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Hirlau
March 31, 2009, 12:35 AM
Disclaimer First:

I don't hunt anymore, not since I was 20. Don't agree on running dogs on hogs or maybe I'm not sure about it. :confused::confused:
Damn-it! I'm confused :mad: and HogDogs, you are to Blame:eek:

I just watched the video segments you posted about " Pig Bomb" , Thanks, and I had no idea about the seriousness of this problem; or should I say the EXCESS availability of Bar-B-Que Pork running around. I have found conflict between my moral values and my stomach.

So here is the question for this thread:
How safe is this meat(wild hogs)? Since this "Boom" in the last 15 years, can there be genetic concerns( in-breeding in a small area/county)? The hogs eat almost anything, right? Is this a concern? A steady dose of this Bar-B-Que over the years; is it safe?

One last question; do I use my 375 H&H, M-1 Garand or do I have to buy a special hog gun? :)

VaFisher
March 31, 2009, 06:48 AM
Dogs on any game should be the right of any hunter to chose his or her way dogs or not. We as hunters have no need to fight among ourselves on how we hunt. You say you havent hunted, I don't hunt anymore, not since I was 20. so why would you even bring up such for all to see. If you dont like it you do not have to do it but you have the right to hunt your way if you so chose.
No I do not hunt hogs with dogs but others have that right and I respect that for them and will not bash their way of hunting.

hogdogs
March 31, 2009, 07:14 AM
wild hogs can carry "cooties" but fully cooked using a meat thermometer assures your safety.
I refuse to hunt hogs that have any chance of using a dump as a feeding stop as they can get the bad human cooties from medical waste or other nasty stuff.
There are warnings that we need to wear rubber gloves when butchering wild swine but I never worried about it and I always end up with a few nicks cleaning them. Never so much as gas from eating too much...;):D
As was stated in a normally liberal agendized network documentary, hog doggin' is recognized as an effective control measure. I do not argue the dogs on game issues either and didn't when I was meeting with home owners associations. I stated my case and intentions to rid their neighborhood of dangerous (charging folks as they walked out for their mornin' paper or walkin' fluffy da' mutt) animals. If they didn't like the idea of doggin' them I would have them buy a thousand bucks worth of traps (4) and collect one little one at a time doing little to get the smarter older "trap shy" hogs.
Either gun you listed is fine.

YOU ARE INVITED to go on a hunt with dogs to see how, why and what we do.
I will answer any questions I can if you have more.
Brent

hogdogs
March 31, 2009, 07:21 AM
As for the boom and breeding, inbreeding is not a threat to their health or yours as they cover enuff ground and have enuff variety of breeds and genetics that they are constantly cross breeding with other herds, mixing sows from one to another herd and boars live solitary once full grown unless a sow is in heat and at this point boars from several original groups may battle for her. In any given area I have hunted we have a likelihood of black, red, belted (hampshire), piebald/spotted, blue and russian colored hogs, all in the same patch of woods.
Brent

simonkenton
March 31, 2009, 07:46 AM
Yours is an interesting question about what the hogs eat.
Yes, the wild hog will eat anything.
I have a buddy down in central Georgia who is a guide for crow hunts. Believe it or not, Jerry makes a lot of money guiding crow hunts.
Last year, he and his hunters killed 3,200 crows!
Jerry has a buddy who keeps a couple dozen hogs in a semi-wild environment, he has 20 acres of woods and swamps fenced in. He lets people "hunt" these pigs for 50 cents a pound.
At any rate, Jerry will swing by there after a crow hunt, and dump 120 freshly killed crows in the big hog pen.
He tells me that the hogs will eat every scrap, including feathers, beaks, and claws.
I have been down there hunting deer and real wild hogs a couple times, got shut out, and Jerry said we could go by this place and shoot one of these hogs in the pen.
I was tempted to do it as it is some pretty cheap pork, but, it grossed me out to think of eating a pig that had been eating entire crows.
I never took Jerry up on this offer but he said other guys have eaten these crow hogging pigs, and they taste fine.

hogdogs
March 31, 2009, 08:03 AM
Simon ain't joshin' no one either! It is common practice to toss deer leavings into the hog pens as well. With a full self feeder of corn they will still eat the deer parts. They leave the hide and skull but if they run out of corn, those too, get consumed eventually.:D
Brent

Hirlau
March 31, 2009, 10:40 AM
Thank you guys, for the information you provided. It has been a learning experience on this hunting hog issue.

