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Firepower!
July 19, 2009, 10:48 AM
Hi
If you can legally CCW in your locality, would carry the weapon on your person or leave it in the car?

I am asking this question because I see many folks leaving their weapon in the car even when they have the permit to CCW. It is mostly because either they think the odds of needing one is low or just for comfort.

What is your opinion on this issue? Does your locality influence your decision?

Regards

lockedcj7
July 19, 2009, 10:58 AM
I have a permit but there are limits on the places we can lawfully carry in our state. There are also some federal laws about places we can't carry. In addition, our state allows businesses to post very specific signage indicating that CC is not permitted. If we ignore those rules and get caught, we can lose our permit, pay a fine and/or possibly be sent to jail depending on which rule we break.

I prefer to obey the law as much as possible, even if I don't agree with it. Because of that, I'm forced to leave my weapon in the car often. If I can legally carry it into the establishment, then I do.

hoytinak
July 19, 2009, 11:00 AM
I do both. I keep one in my truck with a couple spare mags 24/7 and when I'm outta the house I'm CCing also.

Kyo
July 19, 2009, 11:01 AM
I carry everywhere I can legally for a reason. No idea why someone would carry only part of the time unless its the law/work issue

bigghoss
July 19, 2009, 11:02 AM
I carry on my person wherever I can legally do so. when I got the the post office I leave it in the car. I don't take it to work at all because I'm not allowed to bring weapons on post, even though when I get to work they issue me an m16 and m9 beretta.

m&p45acp10+1
July 19, 2009, 11:03 AM
Mine goes where I go, there are times when I leave it in the car if I can not legaly carry it into where I am going. That is a very short list of places that if I go there it is a quick in and out thing. My girlfriend sometimes leaves hers in the car because she knows that I have mine on me. (Like the times when she is dressed to kill. That dress leaves no place to hide anything on her body. :cool: No complaints from me on that one):D

Re4mer
July 19, 2009, 12:41 PM
I don't agree with leaving guns in the car, however if you are forced to for some unforeseen reason make sure to get a good car safe. Nothing would be worse than coming back to your car to find that your gun has be stolen.

Shadi Khalil
July 19, 2009, 04:31 PM
I hate to leave me sunglasses in my car, let alone my CCW.

Tucker 1371
July 19, 2009, 04:41 PM
My grandfather has a carry permit but leaves it in the car... I don't get it but I've never asked him about it either.

MLeake
July 19, 2009, 05:46 PM
... some people are worried more about areas they transit than the areas where they actually spend time.

This assumes people leave it in the car when the law doesn't require them not to carry.

lockedcj7
July 19, 2009, 05:48 PM
It's not very likely that anyone is going to break into my vehicle looking for valuables. It's a ten-year-old truck with over 200K mi. and it shows. It doesn't have fancy rims, GPS, I-pod, fuzzbuster, or even an aftermarket radio. There's always half a bag worth of trash in the floorboards and I don't leave anything valuable in plain sight. It's a rare occasion for me to be out after dark and I pretty-much keep to low-crime areas. All that said...

I haven't really considered getting a safe for my vehicle up 'till now but I probably will. It was illegal to have my CCW in my vehicle at work but now it's legal. I'm thinking about a vehicle safe to add some liability protection for myself and to add some cushion between me and my bosses should it ever be discovered. (Even though it's newly legal and we don't have a policy banning it, I still don't think it would be warmly received.)

Stevie-Ray
July 19, 2009, 06:48 PM
Only time I leave it locked up in the car is when I have to by law.

mwar410
July 19, 2009, 06:53 PM
I really hate to leave a loaded handgun in the car when I'm not allowed to carry. I just don't go where I can't legally carry, unless I leave the house unarmed, it is a dilema.

sidaemon
July 19, 2009, 09:59 PM
Personally, I feel I'm far more likely to need the gun outside the car than in it, so it comes with me unless its illegal for me to carry.

My work doesn't allow me to even have a gun in my car while parked on the property. I don't like it, but I obey it. If I go out after work, I go home first pick up my .45 and carry it.

Zac.

Nnobby45
July 19, 2009, 10:10 PM
When I made the self commitment to be armed for self defense, it meant be armed. Didn't mean just carry until the novelty wore off and it wasn't fun anymore. It didn't mean play guessing games with re: to where I thought I might need it, or am I more or less likely to need it in the car or out?

