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SteveRick
March 23, 2009, 05:45 PM
I know this has been asked tons of times and I am new to these forums, but I was trying to gather as much opinion as possible as to which shotgun you favor primarily for HD.

Remington 870 Express 7-shot or Mossberg 590 Tactical 9 - shot

johnm312
March 23, 2009, 06:04 PM
Either gun can fill the role just fine. It really depends on which you like more. I own a mossberg and like the safety on it but would buy the 870 if I did it over again. The 870's always feel and are higher all around quality. But, as a HD gun my mossberg works just fine. I think you'll be happy with either.

SteveRick
March 23, 2009, 06:17 PM
appreciate the response

inSight-NEO
March 23, 2009, 06:22 PM
This topic will most certainly spark a debate. :) Either way, it really comes down to you and which model suits/fits you best. Personally, while I can see an advantage in owning the 870 (due to its vast accessory availability), I chose to go with the Mossberg 590 instead. This was mainly due to the slightly higher capacity (only if needed, although I tend to download) and more user friendly ergonomics (such as the receiver mounted safety vs the trigger guard mount of the 870). Also, its my opinion that the Mossberg is certainly comparable to the 870 Express in terms of quality, at least when comparing the new ones anyway. Sure, one may have a bit more on the "detail" side vs the other, but when dealing with a "budget" type weapon, I tend to be more concerned about functionality and ease of use.

Now, if we were comparing the Remington 870P to the Mossberg 590 A1, I would probably go with the Remington in this case. But, for the standard models....Mossberg all the way.

But again, its all up to you.

Lee Lapin
March 23, 2009, 06:23 PM
If you can, get some trigger time on both and see which YOU like better. Both are good guns, learn to load whichever one you get on the run and don't let magazine capacity worry you too much.

lpl

colostomyclown
March 23, 2009, 06:32 PM
I've owned both, and the 590 sealed the deal. The only way I'll ever buy another Remington is if I decide to convert an old wingmaster as a project gun. Give the 590 some love and 500 rounds or so of light target load and I think you'll feel the same.

SteveRick
March 23, 2009, 06:33 PM
Ohh, by the way, I live in California with its archaic gun laws, so finding either one of these shotguns has been very tough as of late.

The FFL transfer fees from Arizona or Nevada to California are 125$-180 depending on the dealer here. I was wondering if anyone knows if there are any 870s or 590s here in Southern California for a decent price?? None of the gun retailers that I have called said they are getting any in for 6 months and I am unwilling to wait.

Orange, CA by the way.

TridentOne
March 23, 2009, 06:34 PM
To me it boils down to the controls, they are different enough to matter. I have the 870, if I had to do it over again I would choose the Mossberg because of the safety location.

New_Pollution1086
March 23, 2009, 06:36 PM
+1 Lee.

Try to get to the range with both. I have friends who own Remigtons, and winchesters. I went with the Mossberg500. the safety, and slide release are what did it for me.

I would avoid the 590 if this is going to be an all purpose gun. Because you cant change barrels, but if strictly for HD then go for it.

All are great platforms and will serve you well.

T

New_Pollution1086
March 23, 2009, 06:38 PM
Dude 125-180. you are getting RAPED. up here in better California I pay 25. Come up here my big5 has plenty.

T

Katrina Guy
March 23, 2009, 06:39 PM
Better layout, even the Remington lovers would agree, only not in here *LOL*
They say Remington's are made better, I don't know, I mean how many bad guys do you plan on blowing away in a lifetime??
Have both an 870 and a Persuader...Persuader stays loaded, Remington never shot, collects dust.

inSight-NEO
March 23, 2009, 06:43 PM
They say Remington's are made better

These days, unless speaking of the Police models, I choose to remain dubious on this one. ;)

jcsturgeon
March 23, 2009, 09:29 PM
A year or two ago I bought a used Remington 870 Magnum Express 12 ga.

I'm told it used to belong to a local prison as a duty weapon and they upgraded. (This one has a wooden stock with a really classic look/feel.) I love it, it's great for shooting skeet, trap, poppers or I imagine, burglars.

Seriously though, a shotgun for home defense is a great idea, and while I can't tell you which make or model to buy I would highly recommend a pump action. That tell-tale sound of a shell cycling into the barrel is enough to scare off most people and really reduces the odds of you being forced to take a life.

