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skywalkrNCSU
April 3, 2009, 07:04 PM
I get a knock on the door not too long ago and I decide for whatever reason to answer the door. I really should have just done nothing and ignored it but I didn't.

So I answer the door and immediately I wish I hadn't, it was a pretty shady looking guy. You know the type, dressed and his whole appearance was a little ghetto for lack of a better word.

I don't open the door very far and keep my left shoulder behind it just in case he tries to bust through and he starts talking telling me he is getting people to vote for him so he can win a contest. I ask him what he is talking about and he hands me a small piece of paper with a bunch of writing in a laminated sleeve. I quickly glance down and hand it back to him asking what it is. He tells me he can win a trip to Europe, asks me if I have been, asks me if I am a student and I tell him no to both.

He tells me that he just came from next door and he says, "yeah man those guys are crazy party guys, they say they don't smoke pot but they have a bong sticking out their window, have you seen that?" I say no and he says, "don't you want to see it" as if he was trying to get me to come out from behind the door so he could bum rush me. I tell him no and I think he gets the hint that I am not moving.

He then tells me to win all he needs to do is sell magazines and he tries to hand that paper back to me. As soon as he said sell magazines I handed it back and said no thanks and told him I was in a hurry and getting ready to go somewhere just trying to get him to leave (I am not going anywhere) and he tries to push his pitch again and I say nah man I'm good and he replies yeah you sound like it or something along those lines as he walks off and I shut and lock my door.

If his goal was to get into my apartment then I figure that handing me a piece of paper with a lot of writing on it was to get me to look down and read it so I would not be aware of what he was doing. Now I am all nervous about this guy coming back sometime when I am gone because I wasn't exactly friendly towards him and he seemed ticked off. Of course maybe he was actually trying to sell some magazines and I am just a little on edge.

Thoughts?

MrNiceGuy
April 3, 2009, 07:10 PM
you ran into a door to door magazine salesman

congrats




the ones you really need to watch out for are those jahovas witnesses... they're twice as dangerous... and they dont even offer magazine subscriptions

skywalkrNCSU
April 3, 2009, 07:12 PM
^ lol

I normally wouldn't have thought otherwise if it wasn't as if he wanted me to step outside to see the neighbors bong sticking out the window that didn't exist (I looked out the window after he left and saw nothing but some blinds)

Tucker 1371
April 3, 2009, 07:19 PM
HAHAHA, i ran into one of these goons, guy wouldnt take a hint and I had a few spare bucks so i got 12 months of Guns & Ammo

Mannlicher
April 3, 2009, 07:30 PM
nothing to worry about. Just don't buy from him.

skydiver3346
April 3, 2009, 07:33 PM
First mistake is talking to him too long. When you checked him out first time, you should have said no thanks and closed and locked the door. Believe me, he has had that probably happen a lot to him. But like most people, you wanted to be nice and let him deliver his pitch, etc. Describing this guy, you should have immediately closed and locked the door. These people get our guard down and distract us by "talking,etc"...
Protect yourself and family members by just saying "no thanks", period. You owe these people nothing! Forget about being a nice guy. These day and times, there are folks out there that will take advantage of you and you will be sorry. Maybe he was a guy down on his luck trying to make a few bucks and maybe he was a guy trying to set you up. It just isn't worth it in the long run. BE CAREFUL.................

troy_mclure
April 3, 2009, 07:58 PM
we got them around the army posts all the time, usually in pairs of hot chicks tho.

12GaugeShuggoth
April 3, 2009, 08:10 PM
the ones you really need to watch out for are those jahovas witnesses... they're twice as dangerous...

Well, while you're B.S.'ing.........about a week ago I was doing some morning errands around town and getting some groceries, as always I was carrying a concealed handgun. I haven't been carrying long, but have been working to improve my situational awareness for some time. Walking back to the truck pushing my cart of groceries, I did my usual parking lot scan along the way. It was a Sunday morning so things weren't exactly too busy, and I guess I got careless before I reached the truck.

