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hogdogs
March 24, 2009, 11:20 AM
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=og5rKt9VYX0&feature=related
Not me or anyone I know but like bears with cubs hogs are defensive/offensive when the squeal is real...
No injuries or blood and gore but this is about how we do it here too but never a camera guy around...
Brent

Shane Tuttle
March 24, 2009, 08:16 PM
How are the dogs used? I've never seen hog dogging in action and didn't know if they're used like a lab to help retrieve, a pointer to locate, or a hound to flush out...

OLNfan
March 24, 2009, 08:48 PM
Thats somthin else!

hogdogs
March 24, 2009, 09:20 PM
For the type hunt we do we have 2 types of dog on every hunt.
1)the bay dog (in OZ and NZ they call them bailers) or finder stopper dog.
Their job is to take a trail (different dogs take older or fresher tracks) get to the hog and bay it up. Baying it up is different for different hogs. Some want to run others want to fight. The runner needs to be stopped so the dog will bite the rump (polite way to say it) and the hog will usually turn and "sit down" backed up to a tree etc. The one that wants to fight will just quit the run and go to "fighting" and it is up to the dog in both cases to put enuff pressure on the hog so he don't walk off nor get into a real fight so they get injured or force the hog to run (broken bay)...
2)Is a catch dog which is typically a bulldog breed. I prefer the American bulldog pitbull cross. Once we hear the bay dogs "sat down singing" we lead in the bulldog/s on leash and get as close as condition allows (under 100 yards is nice but within sight is preferred) and "drop snap/s" the bulldog gets an ear of jowl and hangs tuff while we do the leggin of the hog and "tip" it as was seen in the vid. Once tipped the dogs are put to trees and the hog is hobbled or dispatched and hauled out.
In the vid I see just one dog so it may be what we call a "running catch dog" which finds and catches all alone. Those are hard to get much of the time and may have a lower life span due to risks of battling a warrior from too far away for the human to save them...
The real rare hog dog is a catch on command running catch dog that will find and bay and when told to "sic 'em sam" catch as well as a bull dog.
We rely on the dogs alot for safety. If they release as we go in for the back legs it could get ugly real fast.
I use 2 or 3 baying dogs and one bulldog for the most part.
Brent

hogdogs
March 24, 2009, 09:31 PM
OOPS... Bay dogs are different than retriever or hounds... they are different than both... yellow curr, yellow black mouth curr, kemmer curr, mountain curr are some as are the catahoula dogs...
Plott hound and a few strains of walker hounds are about all we use as for "hound" type. Generally hounds are "open on track" or bawling on the scent trail which results in the hog staying too far ahead to be stopped. They also tend to take older tracks so the hog is already too far gone to find. Both typical "real" hounds and retriever breeds are not generally up for the abuse a hog may hand out when bayed up. Blunt trauma from head butts and cuts from the tusks are routine and just like humans it takes a special individual to hang tuff like a boxer, mixed martial arts fighter or even a street brawler.
Brent

SavageSniper
March 24, 2009, 11:06 PM
Ya know HD, My Daddy used to swear that if you get a Hound, ie. black and tan, walker, etc, that would catch he was better than any bull or plott. We had some good one. Ever have a catch hound?

hogdogs
March 24, 2009, 11:55 PM
I know alot of curr dogs that are real ruff and find and catch but generally the hounds will get off too far which includes crossing highways and/or property lines of which we may not have permission to. Back when in the day property lines were not worried about as folks allowed that sort of thing and highways were not abundant in the south east but modern times ruined it in both cases. A good plott is as gritty as we need but still risky on the git gone. I like a close workin' dog as many of our spots are 400 or under in acreage. And bein' po folk I can't afford to lose dogs as I have already poured alot of feed to them and can't afford the fee for most pups... I am after the one man's junk... kind of maybe stuff.
Brent

bswiv
March 25, 2009, 05:23 AM
How often do you lose dogs to the hogs?

And I'm guessing that even the best dog has a relatively short term in number of years he can hunt?

As he ages his reflexes slow down( Just like us OLD humans.) therefore he tends to get hurt???

So how do you know when it's time to quit hunting him?

And are they like bird dogs in that when they see you loading up to go to the woods they get all excited and the old ones that can't go.......they must hate to see the truck leave the yard without them?

thallub
March 25, 2009, 06:45 AM
Hogs have a distress call that will bring in every hog within hearing. Have seen it in action three different times. While sitting in a tree stand i saw a bobcat hassling a sow and her pigs: The sow let out a bloodcurdling scream and about one minute later huge boar charged in and hit the cat, tossing it about 15 feet into the air. The cat was dead when it hit the ground. That cat was torn from behind the ribs all the way through the shoulder.

hogdogs
March 25, 2009, 07:04 AM
Personally I have not lost a dog of my own as I tend to have "looser" baying dogs others often cull out to me.
And smarts has helped many dogs... Some bull dogs run straight to the hogs face and try to climb to the ear and that is suicide by pig. A good clean catching bulldog, given terrain allows, will get the ear and "lay to" along side and the hog doesn't get much chance to work them over. One of my bulldogs goofed up and let a front toe about get bit off and it now sticks up a little bit as she had a bottom tendon clipped.
The bay dogs can hunt until 8-10 so long as injuries never got them maimed. Had a buddy with a dog that had a cut achilles tendon and he did okay for years with just a stubbed toe now and then but got retired when he spent more and more steps with his knuckles down. But the average would be 4-6 years I am guessing and that isn't old age reflexes going away. The dogs actually get sharper minded with experience until then at least. It is too many punctured lungs, broke ribs, cut hamstrings and lost teeth that retire the best dogs.

