", we are normal - it's just that some of are more normal than others?

Now all that is left is for some social scientist to produce a chart that will intertwine all the relative factors such as neighborhood, individual situational awareness quotient, and our structural environment. (Now that gives me a headache!)

I used to have just one gun in the house - in the bedroom. Then a comment on a gun forum a couple of years ago greatly influenced me. The comment was basically that if you feel the need to have a gun in your house, you should also feel the need to have immediate access to it. I now subscribe to that theory. I have one in the bedroom, one in the den, and one that I carry if I am not gonna be located in one of those two rooms for an extended time. (ie sleeping, computering, coach-potato practicing). The carry is just a pocket pistol, but still better than nothing.

I am probably a little closer to paranoid than naive :), but I just think of it as being a little more prepared than maybe I have to be. I relate it to my paranoid habit of carrying a decent amount of cash around with me. It just gives me a "comfort zone" within which I am content.

bigghoss
July 31, 2009, 04:29 PM
I strategically place it in the holster on my hip

NightSight
July 31, 2009, 05:17 PM
Interesting thought. I guess that means that as long as we can stay between "Totally Naive" and "Totally Paranoid", we are normal - it's just that some of are more normal than others?

Once again, normal is a severely relative term. As an old football coach once told me, "We are all messed up, just some of us are more messed up than others." Of course I changed the language to appease the mods;).

My beef with keeping weapons in various locations around the house is that they could fall into the hands of the intruder they were meant to stop.

I agree. That's one point that I brought up with How do you secure these satellite weapons??

I'll toss out an answer to my own question. One solution that I have considered is placing a gun vault in a closet on each floor. Any thoughts??

riggins_83
July 31, 2009, 05:36 PM
I'd rather just leave it on my hip at home versus having one every 5 feet. Get to it faster anyway!

jimbob86
July 31, 2009, 05:45 PM
Mine are strategicly placed in my safe.......:D

lomaxanderson
July 31, 2009, 05:59 PM
one floor home ....3 locations works for me...if you don't know where to look you would not find them causally...

armsmaster270
July 31, 2009, 07:22 PM
Oh my hip is fine I've done it since 1968 a few more years won't matter.

EricReynolds
July 31, 2009, 09:57 PM
GSUeagle makes a very valid point. My guns are all secured in my bedroom. When I'm home at night, I tend to watch tv in my chair next to the front window and I watch all sorts of assorted creatures of the night walk by my house. I keep a gun with me then. I lock it up in the safe when I hit the hay. I can't keep anything stashed around the house for another reason. I have 2 small children. Especially with my son, it would be a serious liability. At 2 1/2, he's already one of us. He likes his guns. I find his toys around the house eough. He doesn't need to find mine.

27Veer
July 31, 2009, 10:16 PM
I agree with keeping the loaded piece on me, the others are locked up.

Sixer
August 1, 2009, 05:58 AM
If it's not on my hip then it's somewhere in reach. I keep all but my CCW locked up. I can see the benefits of having a couple guns secured throughout the home (ie kitchen, upstairs, entryway, etc.) but every 5 feet is a bit excessive IMO. Let's say you live in an average size house, maybe 1500 - 2000 sq ft... That's a lot of hidden guns :)

scottaschultz
August 1, 2009, 06:04 AM
I know people who have weapons placed about every 5 feet or so throughout their house.If you have that much fear and that much money... MOVE!!!

Scott

JustDreadful
August 1, 2009, 06:07 AM
One upstairs, one downstairs. When I go to bed, the "downstairs" gun goes upstairs, and gets locked in a GunVault. The "upstairs" gun is my CCW, so it goes with me when I leave the house.

Everything else in the big safe. No unsecured guns when I'm not home.

m&p45acp10+1
August 1, 2009, 08:37 AM
Due to the fact that I live in a rental property I keep one weapon. My carry gun. If it is not on my body it is within reach at all times. I have had guns stolen from my apartment once by one of the employees there, so I learned the lesson the hard way. Also I live 3 blocks from a halfway house for newly released felons, and directly behind a "no tell motel" so I just keep one to prevent a theft of my firearms from happening again.

curt.45
August 1, 2009, 09:29 AM
After all, they have just lugged that uncomfortable piece of steel in their pants for 8-10 hours.

really, truly its not all that heavy and I carry a big old bulky P-90, dosen't bother me one bit.

