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.300 Weatherby Mag
March 20, 2009, 10:46 PM
I don't have a problem with someone taking a home defense shotgun out to shoot clays.. Especially if that's all they have... But at least take off the laser and the flashlight.... Saw that today at the skeet range... Also it may be a good idea to wait until you get home before you attempt to re-mount the your tru glow red dot..... Tacticool skeet doesn't work.....

JWT
March 20, 2009, 10:54 PM
Must have been quite a sight to see.

hogdogs
March 20, 2009, 10:57 PM
The only thing goofier would be a guy with a .30-06 topped with a 12X50 scope... Tryin to hit dirt birds!:D
Brent

hoytinak
March 20, 2009, 11:08 PM
Why didn't I think of that? It'd be a good way to mess with the hot-shots that think they're better than everyone else cause they use high dollar skeet guns/equipment that shoot skeet around here. Maybe they post on here and did it just to get everyone all riled (is that even a word?) up and see if someone else would start a thread about it? I just might take the 500 to the skeet range tomorrow. :D

hogdogs
March 20, 2009, 11:13 PM
Hoyt, while I never hoped for a good score, I have gotten on line with my 500 20 gauge and PGO... I hit the occasional disc. Since it is was always impromptu friendly shoots we didn't have a shot limit and I was the first guy to go for long range clay no one hit with my 3-5 shot and picked off a few with accolades from those guys with "classy" guns for not only going for a max range flyer but hitting them now and then...
Brent

wyobohunter
March 20, 2009, 11:15 PM
bust clays with the big boys. Props to him. Otherwise... It's still good practice for defensife shotgunning. Even if the gizmos fit in like my Yamaha would at Sturgis...

chris in va
March 20, 2009, 11:19 PM
I think they do that just for shock value. My friend used to take his Mossberg Persuader with folding Knoxx stock to the clays range. The looks he got were priceless, especially from the guys shooting $4000 o/u and could only get a 20 while he would get a 24.:eek::p

They've since added a clause only 26"+ barrels can be used, but it was fun while it lasted.

Invalid Zero
March 21, 2009, 02:55 AM
I had my 20" 590 w/GR sights out shooting skeet last weekend. I didn't get weird looks. Granted my father in law and a friend were the only ones out there, but I had as much fun with mine as I did with their 28" guns.

Lee Lapin
March 21, 2009, 07:28 AM
Trigger time is trigger time. Put to good use, trigger time is never wasted- of course, IMHO merely converting ammo to noise is not 'trigger time.' If the rulz allow short barrels, (some clubs don't), go for it. Taking off flashlights is a good idea IMHO, if only to save them from recoil battering (even SureFire recommends doing that). Otherwise, run it in the same configuration as you'd run it at home- and do it safely.

lpl

the rifleer
March 21, 2009, 10:37 AM
Ive always wanted to take a 590 with a bayonet on it to skeet shoot. I just thought it would be funny to see what people think.

armedandsafe
March 21, 2009, 07:57 PM
I remember being skunked many times at clays (not hard to do) by a retired Marine Gunny Sgt. I was trying my best with my Belgian double 16, but he would beat me every time.



With his 1911.

Pops

Double Naught Spy
March 21, 2009, 08:10 PM
But at least take off the laser and the flashlight....

Why dress down for you?

What is wrong with practicing with the HD shotgun in the configuration in which he would fire it for home defense?

I would not take off the laser if I was him. Remounting means resighting and there is no reason to go through that just to make some clays guy happy.

I mean, come on! Why are you so worried about how somebody else looks at the range? Are you afraid his setup is going to reflect badly on you?

luvsasmith
March 21, 2009, 08:21 PM
I would not criticize the guy shooting the $5k gold medallion "see how much better I am than you cause I can drop a months worth of your salary on a gun I shoot exclusively at defenseless, fake clay birds every Saturday" o/u any more than I would the guy shooting his $100 "hey times are tough and this is all I got but would like to train myself in various situations" New England Firearms Pardner single shot shotgun- with or without the tactical light, bayonet, AR stock, night sights, 15 point sling, or red dot.

I'd just be happy someone else loved and appreciated the pass time of shooting as much as I do.

