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KC Rob
March 28, 2009, 06:13 PM
Carry your gun.

I admit that I sometimes get lazy and don't carry when I leave the house. I'll give myself the old "I'm just running to the store real quick" excuse or come up with another reason why I don't need to have a gun with me.

This really hit home last week when a gentleman in my neighborhood was murdered on his morning walk. For those of you in the No. VA area, I am sure you heard about this. Basically a gentleman in his late 50's, former Green Beret and concealed carry permit holder was walking with his wife in Loudoun county VA, about as crime free, upscale neighborhood as you could find (Loudoun county is the 2nd richest county in the U.S. right behind neighboring Fairfax Co.) when he was attacked by several thugs for unknown reasons. He was beaten to death and his wife was so severely beaten she has not yet been able to speak and was in critical condition last I heard. It was around 5:30am on a walking path alongside a major road and right alongside homes. In fact the police were called because people in those homes could hear the fighting. The police arrived to find him dead and his wife on the opposite side of the 4 lane road where she had run to escape to the assault before she collapsed in the back yard of a home after scaling a 4 foot fence. Police are saying they have no leads, no motive and it appears to be completely random. It happened about 2 blocks from my house. No one knows what exactly went down but I have to believe that if he had been carrying his weapon there is a chance things would have ended up differently.

So, I am going to stop making excuses and carry my weapon every time when I leave the home so that my wife doesn't have to explain to my kids why daddy is not coming home. It just goes to show that there is no such thing as a "bad neighborhood", if it can happen here, it can happen any where.

georgiaboy47
March 28, 2009, 06:21 PM
While I don't know the area or know anyone from that area, it does hit home a little bit. Usually people don't do something cause they never think it will happen to them. We all need to be in this mindset or else more crimes will be committed.

chemgirlie
March 28, 2009, 06:29 PM
Everything does seem so far away and surreal in the media until it actually affects you. Just last year there was a woman my age who was brutally stabbed/beaten to death just a few blocks away from where I lived at the time. Scary part is that they still haven't caught the person who did it, nor do they seem to have any ideas as to who it was.

orionengnr
March 28, 2009, 06:30 PM
One of the guys on the TX CHL forum has a sig line which reads: "Carry 24/7 or guess right."

Can't put it any better than that.

BMSMA
March 28, 2009, 06:33 PM
"Be prepared."

That's the motto I live by.

cracked91
March 28, 2009, 06:47 PM
carry a gun of decent potency that holds alot of bullets, and try to recognize the threat before it hits you, 7 or 8 people could easily rush you, not that they would, if you were just carrying a 5 shot snubby. I don't frown on that at all, and in this case it would have saved his life, I just prefer room for error

andyjs3589
March 28, 2009, 08:14 PM
I am only 20 so I don't have my ccw permit yet. I plan on carrying everywhere I am legally allowed to. While I wish that I will never have to use it I will still carry it. It is the same reason I wear a seatbelt, never think/wish I am going to need it. But just in case I need it I am prepared.

MrClean
March 28, 2009, 08:40 PM
Wow. That does hit close to home for me. My in-laws live in Fairfax county... a small little quaint town called Clifton. Just goes to show us all.... we live in a false sense of security/reality at times. :(

skydiver3346
March 28, 2009, 08:43 PM
This is so very tragic. Out and out murder. When a man can't go for a nice walk with his wife (anywhere for that matter) without being killed by a bunch of low life dirt bags, then you know there is definitely something wrong with our society. This really ****** me off reading this. So much so I can't describe it (as I was once a Special Forces soldier myself). Maybe we lose lives in combat from time to time, but this is so different. Just taking a stroll and the beat your brains out for what????
Yes, sometimes I must admit I don't carry (when maybe I should) but this is a stark reminder that we have to be aware, alert and ready to defend ourself and our loved ones 24/7, no matter where you are these days. I will be!

Keltyke
March 28, 2009, 08:57 PM
First rule of a gunfight - bring a gun.

kno3mike
March 28, 2009, 11:56 PM
Hope they catch and burn the vermin....my handgun is like my American Express card....never leave home without it....

Radioman
March 29, 2009, 12:10 AM
Don't be afraid to use it when the time comes

Its been said many a time and it needs to be said many more times to make sure everyone knows it. If you choose to carry be ready and willing to accept that someday you might just have to pull it and use it. This includes all the legal and emotional issues that will follow a self defense shooting.