I never spotted the two Jehova's Witnesses walking up behind me while loading groceries in to the bed of my truck, never spotted the brown and gold dresses as they approached. By time I noticed them, well, as the saying goes "If it'd been a snake it'd bit me!" :eek: Thankfully they weren't interested in mugging me :D. They're like well dressed ninja's, those sneaky heel-clad ladies.

MrNiceGuy
April 3, 2009, 08:17 PM
I never spotted the two Jehova's Witnesses walking up behind me while loading groceries in to the bed of my truck, never spotted the brown and gold dresses as they approached.

Brown and gold dresses?

Are you sure you werent accosted by some Hare Krishna zombies?

http://img127.imageshack.us/img127/4927/gargoylesanddarkactionfs.gif

Jahova's witnesses usually wear suits and ties

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BamaBowtie
April 3, 2009, 08:20 PM
I had the EXACT same pitch from a couple of girls the other day, right down to the "party guys next door". I told them I didn't have any money and they said "Do you have a debit or credit card? You can use one of those too." I told them I couldn't help them and closed the door.

coondogger
April 3, 2009, 08:42 PM
At the worst, I believe he was trying to sell you a magazine subscription which you may or may not have actually received. If he were going to rob you, he wouldn't have made himself known to you.

Only S&W and Me
April 3, 2009, 08:49 PM
Be nice and polite and hear a bit then shut it down...don't want these guys coming back and doing something to your house later.

12GaugeShuggoth
April 3, 2009, 09:04 PM
Are you sure you werent accosted by some Hare Krishna zombies?


I have to say, I just laughed harder than I have in a long time.....thank you for that. :D No, the two women were dressed up as if going to church or a similar function; it was a Sunday morning so they really didn't look out of place or anything. Brown dresses with gold accents. They were very nice and just wanted to give me a hand-out, I felt safe as they didn't strike me as zombie-like at all. :)

djohn
April 3, 2009, 10:06 PM
I had a guy come to my door where I used to live he was a Jahova and like you I just opened the door and he tried to hand me the pamplet they hand out. Normally I have no problems other then there timming sucks and they come during dinner it seems every time or just when walking in from work.No offense to jahovas but there persistent and dont give up and frankly a pain in the rear.Anyways I refuse the pamlet saying No thanks and have my own believes but thanks anyways and he insist I take the pamplet and I do said thank you and went to close the door and he had the nerve to put his foot in the doorway so i couldn't close the door. I told him to remove his foot now and he didn't remove his foot.I told him firmly he is going to loose it when I close the door if he doesn't remove it now. After the threat of his foot he looked to be angry and I so was I, so Gave him his final warning of my door was Going to close on his foot and he finally did.I slammed the door in his face and locked it.I watched him out the window and I never seen him go to anothers door. That was just weird and I thought maybe I came off the wrong way but I think I was polite initialy until the foot thing.I no longer just open my door to anyone and to this day still makes me wonder what the hell that was all about.

Erik
April 3, 2009, 10:13 PM
On "nothing to worry about."

That is not necessarily true. Many scam artists pose as door to door sales men. The info people are willing to provide is often times quite valuable to them. Others seek to case the joint from the door, deciding whether it is worth their time to visit when you are away. Still others seek to distract you while others attempt to steal what they may elsewhere on the property.

But yes it is true that most are merely involved in sales, trying to eek out what they may.

Dr. Strangelove
April 3, 2009, 10:24 PM
Funniest Jehovah's Witness story I was personally involved in was back in high school. My father, brother, and I had just walked in the back door from deer hunting, front bell rang, we just walked to the door all still carrying our rifles and dressed in head to toe camo. That's the only time I have ever seen them just back away and walk off...:)

As an on topic note, these "magazine salesmen" are generally legit, if a bit shady. They're usually "working their way through college" or some such BS. As other posters have mentioned, just give them a firm "No Thanks" and send them on their way. If you let them start a pitch they are halfway to their goal. Haven't seen any in a while, but I used to tell them anyone with such obvious sales skills doesn't need college.

bottom rung
April 3, 2009, 10:39 PM
Not to go off topic, but there are some greater underlying issues with the magazine sales pitch. I understand that the man in this situation was probably well above college age. There have been proven situations where shady folks recruit young college kids to sell magazines. However, it soon turns into a "forced to sell magazines" situation. There have been instances where folks have been approached by particularly nervous and scared teenagers who are trying to sell magazines. Those homeowners have noticed vehicles tailing the teenager. Typically the man in the vehicle is sending these kids out to sell for him. They are typically threatened with bodily harm if they attempt to get out of the situation. Such scammers generally prey on college kids who are far from home and are in need of cash. Be aware of your surroundings and be careful. At the same time I fear many of those who are in actual need are passed up by the overly cautious.