Like a buddy of mine says "I'd feel terrible if I killed someone because they were trying to steal my VCR."

SteveRick
March 23, 2009, 09:35 PM
I think I am going to try a 870 synthetic/matte/camo finish, 7+1 12G. I am heading down to my local gun store Fowlers and see if I can't get a better feel for a Mossberg 500 because barrel length in reality bothers me a little, even if its 20" vs 18". By the way, this will be a my second shotgun purchase within a year, just bought a SBE 2 for wild bird/turkey hunting a few months ago, best damn shotgun I have ever fired.

Katrina Guy
March 24, 2009, 01:23 PM
I'd hold him at shotgun gun point!, and my only verbal command to him less'n he'd want the trigger pulled would be "Program that sucker or else!!!", wups, forgot I now live in southern Texas, let me rephrase that command, "El program-o el vcr-o, or els-O!"

Derekadavis
March 24, 2009, 01:33 PM
if I ever caught an intruder messing with my vcr,

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I'd hold him a shotgun gun point!, and my only verbal command to him less'n he'd want the trigger pulled would be "Program that sucker or else!!!", wups, forgot I now live in southern Texas, let me rephrase that command, "El program-o el vcr-o, or els-O!"

That is the funnyest **** ive read in awhile!:D

And true too! i live in dfw

Katrina Guy
March 24, 2009, 01:56 PM
LOLOL

OLNfan
March 24, 2009, 03:21 PM
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FhgwHQCJwWw

Thunde ranch. Home defense shotguns.

Kmar40
March 24, 2009, 09:11 PM
Where's the 500, 870, or 88 express with an 18" barrel (or with an additional 18" barrel) option?

I don't like the extended tubes. Makes the balance of a shotgun all wrong. It definitely points more slowly and weighs more so it doesn't feel as handy. (Don't like sidesaddles either for the same reason.) The 500 and 870 are perfect as they are. Short barrel and maybe a short length of pull stock to help negoatiating tight quarters and you are basically ready for anything. Flashlight and a buttcuff with a few extra buckshot/slugs are icing on the cake.

hogdogs
March 24, 2009, 09:23 PM
Kmar, 870 express or 88 maverick...

SilentSoul
March 24, 2009, 09:42 PM
I had the opportunity to get some trigger time with both shotguns in a few different configurations, i always liked the 590.. it was my idea of the perfect 12g pump, knew i had to have one some day.. and i still want one too! :D

however, i personally chose the 870 express magnum i currently own, i got it from a local gunstore/range, so i actually fired the weapon before buying it, it wasnt even exactly what i wanted.. wood furniture and only 4 rounds in the tube... however, i fell in love with it when i picked it up :o

i think thats what it will boil down too, whatever you like when you go around fondling them, i see no real advantage or disadvantage over either, the 870 just feels best in my hands, i like the size(proportions i mean) weight and overall character it has, not to mention the sheer number of options for aftermarket barrels, stocks/forends and configurations possible, i do not think the 500/590 can match it in that regard, but still.. the function is equal, you point them.. they make a loud noise and you smile, and they will both do it every time you ask

Kmar40
March 24, 2009, 09:45 PM
Yeah, that's what I meant.

cloudcroft
March 24, 2009, 10:16 PM
Like others have said, either (in fact just about any repeating) shotgun is just fine, so whatever you'd choose is a good choice. Or a Winchester, Savage, Ithaca, etc.

I have the Mossberg 590A1 Milspec myself for basic H-D (and 3 other shotguns for more specialized assignments).

-- John D.

LoneStarWings
March 25, 2009, 03:25 AM
I went with the 870 7 shot synthetic myself. I figured if I was going to get a tactical type shotgun I might as well get the shortest length barrel I could (althouth I admit 1.5" isn't much of a difference).

I certainly don't see a need for any more magazine capacity. I've fired off 7 shots of buck and slugs in rapid succession a few times, and it is physically draining, especially at an indoor range. By the 4th or 5th shot I tend to get rattled and lose accuracy, but that's certainly not the weapon's fault.