Radioman

davem
March 29, 2009, 12:32 AM
So......why don't some of you guys carry if you are licensed? My problem is I live in the sunbelt, really hot weather so the average garb is a golf shirt sneakers, and either long pants or shorts. I hate wearing a shirt on the outside of my pants- which in a hot climate is about your only option- you can then wear an in-the-pants holster.
A shoulder rig- shows through a light weight shirt.
Ankle holster- a PITA to wear.
I have never really solved this problem, I've thought about a leather lined pocket on my pants with a Velcro top or zipper or some other arrangement but so far nothing seems to work well.
Any suggestions welcomed.
I think the reason a lot of us leave the gun at home is that we haven't figured out a workable carry mode.

cz223
March 29, 2009, 07:34 AM
Yes, carrying a full sized gun and a couple of spare mags is a PITA. Carrying a Ruger LCP, or a Kel-Tech is not, even when wearing just shorts. I put mine in my left front pocket every morning when I get up and it stays there until I go to bed. It is even there when I am wearing my Glock 23 and spare mags, which is about %80 of the time. The type of pants/shorts you wear can make a big difference when lugging a gun/gear around all day. Not everyone can wear jeans to work but there a lot of Cargo style pants, and shorts, out there that will work for many that work in an office that offer more room in the pockets and more of them.

Double Naught Spy
March 29, 2009, 07:58 AM
So......why don't some of you guys carry if you are licensed? My problem is ...

Search the forum for summer carry options. Realize that you may have to make some changes in your life in order to carry. If your posts reflects your actual perspective, then you may not yet be very serious about the concept of concealed carry.

Deet
March 29, 2009, 08:39 AM
Hot weather only affects how I carry, not if I carry. A small pocket gun can always be carried no matter what the temperature.

davem
March 29, 2009, 08:47 AM
Thanks for the feedback to all but I was hoping for some specific info. The left front pocket, if you tuck in your shirt won't the handle of the gun be visible? The big baggy pants or the casual shirt worn outside the pants- that's okay for a day off of work when you can wear such garb but sometimes you have to have a shirt tucked into the pants. I've been thinking about making something myself- sort of a spandex waist band with a holster that's worn over your undershirt/underpants, then you put on your pants and tuck in your shirt - to access the gun you would need to un-button one button on your shirt- reach inside. Has anyone tried anything similar to that and how well did it work?
The other option I've thought about is a cell phone carrier- you see people with them on their belts- maybe get one that could handle a small pistol.
In any event, if any of you live in a hot climate- what do you do?

jpoolsmyd2
March 29, 2009, 08:48 AM
Damn Buzz, I didn't know that guy was a CHP holder!!

I know that area of VA well - Landsdowne. It is a pretty upscale community and very very safe. I have many co-workers who live there. I have been to dinners at their houses in that community.

The scary think is that it reminds me of my own community. I am going to rethink my routine when leaving the house from now on. This is a reminder that terrible things can happen ANYWHERE. In fact, I'm not surprised that upscale neighborhoods are being targeted. More money, less percieved threat... If I were a criminal perhaps I would target these areas, too.

Anyway, thanks for the post. As a fellow NoVA resident I will change the way I view safe areas and alter my carry strategy accordingly.

JustKev55
March 29, 2009, 08:57 AM
I can't carry concealed where I work and I can get terminated for even having a firearm in my vehicle on company property so five days a week I am unarmed. I've got a shoulder rig for my BH but a large frame revolver with a 6 1/2" barrel isn't going to conceal in warm weather. Ain't gonna happen. Fortunately for me, I live in Maine where the crime level isn't what it seems to be growing to south of here. At the same time, we've had home invasions where unspeakable things have happened to elderly, children and mentally challenged so the crimes we used to just read about from the big cities are coming our way. I haven't gotten a CCP yet, only want it for the BH so I can carry when hunting and won't have to load/unload as I get in and out of my truck. I can see where I might have to bite the bullet (as the saying goes) and get a more concealable handgun and get the CCP just so I'll have the means available to protect me and mine.

Makes me sick to think it's necessary, but I'd rather be sick than dead. :barf:

LightningJoe
March 29, 2009, 09:15 AM
I think the reason a lot of us leave the gun at home is that we haven't figured out a workable carry mode.


I live in Texas where it is literally hot as hell. I recommend strong-side front pocket carry all year round. This carry mode has significant tactical advantages and it also allows you to wear shorts and a tee shirt.