As for VaFisher, you need to read the OP again after you have cooled off. I'm not bashing anyone or style of hunting. I have not hunted since 20 years, but asked the questions on the hunting forum, because I felt like it!

My Son is 11 years and talks about hunting now, due to the environment of the Bass Pro Shops we are in twice a week. I am considering this issue of hog hunting for his education, if that's O.K. with you, VaFisher?

VaFisher
March 31, 2009, 05:20 PM
I have no need to cool down, all I did was defend what I thought was bashing the hunting of hogs with dogs. I have gone back a read again and I agree I may have mis understood but the way you wrote it was misleading but I am not by any means bashing the way you write. I sincerely hope you teach your chrildren to respect everyones right to hunt they way they want to hunt with or withouit dogs and with their weapon of choice.

Nikop23
March 31, 2009, 05:27 PM
To answer your gun question, I use a 45-70

Brian Pfleuger
March 31, 2009, 06:17 PM
A steady dose of this Bar-B-Que over the years; is it safe?


Note the effect it has had on "hogdogs". Clearly, it is not safe.;):D

Hirlau
March 31, 2009, 06:51 PM
Thank You, VaFisher.

Hirlau
March 31, 2009, 06:53 PM
peetzakilla,
You just gave me a moment of Clarity!:eek:

sniperinky
March 31, 2009, 07:05 PM
Hunting anything with dogs is just ammorral. If you want to kill something have the balls to do it yourself. Sheesh!:rolleyes:

hogdogs
March 31, 2009, 07:06 PM
And goofy grins are another symptom... Here is junior and "CD" with the dogs and a very much alive pig...
http://i17.photobucket.com/albums/b81/caughthog/Picture052.jpg
Better hangin' out in the woods than the way many typical teens spend their evenings...
Brent

freakintoguns
March 31, 2009, 07:13 PM
i see no issue with havigna dog with you in the woods. wether hog huntin, camping, hiking, or hunting. most dogs are undyingly loyal to their owner and will defnd them til death. not to mention they make way better alarms then anythign else you can think of

Brian Pfleuger
March 31, 2009, 07:15 PM
peetzakilla,
You just gave me a moment of Clarity!


Take note of the above picture. It should solve any moral quandary... that pig is smilin' I tell ya. Look close, the pigs like it too.:D

Hirlau
March 31, 2009, 07:19 PM
Sniperinky,
First: Semper Fi;)

Second: Easy Boss, we just got things cooled down on this thread, after two days of fighting.

I doubt everyone here would agree on OUR tactics either, we may not be in the best position to judge on this one.

Let this one pass.

sniperinky
March 31, 2009, 07:33 PM
A private message from hotdogs

I have more balls than you know!
The dogs do not usually kill a pig... and I do kill the pigs myself! I stick a knife under the arm pit and swish it around until quarts of blood are spilling out! If you want to kill something you should it yourself and hands on and not use a "gas powered" shotgun!
Brent

maybe you should read rule #3.

Brian Pfleuger
March 31, 2009, 07:36 PM
maybe you should read rule #3.


Actually, rule threes says "If you have a problem with a Member's religion, creed, national origin, sex, politics, associations or personal hygiene, take it to email."

I'd say a PRIVATE message qualifies as "e-mail". Publishing said PRIVATE message on the open forum does not, however.


Funny thing about PRIVATE messages. It is extremely poor taste to make them PUBLIC.