If anything, I probably would've gone with the standard 4 shot magazine in retrospect. The 7 shot express gun is very muzzle heavy with the magazine fully loaded w/ buckshot. I am considering a shell carrier harness for the stock to counteract this a bit.

The finish on my 870 express is also starting to wear off around the magazine extension clamp after only a few trips to the range. That might've been my fault for not tightening it enough after i disassembled the weapon for cleaning. But hey, for $300 I guess the price is right.

In the end though, there is no doub the 870 synthetic 7-shot would do the job well if it ever needed to. I've had no malfunctions after the first 100 shells, and the action seems to get smoother with every cycle.

SteveRick
March 25, 2009, 02:35 PM
I just decided that the Remington 870 Security Model, 12G, 20" barrel, was for me. I just bought it for 369.99 at a California Big5 which is a very good deal here. Synthetic black too. By the way, whats this I have heard of a J-safety? I prefer push button safety all the way.

EDIT: I think this was a good buy, what do you think?

Katrina Guy
March 25, 2009, 06:02 PM
It's getting scarce out there.

MountainBear
March 25, 2009, 06:04 PM
Both will certainly do the job admirably, but I dislike aluminum. So the 870 it is.

SteveRick
March 25, 2009, 11:36 PM
Katrina Guy, you speak the truth. I took me a month just to find a Remington 870 where they were trying to screw you on the price. So much for the most produced shotgun in America, they need more in the market because at the rate things are going, people need guns. This is the moment when gun manufacturers need to be putting mass amounts of guns out there for people to buy.

Gazzmann
March 25, 2009, 11:49 PM
870 nuff said.........................

SteveRick
March 26, 2009, 01:54 AM
What is the best place online to buy accessories for an 870? I want to replace the forestock on the pump and maybe get a rear stock saddle for ammo.

LoneStarWings
March 26, 2009, 02:15 AM
Let me know if you find a good stock saddle. There's ton of side-receiver saddles but not as many rear stock saddles for some reason.

SteveRick
March 26, 2009, 02:20 AM
LoneStar, I think I forgot the correct name. side-receiver saddle is what I meant.

EDIT: I need some help looking for a replacement fore-end. I like the fore-end to be tight, and it would need to be all synthetic. I found a good side-saddle elastic band for 4.95 http://acecase.com/bullet-band-shell-holder-shotgun.html

Katrina Guy
March 26, 2009, 06:37 AM
cutting what little quality control already in place, in an attempt to get more products out the door to meet the demand. Back in December I think it was, I had to wait over a month for some Persuader's to hit the Academy Sporting good shelves, three arrived, me calling everyday, I picked up one and someone there picked up the remaining two! Easy sales!

SteveRick
March 26, 2009, 03:27 PM
Yeah, that's right katrinaguy, these gun manufacturers better not be cutting quality control because that endangers the lives of you and me. I will be sure to check ever inch of my gun some more.

ibe4buckshot
March 29, 2009, 10:38 PM
Both are good, but the 870 just fits me so good.:D

spikespeigel
March 31, 2009, 01:10 AM
I'm sure it was just my uncle's superior gun handling abilities and vast firearms knowledge but it seemed like as soon as he would pick up his mossberg it would jam... Ever since I've been sqeemish about 'em. Plus, I'm a Remington kinda guy...

earlthegoat2
March 31, 2009, 03:25 PM
It appears the difference is negligible.

D-E-T-O-X
March 31, 2009, 05:00 PM
@ Op

you need to hit up big 5 in tustin and big 5 in orange. they always have them on hand . i bought my 590 at the one tustin

edrice
March 31, 2009, 07:26 PM
you need to hit up big 5 in tustin and big 5 in orange. they always have them on hand . i bought my 590 at the one tustin

Ha! That's interesting. I live in Tustin and just bought one at the Big 5 in Orange yesterday.

D-E-T-O-X
March 31, 2009, 08:49 PM
so you dont have to go far to shoot it for its first rounds go to insight in artisia and blast some paper!

i just got back

Inspector3711
March 31, 2009, 11:55 PM
Gotta love the 870...

tazz7002
April 7, 2009, 04:23 AM
glock23,870 express 18 inch

evan1293
April 7, 2009, 04:50 AM
I prefer a 590. For a HD gun I'd rather have the 18" barrel however.