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autopilotmp
April 4, 2009, 01:33 AM
Looking for ideas on this, Best Defense says to avoid the nightstand, sock drawer is too far away, under the matress is to difficult while in the bed. Where are you guys keeping your HD guns. Was thinking of mounting a holster to the back of my nightstand. Out of sight in case of daytime (while at work) intruders, 2yr old can't get to it. Looking for a solution to the current in the gun-safe issue i have.

jgcoastie
April 4, 2009, 01:46 AM
Where do you keep your HD gun?

Which one?

I keep my G22 on my nightstand at night, my wife keeps her 642CT on hers. (G20SF is in the gun cabinet with a loaded mag just waiting to be thrown in, along with the GSG-5, along with the BAR) Since I have a nosy 18 month-old I take them both and put them on top of the chest of drawers (5' tall) every morning when I wake up. This leaves them within easy reach of my wife, but also very very far out of reach of my daughter. I too have considered mounting holsters on the nightstands, seems like a viable option IMO. I'm thinking either a Blackhawk SERPA or a Safariland SLS/ALS attached via belt loop attachment using standard wood screws. Still working on the particulars... Not as much of a concern on base here in Kodiak, but when we move back down south in a couple of years... Who knows...

evan1293
April 4, 2009, 02:02 AM
Nightstand at night....Hip during the day. Everyone's living situation is different. You need to access for yourself what is safe yet still accessible if the need should arise.

porrpk
April 4, 2009, 02:03 AM
where do you spend most of your time? where do you live? (rural/urban) If you are concerned about waking up to an intruder, as close to bed as possible. you could get one of those biometric (fingerprint) handgun safes for the nightstand. I would be very careful about storing any weapon w/o a safe/lock with a 2 year old around.

evan1293
April 4, 2009, 02:09 AM
I would be very careful about storing any weapon w/o a safe/lock with a 2 year old around.

+1 Never underestimate what they're capable of doing.

dcobler
April 4, 2009, 02:27 AM
My son will be 4 months on the sixteenth, and we do have older children in the house on a usual basis. With that said, I bought a $30 plain push button combo safe from Wal-Mart that slides under the bed. Not exatcly secure, but child safe. If you do have it locked up, practice getting to it quickly and in no/low light situations. I also suggest keeping a flashlight close.

Whiteboy67
April 4, 2009, 02:32 AM
I've got a small safe in my small walkin closet which is inside my bathroom which contains my handgun. My shotgun sits underneath my bed so I can flip out of bed using my mall ninja prowess and grab it all in one motion.

chemgirlie
April 4, 2009, 03:03 AM
Murphy's Law: If it can go wrong it will.

Toddlers are a lot smarter than we give them credit for. I thought I had put a chocolate bar (potty training motivation for my munchkin) out of reach on the back of the kitchen counter. She got to it by pulling drawers out and using them as a ladder up to the top of the counter. They can also get past "childproof" locks/pill bottle caps (they should be called adult proof locks).

For storing your HD gun during the day I would simply keep it on your hip until you go to bed. For nighttime I like those itty bitty safes that have a key code on them. Some of the keypads come in the shape of your hand so you don't have to look for numbers on a pad in the dark. You just have to remember something like "middle finger, ring ringer, middle finger, pinky, pointer finger".

Securely lock it so your kid doesn't end up discovering things he shouldn't.

dcobler
April 4, 2009, 03:35 AM
BTW, my nightstand is my sock drawer. But it feels funny drawing a pair of short ankle socks instead of a Glock 21SF.:D

Rich Miranda
April 4, 2009, 04:04 AM
Best Defense says to avoid the nightstand...

Did they say why?

My nightstand is the only piece of furniture close to me (other than the bed). I sleep better knowing that my .45 is safely locked away from my kids but accessible to me in about five seconds (I timed it) should the need arise. I keep other guns elsewhere but I wouldn't give up the one right next to me.

