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warnerwh
April 10, 2009, 10:30 PM
ABC has wasted a lot of air time.

http://www.politicususa.com/en/Obama-Assault-Weapons-Ban

Looks like the anti's big push right now is going no where, at least I hope.

Bud Helms
April 10, 2009, 10:38 PM
Oh. I feel so much better.

Remember, one of the anti's favorite tactics is lying.

An interesting answer he gave though.

Nnobby45
April 10, 2009, 10:44 PM
Remember, one of the anti's favorite tactics is lying.


Sometimes it's a tactic. The rest of the time, where their political agenda is concerned, it's just a context they operate out that's as natural to them as air to the bird, or water to the fish.

flippycat
April 10, 2009, 10:48 PM
exactly...law abiding owners all are in the guard position when it comes to this..only way to get some jabs in is to have us lower our gloves a little.

warnerwh
April 10, 2009, 10:52 PM
They're not going away but the momentum they were trying to build up has been a waste of their time as well as ABC's airtime. I'm glad they hit a wall and I'm sure many of them are ****** off right now.

darrentxs
April 10, 2009, 11:25 PM
Good news! (for now)

Bart Noir
April 11, 2009, 02:09 AM
Hooray!

Now I'll be able to find ammo for sale.


Bart Noir

azsixshooter
April 11, 2009, 03:04 AM
Don't ever let your guard down. Especially when we are playing for keeps. I thought this was a revealing piece about how shifty the enemy can be:

http://www.americanthinker.com/2008/01/obamas_alinsky_jujitsu.html

skeeter
April 11, 2009, 04:01 AM
Obama said he would never drop his support and relationship with the Rev. Wright - remember that? When the time was right that is just what he did.
Just look at his record - actions speak louder than words. He is just waiting for us to go to sleep.

Really, wake up!!!

Big J
April 11, 2009, 08:08 AM
Just read it, great info. Good post azsixshooter.

http://www.americanthinker.com/2008/...y_jujitsu.html

ritepath
April 11, 2009, 08:20 AM
we'll see what eric has to say about this...

dropthehammer
April 11, 2009, 08:23 AM
Was there any mention of ammo/gun taxes or regulation?????????????

Mike Irwin
April 11, 2009, 09:41 AM
Politics, which doesn't fit in the General Discussion Forum.

Moving to Law and Civil Rights.

ThorntonMelon
April 11, 2009, 10:09 AM
There is nothing "good" about this news. Pelosi and Holder will push for registration instead. They're just abandoning one plan for another. They know that the political will for a new AWB isn't there, so they are trying something else. The registration scheme that they want will encompass ALL firearms, not just the dreaded "evil black rifles". They will advertise this as a "compromise". But the gun grabbers DO NOT compromise, the incrementalize.

"You see? We respect the 2A, we're not talking about "bans" anymore, just tell us exactly what guns you have and where they all are, and that's it...we'll stop. We promise."

It's just a precursor to confiscation, cloaked in the BS of "compromise" and "common sense". They love those terms. Once this gets rammed through Congress we can all look forward to begging the Feds for permission to keep Dad's old 12 gauge that we've got hanging on the wall in the den. How good will this news look then?

Heepstress
April 11, 2009, 10:26 AM
They don't have to reinstate the "assault" weapons ban (they're REALLY tactical weapons...one of my big pet peeves). The ANTIs are already working on those "other strategies" - microstamping, powder tracing, regulated ammo sales, etc. - and the one making the most impact right now - scare tactics that make our fine hobby outrageously expensive to enjoy.

Trouble is, with all the recent shootings in the news, the ANTIs really don't hafta do much to swing the general US populous toward tighter/stricter gun control. Desperate times / desperate measures are running rampant.

FLJim
April 11, 2009, 10:46 AM
Trouble is, with all the recent shootings in the news, the ANTIs really don't hafta do much to swing the general US populous toward tighter/stricter gun control. Desperate times / desperate measures are running rampant.Thing is: That cuts both ways. Desperate times provoke people into providing for their own defense. The recent demand for guns and ammo isn't all from people that used to be gun-owners. A lot of it is people newly-purchasing the stuff. A recent Gallup poll indicated public support for gun control is lower than ever.

hogdogs
April 11, 2009, 10:52 AM
Assault? Tactical? All devices used in defense or offense or meat gathering is "TACTICAL"!
If a person has no intended tactic for defense, offense or hunting they will go unsuccessful!