Pocket carry will rule out a 1911 with a 5" barrel. I've found an aluminum-framed, snubnose .38 works best for me. Some like small automatics, but I find they print, unless you have a really good holster. Then, they still print, but they look like a really good holster instead of a gun. My conclusion: If you're thinking about pocket-carrying something the size of a PPK, you might as well carry a Glock 20 in a fanny pack.


Really, really small automatics are a different story; you can pocket carry something like an LCP.


But, all things considered, I think a snub in the pocket is best.

mrt949
March 29, 2009, 09:19 AM
I carry every day .I feel naked without .It is the best habbit to get into. The one time you forget you will need it GOD FORBID. BUT IF YOU HAVE IT THATS WHAT COUNTS.

hkguy
March 29, 2009, 09:23 AM
If you have the option to conceal carry, there is the option (in most states) to open carry. For those in the hot weather, let the scum know to let this one go.

2cooltoolz
March 29, 2009, 09:31 AM
It's already in my pocket. I keep my LCP or PM9 in my pocket when I'm watching TV! If I leave the house it's the PM9, or occasionally an S&W 442. Everytime. Nobody calls me paranoid, because nobody knows. But you guys and my wife.

skydiver3346
March 29, 2009, 10:14 AM
I too live in sunny Florida and its hard conceal carry a larger gun on you when its really hot weather, etc. I recently purchased a very small and lightweight "Mouse" type weapon (Rohrbaugh .380) to help address this concern. It is extremely reliable, accurate and lightweight. It fits in my front right side pocket easily and does not pull down my shorts like a heavier gun would. The Keltec, Ruger LCP and others similar in size are good choices for you. Bottom line, It may not be my preferred .45 auto but I feel I need to carry a gun of some kind (which is better than nothing at all when and if the time ever comes to defend yourself/family).

LightningJoe
March 29, 2009, 10:53 AM
I recently purchased a very small and lightweight "Mouse" type weapon (Rohrbaugh .380) to help address this concern.


You're putting .380 Auto in your Rohrbaugh?

Wagonman
March 29, 2009, 12:22 PM
Like some wise poster said if I am wearing pants I am carrying. In the summer, hell most of the I carry in a fanny pack because I just don't care about fashion and I put my SA above any BGs.


Although, I rarely wear underwear and when I do it's usually something unusual.

riddleofsteel
March 29, 2009, 12:23 PM
During the Middle Ages, probably one of the biggest mistakes was not putting on your armor because you were "just going down to the corner."

Jack Handey

LOL;)

Double Naught Spy
March 29, 2009, 12:24 PM
I am sure he does if it is a Rohrbaugh .380

http://www.gunbroker.com/Auction/ViewItem.asp?Item=125367353

If you have the option to conceal carry, there is the option (in most states) to open carry. For those in the hot weather, let the scum know to let this one go.

It might be an option in some, but not most.

Thanks for the feedback to all but I was hoping for some specific info.
Sorry, I didn't provide you the easy answer you wanted. I figure that is pretty much a personal decision and that you would be better served by getting a variety of opinions already expressed on this forum. I know searching, reading, and evaluating for yourself can be hard work.

Glockeroo
March 29, 2009, 01:00 PM
I learned this hard lesson myself one day. I had an encounter with a male who was going to rob me, but I gave the impression I had a weapon on me. When he saw me in a defensive mode, he quickly changed his approach and then asked me for directions. Little did he know there was a sign right above us with the correct directions. I had decided to leave my weapon home that day because I was going on a route where I didn't think I needed it. I will never do that again.

Or another general rule of thumb - "Better to have it and not need it, then to need it and not have it."

BlueTrain
March 29, 2009, 03:00 PM
I live in Fairfax County, too, but I have no carry license. But it is also forbidden to have a firearm (the rule might say "weapon") at work, so given that I hardly go anywhere else, I really don't feel the need anyway. This is not to say I don't see the utility of having a gun sometimes and I do have a dozen or so, just like everyone else here, apparently. But we all draw on our own experiences and no one elses. Then, too, we generally have some control over what experiences we have to begin with. By the way, there was a murder here in the county a few years ago with a single shot pistol. That has to be remarkable.