If it has to do with a burglar looking there first, they can have it. Where could I put it that would be accessible quickly in the middle of the night, but that is safe from a burglar? Furthermore, kneeling to retrieve the gun from the area between the bed and the wall affords me a tactical advantage that running across the room doesn't.

chemgirlie
April 4, 2009, 04:08 AM
The itty bitty safes can be put on your night stand, in your sock drawer, behind your headboard, and pretty much any place you can think of. It's close to you, but safely locked away.

porrpk
April 4, 2009, 04:50 AM
I've seen 'pillow safes', a pillow made out of tempurpedic type material with a slit in the side with a pocket for a handgun, not for your dirty harry gun (try sleeping on that), or a gun w/o a locking safety (glock/xd), but it looked like a slimline handgun would fit nicely. and when you wake up, either holster it or lock it away to keep safe from kids.

you could easily make your own pillowsafe. maybe even get a patent!

autopilotmp
April 4, 2009, 08:41 AM
Thank you so far guys, TBD says not to use the night stand or sock drawer cause that is where a BG would look during a burglary. Personnaly i don't want my guns to be taken away by anyone, let alone taken from me then used on someone else. Adding more info here, I do not have my CCW license yet so carrying on the hip the rest of the day is not an option. My HD gun is a Glock 22 with lasermax laser, i have also added a G2 surefire to the bedside, i try to remember to bring my cell phone to bed w/ at night as well.

45Marlin carbine
April 4, 2009, 08:53 AM
I have a spare holster velcroed to my bedpost for my h-d Makarov.
I also keep a .22LR revolver loaded w/Super Max at rear door hidden in near closet and a .32acp Beretta at front door hidden in near book case.
these in addition to a SXS 12ga Mag hidden in broom closet.

scottaschultz
April 4, 2009, 08:55 AM
I think the rule would be to not put your gun in the night stand when you're not there! A well-motivated "BG" is going to take what he wants when I am not there, if he can get past the 4 dogs! After all, the whole idea of having a gun for your defense when you are are at home is to get to it as quickly as possible.

And also as others have said, do not underestimate the creativity of a child when it comes to discovering things in their universe. This comes from the father of 3 and grandfather of 7!

Scott

Keltyke
April 4, 2009, 09:06 AM
Sorry, NOYB.

Dwight55
April 4, 2009, 09:45 AM
I'm not sure who or what this "Best Defense" is, . . . but they don't live in my house or my neighborhood, . . . and therefore are probably not very well qualified for such a blatant and sweeping generalization.

ON the nightstand, . . . IN sight, . . . WITHIN half an arm's reach is where it stays at night, . . . and most of the time when I am at home.

When I leave the house, . . . on my right hip, . . . or in unusual circumstances, maybe in the console or glove compartment.

If I have any cookie munchers around, . . . it is on my hip, . . . on top of a 7 foot tall cabinet, . . . or locked in the safe with all the others. If I had small children (read as anything under 21), . . . it would be IN the safe, ON my hip, or on the night stand if it is "sleeping time". And there would not be any exceptions.

I keep it really simple, . . . so I don't have to worry about "Did I????????, . . . Didn't I ??????????????"

May God bless,
Dwight

Wuchak
April 4, 2009, 10:08 AM
Simple equation.

Children in house = gun are ALWAYS either in a locked container or a holster on the hip, no exceptions.

The small safes with an electronic combination are probably the best bet to keep your handgun safe from little fingers and quickly accessible. It doesn't need to be fancy but I would go for the electronic combo so you don't have to search for a key at night.

verti89
April 4, 2009, 10:10 AM
My wife and I have our first little one in the oven right now...quite nearly done...anyhow my .45 is kept loaded and in the biometric safe in my night stand. Is it going to keep the burglar from stealing it...probably not but it will keep my little girl or nephew from finding something they shouldn't. This also requires just enough brain effort that I won't be shooting something I shouldn't be.

OldMarksman
April 4, 2009, 10:18 AM
I seem to recall seeing something on PDTV a year or so ago about not keeping the gun where it can be reached from the bed. Best to ensure that one is completely awake before grabbing it, and to do that by getting up, they said, if memory serves. I have adopted that philosophy.

On a very recent episode of The Best Defense, a scenario involving a woman locking herself in the bedroom and getting a gun from a nightstand was critiqued. The issues that were raised included the woman being directly in line with the intruder's entry and the direction of her shots endangering a house across he street. The suggested relocation of the gun permitted her to shoot the intruder from the side and established the fireplace as a backstop.

My problem with the show was that the woman was in a study when the intruder broke into the house and she had to race the man to the bedroom. Having a gun in the study would have been a lot better.