Tactical...
adj.

1. Of, relating to, or using tactics.
2.
1. Of, relating to, used in, or involving military or naval operations that are smaller, closer to base, and of less long-term significance than strategic operations.
2. Carried out in support of military or naval operations: tactical bombing.
3. Characterized by adroitness, ingenuity, or skill.

adroitness
adroit
Pronunciation:
\ə-ˈdrȯit\
Function:
adjective
Etymology:
French, from Old French, from a- (from Latin ad-) + droit right, droit
Date:
1652

: having or showing skill, cleverness, or resourcefulness in handling situations <an adroit leader> <adroit maneuvers>

But this is neither here nor there... I won't believe a politician! Heck they believe their own spin so bad they could pass a lie detector test. And they likely do shots of sodium pentothal like I do of unaged corn liquor!
Brent

chris in va
April 11, 2009, 01:38 PM
Is it just me, or does the press secretary come across as not forceful enough when talking with reporters? Lots of "ah" and "um", looking down at the ground half the time.

#18indycolts
April 11, 2009, 02:01 PM
Remember, one of the anti's favorite tactics is lying.


not just the anti's...but ALL politicians.

OJ
April 11, 2009, 02:27 PM
Quote:
Remember, one of the anti's favorite tactics is lying.

not just the anti's...but ALL politicians.

Remember how you can tell if a politician is lying - "his/her lips are moving"

Keep in mind that our gun rights are at risk to be revoked just like the butcher cuts up a large salami - one small slice at a time

:rolleyes:

a7mmnut
April 11, 2009, 02:31 PM
Is that one website's view of an entire political party's historical past?

OMG, 7 :eek:

Huskerguy
April 11, 2009, 02:31 PM
This is political speak. He is saying "I want to attack this problem in a different way." He means, "I really know what I want to do, get rid of all guns." He wants everyone to think he is going to try this approach and after a while will come back and say, "geez, we tried everything and the only solution left is to ban guns."

ThorntonMelon
April 11, 2009, 03:08 PM
Thing is: That cuts both ways. Desperate times provoke people into providing for their own defense. The recent demand for guns and ammo isn't all from people that used to be gun-owners. A lot of it is people newly-purchasing the stuff. A recent Gallup poll indicated public support for gun control is lower than ever.

Support or no, ultimately it won't matter. The Dems control everything but the Supreme Court. And they're just one heart attack, stroke, or new tumor away from controlling that too. What kind of replacement do you think Obama will stick in there if the wrong one drops dead or retires? They'll package and sell their registration scheme to the public just like every other gun control measure that has ever been made law. And, like Romans at the Coliseum, the masses will cheer them for it.

The average American wants the gov't to do everything for them...we've created a culture of entitlement. And, as absurd as it is, the biggest thing that everyone seems to think they're entitled to is safety. We beg for it. Safer cars, safer medicine bottles, and the pills that go in them. Safer this and safer that. No one will lift a finger themselves, they'll just scream about it until some "savior" with an expensive suit, a smile, a teleprompter, and most importantly a personal agenda, stands up and says..."I will provide the safety that you seek." They never deliver, because it's impossible, but that is irrelevant. The promise alone is enough to satisfy the typical voter. Results don't matter as long as everyone feels better.

Hkmp5sd
April 11, 2009, 03:23 PM
Pelosi and Holder will push for registration instead.

Pelosi has also shot down re-instating the ban. I don't think there were will be any new gun legislation, other than the supposed "Gun Show Loophole", passed until Obama makes his second term. Right now, the only thing they care about is votes.

Chipperman
April 11, 2009, 03:25 PM
Results don't matter as long as everyone feels better.

Because it's much more important to FEEL safe than to actually BE safe. :barf:

PoorSoulInJersey
April 11, 2009, 03:32 PM
Because it's much more important to FEEL safe than to actually BE safe.

funny. that's the same discussion going on under the Thread about why there is so much marketing for defense products these days....

