PDA

View Full Version : Tea Party Events


MROD828
April 15, 2009, 02:08 PM
Ok, so these tea party events are to express frustration with the current administration over a number of issues. With that in mind and the threat to take away the right to bear arms ... do you guys think it would be a good thing or a bad thing to Open Carry (if its legal) to one of these events. I am going to the one in Phoenix and I just wanted to throw this question out there.

MBRinTN
April 15, 2009, 02:31 PM
No.

Webleymkv
April 15, 2009, 02:34 PM
I wouldn't, but then again I don't think open carry is such a hot idea in the first place (it draws unneccesarry attention).

azredhawk44
April 15, 2009, 02:37 PM
Lots of the Paulian/Revolution folks open carry at their events. FreedomsPhoenix here in town has the "Breakfast Club" and has done it for ~20 years... I see quite a few open carry pistols for that breakfast meeting.

The Phoenix freedom movement is very pro-carry. I'd worry about carrying at the Capitol though... even on the grounds in front of it.

I'd say conceal, and look for signs prohibiting and act accordingly.

Brian Pfleuger
April 15, 2009, 02:39 PM
It would be illegal in some places.

Carry, open or concealed, is sometimes prohibited at any large gathering of people.


Secondarily, the TEA parties have nothing to do with the current administration, particularly. They are a response to years of governmental fiscal irresponsibility, partially from the previous and current administrations, but not exclusively.

Maromero
April 15, 2009, 02:40 PM
I wouldn't, but then again I don't think open carry is such a hot idea in the first place (it draws unneccesarry attention).

+1

johnwilliamson062
April 15, 2009, 03:11 PM
So who is going and who is sitting back in their chair and reading forums?

hogdogs
April 15, 2009, 03:14 PM
IBTL while sitting here reading and replying in forums...;)

Brent

computerguysd
April 15, 2009, 03:22 PM
We had a great turnout in Sioux Falls today. I was actually surprised at how early people began showing up. Very orderly and no "counter protesters" that I saw. The crowd had a mix of young and old, suits and jeans, lots of enthusiasm.

JuanCarlos
April 15, 2009, 04:20 PM
Chair+forums for me. Well, forums in one window, at least. Not so much laziness, but more that I don't agree with much of the sentiment driving them and they smell vaguely of astroturf (at least the lead-up did).

At the same time, seems like most of them went well and I wholeheartedly support the idea of people showing up to make their concerns known. Too many people think that showing up to the ballot box once every two or four years is enough. It's good to see people dusting off one of the clauses of the first amendment that I don't think sees enough use. It's good to get out the signs and get your (peaceful) rabble on every now and then.

And yeah, a vast majority of what I've heard about the crowds has been positive. So good for y'all that showed up.

gb_in_ga
April 15, 2009, 04:58 PM
I'd be there if I could, but I'm on mend from a nasty GI bug. Ick.

IBTL.

alloy
April 15, 2009, 05:11 PM
starts at 7:)

jgcoastie
April 15, 2009, 05:21 PM
Personally, I think it would be a very bad idea... For no other reason than the fact that some of these types of events tend to turn violent. Not to say that these will, but the possibility exists. I would tread carefully at any/all events like these, whether carrying or not, if I were to decide to go at all...

bikerbill
April 15, 2009, 05:54 PM
Can't do it here, wouldn't if I could ...

Shadi Khalil
April 15, 2009, 06:11 PM
Don't do it. You never know how a demonstration will turn out, you don't want to be the guy with a gun.

scorpion_tyr
April 15, 2009, 06:38 PM
I wouldn't do it... and I don't suggest it to anyone.

MrNiceGuy
April 15, 2009, 06:54 PM
This cause has certainly spiderwebbed

it started out as a protest to bring attentino to the governments overspending... if you try to turn it into an open carry protest it's just going to distract from the real goal and might attract some unwanted attention.

mnhntr
April 15, 2009, 07:38 PM
I watched them today and saw a guy with a 1911 open carried in an owb holster. I think it sends a message but maybe some unwanted attention also.

luvsasmith
April 15, 2009, 07:41 PM
yeah, what webley said.

stevieboy
April 15, 2009, 08:31 PM
VERY bad idea.