And to answer my favorite question...
Heck Yes these dogs are freaking out when the truck rolls to the back yard to load the dog box!!! Some are leaping 3 feet off the ground while one of my dopey bulldogs stands on her back legs doin "dancey dance" while pawing the air doin' the happy howl... I get goose bumps hearing and seeing this but choked up thinkin' about it as I see their love for the hunt, catch and for Junior and I knowin' they get hammered with love love when they succeed!
Thanks for askin' guys!
Brent

Dingoboyx
March 25, 2009, 07:37 AM
cool vid. Why were you catching and releasing hogs? You werent hunting them obviously?

next tim you should get the camera dude up a tree or something :D where did you go? did you just run for it? :eek:

You're a brave man, hogs kin git nasty........ :eek:

Muzza

hogdogs
March 25, 2009, 07:43 AM
I try not to release any! That ain't me in the vid but my first trip back to the woods after I messed up my arm, I couldn't hold the rear leg on a 200+ boar and he stood up under me. Lucky for me and the other fella and dogs he chose to haul the mail rather than turn and let us know he was unhappy with the previous several minutes of his life!:eek:
Brent

Dingoboyx
March 25, 2009, 08:41 AM
So, what do you do? hold onto them then stab them? :confused:

Muzza

hogdogs
March 25, 2009, 08:45 AM
Dingo, That is one method but we prefer to tie them up (hog tied) and haul them out and pen them to feed for a couple or 3 weeks at least. The hogs have a better chance of having the "gamey" taste when using dogs as adrenaline rushes in both sows and boars and testosterone aids the boar in fighting too. After a week or 2 in the pen they will come to the feed trough and when ready to butcher I use my air rifle or .22lr to dispatch them.
Brent

Dingoboyx
March 25, 2009, 08:58 AM
Over here we just run 'em down on our bikes and blow their heads off.:D I used to build and fly Gyrocopters and out west we would fly around and find them and flush them towards the shooters on the ground, they blasted them. One of the guys outback tried shooting them from a 2 seater gyro, they never thought about the empty cases going back into the prop :eek: Took the leading edge off the prop (split it) and had a forced landing:eek::D No damage or injuries, but rather inconvenient :o Had to leave the machine there for 2 weeks while getting a new prop to fly out (couldn't get a vehicle in to trailer it out)

Muzza

ZeroJunk
March 25, 2009, 09:48 AM
Over here we just run 'em down on our bikes and blow their heads off. I used to build and fly Gyrocopters and out west we would fly around and find them and flush them towards the shooters on the ground, they blasted them. One of the guys outback tried shooting them from a 2 seater gyro, they never thought about the empty cases going back into the prop Took the leading edge off the prop (split it) and had a forced landing No damage or injuries, but rather inconvenient Had to leave the machine there for 2 weeks while getting a new prop to fly out (couldn't get a vehicle in to trailer it out)


I like that story.:)

hogdogs
March 25, 2009, 09:49 AM
I like that story.
Me too!:D
Brent

Dingoboyx
March 25, 2009, 10:01 AM
I think if you set your dogs after me, then hog tied me and feed me grain for a couple of weeks...... I'd taste like sh .... well yea, gamey would cover it, I guess :eek::D

You might need some flava beans and a nice kiante, ft ft ft (might help) ;):D

Muzza

hogdogs
March 25, 2009, 10:05 AM
Now the penning removes the possibility of gamey taste... Super good eating pork!!! But I also feel most gamey meat was due to spoilage from too slow from death to freezer increased by high temps... I prefer to butcher in the night as it is cooler and no green flys swarming in...
Brent

SavageSniper
March 25, 2009, 10:57 AM
Brent, have you ever been cut by a hog? I was many years ago. Close quarters, broke from the dogs knocked me down and got me in the "buttocks sir" as Forrest Gump said. I got him too. The shotgun wadding was in him, that close. Funny thing, he was only about 125 lbs. Glad it wasnt a 250+ pig.

hogdogs
March 25, 2009, 11:56 AM
I have been hog bit several times but not cut. I did post pics of a cajun guy that had both thighs cut. A 60 pounder down deep in some tall palmettos got after junior as he went in to grab the ears. It went 'tween his legs and as it did it tossed his head to each side and in doing so he cut junior's new jeans from knee to knee completely along the seam. Junior was sure he had lost his 'nads but figgered shock kept him from feeling pain. Lucky for us both (I would have had to tell momma:eek:) his little 3/4 inch razor sharp tusks just got the denim!:D
Brent

wyobohunter
March 25, 2009, 01:50 PM
I have relatives in Palm Coast... I my wife ever manages to drag me down I'd kill to go Hog Doggin (If could try that she wouldn't even have to drag me down).

