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lizziedog1
May 31, 2009, 12:40 AM
I am thinking about getting a hunting dog. I am leaning towards a Brittany. This will be first hunting dog. I have many questions, but one seems to get strong responses one way or another. That is the question of gender.

For those of you with hunting dog experience, which gender do prefer? Why?

hogdogs
May 31, 2009, 12:56 AM
I deal with this on the hog dog level... I am really getting tired of my options... Stud dogs are tuffer mentally for me personally to train on. Gyps are in cycle twice per year so 3 weeks each cycle are "HOT" heat so 5 weeks easy are off limits if males are on the ground as they won't do nuttin but hunt my gals... That is 2.5 months per year down time... I am about to let someone else train my stud dogs so I can skip the gyps... not to mention I have to worry about stray coyotes humpin' a chained gyp. I want to buy the old county jail to be my kennel yard but the cash flow is too low!
Brent

Dragon55
May 31, 2009, 06:50 AM
Hogdogs is correct with his concerns.... aggravations dealing with females but....

I grew up with lots of coonhounds and different bird dogs(pointers and setters) and I would always lean toward females.
It's been my experience that generally they are more easily trained and get less distracted than males.
Even with that 2 month loss every year they are worth the trouble.

cornbush
May 31, 2009, 11:43 AM
If you are working the dog alone it is not as big of an issue when they are in heat. Females seem to take to training alot easier, but the big males seem to have more stamina. What kind of hunting are you gearing up for? Brittany's are great your already on the right track.

Vanya
June 3, 2009, 04:15 PM
If you are working the dog alone it is not as big of an issue when they are in heat.

This is probably a dumb question, but unless you're planning on breeding dogs (and know something about it) as well as hunting them, why wouldn't you spay/neuter?? Too many badly bred and/or unwanted dogs out there as it is...

hogdogs
June 3, 2009, 04:32 PM
Vanya, the problem with "badly bred" is show bred dogs and puppy mill pets as well as the uncontrolled "handy and ready" (he was handy and she was ready) random breedings leading to over population of useless dogs.

In the working dog world any dog that does the dog very well is a prospect to consider for future working dogs to replace the ones that die of accident or old age.
I have 2 females I would love to get pups from but never get them to the right stud when they are season. They are 4 1/2 now.
Now I can point you to a ton of dogs that could never do the dog their breed was created for that need fixed as they are just replicating failures...
Brent

Scorch
June 3, 2009, 05:20 PM
I am thinking about getting a hunting dog. I am leaning towards a Brittany.http://i384.photobucket.com/albums/oo282/millardh/Dogs.jpg
You mean like these? Sorry the dogs are sleeping and not pointing or retrieving, it's the only picture I have on this computer. I have owned an English Setter, a Weimaraner, and now 2 Brittanys. Brittanys will spoil you, they are natural hunters, and they point and retrieve. These two are pheasant hunting machines. The older of the two can carry live birds in her mouth without harming them (at least until they spur her).For those of you with hunting dog experience, which gender do prefer? Why?I prefer females, they do not range as far, and they are easier to hunt over. Males have lots of energy, but I can hardly keepup with these in the chukar hills as it is. And females are more caring and affectionate.

dipper
June 3, 2009, 06:44 PM
This is probably a dumb question, but unless you're planning on breeding dogs (and know something about it) as well as hunting them, why wouldn't you spay/neuter?? Too many badly bred and/or unwanted dogs out there as it is...

Except for a few very limited medical reasons, there is no reason to spay or neuter your dog or bitch.
IMHO, that is a poor way to make up for irresponsible dog ownership.
If a person can not secure and manage their dog, they shouldn't own one in the first place.
I don't like to see a dog running loose even IF it is spayed or neutered and THAT is how you have unwanted breedings.


To the OP, what Scorch said and I would add that females "GENERALLY" are easier to train and more submissive although I have seen some tough girls too.
They tend to have an easier going personality.