Heepstress
April 11, 2009, 03:32 PM
Assault? Tactical? All devices used in defense or offense or meat gathering is "TACTICAL"!
If a person has no intended tactic for defense, offense or hunting they will go unsuccessful!

Hotdogs, you have a good point. My personal reason for despising the term "assault weapon" instead of "tactical weapon" is the uneducated fear the ANTIs invoke with the word "assault". Is a firearm necessarily an assault weapon? Only when it's used for an assault. My tactic is to shoot it for fun, practice and self defense (hopefully not needed).

Jofaba
April 11, 2009, 03:51 PM
May I shine a big bright light here?

This is VERY good news. Look at the way the anti-gun talking heads are wording their responses. They are afraid of a repeat of the Clinton era reaction to the AWB, and they simply cannot afford that right now with everything on their plate. They cannot afford to lose control when most of what they're starting is going to take so long to come to fruition.

This gives us nearly 4 years to change the general public's opinion about gun control. This gives us nearly 4 years to make the term "assault weapon" meaningless, and educate them on the meaning of "semi automatic".

This is GOOD NEWS EVERBODY! It shows us that there is a core fear in approaching this situation. It shows us that the rhetoric that they so careless tossed around before is now being met with a huge brick wall of opposition.

Most of us are aggravated at how long it takes for an ordered gun to come in, and at how bare the shelves are of ammo, and even how hard reloading supplies are... THIS IS ALL GOOD NEWS, especially when combined with these statements. Watch the body language, watch their words, they are nervous about answering, and no where near acting. This means people who never owned a firearm previously is now joining our ranks. From the casual .22 father and son first timers to those like myself who have only recently entered the fold. The unavailability hints at an explosion of new gun owners. I point mostly to the recently high prices of .22 ammo and unavailability, as most new gun owners tend to start with the smaller,less scary calibers. Father and son stuff. It's aggravating personally, but very good news generally.

We have 4 years to change the tidal opinion, to open their eyes, to make it make sense to those who are completely removed from the concept.

And when I say them I do not mean Democrats, and when I say 4 years I do not mean ousting Obama. "Them" and "4 years" are our targets of education. I personally would like to see Obama have a second term, one that's influenced by the education he's received from conservatives and one that finds him with a new respect for the 2nd amendment. That's not said to stir controversy. I personally believe that any president, from either side, that is essentially fired by the people hurts America. I think that we can influence those that are out to hurt our rights, and if we cant, then we can invalidate their arguments.

4 years people. This can be done.

ISC
April 11, 2009, 07:17 PM
Acyually, we have more like 2 years. By April, 2001, the candidates for 2012 will be pretty much chosen. It's a forgone conclusion that Obama will get the Dem. nomination. There's no way that a radical socialist like Obama is going to suddenly embrace the 2nd amendment. It's more likely that He'll go in the other direction of new limits on gun and ammo sales and purchases. The Republican choice for their chosen candidate will play a huge role in whether or not an independent candidate has any traction.

I think that any push for new anti gun legislation will originate in the congress, and it won't happen until after the midterm elections, if it happens at all.

The last time the Dems pushed anti gun legislation the Republicans used it as a wedge issue to take control of the House and Senate. They maintained that control for 10 years until the Republican leadership squandered it by falling prey to the greed and avarice that they campaigned against in 1994.

In 1994 the Rep had Newt Gingrich leading the charge with ideas and an articulate vision. Niether party has that now and it has left a political vacuum. If the Reps can't stand FOR something soon, they will leave a huge opportunity for a 3rd party to fill that vacuum.

obxned
April 11, 2009, 10:23 PM
How can you tell if a politician is lying? His lips are moving.

I don't trust him, and neither should you.

ThorntonMelon
April 12, 2009, 12:08 AM
Pelosi has also shot down re-instating the ban. I don't think there were will be any new gun legislation, other than the supposed "Gun Show Loophole", passed until Obama makes his second term. Right now, the only thing they care about is votes.