Although I mentioned the no weapons at work thing, we do have two employees who have mounted animal heads on their walls and two people who used to work for the NRA, which is just up the road from where we work. Mind you, these people are hunting enthusiasts, not gun enthusiasts. One even managed to bag a deer from the loading dock. My boss, on the other hand, neither a hunting enthusiast nor a gun enthusiast (even though he grew up in Northern Rhodesia) has bagged three or four deer with his car. Not bad!

Dwight55
March 29, 2009, 03:24 PM
davem, . . . just a suggestion, . . . born out of my personal decision to carry something other than a mouse gun, . . . how about a pair of cargo shorts?

Cut the back out of the pocket on the leg you need, . . . put a thigh holster on under the cargo shorts, . . . access it through the top of the pocket, . . . you can carry a Desert Eagle there and few folks would ever know.

I am aware that I don't have your problem, . . . but when it gets hot here in Ohio, . . . I still wear my jeans and carry my full size, all steel, 1911, . . . and sometimes it is in my tuckable IWB that allows me to carry it that way. For me it is just two concepts: 1) the decision to carry the 1911, and 2) the mindset that helps me dress around my decision.

May God bless,
Dwight

skydiver3346
March 29, 2009, 03:40 PM
Yep, its the best little carry gun for your front or back pocket you can find nowadays in my opinion. Lightweight, accurate and ready to use in a moment's notice. Works great in sunny, hot weather situations (shorts).

KC Rob
March 29, 2009, 05:59 PM
Damn Buzz, I didn't know that guy was a CHP holder!!

That is how they ID'ed him, his fingerprints from his CCW license application.


I live in Fairfax County, too, but I have no carry license...I really don't feel the need anyway.

I'm pretty sure the guy who was killed didn't feel the need either. I'm not giving you a hard time, you are a better judge of your safety than anyone else but I can assure you that having a guy beat to death by a gang of miscreants in front of a $750k house 2 blocks from where I lay my head can really adjust my idea of my personal safety and "safe neighborhoods".

mrt949
March 29, 2009, 06:30 PM
ROHRBAUGH is chambered in 9mm and 380 acp. They had them at the shot show in orlando .A verry well made firearm first class.:D

jughead2
March 29, 2009, 06:37 PM
i had the sad experience of my moms funeral this week. i always carry in a shoulder holster. a friend told a friend i cant believe he doesnt have that weapon. i knew the hugs would be frequent. needless to say i was carrying and this close friend didnt know it. 24/7 always. arms reach as i type this. take NO chances

TridentOne
March 29, 2009, 06:42 PM
Cut the back out of the pocket on the leg you need, . . . put a thigh holster on under the cargo shorts, . . . access it through the top of the pocket, . . . you can carry a Desert Eagle there and few folks would ever know.

Umm, how is this the first I have ever heard of this great idea?

jpoolsmyd2
March 29, 2009, 07:17 PM
One even managed to bag a deer from the loading dock.

I'm pretty familiar with the part of Fairfax off Waples Mill where NRA HQ is. As far as I know there aren't too many places to shoot deer in that area. It's all residential, no?

Anyway, to the OP, makes sense that they ID'ed the guy based on his fingerprints from CHP. Although in FFX county no fingerprints required.

TridentOne
March 29, 2009, 08:01 PM
In researching thigh holsters this is from the Galco website.

"How do I draw my firearm?
If you are wearing long pants the firearm may be drawn through the fly zipper. Shorts, skirts and dresses can simply be lifted to draw the firearm."

Unzip my fly to draw? Is that legal in IDPA?

Only S&W and Me
March 29, 2009, 08:11 PM
Try SmartCarry....just got mine...just working with in the bathroom mirror recently to get the right pant/short to wear with. It actually is pretty comfotable being right over the groin area.

LoneWolf22056
March 29, 2009, 08:13 PM
lifting a skirt to draw...

i wish some of the girls i know would start carrying.

OLNfan
March 29, 2009, 08:20 PM
holy if I had the chance to conceal carry I would never leave the house with it!! To bad Canada doesnt allow us to.

cavymeister
March 29, 2009, 09:15 PM
Davem,

You should look in to crossbreed, or kholster. They are tuckable IWB holsters. That should solve most of your issues. I typically carry a 2" J frame in my pocket. It's light, less obtrusive than my wallet, and I can wear it with almost anything I typically wear.

davem
March 29, 2009, 10:51 PM
Well thanks to all for the help. I noticed no one used an ankle holster. I think I'll work out some sort on an inside the waist band deal were maybe I can slit the side on my shirt for the clip and then tuck in the shirt. In any event it's interesting to see that others have the same issue.