Vanya
June 3, 2009, 07:31 PM
IMHO, that is a poor way to make up for irresponsible dog ownership.
If a person can not secure and manage their dog, they shouldn't own one in the first place.
In an ideal world, sure. But I know too many responsible people who've had to deal with unwanted litters produced when someone else's dog jumped a fence, or...
I don't like to see a dog running loose even IF it is spayed or neutered and THAT is how you have unwanted breedings.
Agreed; see my point above. It's sorta like drinking and driving -- just because you don't do it is no guarantee you won't be hit by someone who does.

To the OP, what Scorch said and I would add that females "GENERALLY" are easier to train and more submissive although I have seen some tough girls too.
They tend to have an easier going personality.
Indeed -- I've nearly always had females, and I've found them far more biddable than males... but the boys are a lot more tractable without their 'nads. (Just talkin' dogs here, wouldn't want to generalize...:D)

ENC
June 3, 2009, 07:44 PM
It is a hard question to answer. I have had better luck with females, but the good males I have had were better individually than any of the females. I think the best thing to do is find a litter where you are pretty sure you want one of the pups, then look at each of the pups and pick the best one for you then roll it over so to speak.

Evan

hogdogs
June 3, 2009, 08:05 PM
Not all of us have the funding to own premium roofed (dogs will climb out if they so desire) kennels. I have my dogs on yard chains so a free roaming male can "tag" my gyps in heat...

A little girl asked her Mom, "Mom, may I take the dog for a walk around the block?"
Mom replies, "No, because she is in heat."
"What's that mean?" asked the child.
"Go ask your father", answered the mother, "I think he's in the garage."
The little girl goes to the garage and says, "Dad, may I take Belle for a walk around the block? I asked Mom, but she said the dog was in heat, and to come to you."
Dad said, "Bring Belle over here." He took a rag, soaked it with gasoline, and scrubbed the dog's backside with it and said, "Okay, you can go now, but keep Belle on the leash and only go one time around the block."
The little girl left, and returned a few minutes later with no dog on the leash. Surprised, Dad asked, "Where's Belle?"
The little girl said, "She ran out of gas about halfway down the block, so another dog is pushing her home."

Brent

Xwrench3
June 3, 2009, 08:07 PM
personally, i prefer female dogs as opposed to males. females, stick to the business at hand better than a male, unless she is in season (and if you don't want pups, there is a way around that). males, are just like us, always looking for a little strange stuff. if they smell anything that may even remotely be "aluring", they either get quite distracted, or are gone. the difference between us and them, is basicly money. dogs do not get divorces and loose half of their stuff! lol. brittneys are GREAT dogs. we called ours Frosty, she was the absoloute best dog i have ever had the pleasure of knowing. i can not say enough good about her. i will miss her always. she was a natural in the feild, loved hunting, and was a great house dog, and traveling companion as well. just perfect. the only thing bad about long haired dogs is all the crud that finds its way into its hair. if your dog is half as good as her, you will be one lucky dog owner.

Tuzo
June 3, 2009, 09:56 PM
The initial post mentions gender while meaning sex. The primary definition of gender is feminine and masculine, describing nouns. Sex defines male and female.

I have never heard of dogs referred to as either masculine or feminine.

dipper
June 3, 2009, 11:01 PM
Well, actually, to be precise, a male canine is a "dog" and a female canine is a "bitch"....but we commonly call our domestic canines "dogs" whether we are referring to a male or female.

Websters new world dictionary defines gender as a persons sex, I guess we carry it over to the world of "dogs" too....close enough for government work on this board IMHO.

Shane Tuttle
June 3, 2009, 11:33 PM
I would have to ask which specific type of hunting are you wanting to use the dog and how serious of hunting are you intending?

I had a friend that had a Standard Schnauzer, female, that was one of the best quail hunters I've ever seen. But if you don't like a barker, then you don't want this breed.

If you're fox hunting, then sight hounds with good sense of smell like beagles or coonhounds are a good bet.

My personal favorite: For duck hunting, I'm extremely biased in favor of an English Lab....NOT a field Lab. There's a big difference in general, IMHO.

Pheasant? I like German Shorthairs and Brittany Spaniels.

I think the number one concern should be what temperament you want in a dog. Then pick what type of hunting you do most. THEN, pick the breed. Remember, temperament is what you have to deal with not only when hunting, but when they're interacting with family on their downtime...