D-E-T-O-X
March 21, 2009, 08:37 PM
first time i shot my 590 was at clays at the range.

people didnt like that:D

Whiteboy67
March 21, 2009, 10:07 PM
Would I get laughed at/shooed away for using this shotgun at the range?

http://i11.photobucket.com/albums/a181/joeynomoney/DSCF0006.jpg
http://i11.photobucket.com/albums/a181/joeynomoney/DSCF0009-1.jpg

I'd take off the buttcuff before I went there at least :D

New_Pollution1086
March 21, 2009, 10:18 PM
i love busting clays with my 500, ive used both 28 and 18in barrels and never had a look.

But this is at a regular range not a skeet range.

I think him practicing with it set up for hd will just get him used to the weight and make him a safer shotgunner.

Get off your high horse and have a good time, dont worry about other peoples guns.

T

.300 Weatherby Mag
March 21, 2009, 10:48 PM
Would I get laughed at/shooed away for using this shotgun at the range?

No you would not...... The gun was a tacticool mall ninja special and so was the shooter....

Get off your high horse and have a good time, dont worry about other peoples guns.


high horse?? The guy thought pretty highly of himself and his mall ninja special..... Otherwise I wouldn't have cared...

Double Naught Spy
March 22, 2009, 08:26 AM
high horse?? The guy thought pretty highly of himself and his mall ninja special..... Otherwise I wouldn't have cared...

Now it get it. You don't actually care that the gun had stuff on it. The problem you have is with the guy thinking highly of his gun and hmself. So your original post was completely misleading because you just complained about the gear and now we know you have a problem with attitudes.

So because you think the guy thought highly of himself and his gun, you feel it is your place to come here and put him down for doing nothing wrong and nothing against you?

Well, at least we are now down to the root of the issue - ego.

longcall911
March 22, 2009, 09:22 AM
If there were a better nearby range to shoot his HD shotty and instead he chose the skeet range, yeah he might be a bit goofy. But, there's something to be said for being able to knock down a moving target.

The other end of the spectrum would be the guy who beefs up the SG and then puts it in the corner of the closet. Of the two, the guy on the skeet range will look more foolish, but he'll probably live longer than the guy who leaves his in the closet. :-)

/*tom*/

redlevel42
March 22, 2009, 04:24 PM
It sounds like some who are questioning the motives of the OP might be guilty of the exact same mindset you are accusing him of, just in reverse.

I don't shoot clays or skeet, but I do hunt quail. I try to do things in a fairly traditional manner. I use traditional side x side guns, no larger than 20 gauge, and use traditional Deep South bird dawgs. No Brits or Viszlas for me. They are fine dogs, but when I was growing up, bird dog in South Georgia meant 75% English Pointers (no GSPs) and 25% English Setters. I am a traditionalist.

If someone showed up at one of my hunts with a tricked out tactical shotgun, I would offer to let him/her use one of my doubles, or at least a straight-stocked 11-48 Upland Special semi-auto I bought for my daughter. If he/she insisted on the tricked out gun, I would be fine with it for that day.

I probably would not invite him/her back under those circumstances, because I would feel he/she was mocking me for being a traditionalist.

Frankly, it sounds like that is what several of you have in mind when you are bragging about outshooting someone with a $4000 shotgun with your tacticool bang-em-up 12 gauge ear-busters and throat-cutters. I guess you have bought into the mindset that we must hate anyone who has more money than we do, so let's ridicule them any way we can.

inSight-NEO
March 22, 2009, 05:11 PM
But at least take off the laser and the flashlight....

Actually, I can see some value in at least leaving the light mounted. It seems that, for me, this would help one to become accustomed to the weight/balance/swing of a weapon with such accessories. When I go to the shooting range, on occasion, I will leave my light attached for this very reason. I prefer to practice with the same setup I use for HD. This is why, for instance, I tend to never load more rounds in the mag tube than I would use for HD.

Personally, shooting skeet or whatever with a "tactically" minded weapon may not seem "proper" to the traditionalists, but I personally couldnt care less as to what the guy next to me thinks about my "tacticool" light. After all, he wouldnt be the one potentially defending the lives of myself or my family. Im not there to impress others with my weapon; Im there to learn for myself...period.

his gun was a tacticool mall ninja special and so was the shooter....

The gun was not "mall ninja," but the owner sounds like he may have been...who knows.

