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guitarguy
May 9, 2009, 10:04 PM
So I sent out my C&R application on the 18th of April. I have been anxiously awaiting the license in the mail, and to my extreme dismay I check the mail a few days ago and found my unopened envelope containing my m.o. for $30 and my application....

The adress of the BATF was scribled out with a marker and it had a red stamp on it from the post office. The stamp had a bunch of check boxes for different reasons and it was checked REFUSED.

Any ideas?
I tried to call the BATF and got them after hours. I am really bumbed out though. I thought I had maybe a few weeks left till my license came in and I could start buying!

Any ideas on why it would be marked REFUSED...? Not wrong adress, missing info, etc, etc, etc.

Thanks in advance

RamSlammer
May 9, 2009, 10:27 PM
It would seem your envelope rather than your license application was refused. Probably was misaddressed and received in the wrong section of BATFE. The licensing center moved from Atlanta to West Virginia late last year. The correct address is:
FEDERAL FIREARMS LICENSING CENTER
244 Needy Road
Martinsburg, WV 25405

jhammer
May 9, 2009, 11:18 PM
Awww shoot. Mine will probably be sent back then because I didn't use that address. Mine had a sheet of paper that said something about a new P.O. Box to send it to in Atlanta. :(

snipecatcher
May 10, 2009, 12:12 AM
No worries, I used outdated info and sent mine to Dallas first. It's crazy that they move around as much as they do.
-Dan

huchahuchax
May 10, 2009, 12:24 AM
Awww shoot. Mine will probably be sent back then because I didn't use that address. Mine had a sheet of paper that said something about a new P.O. Box to send it to in Atlanta

I sent my application to Atlanta and got my license in Feb. It took about a month or so, and they had to send me two because they screwed up my address on the first one.

BobbyT
May 10, 2009, 02:37 AM
Ruh-roh. I used the old form AND sent it to Dallas. It's been about a month now so I'm REALLY hoping it'll show up soon as opposed to starting over and waiting half the summer.

snipecatcher, did yours get bounced back when you sent it to Dallas? Or did they process it?

TEDDY
May 10, 2009, 10:03 AM
interesting that martinsburg address.Thats where OWS is located.
:rolleyes::eek:

guitarguy
May 10, 2009, 10:41 AM
Yep. I guess I used the info off cruffler.com (which may be old enough to qualify as a C&R itself!:))

So... The Martinsberg WV adress is definitely the current one?
I already re-enveloped it using the Atlanta adress and had it ready to go before RamSlammers post.

The BATF website is not the easiest thing to navigate - can anyone verify the correct adress to send in the application?

Thanks

ckerst
May 10, 2009, 10:43 AM
I just got my license. I mailed the app to Atlanta and part of it was returned because I didn't initial the check boxes. I made the correction and sent it back to the Martinsburg address, the license arrived 2 weeks later. All in all it took about 6 weeks.

RavenLunatic
May 10, 2009, 05:17 PM
Sent mine in at the first of April to the Atlanta PO box. Received my license yesterday (May 9) Let the shopping begin!:D

snipecatcher
May 10, 2009, 07:24 PM
Ruh-roh. I used the old form AND sent it to Dallas. It's been about a month now so I'm REALLY hoping it'll show up soon as opposed to starting over and waiting half the summer.

snipecatcher, did yours get bounced back when you sent it to Dallas? Or did they process it?

The USPS just sent it back with a big "return to sender" label on it. No big deal. When I got it back I just called the BATFE number and requested they send me the correct form. The info on the Cruffler website was helpful, but someone should really just do away with the address info on there.
-Dan

tbinder
May 10, 2009, 08:41 PM
I just sent in to re-new my C&R and the certification for being a US Citizen was incorrect. You are to SELF CERTIFY - how stupid is that.... I had my friend sign and the form was return saying that I needed to sign it.

I hope to get my renewal in a week or so.

zxcvbob
May 10, 2009, 08:54 PM
I sent mine to Atlanta about a month ago. They cashed the check right away but I haven't heard anything yet. I figure a few more weeks.

James K
May 10, 2009, 09:39 PM
The general practice with government agencies is that they will forward mail to the new address for a while or until it begins to take too much time from their real duties. After that, they will just refuse it and let the post office return it.

Jim

jhammer
May 11, 2009, 11:05 AM
Well, mine must have been sent to the correct address because they cashed the check today. :cool:

KLRANGL
May 11, 2009, 11:15 AM
So... The Martinsberg WV adress is definitely the current one?
http://www.atf.gov/firearms/fflc/about.htm

The Federal Firearms Licensing Center address is:
244 Needy Road
Martinsburg, WV 25405
We may be reached by phone during regular business hours at:
1-866-662-2750 (Toll Free)
Our fax number is:
1-866-257-2749 (Toll Free)
Our e-mail address is:
nlc@atf.gov

Good thing I saw this thread. My C&R is going out this weekend :D

zxcvbob
May 11, 2009, 12:40 PM
I've got a copy of the current form right here. On the back it says to mail it (and $30) to PO Box 409567 in Atlanta. And at the bottom of the same page it says to send inquiries to the Martinsburg, VA address.

jhammer
May 11, 2009, 01:47 PM
I sent mine to the PO Box in Atlanta.

madsenshooter
May 12, 2009, 04:14 AM
I sent mine to Atlanta in Sep of last year. There were some things the FBI and NCIC turned up, arrests not convictions. I had to come up with the final disposition. Problem is, they sent the letter telling me that to KY, I live in Indiana! You ever try to get information on charges dismissed in 1976? A disorderly conduct for falling asleep in my car in front of girlfriend's house and my knee hitting the horn. Anyway, I think the clerk has been down in the basement quite awhile looking for that one. I been waiting 6 months and saw many a good C&R deal go by. After waiting 5 months I sent them an email and learned about having to come up with paperwork from the courts. 3 down, one to go, the least and oldest of the lot. Maybe soon.