Some time ago, I read a review of the Charter Arms .44 in which the writer--Sheriff Jim Wilson, if I recall correctly--mentioned having more than one so he could have ready access to a weapon from different places in the house.

That started me thinking. If someone were to break in through the front door while we were downstairs, he would be between me and the stairs to the bedroom, where the gun had always been kept.

The solution seemed to be to have more than one gun in quick combo safes.

Late last year there was a thread here or on THR about whether people "carried" their guns while at home. Allegations of paranoia were made, along with suggestions to move to a "better" neighborhood, and all that.... I was somewhat taken back myself, and thought the idea sounded ridiculous.

But--after I started using a pocket holster, and after seeing the episode of TBD the other day, I decided to do just that. I don't notice that it's there, I have ready access, and no one else can get to it.

No, I don't expect trouble. I don't expect to ever use any of the fire extinguishers we have in the house and RV. I don't expect the carbon monoxide detectors to go off either. But frankly, having an Airweight Centennial in a pocket holster isn't that big a deal, and it is now my answer to the OP's question for the time we are not in the bedroom.

hogdogs
April 4, 2009, 10:38 AM
http://i17.photobucket.com/albums/b81/caughthog/P1010020.jpg
Shot gun won't fit under my pillow...
Smartest place for me to have fastest access is right where you see it...
When no one is home, they are locked away in a super duper secret hidey hole...
Brent

Wuchak
April 4, 2009, 10:40 AM
For $50 - $60 either of these would do nicely to keep it secure and quickly available.
http://www.walmart.com/catalog/product.do?product_id=7801926
http://www.walmart.com/catalog/product.do?product_id=5127164

Chuckusaret
April 4, 2009, 10:53 AM
I use a Secure-It Key-Operated Handgun Storage Safe in my cars and for under my bed. Cost: $29.95 each

autopilotmp
April 4, 2009, 11:38 AM
Think i may use a combo of several of these ideas, holster in a position not in plain sight but easily accessible, 2yr old has a tendency to wake up at night and come to the bedroom not looking for her to gain access while i'm sleeping. A smaller key/combo safe for the bedroom for daytime storage (i do have a larger safe located elswhere in the house for rifles and pistols).

Just a couple notes about some of the comments:
anyone who says to solve your worries by moving to a better neighborhood is an idiot...hmm nicer stuff to steal? doesn't seem to solve the problem.

Best Defense is a new program put on by a group of professionals that know defense and tactics used. I understand it's just a guidline and situation dictates, in this case it makes since to me.

Thank you all again for the suggestions thus far, keep em comin.

scorpion_tyr
April 4, 2009, 12:22 PM
2yr old can't get to it.

That's not correct at all. With a 2 year old running around you should keep it locked up somewhere at ALL times.

Rich Miranda
April 4, 2009, 12:57 PM
Hogdogs, you do realize that I'll have to report you for holding Homer Simpson hostage, don't you? :D

Oh, and BTW, I think you got the whole HD thing all wrapped up! :)

hogdogs
April 4, 2009, 01:29 PM
I want him arrested for stealing my comfy winter slipper!
What good is one slipper?
It was the bestest, fastest thing I could think of to avoid scratches (least important) or slipping and falling to the floor (more important) as that pistol is used for all sorts of tasks including being a good way to get my "QUIT YER YAPPIN'" order complied with when the yard full of dogs goes off. Snakes, rabbits, and other critters get it at times too. It often is chambered...
Brent

21CFA
April 4, 2009, 01:33 PM
Of our 10 grandkids, 3 are service-men, 2 Navy 1 Marine. ALL of our grandkids know what guns are and what and why they do what they do. Our 11 and 8 yr-olds handle all of my guns, empty, and could pull a trigger, but can't rack any of mine. So that's how I keep them all. Most are in plain sight. Easy to reach day or night. The only hidden pieces we have are under the counters in Bath and Kitchen. Mounted on dowels of appropriate caliber size installed in easy reach and cocked and locked. The counters and cabinets all have kid-proof latches. Our master-bath is our "safe room." It's a go-to place for tornadoes also, and has its own survival tools, incl. CB, cell, and stainless steel reinforced door. The linen closet abuts a storage closet which is accessible from outside the house. We practice E&E through the access a few times a year. I've mounted a pump-12 gauge beside the front door also. Sort of a "cha-ching" piece which I don't use before darkness. We plan for the worst and pray for the best.