The woman went on ABC 4 days ago and announced "We want registration"...among other less than favorable firearms related restrictions. They're laying the groundwork right now...and they ain't gonna wait another 4 years to act on it.

LaBulldog
April 12, 2009, 12:12 AM
If found a recent documentary on the Battle of the Bulge interesting. It talked about a new rifle the Germans were issued. It was the M44, called by Hitler Sturngewehr. The term assault rifle is a translation of the German word Sturmgewehr (literally meaning "storm rifle"), "storm" used as a verb being synonymous with assault, as in "to storm the compound".The Maschinenpistole 44, subsequently re-christened Sturmgewehr 44, the firearm generally is considered the first true assault rifle that served to popularize the concept.

Assault weapon is an American term generally used to describe weapons that look like military rifles with selectors that allow it to shoot fully automatic.

ISC
April 12, 2009, 12:25 AM
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JustDreadful
April 12, 2009, 01:10 AM
I also think this is good news. And remember Obama insisting during his campaign that he won't go after anyone's guns?

This is no reason for us to relax, let down our guard, stop paying meticulous attention. But the bad guys think they have to convince people they're not anti-gun. They're lying, of course, and they might claim that they're supporting some anti-gun legislation down the road regretfully, ruefully, sorrowfully, they never wanted it to come to this, but what choice did they have? It's for the children...

But the fact that they have to make the right noises shows where the issue stands.

Bartholomew Roberts
April 13, 2009, 08:56 AM
They're laying the groundwork right now...and they ain't gonna wait another 4 years to act on it.

I don't know about that. Right now they don't have the votes unless the House and Senate leadership make it a priority and start twisting arms. If they do that, they are almost guaranteed to lose seats in the midterm elections and it still isn't all that clear they would get the votes they need - especially since the current Senate leadership needs NRA support in Nevada.

From a practical standpoint, it looks like the Dems can't do anything until after the midterm elections (and that assumes the midterms go their way). If that is the case, then the earliest they can even get started on legislation is February 2011. At that point, we're basically already in to the 2012 campaign.

Here is another little factoid to consider - Ohio, Florida and Pennsylvania remain the key states to winning the national election. Pennsylvania has the highest per-capita NRA membership of any state in the Union. Ohio and Florida both have significant gun owner contingents as well. Obama picked up 37% of the gunowner vote in 2008 according to what I've read. Past unsuccessful Democratic candidates have done more like 31-33%.

I can't read the minds of the Democratic Party; but based on what I've seen, I am skeptical they will want to make gun control an issue that close to the 2012 elections and that will be the earliest practical opportunity they have to do it.

Of course, all of this assumes that gun owners stay active and vigilant and continue to write their Representatives and Senators and let them know their feelings. If we get apathetic or lazy, that situation can change pretty fast; but we have the power we need to stop any new gun control. Gun owners in Nevada or those who have Democratic Representatives who signed the Anti-AWB letter are especially helpful. Every one of your letters has about ten times the effect a letter to my Congresscritters would.

skydiver3346
April 13, 2009, 09:08 AM
They are just putting it on the back burner for now. It will rear its ugly head again before long as this particular subject will always be a pet project for the antis.

p.s. The good part is: Will ammo maybe be a little easier to obtain from
now on?

Kreyzhorse
April 13, 2009, 10:37 AM
I'm not sure that this is either good news or bad news. I think all it really means is that the battlelines are still drawn and both sides are still dug in. Perhaps this maybe a truce, for now, but both sides will still be watchful.

Glenn E. Meyer
April 13, 2009, 11:27 AM
One hope is that with a period of inactivity - the battle lines pull back into fringe groups. The general public or the middle will accept the status quo and not want to engage in a culture war over something that seems to make no difference.

Not to start a war about the topic itself but I heard a right wing commentator having a major hissy about the states' that recently legalized gay marriage. He was terribly annoyed that there wasn't major uproar.

The host said that folks have looked at the issue and don't care anymore, there are other things to do. Maybe they don't like it personally but don't see it as an issue worth debate.

