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TMUSCLE1
April 16, 2009, 02:32 PM
Pretty simple enough question I think. I was just wondering what were some of your thoughts on a floor plate on a hunting rifle? Yes or no?

I ask because I have found a Remington 700 in 30-06 with synthetic stock(what I'm looking for). I have found both with the floor plate and have seen them without(without is cheaper).
I was wondering if this makes a huge difference with...

-the way the rifle operates/cycles
-is it a real hassle to cycle to unload?
-thoughts?

If I need to explain myself better please let me know.

ISC
April 16, 2009, 02:48 PM
I don't see how a rifle with an internal magazine can operate as a repeater without a floorplate.

Are you talking about replacing the aluminmum floorplate with a steel or extended plastic one?

Doyle
April 16, 2009, 02:49 PM
I don't see how a rifle with an internal magazine can operate as a repeater without a floorplate.

Simple, it is a blind box magazine that loads from the top.

TMUSCLE1
April 16, 2009, 02:52 PM
Yes, it is a blind box magazine. Thank you Doyle, I should have made myself more clear.

I was just wondering the pros/cons of this vs. a floor plate.

If any of you have rifles like this. This will ultimately effect my decision as we all know how the economy is...I don't see the problem, just wanting some thoughts. I have used a rifle before with the floor plate, but now without.

COYOTE JLR
April 16, 2009, 03:01 PM
Personally, I've always preferred a floor plate over not, but I don't think it's a deal breaker if a gun doesn't have one. I would rather just drop all of my rounds right at my feet instead of cycling them out one by one and then gathering them. The guns should both feed the same and without problems.

How much of a difference are we talking about $$ wise? And do you think you'll ever have any first time shooters using it? I like the floor plate when I'm letting a newbie use my gun simply because that's a few less rounds they'll have to have locked and loaded if they want to hand the gun back.

I don't think you'll find any difference performance wise between the two. If the cash difference isn't all that much I'd spring for the floor plate, but if you don't have the money to drop it shouldn't ever be something you'll look back on and kick yourself over.

TMUSCLE1
April 16, 2009, 03:06 PM
Thanks Coyote. That's pretty much what I was looking for. As far as your questions go.

This gun is for me as a hunting/target rifle. No newbies or new shooters will be shooting it.

WITHOUT floor plate: $475.
With floor plate: $585 is the cheapest I have found. Both prices before tax.

I think that is a good enough price difference for me to consider that no floor plate rifle. I'm slowly starting to lean towards the cheaper one.

Anybody else?

Doyle
April 16, 2009, 03:25 PM
I don't find a box magazine particularly hard to unload. Most I've used don't require you to cycle the round fully, just push it far enough in to engage the extractor and then pull back. For large rounds like 30-06, you will probably be able to just stick your finger in and pop them out.

COYOTE JLR
April 16, 2009, 03:50 PM
You're welcome T. Considering the price difference I would definitely say that you should go without the floor plate. Just think about how much ammo that will get you. :) Good luck and happy shooting.

TMUSCLE1
April 16, 2009, 03:52 PM
I think that settles it Doyle! LOL When I get it and can post pics I will. Thank you for your help guys.

roklok
April 16, 2009, 03:56 PM
I seldom use the floorplate on my rifles even though they all have them. I find it easier to unload simply taking them out the top. I usually end up with rounds on the ground when I open the plate.

jmr40
April 16, 2009, 05:50 PM
I actually prefer the ADL style with no floorplate. It helps keep the action and stock stiffer as well as lighter. One less thing to go wrong. A lot of professional guides hunting dangerous game weld the floorplates shut so they cannot open at the wrong time and dump their ammo on the ground.

banditt007
April 16, 2009, 05:56 PM
when i bought my savage 30-06 i was deciding between and blind box mag and a floor plate. i decided i wanted the blind box mag for a few reasons. This is what i thought..

-I didn't want the bottom getting caught on something and dumping out all the ammo
-one less thing to break
-no cold metal or anything sticking out on the underside (for carrying)

To unload mine i just push the bolt far enough forward to push the round out of the magazine.... it never chambers....and then retract the bolt and pluck out the round. or just lift the muzzle up a bit and tip it to the side and the round falls out. To unload mine does not need anything close to a full chambering each time. Also even if the hinged floor plate was faster to unload, i never minded taking the extra, literally, 10 seconds to unload the gun.

Having the option for both is great though, and everyone has their own preferences. To me i just didn't see any advantage to the hinged floor plate aside from faster unloading. Everything else i see as a negative. Maybe i'm missing something?

uncyboo
April 16, 2009, 06:13 PM
Personally, I've always preferred a floor plate over not, but I don't think it's a deal breaker if a gun doesn't have one. I would rather just drop all of my rounds right at my feet instead of cycling them out one by one and then gathering them. The guns should both feed the same and without problems.