James K
May 12, 2009, 08:21 PM
I can pretty well guarantee no one was "in the basement" looking up anything. The PD that arrested you for that "grievous offense" entered it into their computer and never cleared it, so it went to the feds and continues to show up today. In some cases, folks have had to get an attorney and go to court to remove arrest records that resulted in dismissals or non prosecutions.

The FBI is under a lot of heat from an anti-gun AG to "enforce the law", so we can expect more of that kind of CYA - when in doubt assume the worst.

Jim

madsenshooter
May 13, 2009, 04:38 PM
Not many computers in 76 Jim. But if I remember correctly this is one of things I had to get a waiver for when I joined the Air Force in 78. Maybe it found its way into a computer then. I'd pretty much bet the clerk is in the basement on this one. They have dockets on their website, but only back into the 90's. I was a clerk in the AF in the late 70's, early 80's, we were still using electric typewriters, and a navigator introduced the first computer to us, dot matrix printer. Boy filing those forms out now a days would be a breeze!

BobbyT
May 14, 2009, 03:18 PM
Sent mine in a month ago, but I used the old form and mailed it to the old Dallas P.O. Box.

Called ATF the other day and the woman told me to resend, but to the Atlanta address because that's where their bank is (?). I hesitantly sent it there and not WV. Hope she knew what she was talking about because I wanted to have my C&R by now, and I'll certainly be ****** if it ends up being half the summer.

What's the most recent someone's used the Atlanta box and been accepted?

zxcvbob
May 14, 2009, 03:53 PM
I sent mine in in April (to Atlanta) and they cashed the check on 4/28 so I know they got it. Still waiting for the FFL.

jhammer
May 15, 2009, 12:08 AM
I sent mine there a week or two ago and it was cashed pretty fast. :cool:

gandog56
May 15, 2009, 06:52 PM
I believe I sent mine to Atlanta, but that was a year ago January.

stickhauler
May 16, 2009, 12:07 AM
It took just at a month for mine to process, even with them sending it back for a screw-up of mine, I forgot to list the CLEO name and address on the ATF part of the form. Fixed it and re-sent it, it arrived within a week. The nice lady I spoke to at Martinsburg, WV was the most enjoyable experience I've ever had with any government agency.

DrLaw
May 17, 2009, 07:14 AM
When I renewed last year, I managed to forget something. I called Atlanta and got a real nice person who told me what was wrong and we got me straightened out before the license expired and my new one made it to me p.d.q. I'd have to say my experience with them was a good one. It all starts with being very polite though.

The Doc is out now. :cool:

tbinder
May 17, 2009, 02:30 PM
Hello All,

Got got renewal in the mail today. It took about a month total. I had a buddy certify my citizenship (WRONG) and got a letter explaining that it needed to self certify. I did that and received my new C&R about two weeks later.

Chuckusaret
May 17, 2009, 10:38 PM
I screwed up when I sent my request in, I used the old forms and sent it to the wrong address. Needless to say my request was returned. I have since resubmitted it to the right location. :rolleyes:

madsenshooter
June 28, 2009, 06:48 PM
It's been 8 or 9 months now, first a letter requesting more info was sent to me, but at the wrong zipcode. I have to prove that a 1976 Disorderly Conduct was not a domestic violence! The court record showing the charge was not good enough, I had to write the PD involved, the old microfiche was unreadable when reproduced, but the clerk sent me a narrative, which I have sent to the Dept of Justice. Whatever happened to assumed innocent until proven guilty? They are assuming quilt until one proves their innocence. With luck this will be the end of it though!

zxcvbob
June 28, 2009, 07:00 PM
I mailed mine on April 20. Check was cashed on the 28th. Still waiting.

zxcvbob
July 2, 2009, 11:25 AM
It got here today. :) Just the license form (the important part), it says the "welcome packet" will come in another week or two.

Rig4Dive
July 6, 2009, 08:04 PM
I called the ATF's main 800 number this morning to clarify the correct address for new C&R applications.

It was explained to me that all applications are to be sent to the Atlanta PO Box, where funds are then cashed/deposited. (This is where the ATF has arrangements for the financial processing of the application.) The application is then forwarded to Martinsburg, WV for further administrative processing and ultimately, approval.

Seems unncessarily redundant, but that's what I received from the horses ummm, mouth.... ;)

Hope that helps someone.

langenc
July 6, 2009, 08:21 PM
Anytime a check comes in they process the check immediately. The balance of the app may be all wrong but they will take your money.

impalacustom
July 7, 2009, 03:05 AM
Just out of curiousity, are you guys not reading your applications? They state right on them the place to mail them too. I am starting to wonder how you got your application.