A period of inaction on the AWB may be the same phenomenon. Oh, here comes a fringe group ranting. The major players in the political organization don't want to open that can of worms and a once hot button issue fades except for the encapsulated fringe group on their own encapsulated media.

That's a hope, at least.

Yellowfin
April 13, 2009, 03:20 PM
They're just playing possum, to put it simply. They have absolutely no less desire to do it; they know that now they'll just be sneaky about it.

alloy
April 13, 2009, 03:29 PM
"Other strategies"

I'll sleep better tonight since they have obviously become straightforward now that the bank situation is cured.

JustDreadful
April 14, 2009, 01:17 AM
Gun owners in Nevada or those who have Democratic Representatives who signed the Anti-AWB letter are especially helpful.

Woo hoo!

You may touch my sleeve...

USAFNoDak
April 14, 2009, 08:59 AM
With recent polls showing a sizeable majority of Americans rejecting new gun control laws in favor of enforcement of existing ones, the anti gun rights folks are temporarily short on ammo. They will need more media reactions to shootings and more reports on how easy it is to get guns at gun shows, etc. to resupply their ammo dumps. They will have to battle on other fronts, such as the economy, banking issues, auto industry issues, somali pirates, etc. for the time being. If those other fires become controlled or die down on their own, the anti gunners will turn their attention to more gun control. It's not so much a matter of "if" as it is a matter of "when". Carolyn McCarthy stated that when she brought the issue up to team obama, she was told not now, that's for later. How much later and how much effort will be employed to attack gun rights? We must stay on alert, at least at the orange level. Keep writing, emailing and calling your congress folks. Keep the pressure on them to stay away from our rights, rather than letting them pressure us to give up some of our rights in order for the blissninnies to "feel" safer.

johnwilliamson062
April 16, 2009, 09:36 PM
http://www.nytimes.com/2009/04/17/world/americas/17prexy.html?partner=rss&emc=rss
He is obviously going to push for one whenever he thinks he has a chance. If it crosses his desk I am sure he will sign it.

PoorSoulInJersey
April 16, 2009, 09:39 PM
I guess he really wants to be a single termer....

Chesster
April 16, 2009, 10:36 PM
Check is in the mail.
I'll still respect you.
I'm from the Government and I'm here to help.

Tom Servo
April 16, 2009, 10:52 PM
He is obviously going to push for one whenever he thinks he has a chance. If it crosses his desk I am sure he will sign it.
Eric Holder, talking to Katie Couric last week:
I don’t think it has and in fact, I look forward to working with the NRA to come up with ways in which we can use common-sense approaches to reduce the level of violence that we see in our streets and make the American people as safe as they can possibly be. (...) These are issues that we’ll have to discuss. The president will be the one who will ultimately set policy — things that are politically saleable and things that will ultimately be effective.
Robert Gibbs, in Thursday's press briefing:
I think the President is looking for a coordinated strategy to deal with violence. (...) I was asked specifically about assault weapons. I think the President would — the President believes particularly that there are other strategies that we can take to enforce the laws that are already on our books
Holder's now talking about working with the NRA, who, no matter what you think of their actions in the 1990s, will not concede another AWB. Gibbs' bit about "enforcing laws already on the books" takes another page directly from NRA literature.

They've realized that the NRA, along with a sizeable pro-2A contingent of the Democratic party, can sink them. Would they love to have another ban? Sure. Do they think they can get it? No.

Never hurts to keep your ear to the ground, but I don't see any chance of another ban even making it out of committee.

JWT
April 17, 2009, 12:02 AM
I've heard and read the words but am still a skeptic. The anti gun history of the president and a large number of his staff don't make it very easy to believe they won't pursure additional gun laws when they see an opportunity.

JuanCarlos
April 17, 2009, 12:17 AM
I've heard and read the words but am still a skeptic. The anti gun history of the president and a large number of his staff don't make it very easy to believe they won't pursure additional gun laws when they see an opportunity.

But that opportunity won't be until at least 2013. I doubt he or anybody on his staff wants a return to "win the northeast and west coast and fight desperately for Ohio or Florida" campaign paradigm, which is exactly what they'd be facing if he signs anything substantial before November of 2012.