Bismarck357
August 1, 2009, 09:31 AM
I keep my SA XD40sc on my person at all times, I keep all my rifles in my armory/office,on my night stand sits my S&W 640 and my XD40. Next to my night stand is my Remington tactical 12 gadge pump and my grandfather's old doublebarrel coach gun.On my wife's nightstand sits her Kahr CW40 and her old Taurus M85. In the master bathroom I keep a .25 Raven auto next to the crapper. In the kitchen in the back of the silverwear drawr I keep a loaded S&W 686. I think that about covers it.

curt.45
August 1, 2009, 09:37 AM
a .25 raven in the crapper, sorry that just cracks me up.

ammo.crafter
August 1, 2009, 09:40 AM
keep two me and my wife prefer to have them handy but stashed were we know we they are.
As for kids.they should be taught how they operate and the destructive power contained within.
Knowledge is safety.

Bud Helms
August 1, 2009, 09:43 AM
I know people who have weapons placed about every 5 feet or so throughout their house.
If you have that much fear and that much money... MOVE!!!

Scott

Making some assumptions, aren't we? What makes you think it's based on fear?

I don't and probably wouldn't have firearms spaced all over the house like that, but I do see an assumption here on your part.

OldMarksman
August 1, 2009, 10:28 AM
I read an article on the Charter Arms .44 By bart Skelton or Jim Wilson (I think) in which the author said he intended to buy another one to keep in a second location.

I started thinking about that (would have used quick combo safes) and decided that while having two or three guns in different locations would be better than having one upstairs, there was no really good answer other than a pocket holster.

Before coming to that conclusion, I must confess that I saw a post asking about who carried at home. Wow! I thought that was the ultimate in paranoia!

But think about it. It's accessible to me and not to others.

There was an episode of The Best Defense in which there was a dramatization of a woman hearing glass break and racing a home invader toward the bedroom to get to her gun. She made it--but the skit substantiates my thinking, at least to me--and for my particular house layout.

ranchman
August 1, 2009, 10:40 AM
I think it all depends on your situation really. I personally keep one in the bedroom of course. But as far as the rest of the house there are three levels. I keep a shotty on every floor loaded ready to go. The rest are locked up in the vault. You can never be to careful. If you have a bunch of kids you have to get creative or just not keep anything out.

Every 5 feet? I dont know where that person lives but that is a lot of guns through out the house to be accessed to. We all hope we dont ever have to use them but it happens every day.

Mello2u
August 1, 2009, 10:54 AM
Keeping several loaded weapons throughout the house can be complicated by the presence of others. Others being anyone but the owner of the guns. A spouse with the proper mental attitude and training is not a problem. The same for your children of a certain age (depends on the individual) with the proper mental attitude and training. Children certainly complicate matters. If their age is in the single digits they might not be able to be trusted to properly follow the safety rules all of the time.

If they or you have guests over, are you going to do a "gun round-up"? What if you have a service call? What if the neighbors drop over? What if you kids have a friend drop by? Hum, did I get all of them of is there one still stuffed in the couch/lazyboy/bookshelf?

Seems to me the best solution to having a firearm available is to carry it in a holster on your person. When I'm dressed I'm carrying a full sized 1911. That way a handgun is never out of reach.

I'm a "no" on placing several guns around the home.

Glenn E. Meyer
August 1, 2009, 11:53 AM
I would need 130 guns to cover my house. Oh, dear - guess what I have to buy?

Carry one.

Tombstonejim
August 1, 2009, 12:31 PM
Well No one really answered so I will.

Bedroom 1911 my side of bed, glock for wife on her side, Rossi carbine behind door.

Laundry room gun storage most loaded.

Upstairs office Remington 700 behind door, .25 ACP laying on my desk. There is a second floor deck on this room and I can see well over 1000yds in 3 directions. Including my gate which is 880 feet.

Upstairs bedroom Siamese Mauser 45-70 behind door. An upstairs deck covering the direction I can't see from the office. 1000 yds line of sight.

Overkill maybe. But two drug smugglers hit a cattle guard and turned their truck over less than a mile from my house last week. They walked to the nearest house and waited for the owner to come home, planning who knows what. Fortunately he is a retired state cop and was carrying his 1911. They decided they only wanted to call 911 to get a wrecker. Lots more to story but too long for here.


Sheriff response time to my house is 45 minutes minimum.