Te Anau
April 15, 2009, 08:54 PM
I went to mine and saw Glenn Becks on TV so I'm good to go. :)

Re4mer
April 15, 2009, 09:58 PM
Well if we lived in a world where people were not so nuts about everything you could probably get away with it. However, in most cases it would just be looked at as you trying be radical so I would not advise it.

treg
April 15, 2009, 10:11 PM
This cause has certainly spiderwebbed

it started out as a protest to bring attentino to the governments overspending... if you try to turn it into an open carry protest it's just going to distract from the real goal and might attract some unwanted attention.

+1

Just like you wouldn't carry a "YA, AND WE'RE OVERTAXED TOO" sign at the open carry rally.:D

ramp_tech
April 15, 2009, 10:14 PM
I OCed for part of the Tea Party today and I saw two other elder gentleman OC as well.

Pretty good turn out for a crappy day!:)

Chuckusaret
April 15, 2009, 10:20 PM
We had a Tea Party also from 5 to 8pm at the main courthouse here in West Palm Beach. Had about 2 to 3,000 people over the three hours. It was raining. Saw no guns, no trouble but people protested more than taxes. IMO I believe we are in for some violent protest starting this summer. People are very upset over the direction he is taking America. Most believe it is down the tubes.

I would not carry to any event of this type.

ocean
April 15, 2009, 10:23 PM
I don't think it would be a good idea. And I wonder where these groups have been for the previous eight years.

OhioAAA
April 15, 2009, 10:35 PM
I showed for a bit toward the end of it today.
I am not sure it's a good idea to OC for this particular event, considering the liberal medias always make us tax-paying / 2A-supporting citizen into "evil" centrals.

I did CC today tho:)

MrSardonicus
April 15, 2009, 10:42 PM
I went to the TEA party here in my town today. I saw a number of folks carrying not necessarily open, but not so concealed either. I had my CC side-arm just as I always do. Everyone was quite at home with it, but then that's the type of community I live in. After the main speakers were through, we had an "open mike" time they affectionately called "Speak your Peace" after the local morning talk show, and one of the first gents to get up and talk was open carrying and the first words he spoke were "I'll let my piece speak for me." The crowd ate it up...laughter and applause. I did think long and hard before I carried my PPK to the event, but in the end I did take it. For me it came down to the basic reasons I carry all the time. I just made sure I was extra attentive to the tenor of the crowd and paid close attention to my surroundings. Again, it all comes down to the local, state, and federal laws and your personal judgment.

jjyergler
April 15, 2009, 10:45 PM
There was a great turnout. There was a lot of knowledgeable discussion of the Bill of Rights (Second and Tenth Amendments seemed to be common points of discussion).

Not so much laziness, but more that I don't agree with much of the sentiment driving them and they smell vaguely of astroturf (at least the lead-up did).

JuanCarlos, please forgive my ignorance, but what sentiment don't you agree with? You are for limitless deficit spending? Also, I don't understand the astroturf reference.

MrSardonicus
April 15, 2009, 10:53 PM
I went.

IBTL?

astroturf?

OhioAAA
April 15, 2009, 10:56 PM
How did it go? We had a good turn out in the rain.

B.N.Real
April 15, 2009, 11:00 PM
Open carry a can of pepper spray on your belt in a holster.

There will be so much emotion going on at a rally like this,the last thing YOU want to be seen open carrying is a handgun on your side.

Yes,in a perfect world,you should be able to open carry.

But in a rally like this the police will be looking for any potential troublemakers and open carrying will get you on their list and stopped for sure.

While they probably can't get your firearms,to keep order and preclude you from potentially being the starting point of a problem,they can force you to leave by first asking you too and then arresting you if you do not leave.

JustDreadful
April 15, 2009, 11:07 PM
I went here in Vegas, for a little while. Felt kind of goofy, standing on the sidewalk.