It's posturing time right now...you're going to see the usual stances from the usual suspects calling for the usual measures, as well as maybe some lukewarm lip service from the White House. But I'd put good money down that nothing significant passes for at least four years. Maybe not even for eight...I'm sure they'd like a shot at keeping the White House for more than one administration, assuming a win in 2012.

Supreme Court appointments are the issue for the foreseeable future. Our primary concern is probably the risk of a bench stacked in favor of gun control...no so much because it might allow for increased federal gun control (again, even a SCOTUS ruling won't eliminate the political fallout that would cause) but because it would allow continued/increased infringement at the state/local level.

EDIT: None of the above is to imply that we should hit the showers and call it good for a while. We still need to remind our elected representatives of these realities from time to time, or they will forget.

chemgirlie
April 17, 2009, 01:08 AM
One of the options on Babelfish ought to be "English to Lawyerese" and its inverse.

Piper Cub
April 17, 2009, 05:34 AM
Us who voted for Obama all feel better now that he will never bring back the AWB!!!!

Ed K
April 17, 2009, 05:49 AM
For you belivers I have a bridge fof sale in Brooklyn, and some beachfront property in New Mexico Thats free of illegals.

Jofaba
April 17, 2009, 06:15 AM
There is still a lot that can be done with existing laws. My mind jumps straight to 922r compliance and how they can bring out the hammer of inspection and get a lot of "assault weapons" off the market and the streets because of red tape.

vranasaurus
April 17, 2009, 06:24 AM
Something to consider. The party in the whitehouse has lost seats in just about every midterm election. Those currently in power don't want to do anything to make it worse than it is already likely to be.

Those in power are not currently pushing new gun control. This has absolutely nothing to do with some new found belief in gun rights and everything to do with a desire to stay in power.

Sigma 40 Blaster
April 17, 2009, 06:49 AM
I watched the video, I didn't like the way the guy was stuttering his answer. Not believable, definitely the worst WH speaker I have ever seen. The guy from the TV show "Lie to Me" would have a field day analyzing this video. It's too late for all that after two or three high level officials have called for tighter gun control so our neighbor to the south can be safer from our evil.

A couple of years ago I didn't see the harm in gun registration but now I can see if you couple registration with just one or two elements from the "new AWB" we've all read there are some troubling possibilities. Also I can see how that could lead to the micro-stamping or other forms of ammo control.

And I don't think those two possibilities are paranoia...it's just a logical progression based on "Hey, we're registering and tracking guns already. Doing the same for ammo should be no big deal".

Jofaba
April 17, 2009, 06:53 AM
When he said ammo tracing my eyes popped. He didn't really elaborate, but the submitted legislation that I've seen is so obviously a start up company trying to force the country to use it's product, and a very defective product at that.

waterdog89
April 17, 2009, 07:10 AM
Well dont you feel trusting in Obama now, after all I sure the "messiah" has never lied before. NOT!:barf:

Bartholomew Roberts
April 17, 2009, 07:39 AM
First, you need to know the context of the remarks. Obama was visiting Mexico. Mexico complains about U.S. guns, not because it is a sizable crime problem; but because it is a lever to ask for more money out of the U.S. government.

Second, I have no doubts Obama will sign an AWB if it crosses his desk. The question is whether he would push for one; because without serious arm twisting from the Democratic leadership (to include the President), an AWB will never cross his desk. Even with serious arm-twisting, it isn't clear that one would cross his desk, so that is a big political risk to take.

Third, Obama did remark that he would like to adopt a 1997 weapons treaty that President Clinton proposed but that the Senate refused to ratify. I think we need to find that treaty and see what is in it - if Obama wants to pass gun laws, this is a very stealth way to do it - and even better, it only requires a vote in the Senate so it would be easier to pass. We definitely need to find out what is in that treaty and get vocal on that.

As far as a renewal of the federal AWB, I just don't see it happening this term. They don't have the votes right now and won't have until Feberuary 2011 at the earliest (unless they want to make it a major effort and they have too many other projects ahead of it). If they wait that long, it is campaign time already and Ohio, Florida and PA are still the critical states to win.

