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#18indycolts
March 13, 2009, 04:11 PM
Just bought some 00buck and the cover has this flight control wad, whats this do and how does it work?

inSight-NEO
March 13, 2009, 05:17 PM
Im not sure about the specifics concerning the flite control wad used in the LE Tactical loads, but I can speak from experience when I say these allow for very tight patterns at considerable distances. For instance, out of my Benelli (18" smoothbore), I was able to keep all 9 pellets on target at roughly 40 to 45 yards. Of course, some of this may have had something to do with the hard chromed bore, not sure.

Within "practical" buckshot distances (7 to 25 yards) the pattern was insanely tight and very consistent. All of this with low-recoil rounds; needless to say, I was impressed.

Not to nitpick here, but its "flite" not "flight"; at least how Federal spells this feature.

colostomyclown
March 13, 2009, 05:21 PM
what the hell is a "shottie round"?

inSight-NEO
March 13, 2009, 05:26 PM
what the hell is a "shottie round"?


I think he meant, umm, shotty..no wait, shotgun. :rolleyes: ;)

rantingredneck
March 13, 2009, 05:35 PM
The flight control wad has fins that expand upon leaving the bore and slow the wad down releasing the shot from the shotcup in a more controlled manner. Traditional wads can fly through the shot cloud and blow the pattern. Very tight patterns compared to traditional buckshot shells.

Waterengineer
March 13, 2009, 05:50 PM
Indycolts:

Keep up. Did you not see the thread that went on, and on, and on about the word "shottie?"

If you want to play along with us geezers "shotguns" is the game.

.45 COLT
March 13, 2009, 10:14 PM
This is a slightly used Federal FliteControl wad. The petals are at the rear of the wad. The flaps on the side open on exit, stripping the wad from the shot.

http://i236.photobucket.com/albums/ff176/_DMC/Flite_Control_wad.jpg

DC

4thPointofContact
March 14, 2009, 01:34 AM
Federal's shotshell rounds are usually considered Very good stuff and I'll third and forth that opinion. My 930 SPX gives 6-7inch patterns at 25 yards with Federal's LE132-00 reduced recoil buckshot. (Hell, I can't hold a 7 inch group at 25 yards :( )..

Here is a conversion list for the Law Enforcement rounds to the Flight Control equivalents, or as close as they come....

LE127-00 ..... PFC154-00
9ea 00 buck 1325 fps

LE132-00 ..... PFC154-00 LR
9ea 00 buck 1145fps Low recoil

LE133-00 ..... No equivalent
8ea 00 buck 1145

LE133-00PR .....No equivalent
8ea 00 buck 1145. Supposedly the shot remains in the shotcup until impact, functioning like a "MagSafe" for buckshot. Very little literature about it found so far. (which means I could be 179-degrees off)


LEB127 RS ..... PB127RS
TruBall Rifled Slug, 1oz 1600

LEB127 LRS .....PB127LRS
Low Recoil TruBall Slug 1oz. 1300fps



^ List courtesy of FMD on Shotgunworld.com

charles isaac
March 14, 2009, 11:22 AM
You don't by chance call your Colts "Colties", do you?

Gats Italian
March 14, 2009, 02:19 PM
There are just to many hip-hoppin' morons running around stealing oxygen these days.

"Shottie" is seven letters just to use a non-word that brands one as an idiot.
"Shotgun" is also seven letters, but saves one from coming off like a complete tool.

Unless these low IQ specimens "think" this is a generational thing it is not. It's an issue of being a man versus being a punk.

inSight-NEO
March 15, 2009, 04:42 PM
Keep up. Did you not see the thread that went on, and on, and on about the word "shottie?"

If you want to play along with us geezers "shotguns" is the game.


You don't by chance call your Colts "Colties", do you?


There are just to many hip-hoppin' morons running around stealing oxygen these days.

"Shottie" is seven letters just to use a non-word that brands one as an idiot.
"Shotgun" is also seven letters, but saves one from coming off like a complete tool.

Unless these low IQ specimens "think" this is a generational thing it is not. It's an issue of being a man versus being a punk.

Yikes....Enough about this guys "shottie" comment. Heck, even Ive used the term "shotty" (not shottie) on occasion and have yet to receive any complaints. After all, this is the internet and therefore, shorthand, slang, acronyms or whatever, is par for the course. Get used to it. Besides, I think we all are intelligent enough to know that this guy was referring to "shotgun." So give him a break on this one and lets all worry about more important things. ;)

lipadj46
March 15, 2009, 04:54 PM
Man sounds like some people here need to check their depends and take a nap. Don't worry about those kids on your lawn.

Cerick
March 15, 2009, 04:59 PM
http://www.thefiringline.com/forums/showthread.php?t=307308

That is a link to a range report where I shot some federal 12ga tactical 00buck w/flite control. check it out.

Gats Italian
March 15, 2009, 05:28 PM
Man sounds like some people here need to check their depends and take a nap. Don't worry about those kids on your lawn.

Meanwhile, others need to graduate out of their Huggies, put down the drool soaked game controller, and wait for their balls to drop before getting on the internet with their social retard lingo.