Sorry, I know you only asked about the gender, not a long dissertation on what breed is good for what. I lean towards females. But all my animals get fixed. Both genders have their pros and cons I guess. I think it's all a matter of just getting used to the quirks.

Buzzcook
June 4, 2009, 12:46 PM
There are more reasons than birth control to spay or neuter a dog. As a general rule they are easier to train and less likely to stray. A spayed or neutered dog will also tend to be bigger and stronger than otherwise.

dipper
June 4, 2009, 01:34 PM
As a general rule they are easier to train and less likely to stray. A spayed or neutered dog will also tend to be bigger and stronger than otherwise.

It is not always true that a spayed or neutered dog is easier to train.
It depends on the dog or bitch in question.
I have seen dogs that were neutered become
COMPLETELY unmanageable and have to be put down after being neutered.

NO, they don't get stronger, they may get bigger as in FATTER, they loose some of their drive and tend to be less active---it will not make a dog stronger.

I have never neutered any of my males and they all lived good long lives---my last male Rottie lived to be over 14 years old and he was intact.
The rest all lived over 10 years old.
The two bitches I have owned were long lived too.
This spaying and neutering junk is for those that do not control their animals and let them run.

jrothWA
June 4, 2009, 09:16 PM
One clarification there, Scorch, your Brits aren't sleeping:
THEY ARE ON "ANTI-LEVITATION" Duty!

How old is the right side one? seems about 9yrs?

Have had both Springer(F, spayed) and Brit (M & F,spayed) all three were hunting fools.

Springer I trained myself @ 6 months had her sitting on the trap line (with shooters' permission) and she wanted to fetch the clays. 9th month took her to a Ohio Public area for exercise (State did "Put & Take" birds), had one flush before she was close, I winged it, dropped to ground and RAN, Ginger in hot pursuit and closing.
Watch both rear ends crest the hill-top as I'm trying to catch-up, got to half-way up hill and Ginger cresting hill will Bird in mouth and Head HELD HIGH!
She knew what to do there after.

ONLY one word of warning on both Springers & Brits, you ever miss, the "LOOK" is unforgettable! They are MASTERS!

Shane Tuttle
June 4, 2009, 11:15 PM
This spaying and neutering junk is for those that do not control their animals and let them run.

Unless it was an agreement with the breeder to spay the dog...
Or to help keep owners of male dogs from going crazy when my bitch is in heat...
Or for medical reasons (whether one agrees with them or not)...

Spaying and neutering isn't a black & white issue.

Now, let's get back to choices for a hunting dog....

shooter007
June 5, 2009, 03:46 AM
Black Lab, female. Two of my friends have them and have personally trained them. These dogs are loving, have great personality, and are great for house/hunting dogs. They don't run crazy like males and are the best hunting dogs I have ever seen.

shooter007
June 5, 2009, 03:47 AM
Oh i forgot though, they have a championship blood line. haha

bwheasler
June 5, 2009, 04:26 PM
Are these ill mannered, moody, tempermental, needy females 2 legged or 4?

L_Killkenny
June 5, 2009, 08:10 PM
I say female. I just like em better and they seem to bond better with their Master.

For the nuetrer/spay issue. Unless you are a hardcore hunter and breeder just get it done. I've haven't had a spayed or nuetered dog in years but I'm really rethinking that. Spayed females tend to live longer and avoid certain cancers. Male dogs don't spend half their time sniffing every bush that has been tinkled on. No worries about "accidents". Etc. Leave breeding to breeders. I can buy pups from great parents for reasonable amounts of money if I want another puppy. Most if us aren't qualified to do it anyway.
And spay/nueter has nothing to do how well a person decides to train and control their dog dip chit. :rolleyes:

dipper
June 5, 2009, 09:23 PM
And spay/nueter has nothing to do how well a person decides to train and control their dog dip chit.

Well, yes it does....That is just why so many "societies" and "associations" preach it so much... It is a simple fact that to many people do not control and properly monitor their canines, that's why there are so many unwanted breedings and why pet population is such a hot issue.
Been to any shelters lately?? I help out at a couple and we get pregnant bitches and litters of puppies in all the time. In the area I live in, the shelters are full.

