Problem loading 223

[Kenawell1]

I have redding dies in 223 remington, I am trying to load the 50 grain hornady v-max, case is cut to the trim to length witch is 1.750.
Now the hornady book says to seat the 50 grn at 2.200 . I have my seater bottomed out and I cant get 2.200.
Now multiple bullets have the same measurement(2.200), so I will have an issue with more then the v-max.
I reload a few different calibers , I have Decent reloading equipment. Anyone know what the problem is? I say its the die?
Dave

[Don H]

I have my seater bottomed out and I cant get 2.200.

What does "bottomed out" mean to you? The die body touching the shellplate or shell holder? Does it mean the seating stem is screwed all the way down in the die?

How, exactly, have you set up the die?

By the way, welcome to TFL!

[frank_1947]

Sounds like you need to screw the die down further, that will give you more adjustment my .223 or set at 2.250 with but that is with a 55gr Montana Gold bullet that has a cannelur do the v-max have cannelure?

[Kenawell1]

The seater is all the way down. not enough adjustment. I tried to turn the die down more, you cant turn it to low it crushes the case. Dies arent made to be seated deeper then they recomened it just doesnt work that way.
The seater is hollow , the bullet enters it untill it surrounds the bullet then evenly seats. Is there a die thats different?

[Kenawell1]

no they dont. but someone loads the 50-v-max, and how did they do it?

[Shoney]

There are two seperate adjustments to be made on a seater/crimp die. They must be set seperately in order to work together.

Screw the stem almost all the way out of the die.

With the press at top dead center (top dead center on most presses is not the end of the stroke, it is just before the end of the stroke, as the machine cams over the ram will go back down at the end of the stroke, Pay Attention to this detail) with a sized case in place; screw the die down untill you cannot turn it by hand any more. Lock it in.

Now lower the ram, place a bullet in place and raise it to TDC; screw the seating stem down until it contacts the bullet, lower the ram and screw the stem in 2-3 turns. cycle the ram and test the bullet depth, screwing the seating stem in until you have the desired OAL.

[frank_1947]

what shoney said do that it almost sounds like you dont have the stem in the die, and yes a die will seat way below what it calls for if not set up right you can bury abullet in the case but crushing case tells me your to low.

Well do what Shoney said then write back

[Kenawell1]

ok well im telling everyone that the seater is all the way in. it looked like its hitting the inside of the die. meaning the seater is all the way down. I know about the cam-over but good point!
Its not going to be a simple mistake Myself and 2 other looked at this everything is correct. the die is was screwed into the press and then back off 1 full turn. Thats how I had it first. Then i tried to only b

[Kenawell1]

ok well im telling everyone that the seater is all the way in. it looked like its hitting the inside of the die. meaning the seater is all the way down. I know about the cam-over but good point!
Its not going to be a simple mistake Myself and 2 other looked at this everything is correct. the die is was screwed into the press and then back off 1 full turn. Thats how I had it first. Then i tried to only back it off 1/2 turn. didnt do anything, then I turned the die in more then needed . for some reason it put a crease in the case .. I have series A dies. everything is set up ok. If I take the seater out and look down into the top of the die. I see the small hole where bullet comes up . seems like the seater is hitting the die body on inside like I said.

[frank_1947]

when you say screwed into press then backed out a turn , from what point did you back out a turn, did you raise the handle until plate or shell holder touch tip of die?

[Kenawell1]

shellholder

[frank_1947]

shell holder holds the emty case it fits into the top of ram there is a grove to fit shell hlder into, then you place emty case in it that is what a shell holder is, so if you have a shell holder put it in press then pull handle to raise the shell holde ( Ithink you have die into far) so loosin die and screw it out then raise the handle now screw die in until it hits shell holder, now back it out 1/4 turn (do you have a factory round sitting around?) now screw out the adjuster if you have a factory round put it into shell holder raise into die with adjuster screw all the way out once all the way in lower adjuster screw till it stops now you are real close to doing your own, if you do not have loaded round with out primer or powder put a case into shell holder not set bullet in there raise run screw down until it hits bullet , lower and turn adjustment screw in a full 2 turns now it should be into case take measurement and adjust to length you want

[Kenawell1]

Frank.. I understand the reload process and its parts. The die is set how ur telling me to. I have the die in properly screwed die down till touched the shellholder at its highest point etc etc.... do you have these dies? Im wondering if there all the same inside ..

[Kenawell1]

Also the dies were given to me . They do look brand new. I am wondering if the seater is worn out??
I mean the guy who gave me the dies shoots in some rifle shoot its pro team. He may have ran a few thousand few here i dunno?

[Sport45]

What kind of die? Could the seating plug be missing?

[Kenawell1]

redding, no its there I ran out of adjustment . "the seater plug is screwed in as far as it will go and I cant get the listed oal

[Kenawell1]

Im not sure but im guessing that I will have to get a different type that has a seater plug thats different then mine. see mine has a hole so that the bullet slightly goes in and then starts pushing the bullet in

[frank_1947]

I have a set of lee dies for 223 but mine has a hole that the bullet rises to the seater plug maybe its wrong die for 223

[Kenawell1]

im not sure , I just want to hear from someone with redding type a dies, My seater may be worn really bad Im not sure why I cant seat a bullet the has a oal of 2.200.
I dont know how to check my rifle to see the throat measurement, or whatever its called. If I could find out what the oal of my chamber is I would just make them that.

[freakshow10mm]

Take a picture of the die in the press. That will help determine what is going on.

[Kenawell1]

my camera's flash stoped working but I can try, whats happening is on the inside of the die anyway, I need someone with these dies to come on here!!

[freakshow10mm]

The position of the seating stem in relation to the die's depth in the threads will help us figure out hat is going on in the die.

[Kenawell1]

I will try to get some . I have to pick my daughter up from school and then she has a doc appointment. I will take some pics sometime around 5:30-630

[frank_1947]

what is your measurement

[Kenawell1]

the hornady book says 50 grn v-max is 2.200 with the trim length at 1.750

[Kenawell1]

im having problems uploading with photobucket, send me ur email and ill send like 5 pics showing everything needed to see

[Kenawell1]

My email address is whyhappen2me@aol.com so you know its me

[Kenawell1]

I cant get the pics to go on this page??