For me---this ^

I have both types of rifles and don't especially miss the floor plate on the ones that don't have it, but on the ones that do I find it handy. I would never let the lack of one stop me from buying a rifle I liked.

Swampghost
April 16, 2009, 09:39 PM
+1 for uncyboo. The floorplate has never been a deciding factor in any of my purchases. I have both and rarely use the floorplate to unload, just old habit.

T. O'Heir
April 16, 2009, 10:06 PM
"...how a rifle with an internal magazine can operate..." Every repeating bolt action has an internal mag.
"...Both prices..." Buy based on the price. Same rifle with a different stock, otherwise.

mcraig8377
April 16, 2009, 10:25 PM
i had this same situation. i went with the blind magazine as they call it. just for the simple fact that the hinge/floorplate could cause more problems than it is worth. with a blind magazine everything is on you! with a floorplate you can use all sorts of this happened that happened B.S.

CajunBass
April 17, 2009, 06:13 AM
I had a Winchester Model 70 that had a floorplate. It was handy, but not worth $100.00 +.

ZeroJunk
April 17, 2009, 06:40 AM
The only time I ever open the floor plate is for cleaning. I've always unloaded from the top. Typically I don't unload the magazine until the end of the season, just push the top cartridge down and slide the bolt over it until the last time I plan to use the rifle. And, if you are just shooting you are going to shoot them out anyway.

bojack2575
April 17, 2009, 07:06 AM
I know this is beating a dead horse here, but I always do what ZeroJunk does, clear the chamber and leave the mag loaded until hunting season is over. I don't feel the need to "reinvent the wheel" every time I go hunting.

TMUSCLE1
April 17, 2009, 07:50 AM
Thanks for the indepth replies.

I just didn't see any real benefit to pay over $100 more for a floor plate. It is the same rifle...same length, caliber, etc. I think I will definitely get the cheaper one. :D

Kreyzhorse
April 17, 2009, 10:54 AM
It won't make any difference on how the rifle functions. Good call going for the one without the floor plate.

johnwilliamson062
April 17, 2009, 11:12 AM
Any sort of magazine malfunction is going to be easier to address with a floorplate.

I know if I did not get the floor plate I would think about how it wasn't there for a measly $100 for the rest of my life.

In 20 years that $100 is going to seem like nothing.

jaybird.78
April 17, 2009, 03:24 PM
I usually just shoot the ammo, no need to unload it. ;)

Everyone has their kicks, my rifles are sans floorplates. I have used rifles with and while useful I wouldn't make it a priority.

If your out shooting this ought 06 and you take a shot, you have what maybe like 3 or 4 cartridges to unload..........the agony. ;)


Have fun with your new rifle.

Jekyll
April 17, 2009, 04:34 PM
Floor plates can be noisy and can open in the field unexpectedly. They also provide another opening into the magazine and action through which unwanted things can enter. I have seen floorplates pop open by contact with brush and I've seen floor plates open and dump all the rounds on the first shot (granted, that floorplate was likely askew in the first place but......)

No floor plate for me if I have a choice. Though I would take a floorplate over a detachable magazine on a hunting rifle every day of the week.

Art Eatman
April 17, 2009, 07:02 PM
The floorplate is convenient for unloading, but I don't see where it's particularly important. As far as accidental opening, I've not had that problem in the last nearly-sixty years and many, many thousands of rounds of shooting and many miles of walking-hunting.

Without a floorplate, you certainly don't have to fully chamber a round before removing it. Just push forward a bit on the blot, tilt the rifle, and out falls the cartridge. With or without a floorplate, when you think you're all done, stick your pinky into the chamber as a safety double-check and forget about it...

chewietherugger
April 17, 2009, 07:39 PM
I hunt with a R-700 7mm Mag. I started out with a R-700 6mm, both BDL Classic.

I can't imagine a hunting rifle without a floor plate or detachable magazine, (not counting lever guns which are just fun to unload) I have NEVER experianced any problems as a result of floorplate, but have had moments with numb fingertips and human error jams that would have been a nightmare to deal with, if there wasn't a floorplate. Remington also makes a detachable mag. adapter kit, compatible with floorplate models; blind-box models would require a trip to a gunsmith that would be unwise, for the addition of such simple feature.

Also, the ease of unloading is an issue...especially if you live in an area where unloading before "the end of hunting season" is the law.

FLOORPLATE TRICK: (for those who end up with rounds on the ground)
-Hold the gun, muzzle down and floorplate away, with your right hand.
-Put your index on the plate release.
-Tuck the barrel end under your arm to help steady the rifle.
-Use your left had to catch the floor plate and cartridges.
-The rounds will roll into your hand as long you slow the release of the plate.


Rem. 700 is classic either way...enjoy.