To me, "mall ninja" = poser; this, to me, should have nothing to do with how a weapon is accessorized, but rather the motives and attitude of the one using such accessorized weapon.

JTMcC
March 22, 2009, 07:45 PM
+1 for the "go out and have fun, and let other people do the same" take.
+2 for the shoot it in the configuration it will be in if you REALLY need it, even if it doesn't "look right" to some folks.
My wife uses the same (590) shotgun for everything, killing snakes in the yard, strange noises at midnight, and just having fun. She could shoot a much more "refined" 20 ga side by side that I own, but she is very familiar and very good with her simple Mossberg.
Of course we shoot in the backyard so there is no danger of gun snobbery on our range:)

JTMcC.

3-fitty-7
March 23, 2009, 12:10 AM
wow i never thought anyone cared what kind of gun another person was using as long as they used it safely. could be kind of distracting.

OLNfan
March 23, 2009, 02:15 AM
I dont think you under stand the point its like brining a knife to a gun fight. Its like You and your buddy are goin grizzly hunting and your friend says OH my buddy wants to come hes a good guy. Your both packin 45-70 and your friends buddy is packin a bolt action 12 gage with buck shot. Theirs proper ettikit with firearms/ practical firearm knowledge. I meen I wouldnt of minded if the guy was shooting his ninja special as long as it had his bells and whilstles off it. I will take my h/d gun shooting clays in the bush with my buddys for ****s and giggles but if I were at the rod n gun club I would bring my ithica again that still isnt even the shotgun I should be bringing but its the closest shotgun I would have to suite the job. and If my friend happend to have a spare shotgun for the job I hope he would offer it to me such as redlevel42 has mentioned. When my friend and I go bear hunting the at the time the "highest" caliber he had was a british 303. I said here buddy take this so he took my .444 lever action marlin and 20 rounds of hornady ammuntion and I used my 45-70 lever action marlin. To this date he now has a 30 06. He packs that, switch between 45-70 and a 300 win mag.
http://i81.photobucket.com/albums/j239/seaan_2006/001.jpg

OLNfan
March 23, 2009, 02:24 AM
sound good?

Double Naught Spy
March 23, 2009, 05:04 AM
No.

I dont think you under stand the point its like brining a knife to a gun fight.

It is nothing like bringing a knife to a gun fight. Sporting clays is a game, not a life or death situation.

I meen I wouldnt of minded if the guy was shooting his ninja special as long as it had his bells and whilstles off it.

Once again, what does it matter what the guy has on his gun so long as he is shooting safely? What is so frightening or bothersome about how the gun is decked out?

I will take my h/d gun shooting clays in the bush with my buddys for ****s and giggles but if I were at the rod n gun club I would bring my ithica again that still isnt even the shotgun I should be bringing but its the closest shotgun I would have to suite the job.

How do you know the guy described in the OP didn't bring his tactical shotgun for ****s and giggles? How do you know it isn't the closest gun he had for shooting clays?

Why won't you try sporting clays with your HD shotgun at the rod and gun club? Is it a peer pressure thing?

So the guy isn't striving to attain your personal standards for sporting clays, so what?

and If my friend happend to have a spare shotgun for the job I hope he would offer it to me such as redlevel42 has mentioned.

Maybe one was offered and the guy just wanted to shoot his own shotgun?

----

The only real problems I see with using a tactical shotgun for sporting clays is that it likely has a short and and unchoked (or wrong choked) barrel and potentially has poor patterning/dispersal characteristics for sporting clays, therefore making it much more challenging for the guy to effectively hit birds. However, that is an issue for him to deal with, not me.