+1 on astroturf :confused:

2amencw
April 15, 2009, 11:54 PM
I attended in Dayton OH. Awesome. My 12 y/o son went with me under his own protests; afterward he said,"Dad thanks for bringing me, this was awesome, Im glad I didnt stay home to play video games."The point of the whole thing was definitely not lost on him. He now has a strong sense of attachment to the future of our nation.I left there with a renewed sense of pride and motivation. Many people asked about the Mo^on ^abe slogan on my sign. They were very taken by my response. I didnt just talk about it pertaining to weapons. I believe that it pertains to anything the government wants to take away. They arent getting any of my rights without a fight. I have always been a Patriot but I will admit that I have been too silent for too long...no more. I served 8 yrs in the Corps and was reminded today that I still serve. When you see a veteran thank them for serving. Do your part and speak out against the wrongs we are seeing. It is not too late. God Bless America...Mo^on ^abe CW

chemgirlie
April 15, 2009, 11:54 PM
Also, I don't understand the astroturf reference.

The astroturf reference is a metaphor for saying that the tea parties were not true grassroots movements, that they were planned from the top down instead of the bottom up. Astroturf is fake grass, and calling a tea party astroturf is saying that it is not a true grassroots movement and is fake like astroturf.

That said, I went to my local tea party. Some good speakers, a few not so good ones. There were a few gun control related signs, but mostly tax law related stuff.

The one I went to was in my state's capital building, and I kind of felt bad for the 2 or 3 school tours that were there that day. They got caught in the middle and their tour guide had quite a job keeping their attention.

http://farm4.static.flickr.com/3378/3446057023_b913aedb4a.jpg?v=0
http://farm4.static.flickr.com/3602/3446864550_09d24d96f6.jpg?v=0
http://farm4.static.flickr.com/3558/3446047549_7aa6ce84aa.jpg?v=0

EastSideRich
April 15, 2009, 11:59 PM
It is a way to discount the "tea parties" and the people at them.
The sentiment on the left is that these demonstrations were organized by FOX news and other conservative organizations, not a part of some widespread grassroots movement (thus the astroturf reference).
It's saying they are phoney; staged by the vast right-wing conspiracy and attended by brain-washed right-wing extremist dittoheads.
After all, that many people couldn't possibly be unhappy with the direction our federal government it taking our country, right?

Chemgirlie - you beat me to the punch

Wildalaska
April 16, 2009, 12:13 AM
There were a few gun control related signs,

Yeah and that one about bullets first surely reflects well on gun owners:barf:

WildalocalblackeyeAlaska TM

JuanCarlos
April 16, 2009, 12:31 AM
It is a way to discount the "tea parties" and the people at them.
The sentiment on the left is that these demonstrations were organized by FOX news and other conservative organizations, not a part of some widespread grassroots movement (thus the astroturf reference).
It's saying they are phoney; staged by the vast right-wing conspiracy and attended by brain-washed right-wing extremist dittoheads.

I wouldn't go quite that far. Nor am I attempting to discount them...regardless of whether there was a bit of top-down organization (and there was plenty of grassroots sentiment as well..I said it smelled vaguely of astroturf, not strongly ;)), obviously a pretty fair amount of people decided to make their voices heard today. FOX can't fake that. Like I said, it's kind of heartening to see these kinds of rallies/protests.

After all, that many people couldn't possibly be unhappy with the direction our federal government it taking our country, right?

How many people? I have no problem believing a hundred thousand (or maybe a few hundred thousand) people can be that unhappy with this direction. And for every one that turned out today, I have no problem believing there are ten (or more) who are just as unhappy but simply couldn't make it.

I'd be careful with the presumptions about what I'm thinking.

Yeah and that one about bullets first surely reflects well on gun owners

I've seen dozens of signs that reflect very poorly on those holding them (and by extension those around them). That's the first gun-related one I've seen, though.

JuanCarlos, please forgive my ignorance, but what sentiment don't you agree with? You are for limitless deficit spending? Also, I don't understand the astroturf reference.

I'm wondering why there weren't TEA parties (gotta love the backronyms...wait, no you don't) on 15 April 2008, personally. I guess nearly limitless deficit spending was cool.