Re4mer
April 3, 2009, 11:01 PM
You made the right move, if things look bad don't take the chance.

Whiteboy67
April 4, 2009, 12:43 AM
I've had people come to the door while I was home and they just sit there and stall by asking for random people, "you sure he's not here" etcetc all the while looking around inside. I think they were trying to find an alarm system in the house or something but I've had that happend on two different occasions.

Funny you mention the Johovah witness people or whatever, I had a run in with them while filling up my truck at the gas station. They seriously popped out of nowhere and started telling me about God and all that. I looked at them as if to say "You seriously going to come at me with all that while I'm trying to fill up my truck?"
I said some things and they soon left though. Didn't insult them or God, but they didn't like what I said.
No problems with religion or anything, but I really hate people who come at you aggressively with their beliefs and try to force them at you.

spikespeigel
April 4, 2009, 01:23 AM
Some of these guys would come around "selling magazines" at my old apartment complex. Turns out they were scoping out houses for goodies. The police caught the same guys breaking into one of the apartments in the middle of the day. Their van was just about full as it was the third apartment they had hit that day. Being it was a military town, I guess these guys would go around during the day to see who was working the day shift and then they'd return later with the same van...:mad:

My dog must have scared them a bit... :D

SteveRick
April 4, 2009, 01:39 AM
I had two come to my door about the same European Trip BS. One was fat and the other was skinny. They asked if any parents where home, I said no, and continued to play along. These guys were up to no good and i felt it necessary to alert them to the presence that my house was a house of marine friends and family. They just said thanks and left, and I shut the door and locked it. No need to be confronting of hoodlums.

OuTcAsT
April 4, 2009, 09:03 AM
This happens every couple of months here, exactly the same pitch, college students yadda yadda, trip yadda yadda, I usually ask if they have a vendor permit (required to sell door to door) and they leave. I generally call police and report them and they are "asked" to leave town.

The strangest was a few months back, two guys show up at the door saying they are from the phone co. and are trying to upgrade services, THEN ask for my phone number? I said " you are the phone company, you already have it"

They leave immediately and do not go to another house.

Did I mention that when I am at home, or in the yard I OC my 1911 :D

kgpcr
April 4, 2009, 09:13 AM
Just a kid selling magazines. If he would have had some good deals on AR-15 mags i might have helped him out LOL

Dingoboyx
April 4, 2009, 09:14 AM
I have heard in our bigger cities (Sydney, Melbourne) while one zombie keeps you busy at the front door, talkin' BS, the other one (s) try to get in the back door :eek: for a snatch and run...... So, my advice is, if there is someone yackety yacking nonsense at your front door, say no thanks, close and lock the front door, then head straight for the back door and check there as well :D
And expect the 'unexpected' (Be alert, we need more lerts) :D

madmo44mag
April 4, 2009, 09:26 AM
I live in a state with a Castle Law and also live in an area where I am always armed (CHL)
They seem to want to leave as soon as they see that gun on my hip or under my shoulder.
I had a very , very persistent magazine salesman one day and told him "No, not interested" and he kept on. So I told him he could ask Mr. Smith or Wesson if they were interested and he could not leave fast enough.
I expected the cops to show up next but they never did.
I hate door to door sales people. :D

Dwight55
April 4, 2009, 09:36 AM
I tend to give everyone the benefit of doubt when it is reasonably possible, but if I had been Skywalker, . . . about 30 seconds into his "presentation" he would have been given a terse, . . . straight forward, . . . "No thanks, I am not interested", . . . period.

And, yeah, . . . the door would have closed. In our area, . . . door to door folks are generally clean, . . . no hoodies, . . . pleasant, . . . and just more or less "Would you like to buy,......................................" is their sales pitch.