I have trained, trailed, and bred (not much) Rottweilers for 40 years and have owned several bitches and 6 dogs and never had an unwanted litter....ever...how do you think that happened?? By accident??

Maybe your the type that lets his pets run free, I don't know....but if you think that spaying and neutering is not just preventive birth control for lazy irresponsible owners, I would say you are the DIP CHIT!!:)

Wake up!!

Scorch
June 6, 2009, 12:35 AM
THEY ARE ON "ANTI-LEVITATION" Duty!
Good one.
How old is the right side one? seems about 9yrs?Pretty close. She just turned 11.
ONLY one word of warning on both Springers & Brits, you ever miss, the "LOOK" is unforgettable!I've seen that look a time or two . . .
In the movies, you know, not personally, I would never, how would I know what they . . . Oh all right, I missed once. OK, more than once.

shortwave
June 6, 2009, 08:31 AM
Since this is your first hunting(working dog), my suggestion would be a bitch pup from a known reputeable hunting dog(NOT SHOW QUALITY) breeder and get her spayed. One of the things we`ve done here (THE BEST) in the U.S. is manage to screw up many dog breeds. So many breed examples to list: shepards to pomeranians. That said, learn all you can about the breed your wanting from experienced breeders of hunting dogs, find an old hunting bloodline, have enough ground to train on and make sure you can dedicate the(long term) time and patience needed. Takes alot of time but is very rewarding. IMO, Males,especially when they get older tend to get a little headstrong and may require a bit more experience in handling affield.

lizziedog1
June 6, 2009, 10:23 AM
Thanks for all the feedback.

This dog will be primarily used for small game/upland bird hunting.

hogdogs
June 6, 2009, 11:11 AM
One more thing... to do a working lines dog the best service, I suggest getting with someone who has trained and young dogs already and give them a hand in exchange for learning the nuances of the breed in mind as well as the little things that can make or break a good dog. For instance, my working line bulldogs need handled with a heavy hand when young or they think they have no behavior boundaries which leads to bulldog needing put down when a heavy handed method leads to a superior dog... By heavy handed I do not mean beat (sometimes they do beg for a club to the head) but a very strict set of rules... Ceaser Milan "dog whisperer" is a prime example to follow!
Some dog breeds would pee down their leg at the mere sight of you if you handled them like a bulldog when young...
Hope this helps and BEST OF LUCK to you in your quest for a good huntin' dog!

Brent

L_Killkenny
June 7, 2009, 04:48 PM
Maybe your the type that lets his pets run free, I don't know....but if you think that spaying and neutering is not just preventive birth control for lazy irresponsible owners, I would say you are the DIP CHIT!!

You're dang right I let my dogs run free. They call em farm dogs in my part of the world. Kennels are for hunting dogs or for those people that can't train their dogs to stay at home. 99% of the places have dogs that are not kenneled. You need to get out more.

With either a male or female there are LARGE behavioral/health benefits to getting them fixed and ZERO negatives to having it done. Has nothing to do with accidents all though it does add piece of mind for against the occasional roamer that might show up if you don't have a female fixed.

James R. Burke
June 18, 2009, 04:03 PM
I would go with the female. I have had a German shorthair for birds. Great dog never stopped hunting, and miss him alot. The shorthair is not for everyone they are very, hyper. I think your choice is good. I would have the dog fixed unless as stated before you are a hardcore breeder. It does more good than harm.

guntotin_fool
June 18, 2009, 06:32 PM
for a first time dog, talk to a breeder who handles the lines you want, and who is into working them, NOT just a show dog breeder, most of them are nuts in the head (both inbred dogs and show dog owners).

If its your first, the thought that "oh boy, if he's good I want to breed him" may pop up, but its highly unlikely, so let that thought pass.

three things to think about

First SIZE< how much land, excercise etc are you going to be able to give to that dog. and how much room in the house do you have.

Hair, ask your wife is she's willing to put with vacuuming or mopping every single day. because she's going to have to. in my mind, paying 50 bucks twice a year for a propper shave and hair cut is well worth not running the hoover every day.

Kids, kids will be great, but they need to be brought into the training thing, understanding that blowing off training is just not going to happen. It works