Alamocdc
April 17, 2009, 09:34 PM
I have a Rem Mdl 700 w/floor plate, but like Coyote and others, I'm not sure it would warrant the extra $$$. Yes, it makes dumping the mag easier, and cleaning, but BION I can't remember the last time I opened one of mine (I have several w/floor plates).

I've actually forgotten it was there and cycled the rounds out numerous times. And, as has already been mentioned, you don't have to do a full cycle.

One more thought... If the extra $$$ is not really a problem and you think you might trade or sell the rifle later, the floor plate version might (not sure about this, but...) might hold its value better. I'm no FFL, so I don't know for sure. Just thinking out loud.

mcraig8377
April 17, 2009, 11:25 PM
the hinge/floorplate will eventually open when you do not want it to that is just my opinion. that is why i stay away from them if i can in my purchases.

sc928porsche
April 18, 2009, 09:12 AM
The hinged floor plate is a handy item but not necessary. I have many with them and a few without. I have heard of floorplates opening on their own, but have never experienced it.

If you intend to get the rifle engraved, then I would say that a floor plate would be a welcome item, but only then.

BusGunner007
April 18, 2009, 10:24 AM
MAG-XTENDER

http://www.midwayusa.com/Eproductpage.Exe/showproduct?saleitemid=818519
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http://www.brownells.com/aspx/NS/Store/ProductDetail.aspx?p=19711
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From here on TFL:

http://www.thefiringline.com/forums/showthread.php?t=326080
http://i107.photobucket.com/albums/m312/hd0642/HPIM0228.jpg

ssilicon
April 18, 2009, 10:38 AM
Wow. Lots of good thoughts flying around here. Here is what I come up with after reading and interjecting my own value system:

No floor plate summary
1. Cheaper.
2. No plate to pop open accidentally and take away your ammo and thus ability to shoot, (BUT such malfunctions seem to be more a fear than an actual reality).
3. Not that hard to unload one round at a time.

With floor plate summary:
1. A bit more money but like someone said, over time that cost is nothing.
2. If there is a problem with the magazine area and the rounds, it can be a great advantage to be able to deal with it via a floor plate vs. digging around in a closed box.
3. Easier/quicker to unload (but it isn't the end of the world doing it the old school way either).
4. Option to convert to a detachable magazine system should you at some point wish to.
5. Allows for more complete/easier cleaning of the magazine area.

I bet you can tell which way I would choose. :D

dgludwig
April 24, 2009, 01:08 PM
Any sort of magazine malfunction is going to be easier to address with a floorplate.

If there is a problem with the magazine area and the rounds, it can be a great advantage to be able to deal with it via a floor plate vs. digging around in a closed box.

Though I own both types and don't consider the difference to mean much, IF you ever experience a malfunction (jam) that is magazine/feeding/chambering related, it is a whole lot easier to access the problem by unhinging a floorplate and dumping rounds that may be impeding a "fix" by being in the way. The same jam occuring in a rifle with a blind magazine will limit easy access to the problem.

Again, not a big issue in my mind but maybe something to consider.

44 AMP
April 24, 2009, 09:15 PM
and that is a hinged floorplate. All magazines have something that functions as a floorplate, it is whatever makes up the bottom of the magazine. The Mauser 98 series rifles all have floorplates, but they are not hinged floorplates. It can be removed, but requires pushing in on the catch button (with a cleaning rod or cartridge, or other tool) and sliding the floorplate slightly so it disengages.

A "blind" box magazine is one where the floorplate is not detachable, and is usually covered by the stock.

Back in the old days when rifle stocks were all wood, the Rem 700 BDL cost more than the ADL because of the floorplate AND the fancy stock, and a couple other cosmetic features. With synthetic stocks, you don't get a better stock along with the hinged floorplate, just one with a different hole where the magazine is.

The major pros for a hinged floorplate is the ease of unloading, and should you have a magazine malfunction, ease of access to correct it. Often a jammed follower will be "fixed" simply by opening the floorplate and carefully closing it again.

The major cons? Cost, and the rare (but documented) unintentional opening of the floorplate, dumping the rounds, always, it seems, at the worst possible time.

That said, the hinged floorplate on my custom .458 has never opened on its own. Nor have I ever experienced this on any of my other rifles in other calibers in nearly four decades of using them, unless it was my own fault. On some guns, you can close the hinged floorplate, without it being correctly centered and latched. When this happens, it will usually stay closed for a while, then pop open when it feels like it. That isn't the floorplates fault, it is your fault.

I wouldn't spend another 20% (or more) of the cost of the rifle just to get a hinged floorplate. Odds are I could get one and install it myself cheaper, if I felt it was needed.

Swampghost
April 24, 2009, 09:52 PM
I also have a number of rifles with and without. I've never had a problem with either. I also forget that the plate is there and unload them 'as usual'.