Wuchak
April 4, 2009, 02:03 PM
The idea of moving it from one place to another each day is a really bad one. You WILL forget one day to put it away and open the door for tragedy. Have you ever had go back to restaurant to get your wife's purse? Have you left the house in a hurry and forgotten your wallet, your lunch, the cup of coffee on the counter? Relying on your memory to keep your children safe from guns is not a good idea. Picture your kid lying dead by your gun because you forgot to put it away and how you would live with yourself or explain why you were switching it from location to location to your wife, your extended family, and the DA. Keep it locked unless it's on your person. It's the only responsible way to have a handgun in a house with children.

Switching it from one location to another the question is WHEN you will forget to put it away, not IF.

As for needing it for defense the question is IF you will need it, not WHEN.

Secure the guns to avoid the most likely risk.

Lee Lapin
April 4, 2009, 04:25 PM
I'd suggest on-body carry while you're at home and awake, and locked in an easy access lockbox when you are asleep or otherwise occupied. A toddler in the house mandates maximum security for the gun, and a pistol is the easiest to secure.

Mossberg's Loc-Box works well for shotguns without Sidesaddles. Installed behind a door, a curtain/drape or inside a closet, the device 'holds' the key when it is unlocked- the key can only be removed when it is locked. Put the key on your keyring with your car keys, unlock it when you're home and you won't leave home without locking it- you CAN'T, unless you leave your keys behind.

No matter how you do it, your gun needs to be safely secured out of the reach of your toddler at all times...

lpl

TridentOne
April 4, 2009, 04:29 PM
Holster as much as you can. That is absolutely the safest form of carry. That being said it is the most uncomfortable way to have a gun available. If you are not comfortable sitting, standing, walking, rising, driving with it, you won't carry it and have more to worry about where it is or was.

For the night time, my advice is that if you have kids, keep your guns locked up and get dogs that will alert you to the doings'-a-transpirin' and/or protect you long enough to get your gun when it is not on your hip.

Rifleman 173
April 4, 2009, 08:26 PM
On MY right hip where it belongs except when I'm in bed. Then I have it up high in a closet where I can get to it in a hurry when needed. That way when I bail out of bed I have to take 2 steps, open a door and then move to engage the target. So by the time I get ready to shoot, I'll be wide awake.

autopilotmp
April 5, 2009, 12:28 AM
I think i've got it figured out now. I just reviewed the first episode of "the best defense" and he showed a 12" x 12" board with a mag holder, flashlight holder and serpa holster attached to it. With this rig you could mount it anywhere, in my case shoulder level in the closet in the bedroom. This setup makes it easily accessible to my wife and I, as well as keeping it out of reach of the little one. No need to move it daily thus eliminating the "oh s#@T" when something happens as well as the horrible thought of my girl getting ahold of it. Also something to mention if you guys didn't catch that episode, an old cell phone that you've replaced will still dial 911 put it on a charger by the bed and leave it.

Again Thank you to all who contributed, hope this helps others with questions as well.

Wuchak
April 5, 2009, 09:12 AM
OK, not to be a jerk Autopilotmp but, WHAT PART OF KEEP IT LOCKED UP WITH CHILDREN IN THE HOUSE are you not understanding? Mounting it on a board in the closet is not locking it up. You need some kind of locking container for your gun if you have a child in the house, PERIOD! Doing anything else is irresponsible and setting the stage for tragedy.

trigger happy
April 5, 2009, 09:16 AM
a pistolgrip shotgun above the inside of my closet door, my carry gun in my holster either on me or in reach

scottaschultz
April 5, 2009, 09:17 AM
This setup makes it easily accessible to my wife and I, as well as keeping it out of reach of the little one.For some people, children must be like Doritos... "We'll make more!"