Oldster
August 1, 2009, 02:45 PM
I keep my Officer's model on me at all times at home. A firearm sitting on the nightstand in the bedroom, or 10 feet away behind a door does no good if you are in the family room and someone busts down the door. With home invasions on the increase, it's not paranoia it's being prepared. I'd rather be considered paranoid and have it on me when I need it, than considered dead and it be 10 feet away from my body.

thallub
August 1, 2009, 03:52 PM
There are four S&W model 10 revolvers hidden strategically in this house. There is my Charter Arms .44 Special on this desk in my office. An AR-15 is located in the master bedroom.

firespectrum
August 1, 2009, 07:17 PM
Hiding guns throughout your house assumes that your home will be invaded while you're there. Most burglars wait until you leave the house. You might as well gift wrap your guns for them. Oh and your hiding places might fool the 16 year old smash and grabber, but your sneaky stash spots are well known in the criminal world: under the mattress, between couch cushions, under the bottom dresser drawer, in the freezer, in the toilet tank, in the pantry, in air vents, basically if you thought it was slick the bad guys already know about it because you're not the first one to try it. Please, let's not give the bad guys guns.

thallub
August 1, 2009, 07:41 PM
Please, let's not give the bad guys guns.


Had one burglary in 1986. They stole everything of value except guns, they never touched a gun. Twice in my long lifetime I have defended my family and my home from armed home invaders. Came out on top both times thanks to guns that were easily accessible. I am not changing what works for me, burglars be darned.

firespectrum
August 1, 2009, 07:57 PM
Came out on top both times thanks to guns that were easily accessible.

On your hip is about as easily accessible as it gets.

Tom Servo
August 1, 2009, 09:25 PM
Does a Garand on the kitchen table count? :)

There are effective ways to hide and distribute weapons at choke points; I wouldn't divulge where mine are on the internet if I did, though.

I usually have my carry gun next to the coffee while I'm at my desk. I have a rifle within about ten steps if I should need it.

Of course, the only two ways into my house involve climbing a long, creaky wooden staircase, so I'm likely to have some warning.

Doug S
August 1, 2009, 11:55 PM
Interesting thread. I had something happen a few weeks back that turned out to be nothing (at least nothing that I can logically explain), but at the time I thought someone was in the house (and very close to me). I won't bore you with the "strange" details, but it really made me aware of the fact that without my gun on me, I wouldn't have had time to get the gun.

Lost Sheep
August 2, 2009, 02:59 AM
The deeper your defensive perimeter, the longer it takes for an invader to get into your house, therefore you have more time to retrieve your phone, flashlight baseball bat/gun/taser/whatever.

So, deepen and harden your perimeter defenses.

Most people will be adequately protected with their defense tools in two places, maybe three.

Bedroom, where you are when many burglaries take place.
Close to where you are when opening the door to visitors, delivery persons, etc. where a home invader might be ringing your doorbell.
The room (aside from the bedroom) where you spend most of your time when not sleeping.

I have often thought that this would be a good place to stash a gun:

Cut a hole in a sheetrock wall, put your gun in the space between the studs and then patch the hole with styrofoam, spackle and paint to match the original wall. Done properly, the patch will be invisible, but the styrofoam can be broken out instantly and easily.

If your carpentry skills are not that great, the patchwork can be covered with a clock, picture, painting or decorative sconce. Just make the placement look "natural" so it doesn't scream "Hiding place" to the practised criminal eye.

If you go around to the opposite side of the wall and frame in a small door with a lock, you can retrieve the gun for checking the flashlight for battery changing and other such maintenance tasks.

Lost Sheep.

Skan21
August 2, 2009, 03:14 AM
I just KNEW this picture would come in handy! I found this on a thread a few weeks ago. I can never resist cracking a smile when I see it.:D

OldMarksman
August 2, 2009, 08:23 AM
I keep my Officer's model on me at all times at home. A firearm sitting on the nightstand in the bedroom, or 10 feet away behind a door does no good if you are in the family room and someone busts down the door. With home invasions on the increase, it's not paranoia it's being prepared. I'd rather be considered paranoid and have it on me when I need it, than considered dead and it be 10 feet away from my body.

My thoughts exactly.

skydiver3346
August 2, 2009, 09:08 AM
:o Well, I must admit I have a few around the homestead myself. Am not trying to be paranoid but rather being prepared in the event of a home invasion. Lots of those going on in the city where I live.