Gewehr98
April 28, 2009, 11:15 AM
But I haven't tried to induce one, either.

Busgunner, that mag extender pic looks familiar!

http://mauser98.com/700pssbenchirc.jpg

TMUSCLE1
April 28, 2009, 01:40 PM
Wow...a lot of thoughts for regards to both. I do like the fact than you can put a mag extender on for the floorplate design.

publius
April 28, 2009, 02:23 PM
All of my rifles have hinged floorplates but if I found a god deal on a rifle with a blind box I wouldn't hesitate to get it. it simply makes unloading easier but my rifle rarely gets unloaded during hunting season. I jack the round out of the chamber and case the rifle. In the eyes of the law this is still a loaded weapon and it may not be legal to have a loaded rifle in your truck during hunting season. It's not legal in my area but I know the Game Wardens and they know I'm not an outlaw road hunter.

BusGunner007
April 28, 2009, 08:30 PM
I popped those mag extenders on both the 700 POLICE/.308 and my 700/7mm.
Now I gotta take pix!
Your rifle looks mighty good, there, Gewehr98!

BusGunner007
May 1, 2009, 08:27 PM
It took a few days, but here's the pix of the 700 POLICE / .308 and 700 / 7mm Rem.Mag. with the Mag-Xtender floorplate parts installed.
On the .308, there's a little gap at the back. I may go back and monkey with it for a better fit.
On the 7MAG, I took two swipes too many while fitting it and used JB Weld to build it back up and file it to fit again. It fits a bit better now...:rolleyes:

You can see that I like HOGUE stocks.
I've also been switching over to Weaver/Picatinny mounting on all my long guns.

The decal on the POLICE riflescope is the ARFCOM Bolt Face Logo.
Hope the pix help with the thought processes of how they work and fit.
PIX on the internet is why I have half of what I've got.
They're almost too inspirational!!!

7+1 in the rifle; 4 on the sling; 5 on the buttcuff; many extras fit IN the buttcuff...!
http://www.hunt101.com/data/500/medium/TOWNHOUSE_268.JPG
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BusGunner007
May 1, 2009, 08:39 PM
5+1 in the rifle; 9 on the 'Rube Goldberg' buttcuff.
I poked a hole for the sling swivel and zip-tied it on the stock. Works...for me!
NIKON Monarch Mil-Dot 3.3-10x44 scope in Warne Maxima rings on a Mounting Solutions Plus long-action mount. Quake sling/swivels. HOGUE stock, pillar-bedded.

http://www.hunt101.com/data/500/medium/TOWNHOUSE_282.JPG
http://www.hunt101.com/data/500/medium/TOWNHOUSE_274.JPG
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bmumford
May 2, 2009, 08:32 PM
If you’re using it for hunting, definitely get a hinged floor plate instead of a blind magazine or detachable box mag. Savage has one of the best designs for this.

I know I'm a little bias, but you should look at a Savage 116 stainless steel "Weather Warrior". They are almost universally regarded as the most accurate factory-made rifle out of the box. And for the price, you simply can't beat it ($650 in a brick and mortar store). The Accutrigger is amazing and the new "Accustock" is the best factory stock available; period.

Weather you are on a budget or not, Savage is an awesome value.

bojack2575
May 2, 2009, 09:04 PM
I have Sako A7 with a detachable magazine and the way you have to take the mag out, it would be virtually impossible for it to accidentally come out.
You have to push it in while at the same time push the release button to get it to come out. I can't see while hunting ever a scenario where that would happen just right to make it happen. Its not as easy as it sound and anyone who owns one knows what I am talking about.

mcraig8377
May 3, 2009, 01:08 AM
i have been told situations of extreme cold IE alaska freezing them while hunting and then when you go to grab it out of the scabbard the hinge plate breaks or opens.

Picher
May 3, 2009, 10:24 AM
Both have advantages. I like the floorplate release on the Rem 700 because it's inside the trigger guard and can't easily get caught on brush and open accidentally. It's never happened to me in over 30 years of hunting with one.

The blind magazine ADL with a wood stock is more comfortable to carry in cold weather, especially without wearing gloves. Wood is a good insulator; aluminum flooplates can get cold to the touch!

To unload my push-feed ADL (in a safe direction), I've always removed the first round with the muzzle pointing to the ground then, cradling the action part of the stock with my left wrist, elevate the rifle above the horizon, turn the rifle clockwise and leave it there, so the rounds fall into my left hand while pushing the bolt forward just enough to release each round from the magazine, then back. Rounds fall into the left hand, as the bolt is pulled rearward to pick up another round. The rifle can be unloaded safely in about 5-10 seconds (if you can hold four rounds in your left hand).

Rounds from the magazine are never fully chambered and the bolt is not turned during the process, so it's a safer process than chambering each round to let the ejector kick them out.

Picher