Scott

trigger happy
April 5, 2009, 09:19 AM
I have 3 little future gun owners running around my house

m&p9newbie4sure
April 5, 2009, 09:37 AM
i have one of these http://www.brownells.com/aspx/ns/store/productdetail.aspx?p=22821
by the way my children are old

skydiver3346
April 5, 2009, 09:42 AM
Well for me, its pretty easy as my kids are grown and have moved on, (so don't have that worry about guns in the home anymore).
I keep my Wilson Combat CQB .45 auto on "top" my nightstand, (not in the drawer) so I can retrieve it with the quickest response time and not have to fumble around in the drawer, etc looking for it in an emergency. Next to the nightstand is a Remington 870 with #1 buckshot as backup. On the other side of our bed, my wife has her S&W model 60 fully loaded and ready to bark. So we are pretty well protected at nightime. Also, have a S&W model 36 with Federal +Ps lying under a TV mag on my recliner stand in our living room in case of a problem during the day or evening in the event someone breaks in and we don't have time to get to the bedroom, etc.
Pays to be prepared nowadays. Even though we live in a pretty good neighborhood, you just never know what can happen to any of us, (day or night).

Dragon55
April 5, 2009, 09:45 AM
sleeps with a S&W 38 under her pillow and has another at the front door on a shelf as she answers the front door..... her left hand is on the grip as her right hand turns the knob.

troy_mclure
April 5, 2009, 10:09 AM
in which room?

hogdogs
April 5, 2009, 10:15 AM
I was raised with loaded guns in the home at all times... My kids were too... Right before a very swift slap to the back of the hand they hear "MINE DON'T TOUCH... BAD" same as I got as a toddler... When unable to supervise during the preliminary training they would get locked away. I worried more about Junior playing with my tape measure and feeler gauges (he thought it was pocket knife and destroyed them) than fear him or his little cohorts in crime messing with my guns.
Brent

Stevie-Ray
April 5, 2009, 12:52 PM
On the nightstand right next to me. Fairly light sleepers, both. No kids. Cats make a great early warning device.

I use a Secure-It Key-Operated Handgun Storage Safe in my cars and for under my bed. Cost: $29.95 eachI use those in my trucks. They're great, nice and flat, and go under seats perfectly.

armsmaster270
April 5, 2009, 06:50 PM
When mine is not on my belt it's on my nightstand and vica versa. The dog will wake me before anybody even gets on the property, let alone in the house.

jpoolsmyd2
April 5, 2009, 07:28 PM
Children in house = gun are ALWAYS either in a locked container or a holster on the hip, no exceptions.

Yep. Get a Gun Vault. Can be accessed in seconds. Keep the rifles locked up in a safe.

Nnobby45
April 5, 2009, 07:38 PM
Looking for ideas on this, Best Defense says to avoid the nightstand, sock drawer is too far away, under the matress is to difficult while in the bed. Where are you guys keeping your HD guns. Was thinking of mounting a holster to the back of my nightstand. Out of sight in case of daytime (while at work) intruders, 2yr old can't get to it. Looking for a solution to the current in the gun-safe issue i have.



If Best Defense is so d#%@% smart, where DO they recommend you keep it.:D

A firearms instructor I know, of international fame, keeps his on the floor so he can roll out of bed and be behind cover.

The gun I carry goes on the night stand, within immediate reach, and a P226 is in an Uncle Mikes holster affixed to the back of a dresser drawer right next to my electronic hearing and an 870. I don't have kids in the house, so that may not work for everyone. Keeping your CCW/HD gun near you at night might be a better idea.

Some feel that, when you're up, having a gun in any direction you have to run to, in the event of a home invasion, is a wise idea. Wouldn't be good to have Bubba between you and a gun. Of course, having the gun on you solves that problem.

dabigguns357
April 5, 2009, 07:52 PM
I have 2 kids in my house and i keep all but 1 in lock up.I keep one on me at all times.That way i don't have to run for the gun room.:D

scuba200ft
April 5, 2009, 08:23 PM
Glock 17 with NS and TLR-2. 2 extra mags. Right next to the bed in a drawer.

Anyone with little children who dont have their gun/guns completely locked up is out of their minds.....

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jpoolsmyd2
April 5, 2009, 08:36 PM
most carry states have exemptions for private property owners to disallow carry while on their property.

Yeah, even if your kids are educated and know to never touch one without your supervision, what about their friends? That's what worries me. All of ours are always always either a.)on me/my wife b.) locked up

autopilotmp
April 5, 2009, 08:41 PM
Thank you all for your constructive criticism.

was looking at different small pistol vaults today, for between the bed and nightstand that does seem to be the most viable solution that can be used even after my little one grows enough to access a gun no matter where i put it outside of a safe.