So, for fun:

http://farm4.static.flickr.com/3516/3314925658_de6e9025aa.jpg

Would this be irony? I, like most people, tend to screw that up. It's funny, that's for sure. If you don't see why, think about it for a minute. What's today's date, and what is this nice gentleman doing? Note I'm not bothering to make fun of the misspelling of "speech," because hey that can happen to anybody.

http://farm4.static.flickr.com/3543/3314052311_1ce00ba8fb.jpg

But Bush/Stevens/Hastert was cool? A one-party dictatorship is fine if it's your party? I know I didn't see her out with any signs a few years back. I saw a lot that seemed to suggest that (going back to that "nearly limitless deficit spending is okay" thing) this wasn't just about some people angry about taxes. I mean yeah, obviously they were but I think losing a couple elections had a lot to do with it as well. Limits on freedom of speech (have any even come about since November?) and ginormous deficit spending are only bad when guys you didn't vote for do it...or at least, only bad enough to break out the signs and protest when it's the wrong guys doing it.

And those are just a couple that were amusing (and there were plenty more). I'll leave the outright offensive ones alone. Especially since for the offensive ones, I expect to have at least a few idiots in every bunch.



Note that none of the above changes my mind about these demonstrations being a good thing. The freedom to peaceably assemble too often seems to be the domain of shiftless hippies and hate groups.



Also, I will almost certainly not reply to any posts in response to this in this thread (though I welcome you to respond), just to keep the politics from getting any thicker than they already are. If you want any back-and-forth on it, feel free to PM me.

JohnKSa
April 16, 2009, 12:37 AM
I think this is more of an L&CR topic than a handgun topic...

chemgirlie
April 16, 2009, 12:41 AM
Indeed, I certainly don't agree with every sign there, and there were some that reflected poorly on those holding them/their causes. I'm usually not the rally/protest type (unless you count the sort-of-annual zombie lurch which is totally politics-free).

sholling
April 16, 2009, 12:41 AM
I drove the 35 miles to the closest one and hung out for a bit but I'm not all that social and left after about 30 minutes. There were maybe 100 people.

JuanCarlos
April 16, 2009, 12:42 AM
So, first estimate I'm seeing that I'm inclined to believe puts turnout at about a quarter of a million.

That's actually pretty impressive, all things considered.

EDIT: That's just a "guess" (his own word) from Nate Silver, but I'm inclined to take a "guess" from Silver over any actual attempts at an estimate from MSNBC, CNN, or FOX. I doubt we'll ever get anything much better, given how many locations there were. Still, like I said, impressive.

sholling
April 16, 2009, 12:43 AM
Yeah and that one about bullets first surely reflects well on gun owners
Another brain damage idiot and poster moron for the Brady Bunch.

3 gun
April 16, 2009, 02:25 AM
Went to the Cleveland party. Strong turnout in not so great weather. Only problem I have with the "bullets first" sign is this was a tax rally. Had a few here talk about open carrying, I suggested they hold their own rally, hijacking someone elses is bad form.

alloy
April 16, 2009, 05:58 AM
Why does it matter who organized/started it? There was no FOX news or Nuge present. Out here in cattle/horse country...the UVA area we don't really care. It was small town, big turnout, regular people with regular concerns, and even a few vehement signs. Too bad the signs are offensive.:rolleyes:

johnwilliamson062
April 16, 2009, 08:25 AM
tea parties were not true grassroots movements
Who cares who organized it? Are there people who only associate themselves with grassroot movements? If you agreed you should have gone. The American Revolution was most certainly organized by community leaders, not random people with nothing better to do.

There were at least 4,000 in Columbus. 2,000 on the state house steps and at least another 2 on the lawn. The lawn was probably more like 4,000 but it was hard for me to tell how densely it was filled as I was down in the crowd.

I doubt Columbus' protest was all that large. The one in Cincinnati and Cleveland were supposed to be larger.

johnwilliamson062
April 16, 2009, 09:12 AM
so these tea party events are to express frustration with the current administration over a number of issues.
This isn't limited to the current administration. The last was way out of control with spending also. It is not limited to federal government. California is bankrupt and my state is not far behind.
The tax payers no longer control this country. The people living off the tax payers do and they will ride us into the ground.

Al Norris
April 16, 2009, 11:51 AM
Two posts were deleted because they were drive-by, political and off topic. Two posts were deleted because they were responses to the now deleted posts.