For some CCW licensee's, that "commitment" amounts to "criminal assault roulette"--in other words, not much at all.:cool:

If I have to disarm myself to go into a building, that's what the lock box in my car is for---so I can immediately rearm myself and go about my business. For those who feel that they might as well be disarmed the whole day because one place on their schedule precludes them from being armed, then that's their call. Not mine.

rickyjames
July 19, 2009, 11:02 PM
i don't mean to hijack the thread but the topic begs another question. when you CC do you use a strap on holster or a slip on quick detachable holster? it seems many of the most favorite holsters thread on the belt rather than the quick detach type. what are the favorite quick detachable holsters? maybe the type of holster or the comfort of the holster has a bearing on way people either choose to wear all the time or leave the gun in the car.

Frank Ettin
July 20, 2009, 12:20 AM
Whenever I legally can carry, I do carry. Most of the time when I need to leave my gun in the car because I'm going somewhere I can't carry it, I just leave my holster on. I usually won't be gone long, and I use a Milt Sparks VM2 IWB holster so it's not too obvious, and it's still covered. Of course it has snapping straps if I want to take it off.

Nnobby45
July 20, 2009, 04:03 AM
I usually won't be gone long, and I use a Milt Sparks VM2 IWB holster so it's not too obvious, and it's still covered.

The VM2 is one of my favorites and I wear one often. It can be unsnapped quickly. I always stick the holster and mag. pouch in my vest, so that, say, when I'm done with the Dr., etc., my gear is back on after a quick trip to the bathroom-- or in the stairwell if necessary. Just need to get my pistol and mag.'s out of my car lock box and quickly re-arm.

A 642 BUG normally accompanies me for such occasions, hidden in my vest (not at the gym), and the vest is always with me. Had an Xray tech take my vest once to hang it up. She said "wow that's heavy what's in there a gun just lay down over here Mr. Wells." :D


I've been putting a holster and mag pouch on in the gym for 15 years with people around me. If anyone noticed, they didn't say a word. Can be done very unobtrusively with your body turned away just right.

The snaps, if they fit properly are for taking the holster off quickly. Not for snapping around belt to put back on unless you like fighting it.

Snap loops, then insert holster in pants in proper position. Don't skip belt loops or snap loops.

The Blade Tech combo with Tech Lok on the other side, is also quick on and off for SureFire and mag.

Another holster I like has a slotted pad and no snaps. It's almost as fast on and off.

sakeneko
July 20, 2009, 06:22 AM
My first reaction to this post was, "Huh?" I can't imagine leaving a weapon, especially a loaded weapon, unwatched in a locked car regardless of permit status -- guns are worse theft magnets than laptop computers! But I live in a state where carry is legal most places, even in banks or restaurants that serve alcohol, so I'm rarely in a situation where I can't legally carry.

If I am going somewhere where I can't carry, I either leave the gun with my husband at home or, if he won't be home, lock it up somewhere safe. When I travel to California for work, for example, open carry is either illegal or inadvisable most places where I go and so I don't take the gun with me. When we both are traveling in California, we lock all of our guns up, not at home, but in a storage facility that has secure storage for guns. While the guns are insured, neither of us is willing to risk having them stolen and used for crime.

Unless I am going somewhere where carry is illegal, though, I carry it with me. That's what it is for.

TailGator
July 20, 2009, 07:32 AM
I'm in the "wear it wherever it's legal" crowd, but I'm not the boss of OP's grandpa.

do you use a strap on holster or a slip on quick detachable holster

I use an IWB with snap-closing belt loops, but I don't take my holster off when I go into an airport or post office. I secure the gun in the car and leave the holster in place. I figure if I am dressed appropriately to conceal a gun, the empty holster should be concealed at least as well. And even if someone is sharp enough to make the holster, I am not aware that empty holsters are illegal anywhere. When I get back to my car, it is much easier to holster the pistol than to reposition the holster from scratch.

rantingredneck
July 20, 2009, 08:02 AM
I carry everywhere legal and I follow my work firearms policy.

What that means is if I go in my office, in a bank, restaurant that serves beer, movie theater, county or state gov't building, and a few other places, it stays behind in my truck in a locked floor safe.

I can't go onto the grounds of a school or post office, or some other gov't locations with one even in the car.......

When I do have to go to the PO, I use the one downtown near my office where there is on street parking nearby. When I have to go to my daughter's school, I either make my wife meet me at her mom's house (1 mile away) and we leave my truck there and take her car, or I park my truck at my church which is directly across the street from my daughter's school. When she moves to middle school in a couple years I'll need a new plan......