Anything else, . . . especially the hoodie, . . . would be very much suspect in my neck of the woods.

Just my $.02

May God bless,
Dwight

besafe2
April 4, 2009, 05:15 PM
I agree they were selling magazines. Without opening the door I would've told them not interested.

hogdogs
April 4, 2009, 06:14 PM
Actually the firms that do this type sales pitch are known to do very little to hire anything but the nefarious. Some go so far as to recruit ex-cons. I once watched a crime documentary of one such salesman who ended up barging on an elderly woman, murdering her and stealing her money/credit cards and car. Had her daughter not panicked at missing her routine call, and called the police he may have gotten away with it. I think he may have gotten on a bus and had they not tracked it down he would have ended up in NYC where finding him would have been very tuff! Some links to substantiate the threat from these types...
http://www.wowzio.com/pulse/501241_traveling-salesman
http://bulletin.aarp.org/yourmoney/scamalert/articles/scam_alert__door-to-door.html
http://www.sfgate.com/cgi-bin/article.cgi?f=/c/a/2008/12/31/BA71151S66.DTL
http://www.news12.com/Login/home_login?id=170583
http://www.topix.com/forum/city/orange-park-fl/TFCPQLEH957AHABH7
http://www.kbmt12.com/news/state/42271357.html
This is all from the first page on google following a search for "magazine salesman kills woman" So I am sure there are more cases.
Don't let anyone blow smoke up yer butt saying "it was just a magazine salesman... no worries..."
Brent

Mike in VA
April 4, 2009, 07:20 PM
I find that when I answer the door with my 1911 or H&K on my hip they all take the first "no, thank you-", regardless of whatever they're pitching.

The only problem I had was back in VA when there was a new Mormon church in the neighborhood and it seemed like every other week a fresh bunch of 'missionaries' would come thru, some very persistent. I finally got fed up and called the church and had a chat with the head elder. I introduced myself (name & address) and explained that although I respect their right to proselytize, I seriously resented the fact that I had to be rude to uninvited people on my own doorstep because they didn't respect my wishes, i.e. 'no, thanks, not interested . . . ',and taht I really just wanted to be left alone. I asked him if he could take care of it - put me on a "do not call" list or whatever, or did I need to get my lawyer and the police involved, as I would have the next pair that showed up and didn't leave after the first 'no thankyew' arrested for treaspassing. He said he'd handle it and we weren't bothered again.

skywalkrNCSU
April 4, 2009, 07:28 PM
I don't really know how I feel about answering the door with a gun on my hip. I don't really want anyone knowing I have guns in my place because then it could become a target for a thief for when I am gone.

Granted that might scare them away, but it also might make them think if they scout it out then they can score some guns when I am at work

Renfield
April 4, 2009, 07:37 PM
some of the responses in this thread made me laugh out loud literally, thanks guys :D

Nnobby45
April 4, 2009, 08:12 PM
First mistake is talking to him too long. When you checked him out first time, you should have said no thanks and closed and locked the door.

I agree. When you're answering his questions, he's in charge---not you. It's called being "interviewed", "sized up", or use your own term.

Criminals do it, used car salesmen do it, panhandlers, etc. All people who want something from you.

Interesting that so many assume that he was a magazine seller just because he said he was. Or that, even if he was, that's all he was.

Most outfits hire clean cut kids, not dingy looking "ghetto types".

I remember an episode of Dale Hinman's show, (Body of Evidence) Court TV, in which a man with a long criminal record signed on with a magazine subscription company just to gain access to women's homes. The rape and murder he committed after casually walking thru the neighborhood, and TALKING his way in, was the subject of the episode.

Magazine subscription selling gives people a good opportunity to case your place and check you out in case he/she/they want to do a burg sometime when you aren't (or maybe are) home.

Yes, I know, I'm paranoid in my later years. I live in a semi-rural area and don't approach the door without a pistol real close, and don't answer strangers' questions.

