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gdeal
July 22, 2009, 05:29 PM
could you use the Springfield Armory SoCOM 16 for hunting dangerous North American game?

davlandrum
July 22, 2009, 05:41 PM
hunting dangerous North American game?

Do you mean bears? Grizzly and Brown?

I think you meant the question to be "would you..?" Because I could, but I wouldn't.:eek:

gdeal
July 22, 2009, 06:02 PM
Do you mean bears? Grizzly and Brown?

I think you meant the question to be "would you..?" Because I could, but I wouldn't.

Ok. Thanks. Let's cut to the chase and close this thread out.
What would be the best rifle and the best round for hunting Grizzly Bears?
Or.. what would be some very good rifleS and roundS to do that kind of hunting?

Doc Intrepid
July 22, 2009, 06:33 PM
I don't know that it's the BEST....

There are many rounds and rifles that would work.

But the .338 Winchester Magnum is a nice round, and with something like a heavy Barnes bullet would do the trick assuming you put the round where it needs to go.

Other guys like .375s and even .458s. Here's a link:
http://www.huntingmag.com/big_game/bear_busting/index1.html


JMHO...

YMMV.

Edward429451
July 22, 2009, 06:35 PM
45/70 heavy hardcast bullets

lockedcj7
July 22, 2009, 06:48 PM
I wouldn't hunt brown bears with anything less than a .338 win. mag. A Ruger Hawkeye alaskan in .375 would be just the ticket.

W. C. Quantrill
July 22, 2009, 09:39 PM
You'de do well to check with Alaska or Canada game people to see what they allow and recommend.

hardluk1
July 23, 2009, 02:30 PM
Talk to your outfitter about what they would like to see, This is a good place to be over gunned than under.308??? NO. Bet a 338win mag would be a starting spot.

Buzzcook
July 23, 2009, 11:37 PM
It really depends on how and where you're going to hunt the grizzly. It also depends on how good a shot you are.

It seems like most people plan on a grizzly that jumps up at 20yds and charges. If that's the norm, then you need a very big caliber. I'm not a grizzly expert so I can't challenge that perception. It just doesn't seem like that'd be the norm, especially on a guided hunt.

Last month someone posted pics of a guy with two mammoth bears that he'd shot with an M1 Carbine. I guess that guy didn't get the message

hardluk1
July 24, 2009, 02:17 PM
If i saw a grizz at 20 yards i would want a 416 rem.

gdeal
July 24, 2009, 02:20 PM
If i saw a grizz at 20 yards i would want a 416 rem.

Yeah but the only problem is you won't always have that with you, right?

Doc Intrepid
July 24, 2009, 02:36 PM
"If i saw a grizz at 20 yards i would want a 416 rem."Heh...

If at 20 yards, I'd prefer a semi-automatic 12 ga shotgun with a magazine extension that holds 8-9 rounds of Brenneke slugs -

http://www.brennekeusa.com/

http://www.dixieslugs.com/products.html

At that range you'll have something on the order of seconds if the bear charges...

hardluk1
July 24, 2009, 02:40 PM
If was going grizzy hunting i would probably have a guide in front and with two big bores between us a 338 in all likelyhood is what i would carry but with barnes bullets. now at 20 yards , shot the guide and run ,,right?? hehehe Better hope you see him first and 2 quick shots do the job..

gdeal
July 24, 2009, 02:42 PM
If was going grizzy hunting i would probably have a guide in front ...

Yeah I think that would be the only way to go dangerous game hunting. I wouldn't want to do it by myself.

publius
July 24, 2009, 05:06 PM
If I were going to buy a gun for grizzly it would be a .375 H&H. But I would probably just use my .338 b/c I already have it.

RobertRogers
July 24, 2009, 05:59 PM
Of course it depends upon what you think of as dangerous. Whitetail deer are dangerous, as numerous people have discovered the hard way.

Doyle
July 25, 2009, 09:14 PM
Get a lot of those dangerous grizzly bears in southern Commiefornia do ya?:rolleyes:

Fat White Boy
July 25, 2009, 10:53 PM
I have heard unconfirmed reports of grizzly in Sequoia National Forest. The Black bears in California can get sizeable. A world record for archery black bear was set in 2008 in Northern California. It's skull measured 23 13/16. That would put it's weight in the 700-800 pound range. California ranks behind only Alaska on the West Coast in the number of black bears submitted for records and 7th overall in the U.S. The last Grizzly killed in Southern California was back in the 1890's. They were a fairly common sight in the 1700/1800's in SoCal, frequently seen on the beach eating whale and seal carcasses...Coincidently, these same carcasses were a major food source for the California Condor.

See what happens when you save the whales? The frickin grizzlies and Condors go extinct!!!

A bumper sticker I have seen-"Nuke the gay baby whales"

gdeal
July 26, 2009, 12:07 PM
I have heard unconfirmed reports of grizzly in Sequoia National Forest. The Black bears in California can get sizeable. A world record for archery black bear was set in 2008 in Northern California. It's skull measured 23 13/16. That would put it's weight in the 700-800 pound range. California ranks behind only Alaska on the West Coast in the number of black bears submitted for records and 7th overall in the U.S. The last Grizzly killed in Southern California was back in the 1890's. They were a fairly common sight in the 1700/1800's in SoCal, frequently seen on the beach eating whale and seal carcasses...Coincidently, these same carcasses were a major food source for the California Condor.

See what happens when you save the whales? The frickin grizzlies and Condors go extinct!!!


That's interesting.

Art Eatman
July 27, 2009, 07:48 AM
The term "dangerous game" is generally taken to mean the larger bears of Alaska and the African critters such as the lion and buffalo. There is the issue of "stop" as well as that of "kill". A .308 is nowhere near the proper selection for these.

By and large, there are no huntable animals in the lower 48 which can't readily be dealt with via a .308.

Steve1911
July 27, 2009, 08:53 AM
You could buy a Mosin Nagant... It is 1mm longer than the .308 ...

If you take more than 5 shots to take him down you could always beat him to death with the gun...:D

It all comes back to shot placement.

Old Grump
July 27, 2009, 11:59 AM
could you use the Springfield Armory SoCOM 16 for hunting dangerous North American game?
You could but you shouldn't. I wouldn't be afraid to use it on Elk or Moose or even Cougar but anything that weighs 3 times more than me, can run 2 times faster than me and can eat me...NO! Start with 338 and work your way up from there. Whatever you can handle and can afford. Even a 12 gauge trumps your 308 at bear distances. (no, buckshot is not a good idea either)