#18indycolts
April 17, 2009, 07:46 AM
I guess he really wants to be a single termer....

He probably will be anyway, if George W.'s wonderful economy legacy doesn't change under Obama's, he most certainly will.

Musketeer
April 17, 2009, 09:06 AM
The treaty is the key. Ratify it in the Senate and it becomes law. Arguably it may even supersede the COTUS. I believe that treaty was rife with taxes and total registration. No bans, just tax the weapons out of our hands with no grandfather clause. I don't recall all the treaty details and can easily be wrong but the NRA needs to dig into this now.

Bartholomew Roberts
April 17, 2009, 09:17 AM
Arguably it may even supersede the COTUS.

Treaties may not override the Constitution of the United States - see Reid v. Covert (http://www.law.cornell.edu/supct/html/historics/USSC_CR_0354_0001_ZO.html), 345 U.S. 1, 15-17 (1957).

Bartholomew Roberts
April 17, 2009, 09:21 AM
Well dont you feel trusting in Obama now, after all I sure the "messiah" has never lied before.

First, I don't think anybody here is saying that Obama does not want a new AWB. Given that he has stated he wants one on his website, I think we all believe that he does in fact want one.

The question isn't whether or not we believe Obama, it is whether or not they can practically achieve that goal. Right now, it looks like the answer to that is "No."*

*Of course, this assumes gun owners continue to actively communicate with their Congresscritters and do not get lazy or apathetic about it.

ISC
April 17, 2009, 09:34 AM
There won't be any sort of ban until AFTER a mandatory firearms registration is passed. It's in the playbook.

Glenn E. Meyer
April 17, 2009, 09:44 AM
Folks, we only need one Obama/AWB thread - so I merged them.

Glenn

swman
April 17, 2009, 10:06 AM
First, you need to know the context of the remarks. Obama was visiting Mexico. Mexico complains about U.S. guns, not because it is a sizable crime problem; but because it is a lever to ask for more money out of the U.S. government.

Bingo! The situation between the U.S. and Mexico is thus: Mexico wants their illegals to send billions of $$$ back to her; drugs go north and more billions of $$$ come back to Mexico. Where things got bad was that as long as corruption along the border and among the government officials was kept "within reason" everything was okay. But, the Mexican feds allowed things to get too out of hand, and the cartels really started pushing them around. I think its gotten to the point were Calderon needs American intervention but, for Mexican national pride and internal political reasons, hoped that by blaming the U.S. for Mexico's problems, and Obama being Obama, he'd get U.S. resources w/o getting U.S. troops either on the border or inside Mexico. Calderon is really desperate for U.S. help. He got way in over his head when he declared war on the cartels, not realizing how much they had really taken over Mexico. The DoD JFC paper on Mexico rapidly becoming a failed state was spot on.

DMMikey
April 17, 2009, 10:39 PM
There won't be a push for a new AWB anytime in the near future. The Dems are determined to maintain a hold on the house. Recently, 65 Dems from conservative and rural districts sent a letter to the white house (Eric Holder) stating that they could not support any new gun restrictions.
Without that many votes, any legislation is dead in the water.
The leadership got the message.
There would have to be some radical changes for any new gun control to have a chance.
For the moment, 2A supporters have won.
About the only legislation that I have seen that seems to have any momentum is closing the gun show loophole. And the efforts for that seem to be for a very narrow bill.

greywalker
April 18, 2009, 01:36 AM
Do Not Let Your Guard Down .... words to live by, now more than ever....

alloy
April 18, 2009, 07:50 AM
He mentioned tracing ammo last week also with regards to Mexico, not sure which speech...frankly i can't tell one speech from the next anymore. Either the one before the last one or it might have been the one before that one. Maybe someone else knows if it was during Mexico speech 1 thru 3 or 4 thru 6 ago? Is that a new tactic, Keep talking until everyone stops listening?

Anyway...the ability to trace ammo was mentioned, but maybe reading bar codes off the boxes was the intention.

Edit: found it. Closing loopholes, ballistics and ammo info are something Mr Holder will be working on.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sH_n3XlVZ4Q