Actually to each his own would be the answer to this post. Whatever makes you feel safer in your home. My kids are up and grown and moved away so no problems with kids in the home. My wife and I both are experienced shooters of all our weapons we own, (revolvers and autos). We both feel a lot better knowing we don't have to run to the safe, unlock it and retrieve a gun for self defense situations. Thus, we have three weapons placed strategically around our home.
1. Bedroom night stand (Glock 21 with tactical light)
2. Living room (S&W Model 64 hidden in side pocket of my Lazy Boy TV chair)
3. Office (model 60 hidden behind computer)

bikerbill
August 2, 2009, 11:33 AM
I spend a lot of time at home (retired) so during the day I simply carry my j-frame in a pocket holster ... I agree that leaving guns all over the house is a bad idea ... so ... my nightstand gun is always available. I keep a revolver in the commode area of the bathroom (never get caught with my pants down). My carry weapons -- in summer the 637 or a Kahr PM9 -- are loaded and in the center drawer of the dresser, which is inside a big walkin closet, not in the bedroom. No kids, obviously; if we have some visiting the guns are unloaded and locked away until the house returns to normal. My wife's not a shooter, tho she's had enough training to know how to operate all our guns in case of emergency. I'm encouraging her to get a CHL and she seems to at least be receptive to a discussion ...

My870inVT
August 2, 2009, 05:15 PM
I live in a fairly good neighborhood in a small city so I don;t feel the need to carry in home.

I do however keep a 9 +1 22. loaded in my coffee table in my living room, where i spend most of my morning/afternoon during daylight hours. Enough to get my upstairs if i have to. (Hopefully land a couple hits while that dirtbag realizes the sliding glass door is double chained :cool:...)

As for night-time I have my 16 +1 9mm on my nightstand with no clip in but two full magazines.

And if It really hits the fan I always have my trusty Remington 870 leaning on my dresser with a box of shells.

For a two bedroom condo i feel thats enough of a spread to help me sleep well enough at night.

tjhands
August 2, 2009, 05:41 PM
I am probably a little closer to paranoid than naive :)


Without pecking away redundantly, this about sums me up for me and mine. ;)

BlackFeather
August 2, 2009, 05:51 PM
I know ill get feedback on this one... but I have knives, short and long swords, along with wooden "tools"... around the house... some are more hidden depending on whats needed... but the guns are with me... so if im not near the guns they are inaccessible to an invader but I have something anywhere.... I live in a small house anyways so its easy to get the guns on my end....

tjhands
August 2, 2009, 05:52 PM
....but your sneaky stash spots are well known in the criminal world: under the mattress, between couch cushions, under the bottom dresser drawer, in the freezer, in the toilet tank, in the pantry, in air vents, basically if you thought it was slick the bad guys already know about it because you're not the first one to try it. Please, let's not give the bad guys guns.


Pat? Pat???

Oh, sorry......I thought you were my mother-in-law.

See, guys, these are the types of people that we fight against: people who claim that no matter what we do to protect ourselves; whether it's a woman carrying a gun in her purse to a person keeping a gun at home "in the toilet tank" - we are always the paranoid extremists who will, despite of and because of our best efforts, will only contribute to increased and self-inflicted crime in and out of our homes.

I spit on this ideology and everyone who espouses and subscribes to it. Disgusting.

BlackFeather
August 2, 2009, 05:57 PM
@tj hands: im amused by your statement... but thats about it...

firespectrum
August 2, 2009, 06:18 PM
See, guys, these are the types of people that we fight against: people who claim that no matter what we do to protect ourselves; whether it's a woman carrying a gun in her purse to a person keeping a gun at home "in the toilet tank" - we are always the paranoid extremists who will, despite of and because of our best efforts, will only contribute to increased and self-inflicted crime in and out of our homes.

I spit on this ideology and everyone who espouses and subscribes to it. Disgusting.

If I thought owning guns or using them to protect our families was extremest, I would not be on this forum. I own firearms and I think it's a citizen's duty to protect himself and his way of life, but I also apply some common sense and responsibility in my life and my firearms employment. Most robberies do not happen when the victim is home and therefore leaving them unsecured when you leave the house is negligent in my opinion. It doesn't matter how many guns you have, if you're not there to pull the trigger it won't make a difference. That's why I'm a believer in keeping your carry gun on you AT ALL TIMES, so you don't have to hide it in your pantry.

Our real enemies want us to turn against each other like British gun owners did before they lost all their rights. Don't presume to think I'm an Uncle Tom just because I don't leave my guns lying around when I leave my house. Don't point your finger at me or put words in my mouth - you know nothing about me. I am an NRA member, a US Serviceman, and a RESPONSIBLE gun owner - I am not the enemy.

tjhands
August 2, 2009, 06:59 PM
I also apply some common sense and responsibility in my life and my firearms employment

Meh, this sentence sounds oddly familiar. Can't think of where I heard it last: CNN, NBC, ABC, CBS, PBS, MSNBC. Forgive me for the confusion, but it was somewhere in there. ;)

Listen, man, I do believe you when you say that you're on the RKBA side of the issue - your posts speak for themselves and I appreciate the effort and the candor - but, like you said: when cornered, we gun-owners tend to circle the wagons and fire our guns inward.