OLNfan
March 23, 2009, 07:48 AM
I guess you dont understand their is tradation every where..their is no tradation in a ninja special. I could careless what you or any one else says cause I wont budge on my side of this topic. 1) I wont take it to a real skeet shoot cause its the wrong ****ing firearm for the job. 2) I wont get the performace I want with it. 3) their used for different purposes.
http://i81.photobucket.com/albums/j239/seaan_2006/tac_sa_sling.jpg Did you bring this prick to the range?
http://i81.photobucket.com/albums/j239/seaan_2006/pic_2.jpg you see tradation here?
http://i81.photobucket.com/albums/j239/seaan_2006/pic_3.jpg here?..no you dont.
I wouldnt be too rude if you brought this with you. But I WILL make sure that the first person you hear laughing at you when you missed would be me. Dont get me wrong I have tatical firearms you saw my shotgun, Iv got an ar-15 Imperial defense and a 9mm glock. None of these have bells or whistles on them. Their tatical enough as is for me.

inSight-NEO
March 23, 2009, 07:07 PM
Only problem is, the whole skeet junk aside, it would be unwise IMHO to not get in a decent amount of range time with a shotgun (or any weapon) as it is accessorized for HD. Now, I keep my stuff minimal; weapon mounted light and night sights...thats it. Either way, not taking the time to become used to the "dynamics" of such an accessorized weapon (not to mention the accessories themselves), could prove problematic when it comes down to it. Do I feel weird having the light mounted on the weapon while at the range? Nope.

Now, Im not necessarily saying that a heavily accessorized weapon (such as what you showed) should be used for shooting skeet, lets say. But, for the range, who cares? I sincerely believe in practicing with what would be used/fired/equipped for HD. Of course, Im not a hunter or an avid skeet shooter, so....

Besides, Ive NEVER seen anybody with that much crap mounted on a weapon anyway. Therefore, Id be less apt to care about what Im seeing and more inclined to wonder why the owner of this weapon deems it necessary to have such a gross amount of accessories.

OLNfan
March 24, 2009, 12:18 AM
I pulled the pictures off a shotgun thread from a different forum. that is an example of how much gear some people put on their hd guns. I believe I got my point accross.

inSight-NEO
March 25, 2009, 06:42 PM
I believe I got my point accross.

You did indeed; But, not every point made by another human being is necessarily based on reality and practicality. ;) The image you pulled off the internet is probably an exception to the norm when it comes to weapons accessorized with HD in mind.

But, your point has been made and therefore, I will choose to leave it at that.

COYOTE JLR
March 25, 2009, 07:16 PM
OLNfan said: I pulled the pictures off a shotgun thread from a different forum. that is an example of how much gear some people put on their hd guns. I believe I got my point accross.

The point I got from those pictures is that people are ridiculous and will go completely overboard in an attempt to make things "cool" or "functional" even though most would think they utterly fail in those regards. However I don't see why they shouldn't be allowed to shoot skeet.

It may be ridiculous and have no purpose, but if that's what they're going to defend their home with, than they should be familiar with the feel of their gun when its loaded down like that. Hell, for all we know, that kid may have decided his gun weighed way to much and gone home and stripped it down to something more reasonable.

I never knew shooting was a fashion show. Don't get me wrong here. I love the look of a beautiful wood stocked gun. A custom Blaser, or a Krieghoff, or a Perazzi is almost like **** to me. Everyday I get online and look at those things, as well as many others, and day dream over them, but I can't afford that. I wish I could, but I can't. I make do with what's available to me, at this time a Benelli Super Nova and a Mossberg 500 for the most part. The guy you're talking about probably doesn't have anything else to bring. I'd just be glad that there's someone else enjoying the sport in a safe environment. I'd hope that by coming to the same place I frequent he'd maybe learn more about guns and the art of them.

I see why you don't like the gun he was using, but I don't see it as something to get bothered about. When I go skeet shooting I bring my hunting gun (the Benelli) and an old single shot Springfield 20 gauge. Nothing fancy by any means, but those are what I have and shoot well with. If I was in your situation I would shake my head and chuckle and go back to enjoying myself.

Just my meandering .02.

OLNfan
March 25, 2009, 07:42 PM
"Blaser, or a Krieghoff, or a Perazzi" very nice guns! the benelli and the springfield are just fine for skeet I would love to have any of those firearms. personally im in love with NEF single shot rifles and shotguns, and stoeger shotguns in general (their stage coaches are beautiful!) wish I owned them. Hell I even like seeing tatical shotguns aswell. Im just saying I wouldnt be a big fan if I saw them skeet shooting (again iv never gone, but it seems to me that its a kind of tradational sport and it would be beautiful to see people using the correct firearm for the purpose). I woudlnt show up to the rod n gun club with my mossberg 500 with the retractable stock. I would be even a little nervous showing up with my georgous Ithica, because even though its a featherlight (took 2-3 inches off the barrel, so it could shoot slugs. I bought it like that) its not exactly made for waterfowl hunting any more. So I use it for deer on my girl friends farm.

