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tshadow6
May 17, 2009, 04:21 PM
Does the Steyer M95 shoot regular 8mm ammo? I'm thinking of buying one, but the ads read caliber 8x56r. Is that the same caliber as the K98?

ar15chase
May 17, 2009, 04:24 PM
It shoots the 8x56r. I was looking into getting one of those rifles a while back, until I saw the price of the ammo. It is also near impossible for me to find it in my area. Even the gun store that sold the rifle didnt carry the ammo. So I just got another M-44.

tshadow6
May 17, 2009, 04:38 PM
Thanks for the quick answer. Too bad about the cost of the ammo. The carbine looks to be the perfect size.

ar15chase
May 17, 2009, 04:49 PM
Yea they are cool guns, I really like the straight pull bolt. The ammo was the only turn off. I looked at one at Big-5 it was on sale, I believe it was on for $89.00

smoakingun
May 17, 2009, 07:44 PM
I have one, good shooter, if you search the net, ammo is available.

FALPhil
May 17, 2009, 08:32 PM
If you handload, you can get the components from Graf's. The bullets are 0.329 inches; the 8mm Mauser (8x57) nominal diameter is 0.323 inches. There is also a Lee mold for 0.330 bullets or you can get the Lee bullet sizer die which allows you to size 0.338 bullets to 0.329.

timgd
May 20, 2009, 08:41 PM
I bought my first one about 1963 it was my first center fire rifle,it cost me 5$ at big five.It was a real beater. I bought another one a couple of years ago when sportsmans guide was carrying surplus 8x56r at a decent price.Love the rifle but its very hard on the old shoulder.

jondar
May 21, 2009, 07:45 PM
Do these things kick like I think they do. I considered buying one at the gun show. Nice clean carbines, but the seller had no ammo so I went on down the line and bought a Mosin Nagant M38. The seller gave me a box of 200 gr Albanian ammo. I got home loaded it up, the first round jarred a crown off one of my lower molars. I'm told the M95 is lighter than the M38. How do they shoot?

timgd
May 21, 2009, 08:17 PM
Make sure your dental coverage is up to date.The last time I shot it was in the summer, maybe 40 rounds and a bruise the size of a grapefruit. Its not smart to shoot it with only a tee shirt for padding.

huchahuchax
May 21, 2009, 11:58 PM
I ordered one through J&G, and to be honest, I don't know when I will ever shoot the damned thing. It should be here by Tuesday.


I don't know what else to say - I just bought one for the sake of buying one.
Hurray for me.

R1145
May 22, 2009, 01:13 AM
Herr Mannlicher was a genius, the Austrian John Browning. The M95 carbines are punishing to shoot, though.

They were originally chambered for a unique 8x50mm round, the rifles being the standard firearm of the Austro-Hungarian Empire in WWI. After the war, many were cut down to carbines and rechambered to 8x56R, which is what one usually sees today.

They were used extensively in WWII, mostly by Axis police and rear echelon troops. Much of the surplus ammo has a swastika headstamp.

I'd love to rechamber one to 7mm.

Overall, a neat piece of history. Very cool mechanically, ahead of its time. Not a very effective weapon, though.

jsmaye
May 22, 2009, 07:28 AM
Not a very effective weapon, though.

How so?

raftman
June 4, 2009, 02:43 AM
I almost bought one too, also at Big-5, and also because it was on sale for $89. I almost went for it right on the spot The size and weight felt just right, and the straight pull bolt is a great feature too. But then I went home and did some homework on it, and like for most, the ammo situation was the deal breaker. Got an M44 instead, for $10 cheaper and ammo is everywhere.

CaptainCrossman
June 4, 2009, 06:29 AM
Steyer M95
Does the Steyer M95 shoot regular 8mm ammo? I'm thinking of buying one, but the ads read caliber 8x56r. Is that the same caliber as the K98?



The original M95 fired 8x50R

the guns were then refitted at the armory in Europe between wars, to fire the more powerful 8x56R

I have an 8x56R rifle, not a carbine. It's in the shop now getting chamber cleanup/reamed. All original with original stock, not numbers matching. The rifles are hard to find, the carbines are a dime a dozen.

If you're interested, shoot me a PM or email, perhaps we can work a deal. I just bought 7 more guns a few days ago, from a guy that was getting out of it and housecleaning, so I need to make some space here, and may want to sell the M95.

Nothing looks better on the wall than an M95 long rifle. But I wanted mine to also shoot, and shells were getting stuck in the chamber after firing, so I'm having the chamber redone. I also have a spare bolt head and some small parts I'd throw in for free.

here's a few pics, let me know

CaptainCrossman
June 4, 2009, 06:30 AM
http://www.thefiringline.com/forums/attachment.php?attachmentid=47901&d=1244114918

CaptainCrossman
June 4, 2009, 06:34 AM
I almost bought one too, also at Big-5, and also because it was on sale for $89. I almost went for it right on the spot The size and weight felt just right, and the straight pull bolt is a great feature too. But then I went home and did some homework on it, and like for most, the ammo situation was the deal breaker. Got an M44 instead, for $10 cheaper and ammo is everywhere.