BlueTrain
March 30, 2009, 07:17 AM
First, to jpoolsmyd2, I actually work in Chantilly, which might be a stretch, honestly, to say the NRA is just up the road from here, and it's more like six or eight miles. The NRA building is actually right beside I-66 and it isn't entirely residential. The area where I've worked for nearly 10 years is on out route 50 right beside route 28. There are woods between this building and a residential development to the east. There is a lot of building going on just south of this building but I suspect it's on hold for the moment. Anyway, the deer was taken with a bow and he's taken deer, also with a bow, within sight of the beltway. Or so he says. I live much closer in myself and I frequently see deer around the house. In fact, I've seen more wild animals around the house than I have anywhere in West Virginia, where I'm from.

Second, to Buzz Kill, I try not to float around totally unaware of my surroundings. I avoid gangs of miscreants and so far, knock on wood, I have. I also do not live in a neighborhood of $750M houses, either. I don't go to bars, I don't go out at night, I lock the doors and I don't mess with other men's wives. I am reminded here of when some magazine writer tried to get Jeff Cooper to give his preference of a concealed weapon for when he went in places that might be dangerous. His answer: "I don't go in places like that!"

But don't get me wrong. I see no reason not to go armed if you feel the need, and apparently there are many here who would irregardless of the legality of the matter. My father used to carry a pistol before the war, though I have no idea how it was carried, but he thought it was worthwhile. He had no firearm when I was little but we lived in town. When we moved to the country in 1963, he eventually got one. An H&R eight-shot .22 revolver.

I have known about six or seven people who were killed with firearms, all in West Virginia.

KC Rob
March 30, 2009, 07:32 AM
BlueTrain, I have hunted in Chantilly with a bow before as well. Right off of Rte. 28 across from the airport at Franklin Farm Road there is a huge undeveloped plot of land that I was given permission to hunt. It was weird hunting right along side the highway and with planes flying overhead but it was full of deer. I stopped hunting there because migrant workers were camping there and I had several close encounters that creeped me out. Drug use, drinking and other things going on in the woods around you makes you pretty nervous when you are hunting with just a bow and arrow!

jpoolsmyd2
March 30, 2009, 09:02 PM
Bluetrain, Chantilly makes sense. There are still lots of large lots of undeveloped land out there by Dulles. That's nice that there are people out there that still let people hunt their land in this area.

Mike in VA
March 30, 2009, 09:34 PM
Bad ju-ju can happen anywhere. When I lived in Falls Church just off Rt 7 & Idyllwood, one of my neighbors asked why I carried. I explained that although it was a nice, safe neighborhood, within a one mile radius of where we stood there had been a carjacking and a couple of attempted rapes at the Metro station, a murder at the apt complex behind the Giant food store, a drive-by at Geo Mason HS, a home invasion behind there, 4 registered sex offenders in Pimmit Hills, and a warm burglary 2 blocks away in the last year.

re: deer - there are more deer in Ffx Co now than when the white man came to this country - it wasn't unusual to see them on the front lawn in the early AM, we had an 8 pt in the back yard on Xmas eve a couple years ago. Theonly enemy they have is the automobile.

We moved to Santa Fe in the summer of '06, which is a pretty up-scale town, but with a significant gap between the 'haves' and have-nots' and a fair amount of Hispanic gang activity. SF is a small city (~70k pop.) so whe stuff happens, it's never very far away. Though a good weekend in DC beats the annual murder rate here, ther is a lot of petty theft, B&E and some aggraveted assault beyond what the gang-bangers do to each other.

Chance favors the prepared [mind], as one never knows, does one?

TxPhantom
March 30, 2009, 09:51 PM
When we take a walk in our neighborhood (even though we live in a fairly upscale area) I always carry, usually my little 442 snubbie. But a word of caution, don't forget to take your CHL license with you, just in case. In Texas you gotta have it with you when armed and it's probably the same in other states.:eek:

Mike in VA
March 31, 2009, 11:15 AM
don't forget to take your CHL license with you, just in case. In Texas you gotta have it with you when armed

It's the same in VA & NM . . .

mnhntr
March 31, 2009, 12:11 PM
So......why don't some of you guys carry if you are licensed? My problem is I live in the sunbelt, really hot weather so the average garb is a golf shirt sneakers, and either long pants or shorts. I hate wearing a shirt on the outside of my pants- which in a hot climate is about your only option- you can then wear an in-the-pants holster.
A shoulder rig- shows through a light weight shirt.
Ankle holster- a PITA to wear.
I have never really solved this problem, I've thought about a leather lined pocket on my pants with a Velcro top or zipper or some other arrangement but so far nothing seems to work well.
Any suggestions welcomed.
I think the reason a lot of us leave the gun at home is that we haven't figured out a workable carry mode
I wore shirts made by PFG and Columbia when fishing in the summer in FL. they are very light and comfortable, and cover a holster very well.