freakintoguns
March 26, 2009, 01:29 AM
me and my buddies go shoot clays in the desert and i take my trusty 18" barreled remington 870 with me. and ill take my trusty 18" barreled stoager p2000 with me when i get one, and my benelli super black eagle 2 when i get one of those..... would that offend you?

oneounceload
March 26, 2009, 07:57 AM
me and my buddies go shoot clays in the desert and i take my trusty 18" barreled remington 870 with me. and ill take my trusty 18" barreled stoager p2000 with me when i get one, and my benelli super black eagle 2 when i get one of those..... would that offend you?

Not as long as you followed range safety protocol.

Where I shoot, we get some folks who come just before dove or quail season to warm up - for most, this is the ONLY time they come to a gun club; forgetting to open the action, "sweeping" folks inadvertently, etc. all come to mind - if you were one of those, then that would offend me.....otherwise step into the box and shoot.............

Double Naught Spy
March 26, 2009, 10:41 AM
I guess you dont understand their is tradation every where..their is no tradation in a ninja special. I could careless what you or any one else says cause I wont budge on my side of this topic. 1) I wont take it to a real skeet shoot cause its the wrong ****ing firearm for the job. 2) I wont get the performace I want with it. 3) their used for different purposes.

Once again, that is you. What does it matter if somebody else does it?

So there is some sort of "tradition" that you claim. So what? If it isn't against the rules and the guy isn't being unsafe, then what is the problem? Maybe you are just fearful of being different?

I watched a gun with a lever gun pulled from the rifle rack of his truck take third place against benchrest shooters at a bench match. There he was in his overalls, levergun, bunch of patched sandbags and then there were all these guys with their purdy lever guns, cleaning contraptions, wind thingies strung across the range, reloading gear, and the like. I guess brought a knife to a gun fight as he definitely was not traditional but he kicked butt as there were 25 - 30 folks shooting. Not bad for a bubba and his coyote gun. And, he had a great time.

freakintoguns
March 26, 2009, 02:59 PM
oh yeah! we defintly keep it safe man. we all enjoy living very much! plus the guys i shoot with are more then friends, basically brothers. so we pretty much feel like monsters if we hurt one another.

Dave McC
March 26, 2009, 08:54 PM
For the record. I care not a whit what you're shooting as long as you're doing so safely.

It can be a belt fed, burst fire 8 gauge or a 24 gauge Piotti SxS with engraving by Galeazzi.

Heck I'd like to try out both of those......

oneounceload
March 26, 2009, 09:07 PM
No 8 gauge at the range Dave - it carries too far... ;)

squeak003
March 27, 2009, 02:27 AM
i made the mistake of taking my saiga to the range to sight in my red dot. after witch my buddy decided he wanted to shoot clays. half way through the range master came up to me and told me i needed to stop. i asked why and he said "we've had some complaints". i asked about what and he said i was shooting an ak at clays so i pulled the mag and handed it to him he saw it was their 20g bird i was shooting so he told me to carry on. then came back a few min. later (i was watching him talk to a couple of older felows) and told me i had to leave due to complaints about my barrel length. i wasn't happy but next time ill be sure to bring my 500.

here is my gun
http://i141.photobucket.com/albums/r62/squeak003/saiga/saiga009.jpg

Double Naught Spy
March 27, 2009, 07:33 AM
squeak003, that is just terrible. So people didn't like what you were shooting and they complained in spite of the fact that you weren't breaking any rules and the RM said you had to stop? If you aren't breaking the rules, then the complaints really aren't valid, so I don't see why you would be told to stop. That just isn't right.

So how were you doing up until that time?

hoytinak
March 27, 2009, 07:51 AM
but next time ill be sure to bring my 500.