Maxx
April 5, 2009, 09:05 PM
+1 on the Gun Vault. It's quick and easy, as good as it can get.

Any gun not on my person is always locked and secured.
The fact I have kids in the house only makes this a more obvious choice.

OldMarksman
April 8, 2009, 03:59 PM
For what it's worth, in Post 20 I mentioned a Best Defense episode in which a woman raced an intruder to the bedroom, "won the race", and locked the door and got her gun.

I just saw a new episode in which they showed a replay of that "race," they opined that the thing to do in the case of an intrusion is to get to a saferoom. They then said that the safest way to get to the saferoom may be to be armed.

If someone had asked me a year ago what I thought of the idea of carrying a gun in my own house, I would have been highly dubious. But now that I've thought about it, I don't know any other way of avoiding getting cut off from the weapon should someone enter from certain points than having several guns in different locations, and even that entails some tactical risk.

At night? I heed the advice that it is best to have to be really awake before grabbing a gun. That rules out the nightstand, where I kept it for years, for me.

Like Hogdogs, I remember being around loaded guns a a child and when my cousins were very young when staying with an aunt or with grandparents. We knew not to touch them. I would not assume that risk today until the kids were older. I do believe the combo safes are a really good idea for times when the gun is not in the pocket.

My opinions, for your consideration.

KnightZero
April 9, 2009, 11:54 AM
During the day, my Taurus PT140 Mil Pro is my carry gun - on my hip, as it should be. In the evenings, the carry gun goes on the floor next to my bed - which is just a mat on the ground anyway. Nighttime defense duty is taken care of by my Springfield XD-40 with a mounted Streamlight TLR-2 next to the pillow. My carry gun with charged up Nitesiters is waiting in the wings as backup. The XD goes under the pillow when I get up for the day, or into the shoulder holster if I decide to carry it for some reason.

I don't have kids, a spouse, an SO, family, friends, or visitors, so this setup works for me.:D

djohn
April 9, 2009, 12:07 PM
Wow I cant believe people think there kids cant climb 5 ft, please My son at 2 could climb up a 6 ft cabinet to the top.I was at a friends house when there child I think was 4 at the time climbed a wood cabinet that was top heavy and down came the cabinet and child.Thanks goodness it didn't land on top of the child.

ChCx91
April 17, 2009, 06:58 AM
To the OP, I don't mean to sound rude by saying this but...

It really is not that safe to advertise on here where you keep your firearms. You NEVER KNOW if some perp is on here looking through the forums for information like this so he can use it to come and and steal your guns. No, I am not paranoid because when people talk about where they keep thier "cars, plasma screens, pets, guns, etc" perps read about it and come steal them all. Not all criminals are drunk/high/stupid kids just going into some random house; some criminals actually think about the crime they commit before they do it. Whether it be cost of the gun, a saftey issue or personal privacy, everyone should exercise discretion when disclosing information like this. These forums ARE open to the public and guests.

BTW: I have shared the locations of a COUPLE of my guns on this forum, but I will not disclose the locations of all my HD guns because some of them are just worth more than the ones I mentioned...(EX: My Glock, 870, etc...those are chump change compared to my others...and yes, I have just made it known that I have more than 2 guns) :p

pax
April 17, 2009, 09:36 AM
Wow I cant believe people think there kids cant climb 5 ft, please My son at 2 could climb up a 6 ft cabinet to the top.I was at a friends house when there child I think was 4 at the time climbed a wood cabinet that was top heavy and down came the cabinet and child.Thanks goodness it didn't land on top of the child.

Preach that! "Up high where the kids can't get it" is a sick joke, not congruent with reality in any way, shape, or form.

When my son David was just under 2 years old, I walked into the kitchen during naptime one afternoon to find that he had


climbed out of his crib

climbed over the babygate blocking his doorway

climbed up the face of the kitchen cabinets

climbed to the top of the fridge

opened the "childproof (www.corneredcat.com/Kids/childproofisnt.aspx) latch" to the cupboard above the fridge to dig into the candy I kept there -- candy that he "didn't know" was there because we always made sure he was out of the room before we put it away.


There's no such thing as "too high" for a kid to reach, and there's no such thing as kids that don't know what you've got in the closet. There are only parents who luck out and fool themselves, and parents who do not.