Thread merged with the original thread that was already in progress in L&CR, at the time JohnKSa moved it from the General Handgun forum.

orchidhunter
April 16, 2009, 12:56 PM
Conservatives are protesting because they are out of power. They aren't protesting spending; if they were, they would have taken to the streets years ago. orchidhunter

MrNiceGuy
April 16, 2009, 01:07 PM
Conservatives are protesting because they are out of power. They aren't protesting spending; if they were, they would have taken to the streets years ago. orchidhunter

conservatives havent been in power since the early 80's

I attended a few protests over bush's ridiculous refund, but in comparison... that was an anorexics monthly toilet paper bill compared to obama's spending. So I'm going to have to disagree with you here... sure, our government has been spending the money we the people dont have for some time now, but these last 4 months have pushed the practice of overspending to an all new level.

JuanCarlos
April 16, 2009, 01:21 PM
I'm just not a protest guy. I've found that pretty much any protest focused on a specific civil right tends to be a complete mess. Like, even if I agree with the the cause people are riled up about I'll swing by, see that it's a mix of people trying to piggyback for tangential issues, signs that make no logical sense, or absolute kooks I have no desire to associate with or risk implying any support for (often those last are a combination of the other two as well).

Just not my thing. Some of the rallies I've seen focused on specific civil rights are just as bad, but they at least seem to be better.

Te Anau
April 16, 2009, 03:53 PM
Yeah and that one about bullets first surely reflects well on gun owners
There's nothing wrong with letting people know where you stand.Should we also be ashamed of "The tree of Liberty must be refreshed from time to time with the blood of patriots and tyrants"?

MrNiceGuy
April 16, 2009, 04:06 PM
There's nothing wrong with letting people know where you stand.Should we also be ashamed of "The tree of Liberty must be refreshed from time to time with the blood of patriots and tyrants"?

Advocation of violence is nothing to be proud of.
Advocation of violence at a peaceful protest is abhorrent.

Trying to turn an anti-big spending rally into a forum for gun rights is both selfish and rude... it does nothing but damage all causes associated.

So yes, if you felt the need to start spewing that dribble at rally against big spending, you should be ashamed of yourself

homefires
April 16, 2009, 06:07 PM
I would love to see enough We The People stand up and tell the Guberment Enough is Enough! I just don't see it doing any good until you can find away to regain the country through Ballets. There are just too many takers then givers out there. As long a the takers keep voting in the ones taking yours and giving to them we loose.

huchahuchax
April 16, 2009, 06:19 PM
JuanCarlos wrote:

I'm wondering why there weren't TEA parties (gotta love the backronyms...wait, no you don't) on 15 April 2008, personally. I guess nearly limitless deficit spending was cool.

There wasn't one in 2008, but there was one in 2007. It was pretty much for the same reasons, and the participants were considered "wackos".

JuanCarlos
April 16, 2009, 06:28 PM
There wasn't one in 2008, but there was one in 2007. It was pretty much for the same reasons, and the participants were considered "wackos".

Ah. I may stand corrected. But then, how many attended in 2007?

huchahuchax
April 16, 2009, 07:01 PM
Oh hell, here is where I open the can of worms:
DISCLAIMER!!! I'M NOT PROMOTING RON PAUL, I'M SIMPLY RECOUNTING AN EVENT FROM THE PAST. That said...

The 2007 "Tea Party" was one of the Ron Paul money bombs. I'm not sure if it was on April 15th, but there were rallys all over the country, though attendance was not anything like what happened yesterday. The noteworthy part was the cyber aspect (the "money bomb"). I think it was his second money bomb, and he brought in over $1M online in a 24 hour period.

I just bring all this up because earlier today I had a laugh out loud moment while I was reading one of the right wing news blogs (HOTAIR or Ace of Spades). They had the CNN video of the female reporter at the Chicago tea party, trying to push the buttons of the biggest wacko she could find. Then they had another video of what happened after CNN cut their feed. A very calm and reasonable woman was questioning the reporter on why she had to find the craziest person in the crowd to interview? Finally the reporter asked the lady why she was there and she immediately started expressing her disagreements with the Federal Reserve. So here we had a left wing ideologue reporter, spouting conspiracy theories about FOX News, we had the paranoid guy, implying comparisons between Obama and Hitler, and the Ron Paul supporter acting as the voice of reason. Now that's entertainment!

jammin1237
April 16, 2009, 08:47 PM
i cant think of a worse place to bring a firearm, whenever politics or religion are up for rally or discussion things usually get over heated and the last thing anybody needs to do is "force feed their individual right on somebody else in a threatening manner, which is what i think most would "see" if they saw you armed in this situation"... in my opinion the 2nd amendment exists for singular personal defense and the ability of a society to ward off an oppressive totalitarian government ...firearms don't belong in debate, they belong in the lost cause of common sense reasoning....