I wouldn't go back to that range at all. I'm thinking about putting a clay thrower out back just so I don't have to worry about the stuck-up, think-they're-better-than-everyone-else, can't-mind-their-own-business guys.

hogdogs
March 27, 2009, 09:53 AM
Many clay ranges have specific barrel length rules...
Brent

squeak003
March 27, 2009, 11:10 AM
not to bad.....i had only missed 2.......i wanna say i shot at 12 before i was told i was"done"

BuckHammer
March 27, 2009, 01:19 PM
I now have an intense urge to dove hunt this season with a Saiga. That would be crazy fun! I would actually need one, though, to do that. Too bad, that seems like so much fun to me.

oneounceload
March 27, 2009, 01:22 PM
I now have an intense urge to dove hunt this season with a Saiga. That would be crazy fun! I would actually need one, though, to do that. Too bad, that seems like so much fun to me.

As long as it's plugged so it can't take more than three shells max, you're good to go; otherwise, you'll be good to go to jail

BuckHammer
March 27, 2009, 01:34 PM
As long as it's plugged so it can't take more than three shells max, you're good to go; otherwise, you'll be good to go to jail
I thought that went without saying.

squeak003
March 27, 2009, 08:38 PM
they make a 2 round mag for the saigas.....or you can just slide off the bottom of the mag and put empty shells in from the bottom (kind of a hillbilly way to plug it buy it works)

B.L.E.
March 27, 2009, 09:36 PM
Why not shoot skeet, trap, or sporting clays with home defense style shotguns?
Most of us will live out our whole lives without ever needing to defend our homes anyway so at least the shotgun will get used for something.

Maybe they should start a sporting clays/skeet/trap class just for tactical shotguns.

JohnBrowningIII
March 27, 2009, 11:36 PM
I hate all fluff all fakes and all liar's! A rifle or pistol is a tool and it should reflect how you use it. More often then not most people have more money then brains when it comes to "Guns"!!!! What is more likely to happen in John's house???? A) He will need to retake his home by force in the dark from armed ex-Navy Seals. B) He will take his shotgun out to harvest some Duck's and Geese.

What is more likely to happen at John's place in Michigan???? A)He will be a top of a rocky mountain side while his men are pined down in the valley below by Afhgan rebels.....Good thing John has his Remington 700 Police Tactical Model with his Leopold Tactical scope and 168gr Hornady TAP ammo...B) John comes home and say's boy's let go to Adam's and do some target shooting better grab my Rugger Varmint/Target model and have some fun.

I hate it when people take a perfectly good rifle or shotgun and then butcher it with cheap bolt on junk! I mean if you are going to go after the tactical look at least buy the quality stuff not the cheap junk from Cheaper then Dirt!

Their was a time when I had more money then brains but then I had kids!!!LOL Seriously though you have to get insanely good before you notice the huge improvement one get's with say going from a $200-$400 scope up to a $3000+ scope. Their really is not much short of life and death situations and competing at the highest levels that requires that much scope. Seriously men where useing 3x,4x,6x and 8X fixed power scopes for a long long time for shot's routinely from 400-1000 yards. Prior to optics comeing on strong from the end of WWII onward iron sights where commonly used for such long range target work as well. Other then other people that where trained by the milatary I have not once meet a civilian that any clue on how to properly use a Mil-Dot scope. I guess knowing how to use it does not matter much it is just haveing the look!

Then their are all these writer's and editors that need to put braces on their 16 year old daughter's teeth. Well they have to give you something to read month after month so we keep getting more and more insane with what we demand from our rifles. They even have "tactical" "police" magazines and I can not believe for one minute that their are enough real tacticale people and police men and woman buying these rag's to keep them profitable! I am sure they are kids like my 10 year old. He lives eat's and sleeps anything with an Acronym so CIA,FBI,SWAT you name your agency and I am sure he has been it for halloween! But I am hopeing that he will have out grown that by the time he has money of his own with which to purchase magazines!

I stoped reading magizines year's ago. The occassional shotgun news or reloader etc............Their is always some new repackaged wiz-bang magnum short ,long,medium.......The rebirth of a classic etc............I am just so tired of junk and 1/2 the stuff sold at a sporting good store is junk plain and simple. I am tired of comapnies just repackageing one weapon a million different ways to try and sell just one more. Take the Remington 700 for crying out loud they have resorted to cuting the barrel int he shape of a triangle have put a crazy looking stock on it for what? What did the Eqyptians have a Pharo Model of the 700 is the power of the pyramid supossed to improve it's barrel harmonics or something???? What marketing thought of that? I know we can take our 700P and mill the sides of the barrels flat on three sides so it is shaped like a triangle then put it in a weird looking stock and sell them on clearance for $432. Never mind if they shoot or not?