Store your guns behind locks designed to keep out adult thieves, or keep the guns on your body. Don't trust your ability to hide the guns. The stakes are too high.

Oh, and teach your kids (www.corneredcat.com/Kids/firstlesson.aspx) too. That goes without saying almost, but a surprising number of people believe ignorance is somehow safer than intelligent instruction and training.

pax

EricReynolds
April 17, 2009, 11:56 AM
I have had a couple of different options. I did have the guns in my sock drawer at night, ready to go. Then I had kids. I have a 3 yr. old daughter and a 2 yr. old son. I kept a lock on the pistols with locks on them as a precaution before I had the thought, "Where do I keep my ammo and loaded clips?" I can't put a lock on each bullet, and I don't want the kids playing with them anymore than I want them playing with the guns. My daughter is a good girl, but the boy is a concern. He is one of us. A gun guy by birth. Runs around saying, "I shoot the bad guys!" His mom and gramma yell at him, but I'm secretly proud. Knowing he likes guns, I had to step it up a notch and get a safe. It's the best thing you can do. However, if I didn't have kids, I'd have a gun stashed away in every room.

Daugherty16
April 17, 2009, 02:35 PM
People too often forget what it was like to be a kid.

For example: I am now an upstanding citizen, responsible gun owner, experienced hunter, committed father, faithful husband and trusted Director-level federal employee. Yet when i was very young, I knew the precise contents of both my parent's dressers, closets, and office, had found the "secret" entrance to the "other" attic accessed in the back of my folk's BR closet, and found and played with my dad's shotgun shells 15' off the ground in a box in the garage rafters. My parents once found me, at 6:00am, in the neighbors kitchen eating their Cheerios straight from the box, when i was 2. I can think of dozens more without trying hard. Need i go on?

Anything I did, I assume my kids have too, or will, or at least could. My carry gun is always on me, or in the master gunsafe with his cousins, or locked in the secure box in my truck depending upon circumstances. At night? biometric safe - top drawer nightstand. Secure, but quick access.

Not only is secured storage responsible, prudent, and simple, it is also the law where I live. Besides the all-consuming guilt should any child (let alone one of mine) injure or kill themself with my improperly stored gun, I would have the added pleasure of an instant divorce, being fired from a good job, hefty fines, legal fees, jail time, and a civil suit. Oh, and permanent loss of gun ownership rights in America.

Kind of a steep price to pay, if you lose that bet that your kids (or their friends) will just "know better". I can't see the upside.

G-man 26
April 18, 2009, 11:23 PM
And never underestimate the stupid action factor. We should all be able to remember doing stupid stuff at a young age, and not knowing why we did it, even at the time.

I had a couple of pistols on a sheet on the bed the other day, giving them the regular wipe down, light cleaning, and inspection. Right in front of my very eyes, my 7yr old ran into the room, reached out, and before I could stop him, pulled the trigger on my empty glock, as it lay on the sheet. He could not even say why he did it, and while I understood this, I still spanked the living tar out of him before sending him to his room and grounding him. You bet we have covered this before, and we covered it again. He doesn’t know why he did it, and knows better. Still it happened, he did it. Never under estimate the ability of a child to astonish you through action. Good or bad. And we will go over it again, and again, and again.

Totally unrelated, we had a bg in town for a while that broke me of the "nightstand" habit. He would break in to people’s homes, in the middle of the night, and just stand there at the foot of the bed, staring at you while you slept. Huge press coverage, and the police did a lightning fast and fantastic job of capturing this guy. Should this have happened to us, and we had a loaded and ready to go gun laying on the nightstand...(I shudder to think). I keep the thing under the pillow with no round in the chamber. If I can't wake up enough to function the slide, then I don't need to shoot anyway. It is the same amount of (acceptable) time to acquire the gun and make it usable, as placing it across the room. Plus it stays in my control. This may be wrong, but it works for me. If it is wrong, I hope I never wake up to a weirdo watching us sleep. I sure as heck don't want him holding my gun.

Ditto to those carrying while awake. +1 to that idea.

Re4mer
April 19, 2009, 12:32 AM
I have two within arms reach.

Gwion
April 19, 2009, 12:32 AM
I keep my firearms locked away in my gun safe at all times. I have three kids in the house so there is no other way for me. My safe is right next to my nightstand.