In addition to the gun I'm usually carrying (most often a pocket .380 or .38), I keep an 8+1 .45ACP with two spare mags locked in my truck in a safe.

Double Naught Spy
July 20, 2009, 08:39 AM
Lots of people who have permits either don't carry, usually don't carry, or carry extremely rarely. A lot of folks just like having the option to do so.

You are right. Many don't carry because they don't feel that there is much likelihood of attack. Others don't do it because it is inconvenient for them.

The bottom line is that not everyone with a permit is vigilant, nor do they want to be.

As for me, I carry whenever I can.

hoytinak
July 20, 2009, 08:43 AM
You also have the types (my sister is one) that doesn't have a CHL, doesn't plan on getting one but keeps a loaded, concealed handgun in her car within easy reach (which is legal here).

I've tried to talk her into getting her CHL, even offered to pay for everything but she just doesn't want to. At least she keeps one in her car though, I guess it's better than nothing.

stephen426
July 20, 2009, 09:30 AM
I bought a Kahr MK9 and it is small enough to pocket carry. I just place my wallet in front of it to break up the outline. I carry a lot more than I used to since it is so cncealable and reasonably comfortable. I guess that's why people say it's better to have a mouse gun on you than a cannon at home. I'm planning on getting PM9 or PM40 though since the MK gets pretty heavy.

CWPinSC
July 20, 2009, 10:59 AM
The mess is hitting the fan everywhere and NO place is truly "safe". If I leave my home, I'm armed. Period. End of story.

If I have it and don't need it, cool. But if I need it and don't have it, it'll be the last mistake I make.

Dresden2001
July 22, 2009, 03:37 PM
IMHO if you have a concealed handgun license you should carry your pistol on your person and not leave it in a vehicle. . . Aside from the obvious, better to have it and not need it, than need it and have it in the glove compartment or console.

I have had my car broken into once in 35 years, and that one time the crooks happened to find a J-Frame Smith under the front seat. I had left my car in front of my house, went to bed and woke up to find that half a dozen cars had been broken into along my street.

There's a reason that the bumper sticker "S(&(& Happens" is relevant. I would say that if you can carry legally, you should always carry.

Eskimo
July 22, 2009, 04:35 PM
Really depends on where you live/where youre going. If you don't sense danger, there's no sense in bringing it with you.

KLRANGL
July 22, 2009, 05:11 PM
If you don't sense danger, there's no sense in bringing it with you.
That reasoning doesn't make sense... If you sense danger, why would you go there in the first place? Having a CCW is for those times you either don't sense danger, or sense it too late.
Bad things happen anywhere.

Eskimo
July 22, 2009, 05:31 PM
That reasoning doesn't make sense... If you sense danger, why would you go there in the first place? Having a CCW is for those times you either don't sense danger, or sense it too late.
Bad things happen anywhere.

Correct, and bad things WILL happen to everyone, regardless of what weapon they carry or how hard they try to prepare. Having a pistol on your hip every time you go out because you think something bad may happen at some random point in your life is delusional. I even go as far as to say it's DANGEROUS.. when I think of people like that, I think of senile mom and pops firing shotgun rounds in their front yard because someone was walking on their grass.

"why?" - This world is getting worse, and there already are times where we have to place ourselves in situations we would rather not be in (bad neighborhood, secluded place at night, etc..). In those instances I think we should carry, but I see no reason to otherwise. I would say "life isn't much without taking risks", but not carrying a pistol isn't much of a risk at all.

Just doesn't justify the means.. Carrying a pistol on your hip to make you .000001% safer from the one BILLION things that could happen to you at any given time.

KLRANGL
July 22, 2009, 06:04 PM
mmm... im gona have to disagree with you there amigo.

Having a pistol on your hip every time you go out because you think something bad may happen at some random point in your life is delusional
Does anyone really go out expecting something to happen to them? Bad things can happen at random times, not just when you expect them to.

when I think of people like that, I think of senile mom and pops firing shotgun rounds in their front yard because someone was walking on their grass.
Well that's unfortunate you feel that way, but I must point out that that is a feeling and in no way a fact or correct representation of those who carry 100% of the time.

I even go as far as to say it's DANGEROUS
Dangerous to carry a CCW? That's a big statement, so I'll give you the opportunity to back it up first...

Just doesn't justify the means.. Carrying a pistol on your hip to make you .000001% safer from the one BILLION things that could happen to you at any given time.
Well that certainly is a personal opinion, which has its merits, but not one I specifically subscribe to. I beleive the apparent drawbacks (that you say there are) do not outweigh the benefits.