I am just getting tired of all the cheap junk and stupid marketing idea's that are in the gun world these day's. Even Rugger has a tactical model but they had some good sense. Instead of their synthetic stock they went with the Houge over molded model which in my eye's makes perfect sense. To add value while other guys are droping big money on badger ordance or some other high end tactical scope mount that Ruger comes with some of the toughest scope mounts ever. The base's are cast right into the reciever.

I absolutely hate it when people try to look like LEO's or Milatary personel. Why what is the point? I have a truck so I can put stuff in the bed and haul heavy stuff around not so I can call myself a truck driver. When I put my Coverall's on it is to keep me warm when I am working on a car not because I want to look like Mac the Mechanic. Why would anyone want to have all kinds of junk bolted to their shotgun if they are not part of an Entry Team with their local SWAT unit? I think Ihear the answere it has got to be one of two things A)More money then brains. B)Could not cut it inthe real world so now they just dream about what they would have done if they had made it through (insert agency or para-milatary unit of your choice here)! Hey the worse thing I would do is laugh at you if I saw you pull that heap of iron out as your shotgun.... It makes me think of Barney Fife from Mayberry the Andy Grifith Show......Can you say Nepolean Complex!!!LOL

OLNfan I just want to be clear that if I saw someone with shotgun show up at the range I would be laughing my but off on the inside not matter what. No shotgun should have to have that much junk bolted to it.First if the folding stock was not their you would be able to use the iron as issues sights. With the stock up can you even use your Halo sight or is it partialy obsecured still by the folding stock. Then you added a magazine extension to get what as your total now? Best not take that thing hunting anyplace in the USA Mr. Canada because hunting with anything not pluged to reduce it to 2 rounds is a huge penalty.Then you have a flashlight and a laser pointer. Then a verticle forward grip with wires going out to your electrical bit's and pieces. I would be suprised if you could hold that thing out straight for more then a few seconds before your arm's started to get weak and shaky. That is a lot of junk to stick on the nose of a shotgun. I have never missed at a shooting range come to think of it I have never missed with a shotgun ever. I know why too! When I am hunting with a shotgun which is most of Michigan I treat it just like a bow and try to get as close as I can. Often my shot's are less then 40 yards. You have taken what is basicly a high tech club(the shotgun) and made it into something that could not possably work as well as it did from the factory. If all you had was a flash light on it I would not laugh that much because their are times when it would be nice if it where not against the law to have a flashlight on my hunting shotgun but the rest of the junk looks like a 12 year old got hold of your dredit card and a Cabella's catalog and went crazy! In the end though all that really matter is that you like it but I dare say that no one is obligated to like your creation and a good many of us pureist are going to laugh. That thing would only make sense if you are the first one throw the door with a swat team.

coldshot
March 28, 2009, 12:41 AM
There are loads of range snobs out there, I've gotten many disapproving looks for shooting my 3-1/2 inch sx3, synthetic stock with a 28 inch barrel at my club. For a few months that was all I had to shoot, so I started bringing my dad's m37, and I still got those looks because I was using a pump gun. I guess range rats just don't cotton to my kind, but they cant keep me away. I go at least twice a month, and make friends with the other new guys with entry level guns.

B.L.E.
March 28, 2009, 06:04 AM
There are loads of range snobs out there, I've gotten many disapproving looks for shooting my 3-1/2 inch sx3, synthetic stock with a 28 inch barrel at my club. For a few months that was all I had to shoot, so I started bringing my dad's m37, and I still got those looks because I was using a pump gun. I guess range rats just don't cotton to my kind, but they cant keep me away. I go at least twice a month, and make friends with the other new guys with entry level guns.

I bet they hate it even more when you outscore them.

There's a lot of snobs with $4000 guns who would have been better off buying an inexpensive pump gun from Wal Mart and spending the rest of that money on a good shooting coach and ammo to practice with.

Double Naught Spy
March 28, 2009, 08:09 AM
I have never missed at a shooting range come to think of it I have never missed with a shotgun ever.

Yeah, I never miss either, ever. :rolleyes:

I take it that you don't shoot clays.