Glenn E. Meyer
March 31, 2009, 02:17 PM
In researching thigh holsters this is from the Galco website.

"How do I draw my firearm?
If you are wearing long pants the firearm may be drawn through the fly zipper. Shorts, skirts and dresses can simply be lifted to draw the firearm."

Unzip my fly to draw? Is that legal in IDPA?
__________________

Only if you put your weapon in the box first to check its size. :eek:

Or get one of the tactical kilts I've seen.

guns and more
March 31, 2009, 02:41 PM
What's missing in the original story is that the victim was ex-CIA.
Random killing? We'll never know.

KC Rob
March 31, 2009, 05:16 PM
He was not ex-CIA, he had possible connections with CIA, meaning he had contracted or consulted for the CIA at some point. If you live in No. VA and have NOT worked with the CIA in some capacity your are the exception, not the norm. If you are implying that this could have been some kind of hit I think you are mistaken. Police released info that it could have been as many of 5 assailants that beat this guy to death. A hitman would have put a .22 behind the ear while the guy was sleeping, not beat him to death in broad daylight and left enough DNA and physical evidence behind to convict him if they ever catch him. My dad is retired CIA with 25 years of service and I am a Federal contractor so I am pretty plugged into the network and the reality of espionage and "black ops" are very different from the Bourne trilogy and Oliver Stone movies. This was not a hit, IMEO.

edistomick
March 31, 2009, 08:27 PM
Davem,

KelTec, Ruger, etc. .380 with cheap Uncle Mike's pocket holster (sticky stuff on outside of holster so it stays in pocket when you draw, and doesn't print, just looks like a thin wallet) is just the ticket to carry when wearing anything but undies. It eliminates the excuses.
Strong side front pocket or strong side rear pocket. I carry my moneyclip in front pocket and firearm in rear pocket. This way, if a BG asks for my wallet, I could just pull my .380 if needed.
There are also IWB tuckable holsters (gotta Galco) so you can IWB and tuck/blouse shirt (requires two-handed draw--weak side to lift shirt and strong side to draw).
With so many options out there, there really isn't a reason to not carry when dressed.
I carry to protect myself and my loved ones. If I neglected to carry and one of my loved ones suffered because of it.........I don't know.
A little inconvenience on my part is worth it----everytime.

The odds of needing a firearm may be small but the cost is too high.

djohn
March 31, 2009, 08:54 PM
What a wondefull world will live in and Very traggic indeed.I say foregt jail that us tax payers pay for there free room and board and get to lift weights,read books even get jobs in prison that they get paid for.I say gather them all up put them in outside fenced area and call for a airstrike and drop the bomb on them.

davem
April 1, 2009, 12:57 PM
I just checked out the you tube on the Rohrbaugh 9m and I think my problem is too large a gun for the clothes I'm wearing. That smaller pistol can easily fit in the front pants pocket- maybe just add a handkerchief over the top. It's not a 1911 but then again a 1911 isn't any good if its at home. I'm also pretty handy with making things of leather- maybe a holster with high flaps that cover the top of the gun, the holster cut to match a pocket.

relee
April 1, 2009, 11:27 PM
I live in Fla. and use a LCP in a Mika pocket holster, front right pocket, no printing and nobody is the wiser. Use a velcro flap cell phone holder on your belt to carry 2 extra mags if needed. Good hot weather setup, quick access, reasonable firepower...

Bob

shep854
April 4, 2009, 10:36 PM
For Davem: I carry a Kel-Tec PF9 (a 9mm pistol) in my right front pocket using a pocket holster. Wearing loose ("Dockers"-style) slacks or cargo trousers, the pistol simply disappears. As far as I know, I have never been "made" while pocket carrying, and I likely would have heard something had that happened.