NightSight
July 22, 2009, 06:52 PM
+1 for KLRANGL

-1 for Eskimo

orionengnr
July 22, 2009, 07:16 PM
I carry whenever and wherever it is legal to do so.

There is only one reason my CCW is left in my vehicle: I am entering a building where I am not legally allowed to CCW. Post Office, Court building (which in my area is defined as library and other municipal buildings adjacent/attached to the courthouse :rolleyes:), establishments correctly posted, etc.

mrt949
July 22, 2009, 07:49 PM
If legal by law i carry.:D

Cosmic Zamboni
July 23, 2009, 10:21 AM
I prefer to leave my CW in the car in the cases where I can't take it with me (visit daughter's school, etc.) rather than leaving it at home entirely. I don't like leaving it in the car. I don't like leaving it at home. Given the choice of the two I leave it in the car.

BikerRN
July 23, 2009, 10:36 AM
In response to the OP.

I have two choices:

1) Carry Gun where legally able to do so

2) Leave Gun in vehicle

I pick option 1, as that way I know my gun isn't being stolen, to later be used in a crime. Carry your gun, or leave it at home in a safe. You do have a safe don't you? I have a lockbox bolted to the floor of my truck, but I very seldom use it.

Biker

CorpITGuy
July 23, 2009, 01:41 PM
I agree with KLRANGL. A friend told me recently she was going to carry "only when she felt like she might need it". My response was, "if you think you might need it, don't go there!!!"

Crimes are almost never committed when we expect them... that's the whole point.

I fail to understand eskimo's logic.. what makes us dangerous for assuming that something bad could happen at any point? It could.

I carry 100% of the time I am legally able.

TenmaNeko
July 23, 2009, 01:46 PM
I don't know why one would have a CHL and not carry the weapon.

You have health insurance all the time since you never know when you'll get sick.

You wear a seat belt all the time since you never know when you'll get in a car wreck.

You carry your concealed handgun all the time since you never know when you or a loved one will be attacked.

Makes sense to me.

MLeake
July 23, 2009, 02:30 PM
Is the main point of the thread about leaving the weapon in the car as a matter of preference, or leaving it in the car because one of your stops is in a "gun free zone?"

That really makes a big difference in the answer.

Double Naught Spy
July 23, 2009, 05:45 PM
Crimes are almost never committed when we expect them... that's the whole point.

Right, the criminals are bright enough to know that attacking expectant targets has a much lower probability for success than attacking unsuspecting targets.

Stevie-Ray
July 24, 2009, 06:56 PM
Having a pistol on your hip every time you go out because you think something bad may happen at some random point in your life is delusional. I even go as far as to say it's DANGEROUS.. :rolleyes: Well, I guess I'm delusional then, because that's exactly why I carry. In fact, if I was positive nothing bad would ever happen to me at some random part in my life, I would have never applied for a CPL. I would go as far as to say I don't think anybody would, as there wouldn't really be a reason for it now would there? As far as it being dangerous? Yeah, I deeply hope so, dangerous to any perpetrator of evil against my person, or against those that I love.

Frank Ettin
July 24, 2009, 10:48 PM
...Having a pistol on your hip every time you go out because you think something bad may happen at some random point in your life is delusional...Nonsense.

It is true that the odds of actually ever needing your weapon are vanishingly small. The vast majority of humans, especially in the United States, will go quietly to their deaths in bed without ever having to defend themselves in a violent encounter.

BUT there are still people who were carrying a gun when they faced an emergency and who were able to prevail in that emergency and survive because they had a gun on their person. Do you say to them that they were delusional to have been carrying a gun? That they should have left their guns at home and embraced their fate?

The rub is that there is no way you can know, as you leave the house in the morning, exactly what will happen. The odds are that your day will go along normally and safely. But every day things don't work out quite as well for one or more people. And you have no way, as you start your day, of knowing when or if you will be one of the unlucky very few.

...I would say "life isn't much without taking risks", but not carrying a pistol isn't much of a risk at all... And if you wish to assume that risk, do so by all means. That is your choice. Don't carry a gun. But do not presume to tell me what risks I will assume in my life. That is my business and my choice and not yours. You are entitled to your opinion, but I am entitled to conclude that your opinion is uniformed and not worthy of my attention.

...Carrying a pistol on your hip to make you .000001% safer from the one BILLION things that could happen to you at any given time....I suspect that you made those numbers up. If you did, they are meaningless. If you did not, cite your source.

But let's take a look at long odds. Just because the odds of losing are long doesn't make something a good bet.