Going by your blame-ourselves post in this thread, I think you fired the first shot. :cool:

alloy
August 2, 2009, 07:09 PM
That seems like an awful lot of guns(for me) to fumble. The regular holster/handgun, anything else is stowed.

firespectrum
August 2, 2009, 07:27 PM
Meh, this sentence sounds oddly familiar. Can't think of where I heard it last: CNN, NBC, ABC, CBS, PBS, MSNBC. Forgive me for the confusion, but it was somewhere in there.

Common sense and responsibility are the foundation of our republic and I make no apologies for advocating them. These leftist organizations you are so desperately trying to tie me to twist "common sense" to effect restrictions and skew "responsibility" to effect blame, this does not mean we should throw out either common sense or personal responsibility. I'm not talking about legislation, this thread is about a personal responsibility issue.

And I am not self-blaming. If your gun is stolen the thief is the criminal, not you. But does this mean you shouldn't try to do prevent your gun from being stolen? I don't understand why you are so hostile about the idea of a gun owner locking up his guns. No one here is saying that you should be legally required to lock up your guns. This thread is about whether or not it's a good idea to tactically stash them around the house, and you're going to call me the "people we fight against" and "spit" on me just because I don't think it's a good idea?

NightSight
August 3, 2009, 09:55 AM
I think that a lot of this confusion could have been prevented if everyone would have read the OP.

How do you secure these satellite weapons??

No one is advocating irresponsible gun ownership.

Also, maybe I should clear up some confusion. When I said every five feet, I meant that you would always be within five feet of a weapon. Some people seem to think that means 1 gun for every 5 square feet. That's not the case. You could put 1 gun in the middle of a 10x10 room and be pretty close to being no farther than 5 feet away anywhere in the room.

This means that the particular person I am speaking about probably has about 15 guns stashed, not 100+.

bababooey32
August 3, 2009, 10:31 AM
I've been thinking about this issue recently. We have a 7,000 sqft home spread across 2 levels. Currently we have 1 gun in a lock box in the bedroom. If I were downstairs in the office when an intruder came in, I would have to walk right in front of him to the stairs to get to the gun. Not good! I also have 2 little ones (3 and 5 yrs old), so I would have to hide AND secure any supplemental firearms. My wife would think I was a kook if I carried around the house, as logical as it may be. So I am wrestling with where and how to secure additional "help".

OldMarksman
August 3, 2009, 11:07 AM
Currently we have 1 gun in a lock box in the bedroom. If I were downstairs in the office when an intruder came in, I would have to walk right in front of him to the stairs to get to the gun. Not good!

I suspect that many people have the same issue.

I anyone were to break in through the front door while I were anywhere downstairs, he would have my way to the bedroom blocked.

Anyone breaking in from the screen porch in the back while I were in the kitchen would have me blocked.

And so on. Best case, I would be racing someone up the stairs. But where would that leave my wife?

But where to stash? My answer -- front right pocket , in a holster. Safe, effective, less exposure to theft.

armsmaster270
August 3, 2009, 06:27 PM
That's the answer, if it's not on you, its only a paperweight.

FlyboyTx
August 3, 2009, 09:16 PM
Nightstand gun (Kimber Custom TLE/II w/two mags) w/trigger lock. Go to bed: unlock. Get up: lock. Only I know where the keys are.

TV gun: in the drawer next to the "daddy chair" in the family room (XD45 w/two mags). Has punch-pin type trigger lock. I practice unlocking by feel regularly--in the dark--yes, it's unloaded then ;).

Carry gun away from home: Kahr CW 9 w/two mags (hmmmm...I see a pattern here.....).

Depending on dress, Kahr goes along for the ride (Wilderness "Safepacker") and Kel-tec .32 goes in the pocket (one back up mag).

When at home, between work and bedtime, carry gun is locked away, replaced by Kel-tec .32 in a KD pocket holster as the "always gun," until bed time (see first paragraph).

We have a long, ranch-style home, with master BR and Family Room at totally opposite ends of the house. So, I have one gun at each end of the house, and the house mouse (.32) in me pocket.

FBT

docpadds
August 3, 2009, 11:27 PM
Generally have my Glock 19 in my belt, except when my son is with me (my daughter is no issue but my son has responsibility issues we are working through).
Beside the bed is a quick release handgun safe that i practice opening in dark in nights i cant sleep LOL
Heaven forbid i get to the gun safe about 20 feet away, at that point i have all manner of goodies and calibers to choose from, wouldnt know which one to grab :)
Have had somebody try and get into the house when i was home alone before, never again.