Hokie
April 6, 2009, 10:56 PM
Semi-autos will print in a hip pocket, but with the right sheath a small one goes very nicely into cargo pockets (the trick is to get the pockets that are more "decorative" and only designed to expand a little bit).

If you're wearing tucked button-up shirts, I actually had an idea of getting very small magnets and sewing them into the placket of the shirt (I'd get a tailor to do this, though) and then sewing the buttons to the opposite side. It'd hold the front shut but also give as soon as you stuck your hand in to reach a belly band. If you're thin or in athletic shape, you may have a hollow on the outside of your butt where a small gun can sit below the waistline of your pants. The earlier example of cutting out the inside of a pocket is great, too; I'd just suggest cutting from the top, rather than the bottom, so it still functions as a pocket. The Scots used to keep a holdout dagger in their armpit; you can get something in there.

Having a gun is better than not having a gun. A Mini-Revolver in the pocket or P-3AT in an ankle holster beats nothing at all. There are ways out there if you get creative!

shep854
April 7, 2009, 06:44 AM
You can also use velcro tabs for the same purpose Hokie suggested magnets.

Joe Mamma
April 7, 2009, 12:30 PM
Can someone provide a link to the news story? Thanks.

Joe Mamma

Ike1371
April 9, 2009, 12:32 PM
I hope they catch the bad guys and put it to them. Always stay prepared for anything.

Ben
April 9, 2009, 01:30 PM
I know that a lot of people feel that it couldn't happen to THEM. I'm a police officer and see it happen to THEM on a daily basis. In fact, I'm married to one of THEM. However, she no longer accepts being one of THEM. Soon-to-be victims are are everywhere. Nobody's exempt.

Ben

quinn2187
April 10, 2009, 05:48 PM
i carry a s&w .38+p in my front right pants pocket of many diferent styles of pants and shorts, never have a problem. they have great inside pocket holsters, i have a desentis. if that doesnt work and you want to tuck in your shirt you could try a belly band. wraps around your belly and you tuck your shirt over it. simply pull your shirt out and you have access to you gun. might be a bit uncomfortable in warm weather though.

Descendant
April 11, 2009, 12:59 PM
Buzz Kill, you are living up to your handle. Thanks for waking me up about the dangers we think we may not face. I live in Oregon (not Portland) and just yesterday I was thinking "do I really need to carry, nothing is going to happen around here". I'm never leaving home w/out my Snub or 1911.
Kudos to Dwight55-great idea that I've never heard of...
However; like JustKev55 and others, my employment would be terminated if I carried or even had a weapon in my auto. Now I am really in a pickle. I may just risk it and keep a piece in my car.

shep854
April 11, 2009, 01:23 PM
Descendant, you might also start quietly looking for another job, where they don't have such draconian rules.

TxPhantom
April 11, 2009, 03:36 PM
If anyone thinks there is no danger out there, just watch some of those prison documentaries and how the gangs operate. Just imagine one of those tatted up, muderous, beasts loose in your home or meeting you on the street. Then there are the hopped up crack addicts to contend with. Makes me want to barricade my house and carry several guns!:eek:

tblt44
April 11, 2009, 03:38 PM
Thats why I got my LCP my go with me anywhere gun

45reloader
April 12, 2009, 08:02 AM
I am shocked at how many men won't put up with a little discomfort in order to protect themselves and family.

1. pocket pistols
http://www.desantisholster.com/storefrontB2CWEB/browse.do?action=refresh_browse&ctg_id=4204
2. fanny packs made for guns
http://www.desantisholster.com/storefrontB2CWEB/itemdetail.do?action=prepare_detail&itm_id=2135&itm_index=0
3. deep carry holsters like these
http://www.desantisholster.com/storefrontB2CWEB/itemdetail.do?action=prepare_detail&itm_id=6103&itm_index=0
http://www.fist-inc.com/holsters/holster/3.htm
http://www.desantisholster.com/storefrontB2CWEB/itemdetail.do?action=prepare_detail&itm_id=5880&itm_index=1
4. belly bands you wear very low a your belt line to hide the whole gun and rig.
http://www.desantisholster.com/storefrontB2CWEB/itemdetail.do?action=prepare_detail&itm_id=6989&itm_index=0

Come on guys we all you to watching each others backs out there.

