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Yodwinder
April 20, 2009, 11:12 AM
10 Gauge Pump: here (http://www.browning.com/products/catalog/firearms/detail.asp?value=011B&cat_id=012&type_id=2121)

And maybe some slugs: here (http://www.midwayusa.com/viewproduct/?productnumber=449238)

zippy13
April 20, 2009, 11:16 AM
Youbetcha!

Yodwinder
April 20, 2009, 11:18 AM
;)

bwheasler
April 20, 2009, 11:44 AM
Are you into pain, gas operated would be less painful, or a mercury recoil suppesssor? Either way, it's a lot of shotgun

TxGun
April 20, 2009, 12:36 PM
Depends on your tolerance for recoil. Some guys can barely handle a 30-06 rifle, or a 12 gauge shotgun. Some guys can shoot a box of 338 Win. Mag, or a 10 gauge pump like the Browning or old Ithaca, and not give it much thought.

Mike Irwin
April 20, 2009, 12:39 PM
No.

IT WILL RIP IT CLEAN OFF!!! :eek:

Yodwinder
April 20, 2009, 12:46 PM
Heh, I've shot 308 and 12 ga. slugs. Neither of which really bothered me that much. Granted, I've not shot a full box of ammo though either but the recoil didn't bother me either way.

B. Lahey
April 20, 2009, 12:48 PM
Isn't that the whole point?:D

rantingredneck
April 20, 2009, 12:55 PM
A 1 3/4 oz projectile at 1280FPS.

That's gonna smart some.

I have shot these:

http://www.winchester.com/products/catalog/shotdetail.aspx?symbol=STH12356&bn=5&use=12

in 12 ga 3.5". They hurt. (2oz #6 at 1300FPS)

The 10 ga slug will hurt a little less from that gun, but still it will hurt.

BigJimP
April 20, 2009, 01:49 PM
I think all you studs ought to buy at least one 10ga ..... ( maybe 2 or 3 )....

Been there, did that .... it was fun ;)

rantingredneck
April 20, 2009, 01:52 PM
I don't even shoot the 3.5" 12 ga. (Mossberg 835) anymore.

It's strictly kept around to allow my nephews to punish themselves with recoil if they choose.

I have other, more sensible options for loaner guns for them, but they gravitate toward the "three and a half" for some reason........:D

BigJimP
April 20, 2009, 01:56 PM
If you wet yourself laughing at this again - its not my fault ....

http://thefiringline.com/forums/showthread.php?t=324628

its at my expense / but its not my fault ....

Willie Lowman
April 20, 2009, 07:38 PM
It's ok, you think you have something to prove. Go ahead and hurt yourself, you will be more of a man for it and we will respect you more... Women will want to meet you, boys will want to grow up to be like you.:rolleyes:

Do you intend to kill some kind of critter with that sett up or are you just looking to put huge chunks of lead in the air?

I won't be impressed till you shoot it one handed from the hip. ;)

rantingredneck
April 20, 2009, 08:33 PM
If you wet yourself laughing at this again - its not my fault ....

http://thefiringline.com/forums/showthread.php?t=324628

its at my expense / but its not my fault ....

Jim, That was a hoot. I'd never read it before, thanks for sharing your pain :D.

A fellow who used to hunt with us hunted with an Ithaca 10 gauge. Don't remember the model number. What tickled me most about it was that he was about 150 lbs soaking wet and the gun was literally bigger than him. He shot it well though and killed lots of deer and who knows how many turkeys with it over the years.

He had his second spinal surgery about a year ago though and I think the 10 gauge is out for him, along with probably the 12 gauge. He'd given up hunting several years prior to his surgery as his neck/arm/shoulder was bothering him quite a bit. It was literally all he could do to get up and go to work (welder). He went home every night and self medicated with a 12 pack if you know what I mean. Since his surgery he is on permanent disability at 59.

The 10 ga didn't cause his troubles exactly. His tumble from a treestand 25 years ago (the cause of his first spinal surgery) is the likely culprit. I'm sure all those years afterward of 10 ga recoil didn't help much.

Yet another reason I've moderated my shooting habits somewhat since my own treestand tumble and spinal fusion 19 mos ago.

zippy13
April 21, 2009, 12:12 AM
Reading the anecdotes, this post's replies got me thinking: Why would anyone really want a 10-ga recoil generator? There aren't many 10-ga slug, upland, nor target loads on the market. The answer is simple, a water-fowler wants a 10-ga for steel shot. Because steel is less dense than lead, more volume is needed, and a steel 10-ga replaces a lead 12-ga.

Might a 3" 12-ga shooting lead kick more than 3-1/2" 10-ga shooting steel?

I looked at Browning BPSs (selected by the OP) and the 10-ga is 2-1/4 pounds, or 27%, heaver than the 12-ga model.
Let's look at steel and lead 1-3/4 oz loads (NS10M & PHV12M by Remington) with payloads similar to the slug shown by the OP:
The 10-ga 3-1/2" waterfowl steel load Nitro Steel High Velocity has a muzzle velocity of 1260 fps, and a similar 12-ga 3" turkey load (plated lead) Premier High Velocity Mag is up a little at 1300 fps.
You can run the numbers, if you want (the difference of the squares of the velocities is 6.4%), won't the 27% heavier 10-ga have significantly less felt recoil (kick) than the similarly loaded 12-ga?

Some food for thought,
Pete

Catfishman
April 21, 2009, 12:21 AM
It's ok, you think you have something to prove. Go ahead and hurt yourself, you will be more of a man for it and we will respect you more... Women will want to meet you, boys will want to grow up to be like you.

Very funny!

Seriously though. For some reason I'd like to know how does a 10 gauge recoil compared to a 12 gauge?

olddrum1
April 21, 2009, 12:31 AM
I whole heartedly agree Zonethree.

TxGun
April 21, 2009, 12:34 AM
Recoil from a 3 1/2" 12 ga. with the same shot size is roughly comparable to the 3 1/2" 10 ga. IMO. I've shot both and the 10 ga. is heavier enough over the 12, at least in the example I shot (BPS Stalker), that recoil felt approximately like the 12 with the 3 1/2", maybe even a max. 3". Not terrible at all, but noticeable. It certainly didn't "break my shoulder", "tear my arm off", "rattle my teeth loose" or any of the other shotgun mayhem myths people like to perpetuate.

earlthegoat2
April 21, 2009, 05:13 AM
Maybe get the SP-10 or Browning Gold 10 ga for at least a little recoil taming

B.L.E.
April 21, 2009, 06:05 AM
Seriously though. For some reason I'd like to know how does a 10 gauge recoil compared to a 12 gauge?

Usually, a 10 gauge shotgun is a little heavier than its 12 gauge counterpart and that extra weight tends to tame the recoil some. Also, there is some overlap in shot amount. A magnum 12 gauge may have more shot in it than a non-magnum 10 gauge. Ultimately, it's the weight of the shot, not the size of the barrel that makes a gun kick. I would bet you could custom load some 1 1/8 ounce 10 gauge loads and it would be more pleasant to shoot than the same load in a 12 gauge simply because the gun would weigh more.

A couple of days ago, someone let me shoot his double barrel 6 gauge muzzle loading shotgun. The load was 2 ounces of shot and a "goodly" amount of gunpowder. But, because that gun must have weighed about 14 pounds or so, it was surprisingly pleasant to shoot, I could have shot it all day.
The size of the holes in the barrel made me nickname it "Elmer Fudd's Shotgun". A 6 gauge is a .91 inch bore.