Of course, I can be a sucker for Girl Scout cookies, or helping school kids raise money for a good cause.:D

MikeGoob
April 4, 2009, 08:15 PM
why is he only doing one of two things? Good entrepreneurs multitask. Yes he could have a crappy job selling door to door, and he could be scoping out places where little old ladies live with lots of jewelry, to pass the info along to an interested friend.

BUT based on your story, I say he definitely has a side business of selling pot. Ive learned when strangers bring up drugs (or sex) out of the blue, they are looking for visual cues of interest so they can offer a deal. An instant scowl or look of disgust saves them from getting in trouble.

hogdogs
April 4, 2009, 08:16 PM
http://i122.photobucket.com/albums/o263/Matchstick01/drooling_homer.gif
HMMMM Girl scout cookies!!!!!!
Them and un-aged corn liquor are a right fine meal!!!!!
Brent

snevensmores
April 4, 2009, 09:39 PM
Odd that others have a similar story as mine...

I had just bought my first handgun, and was sitting right beside the front door cleaning it. I'd called my friend (who lived down the street) for him to come look at it. Five minutes later, as I'm holding the gun, there's a knock at my door. I open it, expecting none other than my friend.

... and there stood two hot Jehovah's Witnesses.

They were brief with their spiel, I apologised, took their pamphlet, and they beat feet out of there.

bullspotter
April 5, 2009, 01:42 AM
Hard to say what he was up to. I dont trust anyone i dont know at my door, EVER and i never awnser the door with out my 9 freinds handy. Had one of those guys show up at my moms one day while i was their, I couldnt see them at the door but i could hear them, things got serious pretty fast when i herd my mom say let go of the door..........

Carryabigstick
April 5, 2009, 01:53 AM
The other thing you may have to consider is that he was not intending on robbing an occupied home. Home-Theft is most common in daylight. He may have only been ringing to see if you were home. If you hadn't answered he may have proceeded to break in your door.

B.N.Real
April 5, 2009, 10:41 PM
I don't know you and you come to my door,it get's closed very quickly.

You try to keep it open and tyou r toes or fingers will be hurting.

My door,my property,I don't know you,goodbye.

The gun is always close just in case too.

Rush my door and get six 38 rounds in your eyeball.

Nnobby45
April 5, 2009, 11:06 PM
I don't know you and you come to my door,it get's closed very quickly.

You try to keep it open and tyou r toes or fingers will be hurting.

My door,my property,I don't know you,goodbye.

The gun is always close just in case too.

Rush my door and get six 38 rounds in your eyeball.

Nice way to treat someone who just wants to let you know that a car knocked over your mail box, or your dog was last seen running down the street, or lots of other things.

Perhaps you could be slightly less hasty in assuming that if you don't know some one they have no business knocking on your door. :rolleyes:

Don't care for your tactics any more than your manners. If you put six slugs thru Bubba's eyeball, you'd be unloaded when his bros come in right behind him.:p

Beetmagnet
April 5, 2009, 11:18 PM
I hate to say it...because I believe in being courteous as the old scout law says...but if someone shows up to my door unannounced, and I don't know them I act like a real horses a$$ to them on purpose. I just don't like the idea of somebody I don't know feeling comfortable about being at my house.

But seriously the one thing that I found that works well is a small note posted inside your front door that says: Third Shift worker, sleeps during the day, Do Not Disturb". It doesn't matter if you are a third shift worker...most people respect that sign and don't bother knocking. It's much more effective than you might think

Nnobby45
April 6, 2009, 01:27 AM
I had a very , very persistent magazine salesman one day and told him "No, not interested" and he kept on. So I told him he could ask Mr. Smith or Wesson if they were interested and he could not leave fast enough.
I expected the cops to show up next but they never did.
I hate door to door sales people.


