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bwheasler
April 13, 2009, 02:21 PM
At one time I saw a drop in Timmey trigger assembly for an 870 in a Brownell's catalog. The new catalog does not seem to have it. Anybody know where I could get one or if they even still make it?

zippy13
April 13, 2009, 02:48 PM
Timney no longer shows 870 triggers in their catalog. But, you never know, they might have one or two in the back room. You may be having trouble finding them on-line because you're misspelling Timney. There are plenty of folks who rebuild 870 triggers or adjust them. Are you wanting your trigger for target or tactical?

www.timneytriggers.com

Good luck,
Pete

bwheasler
April 13, 2009, 04:47 PM
A 4to 6 lb pull would be sweet. I am used to the hard crisp trigger, but I can't help to think the lighter pull would tighten my groups.

zippy13
April 13, 2009, 06:02 PM
^A 4 to 6 lb pull would be sweet.
Oops... I just checked: Stu Wright was selling out the last of the Timneys; too bad, the very last one went just 2-weeks ago. There's a Timney on eBay for a Mauser, perhaps an 870 may turn up.
There are several trigger specialists who can do a custom trigger job on a 870 that will give you a nice 4 - 6 pound trigger. Check with the local trap shooters for someone in your area. Brownells has the stuff for anyone wanting to work on their own triggers; but, if you don't understand the physic's of a trigger mechanism, then it is best left to someone who knows and understands their working for a reliable safe trigger.
Something that may give you some relief is a small bit of sear lube. I keep a 0.2-oz tube of GunslicK anhydrous graphite (about $2) that I use only on sears. The stuff will get black all over everything if you're not really careful.

BigJimP
April 13, 2009, 06:57 PM
Oh come on Zippy - a good bastard file, some vice grips and a hammer is all you need ......


( just kidding ..):D

zippy13
April 13, 2009, 09:19 PM
Hey Big Jim, you don't know how close to the truth you speak. I did a home brewed trigger job on my Colt AR about six months ago, and still haven't taken it to the range for a test. And, NO, the first time won't be with a full mag -- with an AW number on it, I'm careful where and how I shoot it in California.
I've put trigger spring kits in many of my pistols and revolvers with satisfactory results. A Volquartsen trigger, sear and hammer kit turned my old Ruger target pistol into a sweet shooter. Thus far, the O/Us retain their factory triggers.

Pete

BigJimP
April 14, 2009, 10:06 AM
Honestly,

I don't mess with my triggers - on handguns I leave that to Wilson Combat / shotguns I send them to Briley - but I haven't had to do anything on most of my handguns or shotguns.

I do have one handgun with an adjustable trigger / Sig X-Five / and its an interesting concept ( adjustable from about 2 - 4 lbs ).

zippy13
April 14, 2009, 01:15 PM
Big Jim, I know you understand trigger fundamentals, but many of the forum's 870 owners lack your experience. And, since bwheasler can't be the only one with a heavy 870 trigger, here's a brief intro:

A simple spring change can do wonders for trigger pull reduction. Since they also reduce hammer strike energy, they're okay for target guns; however, questionable for tactical and hunting guns. Spring kits like the "Patriot" are available at on-line auction sites for 870-1100-1187s ($8-10), but I prefer kits by Wolff (for a few more dollars). Conversely, there are hunting/tactical spring kits to increase hammer strike. It must be remembered, spring kits do nothing to improve/correct sear surfaces and angles -- they can't smooth-out and crisp-up a rough and sloppy trigger -- they just change the pull weight and consequently the hammer fall energy.

Other kits that change the geometry and/or reduce the inertia of the elements are more involved and include pre-mated sear surfaces. Many drop-in hammer/sear/spring kits are available for 1911 pistols. If you can disassemble a 1911, you can upgrade the trigger. This is possible because most 1911s have a nearly identical hammer and sear orientation within the frame. With other guns, there may be too much variation between individuals to have pre-mated surfaces, and hand fitting is required. So, there are no drop-in kits for these models. It's in the individual cutting of the sear engagement surfaces that junk triggers are made fine and vice-versa.

I've not seen a drop-in kit for an 870 (but, I haven't been looking very hard). Brownells has the "Accuracy Speaks" 870 system for over $100 and recommends gunsmith installation. Remember, something that requires a proper fit can, just as easily, be miss-fit. There are capable smiths who'll do a complete 870 trigger job for less than $100. With trigger work, you're not buying parts as much as the time required to accurately surface and modify the existing ones. My limited experience with custom shop Remingtons indicates that they can have nice triggers. Perhaps our resident 870 gurus can recommend individual trigger tuners.

Pete

bwheasler
April 14, 2009, 03:12 PM
Very informative. I'm slug hunter to the core. So if a lighter trigger, by changing hammer spring would in any way reduce the chance of 100% ammo ignition I would have to pass. I mean I been living with the same old trigger for 30 years,but that doesn't mean there is not something better. I've pinned the barrel,polished the action, install 2.5x10x56mm Pentax scope. A new trigger might be nice. I will keep seaching the web.

zippy13
April 15, 2009, 12:45 AM
^You're most welcome.
With all the changes you've made to your dedicated slug gun, a full trigger job (as opposed to a spring kit) seems reasonable. A good trigger guy can get a lighter pull that's smooth and crisp with a faster lock time that's reliable by re-working stock parts. For a slugster, I think a faster lock time is probably the best aspect. Until then, a good cleaning and a little sear lube won't hurt.

BigJimP
April 15, 2009, 11:39 AM
Not that others don't do good work - but I've fired one 870 that had been completely re-worked by Wilson Combat - and I thought it had a very good trigger in it. I think the re-work they do on a customer supplied Remington 870 is about $ 300 and I know it includes a new trigger and some magazine modifications. Of course for extra money - they'll put on an Armor Tuff finish etc ...or do virtually whatever you want.

bwheasler
April 15, 2009, 12:51 PM
I'll give them a call. My local gunsmith would also probably be a good bet.