Oddly enough, I don't see how his PRIVATE message would have violated any rule, had he chosen to publish it publicly.

freakintoguns
March 31, 2009, 07:45 PM
BBQed wild hog is effin good by the way. gotta uncle from TX that hunts damn near everyday and never buys beef. lemme tell ya, deer burgers are goddanged good, and wild hogs ribs are just as good!

hogdogs
March 31, 2009, 08:20 PM
Hey Freak-N-2,
So you may just like this little bugger!
http://i17.photobucket.com/albums/b81/caughthog/P2250570.jpg
Kinda like a personal size pig roast akin to a personal pan pizza...! Junior ate the whole thing minus a taste for me and the next day he assured me that "pork overdose" is a real condition with serious "repercussions":D:eek:
We don't waste any pigs we get if at all possible... Junior said it was the best eating meat he ever had and I must say it was mighty fine eatin' and had zero spices, herbs or anything added...

Brent

freakintoguns
March 31, 2009, 08:27 PM
very nice HD!

B. Lahey
March 31, 2009, 08:30 PM
Heck yeah, the little piggies are delicious.

FrontSight
April 1, 2009, 02:09 AM
"Dey will go through BONNNE, like buhtah! So be very wary of any man who keeps a pig fahm!"

And that movie quote is the gosh darned truth, too.

When I was 7 and visiting my relatives in Italy, I came across a domestic pig in a cinderblock pen. Being 7, I wanted to play with and feed the piggy. Not having any real food, I peeled off a little chunk of mortar from the pen wall abot the size of a marble and tossed it into the pen.

God's honest truth, the pig ATE the piece of mortar. a.k.a. Cement. a.k.a. A rock.

He ATE it!!

Chewed it, crunchy as you can imagine, swallowed, and looked at me as if to say "mmm, thanks, got any more?"

simonkenton
April 1, 2009, 11:02 AM
In The Canterbury Tales Chaucer has a line about a hog wandering into a house, and eating a baby from the cradle.

hogdogs
April 1, 2009, 11:28 AM
While it may be just southern lore, it is a repeated story of "revenuers" bein' fed to the hogs.
It is fact that the bigger moon shine stills had hog pens nearby as the sour mash pulp was fed to them to get rid of it and the hog pen stink masked the smell of moonshine making...
Food for thought...:D
Brent

JustKev55
April 1, 2009, 11:30 AM
Hey hogdogs,

If I trash the way you hunt hogs, can I get an invite to join you?

Will ya pay my way down and back too?

hogdogs
April 1, 2009, 11:41 AM
Trashin in a nice way is fine as is a debate albeit a bit heated... But utter meanness may git ya fed to the hogs;):D... I don't pay the way but unless you insist on stayin' in a motel and not comin' by the house, we will feed ya'...
Brent

Huey Long
April 1, 2009, 12:06 PM
The hogs eat almost anything, right?

Yes, but have you ever seen what's fed to domestic pigs? They don't call it "slop" for nothing.

is it safe?

Yes, just make sure it's cooked thoroughly, or you can get trichinosis.

hogdogs
April 1, 2009, 12:20 PM
http://www.northfloridanewsdaily.com/News/2008/0915/outdoors/155.html
Here ya go... don't let this scare you off as farm pork can have the same issues and all pork is safe if fully cooked... Keep in mind that it was barnyard swine that caused us to realize we can't feel safe eating rare pork.
Brent

ZeroJunk
April 1, 2009, 01:09 PM
Trichinosis has been around forever. May be the reason some cultures doe't eat pork. Certainly the reason pork is never eaten rare. But, the hog has to eat meat to complete the life cycle and since nobody feeds domestic pigs meat anymore it's pretty much gone. I did have a neighbor get it about 40 years ago.

If a wild pig has access to raw meat then make sure it's cooked done.

FrontSight
April 1, 2009, 03:49 PM
A lot of cases of Trichinosis are found in Asian people who move to the New World, as pork is often consumed raw in Asia because Trichinosis does not exist there (or is extremely rare).