A similar incident happened to a friend, and the cops did show up. My buddy said no thanks, he wasn't interested and the salesman? opened his screen door and actually put a foot in his house and was on his way in when my buddy drew his 1911, pointed it at him, and ordered him to get out. The fellow called the police from his lawn, for cripe sakes. They weren't sympathetic to his argument, no complaints were filed, and no arrests.:cool:

bcarver
April 6, 2009, 02:00 AM
i HAVE A MOTION ACTIVATED SPRINKLE THAT DOES WONDERS ALONG WITH THE "NO SOLICITORS" SIGN.
I think it was 50 bucks and made by HAV A Hart.
Found it in a Harbor freight or Northern tools... can't remember which.
Also keeps dogs from crapping in yard.

butterboy
April 6, 2009, 08:24 AM
Ive had the exacty same guy come to my house, the same story about winning a trip.
He shows me something about what magizines I could order for subscipion, and when I finaly tell him no and turn him away , he turns his back and calls my a putz or something I cant remember, it took all my strength to hold myself from kicking his ass down a huge flight of stairs he had to walk down to leave my property.
He wasent about to try and come in the house I had my dog that recently passed but he was a 120 pound beast you would never ask if it was ok to pet him , he was a complete bas ass dog, as you can see I miss that old boy.
No one would ever come in my house with that dog inside.:D
Ive seen a thing on 20/20 about these people.
They travel around like gypeeze but I feel like they are really up to no good..

buzz_knox
April 6, 2009, 08:40 AM
Quite a few of the door to door salesmen are convicted criminals. There have been several incidents where they have reverted to their prior career path.

brj
April 6, 2009, 12:24 PM
Nice way to treat someone who just wants to let you know that a car knocked over your mail box, or your dog was last seen running down the street, or lots of other things.


A good point. As a rule I usually don't answer the door if I'm not expecting anyone. But their presence at your front door could be justified.

Assuming you could at least observe the individual(s) on your front porch, what would you base your decision on prior to opening the door/refusing to open the door ?

armedandsafe
April 6, 2009, 04:27 PM
I live in the county, so don't have many door-to-door people except for Jehova's Witnesses. Couple of nice old ladies, usually. I tell them I get my pamphlets from my daughter and that's that.

Once, one of the little old ladies spotted my carry because I wasn't wearing my vest. She asked "Is that the P89?" I told her it was the P85 and she ooooooohed. The other little old lady was not the least discomforted as the first one and I compared the relative merits of the P8x series with the P9x series she shoots. :D That is living in the country.

Pops

LoneWolf22056
April 6, 2009, 04:58 PM
LOL at all the jehovah's witness stories.

I have a killer JW story.

One time I was at a gas station, filling up my tank, when a big blue van pulled up and parked along the side of the station by the air compressor/vacuum. They all piled out, toting stacks of pamphlets. I was only about 1/4 of the way full and was praying I wouldn't have one of them hassle me. Sure enough, JUST AS I THOUGHT I WAS GONNA BE ABLE TO MAKE A GETAWAY, a large black woman asked me if I had a minute to talk. I was halfway into my truck and clearly was ready to leave. I still had the window open so she came up and asked me if I read the Bible. Trying to be a wiseguy, I said I read the "Koran" and "Suicide Bombing for Dummies" :D She went to hand me a pamphlet and said "Well, here's some interesting reading for you.." and I cut her off and said "That's the writing of the infidels!!! Alalalalalala (chanting)"

She got mad at my mockery of religion and she threw the stack of pamphlets at me!

So I gathered them up off my seats and took them to the manager of the 7-eleven. I told them that they were littering, and that a woman had dropped these all over the ground. The manager read the cover of the pamphlets and stormed outside and told them to get lost.

curt.45
April 6, 2009, 05:29 PM
I just yell "GO AWAY" and continue to watch TV.



worked so far, kinda bummer to chase off some good looking women.

sparkysteve
April 6, 2009, 07:05 PM
A simple "NO SOLICITING" sign fixes those problems. No cookies, meat, magazines, candy bars, vacuum cleaners, political supporters etc.

Mr. Davis
April 6, 2009, 09:32 PM
I have a bad habit of entertaining these door-to-door types for far too long. I'm not confrontational, but should know better.

Thanks for the stories. Reading situations like these helps my mental preparation.

Coyote Hitman
April 6, 2009, 09:48 PM
"No, not interested" and he kept on. So I told him he could ask Mr. Smith or Wesson if they were interested and he could not leave fast enough.

A pretty good example of how not to respond.