Looks like fun

hogdogs
March 25, 2009, 03:26 PM
I am in the far west panhandle, I have an open invitation to anyone to come down for a try... No fees whatsoever and no guarantees but we try...
Brent

FrontSight
March 26, 2009, 09:02 PM
hogdogs, that's a mighty fine offer of hospitality on your part! Ever wanted to hunt anything in NY? The waterfowl action can be pretty kick ass late in the season, but you have to time it just right for the foul weather days...

snipecatcher
March 26, 2009, 09:08 PM
My uncle hunted pigs with dogs for a great many years and I used to go with him when I was 10-14 years old. He has since given it up, but those were fun years. We always went at night-time, and you never knew what you were going to walk up on when you heard the dogs barking. He usually had a collection of 7 or 8 mutts, varying from labs to bulldog mixes, german shepherds, and even a great dane at one point. He lost several dogs over the years. The great dane was before my time, but I remember him telling me she got her throat cut by a pig. :eek:

In regards to the shooting out of choppers, there are some farmers around here that do that. I have a friend whose family farms thousands of acres of rice, and pigs are a big problem for them. It's not so much about the pigs eating the rice, but it's the damage they do to the levee's that keep the field flooded. One night of pigs walking over the same levee can drain a field, and water is not cheap! Last year they hired a guy with a chopper to take out some of the pigs, and he flew my friend and several others around for a couple days shooting AR15's. My friend has an SKS, but if you know anything about how far the ejected shell's fly from an SKS, you would understand why they do not work in a chopper. My buddy said the rotors on the chopper were green at the end of the hunt, from whacking trees.
-Dan

hogdogs
March 26, 2009, 09:41 PM
Scrap, I am a pure bred southerner (born in Marathon Fl and daddy was a park ranger for Bahia Honda state park)... I don't much care for cold and now my mucked up left arm and hand is even more sensitive than ever. Water fowl hunting sounds like a blast but I would only do it from a hot tub!:D traipsing around in snow or even weather under 40f is torture to me...

Snipecatcher, Most of our hunts are at night as well and more than one person has opted not to go when they realize this means spiders/snakes/gators are a routine...
But a cool thing was when junior spotted an older spotted fawn trying to stand still and got nearly close enuff with the red light on to pet it... Yer right... you never know what you will in the dark....
Brent

wyobohunter
March 27, 2009, 12:17 AM
I've watched a few hogdoggin' videos and don't quite understand why the hogdogger tends to pick up the hogs back legs... Is it so the dogs can get at the hogs throat better, or so the hog can't run so good, or both or something else???
Do the dogs mostly just find/catch the hog and you shoot it or do the dogs usually kill the hog?

I know, lots of questions, I'd just like to understand the details.

hogdogs
March 27, 2009, 12:31 AM
Picture the old "wheel barrow race" when you were in grade school... You could run on all fours. But the running is over. we describe it as it is safer to grab the stinky end than the pointy end.
Most guys lift and then twist their arms and this quickly gets most hogs on their side so we can quickly pull off dogs and tie up the hog. If the hog is big enuff or tuff enuff to resist this a second guy reaches under and jerks the front leg opposite the side he is on and pulls it out from under him.
I know one guy who runs in from the side and literally tackles any size hog and flips himself over as you want one knee on the neck and one right in front of the rear ham and you hold the lower 2 legs off the ground. The legs are too stiff to get footing with the high side legs. At this point we tie all four together.

Dogs rarely ever get the throat and I would frown on it if it was made habit as I want the hogs as healthy as possible. Typically the catch dog will get an ear and to a lesser degree, the jowl. Snout biters not only damage the hog but are in a good spot for a bad ending...

Some "bay" dogs will catch any pig/hog but most have a sort of limit. The catch dog (bull dog) will never hesitate on any hog or you won't be able to trust them. No "re-biting" allowed either as it is risky to all involved including the humans. And we don't take guns with us at all... Maybe a .22 pistol for snakes, 'dillars and rabbit if in season... but that is less than one percent of the time.
Brent

wyobohunter
March 28, 2009, 09:36 PM
So do you haul them home and fatten them up for later slaughter or sale? Or do you tie them up so it's easier to bleed them properly?

hogdogs
March 28, 2009, 09:39 PM
I don't try to keep them long enuff to increase the size just a week or so to let them be calm. Calm down then slaughter. It does give me time to locate a buyer. I can sell a live hog and butcher it free but I cannot sell butchered meat.
Brent