Yes, the carbine points and handles much like an SMLE jungle carbine, same small handy package. But I'd wager the 8x56R is more powerful than a 303 Brit- it throws a heavier projectile. and is 32 caliber. It sure kicks more.

8x56R ammo is available from Hornady already loaded in new Graf cases and is very high quality, I bought 2 boxes. At least it was available when I bought mine. Got dies from Midway. Ammo really isn't a big problem, buy a few boxes initially and then reload those cases many times. It's actually a quite powerful cartridge.

anyone interested, I'd throw in the ammo/dies too

raftman
June 4, 2009, 06:30 PM
I enjoy bolt action carbines, but don't want to put the time and effort into hand loading ammo, largely because I'd need the equipment and all, and I'd need to learn how... of course, I don't like the alternative, paying a lot and waiting a long time. Made the M44 kind of an obvious choice.

SIGSHR
June 5, 2009, 02:08 PM
You buy an M95 for the history. I have 3 in the original 8x50, that makes them correct for WWI, have yet to fire any of them, don't feel deprived.
The M95 was a sucessful design, it went through a rigororous testing process, for all that the Austro-Hungarian forces are derided as poor cousins to the Germans they fought hard for 4 years 1914-1918.

Dr. Mauser
June 5, 2009, 02:48 PM
I had the M-95, and loved the fact that it was a straight pull back bolt, but I couldnt find ammo anywhere. Then wouldnt you know it 2 weeks after I sold it I went to a gun show and a guy there was selling Nazi marked boxes of 20 rounds for 6 box a pop...:mad: shouldnt have sold it

jondar
June 5, 2009, 03:10 PM
Several years ago there was a gun shop down the street from my employment and they had two WW1 French carbines for sale. The price was right and I intended to buy one but waited too long and they were gone. They were tiny little carbines, light as a feather, I thought, "what a great pickup truck gun." Looking back now, those carbines were chambered in 8mm Lebel and I bet they kicked like a howitzer. Can't remember their name.

Dr. Mauser
June 5, 2009, 03:20 PM
haha any ideas of what that might be, I'm a carbine fiend haha


NVM

Its called an 8mm Berthier Carbine..heres a link if anyone wants one

http://gunbroker.com/Auction/ViewItem.asp?Item=130566183



or go to Gunbroker.com and search 'French Carbine' :p

Tom2
June 5, 2009, 04:30 PM
If they were easily convertable to something like 30-30 they would be hot sellers as they probably weight about the same as a Winchester and that is not too punishing to shoot. But it is a more powerful round and the light gun combo is just a pain I am sure, probably like the short barrel Mosins are just too much cartridge in a short light gun. I have seen military carbine bolt actions in like 30-06 cal, I was highly tempted to get one and then thought about the recoil and blast. At least with it though, it would be easy to get components to download substantially to make it tolerable. Finding stuff to load the surp gun is gonna be one of those things you do if you are a gun loonie, as it will not pay for itself probably. Just for the experience of shooting a straight pull. If you want straight pull, go for a Swiss rifle, better made and ammo is available.

jondar
June 5, 2009, 07:51 PM
Totemkopf - Yes that was it, Berthier. Thank Goodness I didn't buy that causer of pain! Jon

Dr. Mauser
June 5, 2009, 10:54 PM
that thing woldve kicked like a B***h I had a Mosin M91/59 (One of my fav Rifles) and that sucker was bad, but an 8mm carbine woooowwweee..i dont even want to imagine that...Any other Carbine ideas? I wouldnt mind getting my hands on WWII era M1 Carbine..any ideas where to get one under $500

R1145
June 5, 2009, 11:31 PM
Quote:
Not a very effective weapon, though.

How so?

It's really punishing to fire. The sights aren't very good. The straight-pull action is kind of jerky. It needs the clips to fire as a repeater.

It would be good for an artilleryman to use for blazing away at a squadron of cavalry charging for the guns, I guess...

Give me a SMLE any day...

raftman
June 5, 2009, 11:31 PM
Oh come on folks, the kick on the short-barreled Mosins isn't THAT bad, I don't think I can even tell the difference between my M44 and my buddy's 91/30. Isn't the M44 slightly heavier than the long version?

jondar
June 6, 2009, 08:04 AM
Quote: "Oh come on folks, the recoil on........isn't that bad."

In my case I think it was those 200 grain Albanian loads in the M38. I ordered 100 rounds of Wolf ammo from Cheaper than Dirt with lighter bullets but just never had the desire to retry that MN. More content to shoot my MK III* with some reduced loads. I'm not sure about the M44, that bayonet and lug would add some weight to it.