JustDreadful
April 16, 2009, 11:08 PM
Yeah and that one about bullets first surely reflects well on gun owners

Much as it pains me, I have to agree. I didn't see any unfortunate gun references in Vegas (some gun references, but none wing-nut style).

Remember what a miscalculation it was when the "immigration reform" advocates marched a while back, holding signs that said things like "This is OUR country"? Those demonstrations sank the immigration legislation.

If the antis can paint us as wackos, a new gun ban becomes MUCH more likely.

My favorite sign, BTW, said "Give me liberty, don't give me debt." I thought that was clever.

Te Anau
April 17, 2009, 12:37 PM
Trying to turn an anti-big spending rally into a forum for gun rights is both selfish and rude... it does nothing but damage all causes associated.
The Tea Party I attended focused on taxes and the ridiculous size of government,but also had a healthy dose of the 1st,2nd & 10th amendments.

OuTcAsT
April 17, 2009, 09:50 PM
There wasn't one in 2008, but there was one in 2007. It was pretty much for the same reasons, and the participants were considered "wackos".

Ah. I may stand corrected. But then, how many attended in 2007?

The turnout in 2007 was, I am sure, quite a bit less than this year but the outrage was no where near the level it is now. People are tired of the years of oppression thru taxes, and loss of liberties. Sure, there are folks who attended these rallies for various reasons, but the underlying rage over a government that is totally out of control remains a constant.

I have been classified a terrorist because of several beliefs that I choose to cling to. "Astroturf" you say ? I believe what you smell is the collective pot of oppression about to boil over.

MrNiceGuy
April 17, 2009, 09:53 PM
The Tea Party I attended focused on taxes and the ridiculous size of government,but also had a healthy dose of the 1st,2nd & 10th amendments.

That is sad.

I believe that reason the tea parties were so quickly dismissed by everyone was because of the diluted reasoning behind them.

They started out as protest with a well defined purpose. They ended up being mostly anti government rallies and the message was lost along with the impact.

OuTcAsT
April 17, 2009, 10:12 PM
They ended up being mostly anti government rallies

I will have to disagree to a point. They were not "anti-government" so much as "Anti-Out -Of-Control-too damn big-Government".

MrNiceGuy
April 17, 2009, 10:30 PM
That's just arguing semantics.


There were too many causes being rallied against, all of them government caused and/or controlled.

Wildalaska
April 17, 2009, 10:31 PM
Should we also be ashamed of "The tree of Liberty must be refreshed from time to time with the blood of patriots and tyrants"?

LOL...read Lenins line below. Same same, just depends how you look at it:cool:



WildyourviolenceinoktheirsisntAlaska TM

Te Anau
April 18, 2009, 01:44 PM
LOL...read Lenins line below. Same same, just depends how you look at it
Thanks,but no thanks.I'll choose to believe that our founding fathers were much wiser than any of us here and had a much better plan for America than 99.9% of people alive today.You go ahead and laugh out loud for me.I'll choose to show respect.

Brian Pfleuger
April 18, 2009, 01:49 PM
They started out as protest with a well defined purpose. They ended up being mostly anti government rallies and the message was lost along with the impact.

If the purpose of the TEA parties was nothing beyond the rallies we saw last week then they would have no impact regardless of the reasoning.

The TEA parties and the associated 912 project must become a solid movement of regular people who are tired of the abuses of government power. Whether it be gun control, activist judges or being ignored by those who are supposed to represent us. If it's nothing more than a one day rally then it carries no weight, regardless.

Te Anau
April 18, 2009, 02:01 PM
The TEA parties and the associated 912 project must become a solid movement of regular people who are tired of the abuses of government power. Whether it be gun control, activist judges or being ignored by those who are supposed to represent us. If it's nothing more than a one day rally then it carries no weight, regardless.
Bingo! It was more of a freedom rally than anything else as far as I'm concerned.