What I do though is at night I turn my safe's combo lock to just a few numbers off of opening. I can have it open in about the same time as pulling out a drawer. In the morning I simply spin the combo to scramble the lock.

OldMarksman
April 19, 2009, 09:50 AM
What I do though is at night I turn my safe's combo lock to just a few numbers off of opening. I can have it open in about the same time as pulling out a drawer. In the morning I simply spin the combo to scramble the lock.

That would seem to beg the question, what would you do if a couple of violent people were to crash through the back door while you were awake in the living room?

erwos
April 20, 2009, 09:08 AM
While we're on the topic, does anyone have any opinions about gun safes for home defense handguns? I'm seeing biometric ones online, and they do seem to have some appeal, but I do have some reliability concerns (not to mention cost). Do people feel that push button safes are good enough for fast access?

Housezealot
April 20, 2009, 09:39 AM
I have a solution that I seems to work for me having small children, I mounted a set of these
http://www.made-in-china.com/image/2f0j00YedamSQfCDokM/Plastic-J-Hook-Water-Pipe-Hangers-LW-00101-.jpg
on the inside of my closet over the door with my mossberg 500 set inside like a gun rack and zip tied to the hangers, the gun cant be racked that way and is up high but a swift jerk snaps the hangers at the bottom of the curve and the gun is ready to go, the hangers are only a couple of dollars a piece so you can practice to make sure it works for you, my wife had a hard time snapping them first try but no problem at all for a 200 pound male. also If I am awake I have a pistol on my hip.

Dresden2001
April 20, 2009, 10:07 AM
No children in our house, and I have a push button pistol safe in the cabinet on my side of the headboard. I keep my HD pistol near the safe when I am home, in the safe when I am not. My carry pistol is in the safe, or on my belt depending on what I am doing. I have another pistol in condition one in my office since I work from home.

Glenn E. Meyer
April 20, 2009, 11:33 AM
Parents can be remarkable clueless as to their children's lives and stresses. Even 'good' kids can only be good in the mind of the parent. Or they can be under tremendous pressure to confirm in a very short term - unknown to you.

Depending on their development stages, their ability to retain instructions and/or evaluate risk is very suspect.

Very young kids have been shown to have the ability to manipulate most of the standard HD firearms. Racking, safeties, etc. - they can do it and even work on teams to do it. You can give them a safety lectue, leave the room and they pick up the gun.

You really need an impenetrable physical method for kids.

Tucker 1371
April 20, 2009, 11:41 AM
Leaning up against the wall and my bedpost, mag in, chamber cold, safety on. I'm upstairs though so placement of my HD gun is not as important because its going to take me at lest 30 seconds to get downstairs and with all the goodies downstairs it's doubtful a BG would risk making noise to come upstairs for a look.

Chettt
April 20, 2009, 01:37 PM
If you live in a high crime area why not secure your bedroom door with a deadbolt and a metal bar across it? Together with a cell phone and a gun I would sleep better.

As for children in the house, nothing is a bigger threat to our 2nd amendment than a kid shooting another kid with a gun that was unloaded, unchambered, hidden, had too strong a trigger pull, had too strong a slide pull, was too complicated to assemble etc.

LoneStarWings
April 20, 2009, 02:26 PM
I live alone but I keep 3 HD weapons loaded underneath my bed.

.40 Pistol in holster w/ one in the chamber, no safety, hollow points
12 gauge pump, chamber empty, safety on, 00 buckshot
.308 semi-auto rifle, full 25 rnd magazine, chamber empty, safety on, soft points

Weapons rest on top of the egg crate foam of an open hard-shelled case.

Ian0351
April 20, 2009, 03:23 PM
+1
If I can't wake up enough to function the slide, then I don't need to shoot anyway.

For this reason, and because rolling out of bed is a good start to establishing a position, I go with under the bed, condition 3. In a few years when I get rugrats I'll get a good micro safe to go under there, for now I'd rather have a Shotgun for home defense (apartment living). During the day while I'm gone all my guns live in el cheapo dial combo gun safe from Wally World, this will also have to be replaced eventually. If having kids really is your punishment for the way you behaved, then I'm gonna have my hands full.:cool:

Deaf Smith
April 20, 2009, 06:05 PM
Where I keep my gun is for me to know and the home invaider to find out (at his peril!)