Dr. Mauser
June 6, 2009, 10:41 AM
I dont thinks it neccesarily heavier, i think it seems that way because the weight is distriputed differently and its all at the front. All said and done though, its and ugly rifle...haha give me my K98 anyday, screw the Steyer, I want real German Magic

Tamara
June 6, 2009, 01:28 PM
...haha give me my K98 anyday, screw the Steyer, I want real German Magic

Ferdinand von Mannlicher understood that "German Magic" pretty well. So well in fact that the Jerries lost their butts in court for copying his packet-loading system, which gave Mannlicher's works the right to produce G.88's for export.

jsmaye
June 8, 2009, 08:04 AM
It's really punishing to fire.

True, but before your shoulder turns to mush it's quite capable, as any carbine that is.

The sights aren't very good.

I don't have a problem with the sights, and it's the only major battle rifle I know of that has provisions for sighting below 300 meters.

The straight-pull action is kind of jerky.

Once they wear they do get a little jinky. New or rebuilt ones are almost as smooth as the K-31

It needs the clips to fire as a repeater.

A true disadvantage, but as a carbine they're kind of a last-resort last-stand ("Oh my God, they've overrun the typing pool!") weapon.

Having said all that, it is by far the least-used weapon in my paltry arsenal (K-31, M38, 91/30x2, M24/27, M95, H001, 10/22).

Give me a SMLE any day...

A SMLE or K-31...;)

Dr. Mauser
June 8, 2009, 03:05 PM
I'fve heard alot about the K-31, is it worth the buy to add to my collection?

jsmaye
June 9, 2009, 07:49 AM
I've heard a lot about the K-31, is it worth the buy to add to my collection?

The ergonomics of the K-31 take a little getting used to, but it will out-shoot anything in most people's arsenal. Even the surplus GP11 ammo is match grade.

Dr. Mauser
June 9, 2009, 05:25 PM
Where can I get one for a decent price?

smoakingun
June 9, 2009, 09:21 PM
It's really punishing to fire.

Allright, some of you guys just need to man up.:D This truely is the age of the wimp. There are way too many sissies around here. I was at the range in Jacksonville a few months ago and watched a NINE YEAR OLD BOY put round after round down range through a m44 without even a flinch, and then I come on here and wah wah wah, "recoil is bad", "the rifle is punishing", geez. Grow some nards guys. Ok, I feel better now.:D

raftman
June 9, 2009, 10:11 PM
Yeah, all that kind of talk will scare people away from getting some of these great rifles! I know I was apprehensive about getting my M44 because of all the horror stories of painful recoil, I think there was even one about a guy who was in too much pain after firing the very first round, that he completely gave up on shooting it after that.

Tamara
June 9, 2009, 10:14 PM
Tell me about it...

They sell flyweight 7mm Rem Mag mountain rifles every day, yet people brag about the "Manly Kick" of a 9-lb. rifle firing rounds with low-end .30-'06 recoil. :rolleyes::p

A 12-gauge shotgun shooting low-brass field loads recoils harder than nearly any military rifle ever made.

Dr. Mauser
June 9, 2009, 10:18 PM
Im with Tamara and smoakingun... I have 2 Mosin 91/59s and my K98s, my brother (who is 9) can let off round after round off and not as much as wink, they love firing those things, anyone saying the M44 has a "Manly Kick" needs to get some hair on their *******.

Tamara
June 9, 2009, 10:21 PM
Do you kiss your mom with that mouth? :rolleyes:

Dr. Mauser
June 9, 2009, 10:35 PM
i edited my post, i apologize, its just frustrating to hear these people complain about a bad kick from a rifle...boo hoo, you dont like it, sell it, dont belly ache about a Carbine kicking

jondar
June 11, 2009, 08:11 AM
Dr. Mauser - Go back and read your post #24. Which is it?

jsmaye
June 11, 2009, 10:34 AM
Nobody here has said that these battle rifles are unshootable due to their recoil, just they have a hefty kick. I know someone personally who has shot an AR-15/M16 for 20 years who shot my M24/47 two weeks ago. It really startled him, and he's a medium-large guy. I then handed him my M91/38. He loved it, but was definitely rubbing his shoulder after five rounds. I then told him next time we'll try my M95. ;)

Those of who are telling us to 'man-up' or 'grow a pair' may not realize that everyone handles recoil differently due to experience, body size, weight, etc. I happen to like the kick of these rifles, but that doesn't mean I can tolerate 100 rounds of it in one afternoon.

smoakingun
June 11, 2009, 04:19 PM
Those of who are telling us to 'man-up' or 'grow a pair' may not realize that everyone handles recoil differently due to experience, body size, weight, etc. I happen to like the kick of these rifles, but that doesn't mean I can tolerate 100 rounds of it in one afternoon.



That post was meant to be taken with a grain of salt.:D If the truth be told though, anyone can learn to handle the kind of recoil these old rifles dish out, if my wife learned to anyone can, all one has to do is put in the trigger time.