MrNiceGuy
April 18, 2009, 05:14 PM
Bingo! It was more of a freedom rally than anything else as far as I'm concerned.

And selfish attitudes like that are precisely why it wont accomplish jack, didly, nor scat. ;)
A freedom rally is only an expression of the freedoms you already have. You make no headway wallowing in your own footsteps.


And if nothing is accomplished, then the tea parties were nothing but a bunch of people taking the day off, hanging out, and whining inaudibly.

The tea parties transformed from a movement with a clearly defined goal to a group of whiners that dont like government.... And as a group of anti government whiners, you will accomplish nothing.... no matter how often you whine

If the purpose of the TEA parties was nothing beyond the rallies we saw last week then they would have no impact regardless of the reasoning.

The purpose of the tea parties have been stretched, skewed, and divided... and as a result, nothing will ever come of them.
The very manner in which the parties were conducted assure that they and their nondescript causes will have no impact.

JustDreadful
April 18, 2009, 06:50 PM
LOL...read Lenins line below. Same same, just depends how you look at it

So you're a Loyalist?

Wildalaska
April 18, 2009, 07:05 PM
So you're a Loyalist?

Huh?:confused:

WildwhateverdoyoumeanAlaska ™

OuTcAsT
April 18, 2009, 07:15 PM
That's just arguing semantics.

I beg to differ, There is a HUGE gap between the two.

I did not see anyone who was "Anti-Government" I saw nobody who advocated anarchy, ( That would be the term for Anti-Government ) and I honestly did not get the feeling at the rally I attended that anyone was advocating that government should be abolished. What I did see and hear was that people are tired of the policies that our government has shoved down our throats. Government is necessary for us to function as a nation, however the manner in which it is administered is the reason for all the angst.

Lot's of people are now trying to find better alternative fuels for automoblies because they are not happy with the price of fuel, environmental impact, oil dependency etc. would you refer to these people as "Anti-Car"? I think not.
They are not concerned with the vehicle as much as how efficiently it runs.

MrNiceGuy
April 18, 2009, 07:28 PM
you're taking semantics to a whole new level.


Lot's of people are now trying to find better alternative fuels for automoblies because they are not happy with the price of fuel, environmental impact, oil dependency etc. would you refer to these people as "Anti-Car"? I think not.
They are not concerned with the vehicle as much as how efficiently it runs.

you're right... with that focused goal, they are not anti car.
like when the tea parties were focused on over spending and taxation, I did not consider them anti government.

but if they were as distracted as the tea partiers, it would closer equate to people who were anti gasoline, anti tire, anti paint, anti battery, anti mining, anti assembly, anti dealership, anti corporation... and in that case, despite being "pro transportation" I'd still consider them anti-car... just as I still consider this failed excuse for a movement to be anti government.

Just because you are "anti" doesnt mean you dont want the opposition to exist.
Just as in the last superbowl, the steeler fans were anti cardinals and vice versa. It doesnt mean they wanted the other team to cease to exist, only that they did not want the opposing team to succeed in their goals.

huchahuchax
April 18, 2009, 07:54 PM
I love how nobody knows what this thing is. Either that, or they simply aren't willing to say. A quarter of a million people got together to bash the Democrats AND the Republicans. Janeane Garofalo calls it racism - I call it a third party.

MBRinTN
April 18, 2009, 07:58 PM
If by "Loyalist," you mean a person who is loyal to his or her country, than yes I am a loyalist, and proud of it. You don't like the policies being "Forced down our throats?" Vote for the candidate of your choice. A significant majority of people in this country decided it was time for a change. That is called democracy.

huchahuchax
April 18, 2009, 07:59 PM
I call it a third party

HA! They should call it the TEA party.

dm1333
April 18, 2009, 09:25 PM
Personally, I think it would be a very bad idea... For no other reason than the fact that some of these types of events tend to turn violent. Not to say that these will, but the possibility exists. I would tread carefully at any/all events like these, whether carrying or not, if I were to decide to go at all...

So, because "some of these events tend to turn violent" the OP should not open carry? Why, exactly? Not that any of these were violent, BTW.