This FIST holster would fit anyone's needs check out the video and remember you can even put the clip under your belt.I wear mine in the 5 o'clock position. you can leave just that small part of your shirt untucked and even tuck the shirt under the clip to hold your shirt down.
http://www.fist-inc.com/holsters/holster/3.htm

Pilot
April 12, 2009, 08:18 AM
If you don't feel comfortable carrying in summer clothing, get a little pocket gun. An S&W 642, Keltec, Ruger LCP, etc. Just have something that goes bang to scare the hell out of these thugs.

Brit
April 16, 2009, 07:04 AM
A friend was employed by a Police Force, as a Det. Sgt. He used to say he was not part of the real Police (he was boss of a protection detail for a man who was a politician) and never attended a Police Station.

Things changed for him when a female moved in with the boss, a Wife! So now two female Officers were added to the team, Bill (real name, now retired) asked me to drop in and talk to these two Ladies, he was not happy with the way they were carrying the issued pistol.

Pistol, P7 9mm H&K, and one spare Magazine, mode of carry, both of them, a shoulder hung purse. They both used the Subway a lot, my question, "What form do you fill out, when a thief cuts your strap, and heads out on his sneakers, with Gun and badge?" "You following in your heels?"

My advice then and now, you have to dress armed! Pistol must be on person. Whole new wardrobe change, worth it, a great job.
That was not the US of A.

Florida, retired, me! Light weight cargo pants, always, Florida shirts, hang outside the pants, Glock 19, spare G17 mag; flashlight, all the time, 24/7.
Want to look smart, Guyabara shirts, expensive, look good.

You don't like shirts that hang out? Don't ever get attacked by 5 men! Oh it can not happen to you? oh yes it can, it did, and my wee house did not cost $174K. I give good advice (ask my Grand Son) "Dress Armed" good advice.

Daugherty16
April 16, 2009, 01:06 PM
This was just an awful story. Maybe worst of all - what the heck were murderous thugs doing out and about at 5:30 am?

I am in CT. We have had a recent spate of home invasions, the worst of which was widely publicized 2 years ago when the BG raped and strangled the wife and 2daughters, then burnt the house down. That was less than 20 minutes from my house. Since then there have been 3 actual home invasions in my "safe" upscale town. One perp actually admitted going there because "that's where the rich white folks are at." It's not about color, obviously; it's targeted because of resident's relatively high income, valuable possessions, and the perp's total disregard for the rule of law or the value of life.

I've been CCW for about 2 years now. Notice the coincidence? i try to carry everywhere, all the time, even working around the house. My wife remains in denial and thinks i'm paranoid. I hope it never happens, but if it does, i'll be strapped and as ready as i can be.

Gregory Gauvin
April 16, 2009, 08:16 PM
I haven't actually seen targets like this yet, but think it might help train for a SD situation. Instead of the traditional body silhouette, have printed CIVIL LAWSUIT, and you have to shoot in the dots for the i's.

Ben
April 16, 2009, 09:14 PM
Gregory Gauvin,

Civil Suit?

I guess SOMEBODY has to be the victim.
Ben

stewart1
April 16, 2009, 09:45 PM
smart carry, I carry a p-11 w/extra mag. not noticeable with running shorts and no shirt. :)

ChCx91
April 17, 2009, 06:26 AM
I have a Glock 29 + extra mag in an IWB holster at ALL given times when I am OUTSIDE of the house. Inside the house, the possibilities are endless. When I am naked in the bathroom, anything from a Kel Tec P-11 to a Ruger Super Redhawk .454 Casull could be sitting in the drawer next to the sink. When I am sleeping there is a pistol approximately 2 feet away from my shoulder, some sort of long gun within 2 steps and 2 sets of level III body armor + a level V trauma plate hanging on my closet door which I think is about 2 steps away as well. :)

There is no such thing as a "routine walk outside." Every place on this Earth can present a deadly threat at any given time, even IN YOUR OWN HOME. BE ALERT.

GET A HIGH QUALITY SECURITY SYSTEM INSTALLED IN YOUR HOME. GET A NICE, BIG DOG; HELL, GET 2 NICE, BIG DOGS. INSTALL MOTION DETECTING LIGHTS ALL AROUND YOUR HOUSE. POST SIGNS EVERYWHERE THAT SAY "NO TRESPASSING" "BEWARE OF DOG(S)." TAPE UP YOUR BEST TARGETS FROM YOUR LAST RANGE TRIP ON ALL THE DOORS ON YOUR HOME.