SMiller
April 6, 2009, 10:45 PM
Don't buy magaines from these a holes, you will never see your magazine you pay for. Don't answer the door and if you do slam and lock it fast!

Descendant
April 11, 2009, 01:13 PM
If I'm not expecting anyone, I always carry my gun to the door. My question is: where do you cross that legal line into "menacing" - any lawyers want to chime in? Is it enough to have it on your hip? What if I'm just holding the weapon, not pointing it, but just casually letting it be seen hanging at my side. Is that asking for trouble?

Ian0351
April 11, 2009, 04:53 PM
I am fairly certain these types are at the very least scouting for empty houses, possible trying to steal identities and maybe even plotting a kick-down home invasion. When I want to subscribe to a magazine I go out, buy a copy at the quickie-mart, fill out the subscription form and mail it off requesting a formal bill to come in the mail.

Last time the magazine idiots came to my door they even admitted that they were in a vocation rehab program or some nonsense trying to get their lives back on track, as well as the bogus trip to Europe line, and they looked like tweakers. I said "you mean my tax dollars are funding this crap? get the (expletive deleted) off my (expletive deleted) porch" and closed the door hard enough to cease further conversation.

But I'm not Ahab, I open the door at reasonable hours after a peep through the looking glass provided no danger signs present themselves; in which case I talk through the door or arm myself, situation depending.

45-70
April 12, 2009, 04:56 PM
I have a gun in my hand behind my back, completely out of sight. If it's needed, I don't want to have to draw it, and I certainly don't want to show it. I can always shove it in a back pocket if that becomes advisable.

But I usually don't answer the door if I am not expecting anyone. The dog barks enough to give most people the idea they don't want me to open it, anyway. I think I missed out on a chance for Girl Scout cookies not long ago for not answering the knock, but such is life.

By the way, on the rare occasion that I do open the door to someone I don't recognize, I stand mostly to the left of it (the hinges are on the right) and open it with my left hand. If they did crash through the door, I would not be pushed off balance, but to their side or behind them, gun in a protected retention, point-firing position.

Shadi Khalil
April 12, 2009, 05:09 PM
We have those guys around here. They try to church it up but the thuggness always stinks through. They sell mags and tell you its to help better their life, when you tell them no they get pushy. From what I know, they get recruited in DC and driven into the metro suburbs earlier in the morning and not picked up till the evening. Lot's of time to get into trouble if you ask me.

Shadi Khalil
April 12, 2009, 05:14 PM
I had a very , very persistent magazine salesman one day and told him "No, not interested" and he kept on. So I told him he could ask Mr. Smith or Wesson if they were interested and he could not leave fast enough.
I expected the cops to show up next but they never did


Did you really think that was funny?

:barf:

ChCx91
April 17, 2009, 07:10 AM
Here is what I would have done:

Stranger: "Do you wanna buy a magazine?"

Me: *looks at the guy and determines that he looks "shady/ghetto* "Um...no"

Stranger: "Cmon man, juss buy 1!"

Me: *getting a little ticked off* "Um..no"

Stranger: *getting a little aggressive gesturing as if he wants to rush
me* "You sure? Just buy one man!"

Me: *a small smile appears on my face as I grip a Kimber Pro Series behind my back* "OKAY! How much are they?"

Stranger: "Only 9 dollars each!"

Me: "Well I don't have my nine on me...Got change for a FORTY FIVE?!" *as I click off the saftey hard enough for him to hear it through the small opening in the doorway*

Stranger: "Hey man, theres no such thing as a fort...oh." *eyes open wide and sweat begins trickling down his cheek*

:p

I'm so bored.

pax
April 17, 2009, 09:43 AM
The purpose of TFL is to advance the cause of responsible firearms ownership.

The purpose of the tactics & training forum on TFL is to discuss the tactics and training that might help keep a person safe from criminal attack and out of jail afterward.

Apparently the purpose of some posters in this thread is simply to amuse themselves with posturing and bluster.

That type of attitude doesn't belong here: either these types of posters are "just playing," in which case they should go play Counterstrike or something instead of posting on TFL; or they're serious, in which case it won't be long before we hear they're in jail for criminal stupidity with a firearm. In either case it doesn't belong here.

Closed.