I will offer you a bet. You must put up $1.00, and 999,999 times out of 1,000,000 tries, you will win. And if you win, you will receive a nice, bright shiny new dime. But if you lose, you must give me absolutely everything you have, including the clothes on your back.

So you have 999,999 chances out of 1,000,000 to walk away with a grand total of $1.10, i.e., a net profit of $0.10. But you have 1 chance in 1,000,000 of walking off naked and utterly destitute. How much do you really like that bet, even though your odds of winning are extraordinary?

...If you don't sense danger, there's no sense in bringing it with you. How do you sense danger? Are you clairvoyant? Do you always know exactly what's going to happen? Haven't you ever been surprised?

Spade Cooley
July 26, 2009, 10:00 PM
One of my neighbor ladies carried a gun in the car. She visited her daughter in the city and left the gun in the car. The car was broken into during the night and the gun was stolen.

I also carry a gun in the truck but if I'm in for the night at a motel, or staying with someone, the gun goes with me.

When it comes to CCW in places that are forbidden, If I think I could be in danger I'll carry it anyway. No one should know you have it and don't let anyone see it. What's the old saying, "I'd rather be tried by 12 than burried by 6.

thmsmgnm
July 31, 2009, 09:58 AM
If I am awake and not in a court house or some other NPE where there are metal detectors then I am armed.

I know of too many people who though that they didn't need to carry a gun that day, and never go a chance to have another day.

hogdogs
July 31, 2009, 10:38 AM
One reason I do not CC is because I never like to keep a gun in my ride unattended. Even if my vehicle locks, It is not secure enuff. Likely though my trucks don't have window motors in the doors so locking is for looks only so no sense thinking a gun would be safe.
Brent

Mello2u
July 31, 2009, 12:35 PM
The purpose of having a conceal weapon's license is to HAVE the weapon in the event that you need it for defense.

If you leave it in your vehicle you do not have it to use in that event. Additionally, some places like parking areas outside courthouses and other places where firearms are prohibited to citizens are attractive to thieves who will do smash and grabs to see what they can glean from this potentially rich target area for guns in vehicles.

Even though I have a lock box in my vehicle for those times when I am by law prohibited from carrying my weapon into a building and must leave it for a time in my parked vehicle, I still do not feel good about the possibility of it being stolen from by vehicle. All this lock box can do is slow down the theft.
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armsmaster270
July 31, 2009, 01:33 PM
Fortunatly here there are few places I can't go armed we don't have a private property posting problem, you can CCW in bars as long as you aren't under the influence, movies are OK, County Admin building is OK, City Hall except the Council Chambers is OK. Only Federal property and Some State buildings are off limits. The Coast Guard Station Commander allows me to CCW on it. If I have to leave a gun in a vehicle I won't go there too many guns are stolen from vehicles. If I go into the Courthouse I advise the Deputy's at the metal detector I am Carrying PRIOR TO THE THE SCREENING AREA and request to use one of their lock boxes and retain the key.
On the Holster question mine threads on to my belt.

Don P
July 31, 2009, 03:19 PM
Why leave the house with it if the plan is to leave it in the car:confused: Car gets stolen:eek: gun gets stolen along with it:( Please wait a minute Mr. Bad Man while I go back to my car that was stolen so I can get my stolen gun. This has to be at the top of the STUPIDITY list. Might as well leave the house with the gun unloaded this way it is as much use as leaving it in the stolen car:rolleyes:

MLeake
July 31, 2009, 04:23 PM
... to go from the places where one can't carry (courthouse, airport, etc) to or through other places where one can carry, and where one feels one should carry.

While I'd prefer not to risk having a gun get stolen in my truck (although this would require use of cutting tools, as the lockbox is hardmounted to the truck; otherwise it would require the theft of the truck itself), I'd prefer even more than that to not disarm myself if traveling in questionable areas, especially after hours.

So, I'll accept the mitigated risk of locking a gun inside a compartment, inside a locked car.

BTW, the local PD policy for its officers is that they shall be armed when off-duty, unless drinking, in which case they are to lock their guns in locking compartments in their vehicles when they go to a bar.

Either the PD is very irresponsible, or else a lot of members of the forum are particularly conservative.

Southern Rebel
July 31, 2009, 04:34 PM
I'm just not smart enough to know when I might need it, so I carry unless I am going in the post office or in one of the schools. In those cases, I reluctantly leave it in my truck. (I can afford to buy another gun, but I am stuck with this body, so I try not to let it get damaged!)