Kmar40
March 15, 2009, 05:47 PM
I hate the Gangsta Wannabe Malibu's Most Wanted Vanilla Ice types as much as the next guy.... but do you find it funny that one of the guys taking offense to the term shotty is using the screen name "gat"? :) Humorous, methinks.

inSight-NEO
March 15, 2009, 05:49 PM
Meanwhile, others need to graduate out of their Huggies, put down the drool soaked game controller, and wait for their balls to drop before getting on the internet with their social retard lingo.

Id like to comment, wait..I need to put down my Xbox controller (I have a scorching game of Gears of War 2 in process). The individual who started this thread may not have been "in the know" in terms of whats deemed "correct" nomenclature here. Either that or he simply didnt/doesnt care (similar to myself). Regardless, this is a weapons forum...not a grammatical one. Besides, I have yet to see any Rhodes scholar types here myself.

So, as I mentioned before, lets give this guy a break and try to help him out rather than reducing ourselves to the equivalent of the proverbial high school bully.

lipadj46
March 15, 2009, 06:11 PM
Meanwhile, others need to graduate out of their Huggies, put down the drool soaked game controller, and wait for their balls to drop before getting on the internet with their social retard lingo.

I sold my xbox to buy baby formula and the only huggies being changed here are my daughter's. This is stupid to bust on a guy for calling a a shotgun by a nickname.

dogtown tom
March 15, 2009, 07:13 PM
If this "shotties" term becomes common, do we look forward to Riffies, Pissies & Revos?

:barf::barf::barf:

lipadj46
March 15, 2009, 07:34 PM
No but if a guy comes around here talking of "shotties" then maybe we could politely tell him that a shotgun is serious tool that deserves respect and should be called by its proper name. Then we could actually answer his questions instead of acting like crotchety old farts.

Gats Italian
March 15, 2009, 07:40 PM
I hate the Gangsta Wannabe Malibu's Most Wanted Vanilla Ice types as much as the next guy.... but do you find it funny that one of the guys taking offense to the term shotty is using the screen name "gat"? Humorous, methinks.

My handle is an attempt at a pun of "That's Italian," since I prefer weapons from the peninsula.

There's nothing remotely amusing about "shottie" or "shotty."


Maybe that is harsh. It is amusing visualizing the 'tards who drop such words while expecting respect.

hogdogs
March 15, 2009, 07:49 PM
Gats, Your handle is not a pun on "that's Italian" if it were it would be THATZ Italian Yours is an attempt to use one of the sorriest gangsta slang terms for a pistol and you well know it!
Brent

Gats Italian
March 15, 2009, 07:58 PM
Well, the "gats" is the punning change from "dat's" or "thatz" or what have you. You got me there.

I view handles as the one place where people can call themselves what they wish. I don't run around calling pistols gats.

Talking or writing like that as a matter of habit would be, well, extremely stupid.

Kind of like calling my Mossberg a Mossy would be.

inSight-NEO
March 15, 2009, 07:59 PM
Kind of like calling my Mossberg a Mossy would be.

I call my Mossberg a "Mossy" quite often. I figure anybody who is familiar with "Mossberg" would recognize the phrase. Its light-hearted, conversational and in no way indicative of my intelligence or lack thereof. Blah..aren't (are not), could've, (could have), should've (should have), isn't (is not), etc., etc., ad nauseum.....you get the idea.

As Ive mentioned before, I drop the term "shotty" on a rare occasion. This term isnt meant to provoke or demand "respect." Its simply a phrase I use when I get tired of using the word "shotgun" all of the time or if I merely feel like simulating a "true" conversation. I also assume that, again, any intelligent individual will understand what I am saying.

Ive seen plenty of people use "correct" vocabulary while still having absolutely no idea what they are talking about. So, lighten up, grab a beer (if you drink) and enjoy! Lets all have fun here. :D

BTW- This thread is approaching the realm of "considerably off topic," in terms of responses (mine included). This usually results in a locked/closed thread. So, lets get back on topic and not let this thing swirl into the abyss of uselessness.

Cerick
March 16, 2009, 12:01 AM
Can we talk about ammunition please? :D

rem870hunter
March 16, 2009, 02:52 AM
i tried box of federal tactical 9 ball OO last year. shots at 10,15 yards it hit like one big wad. at 25 and 30 yards it was open more.

#18indycolts
March 18, 2009, 07:37 AM
GATS ITALIAN WROTE:Meanwhile, others need to graduate out of their Huggies, put down the drool soaked game controller, and wait for their balls to drop before getting on the internet with their social retard lingo.

you should learn to listen to your advice, coming from someone with GATS in their name. Also, thanx for those that actually commented on the QUESTION. Regardless of you lingo nazi's, this is america and I could care less what the "proper" term is. Thanx to all that actually wasted their time on making it a point on what to call a shotgun. My shottie thanx you also. And to call me a kid is ignorant...anyone ever seen what a SHOTTIE round does to flesh? Anyone? I don't read about, I don't sit on an internet forum board and hypothesize about it or make up fake scenario's. This kid has been face to face with real bullet wounds. So please don't make any more stupid presumptions about me just because of how I called a shotgun.

buzz_knox
March 18, 2009, 08:04 AM
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oletymer
March 18, 2009, 11:13 AM
A lot of the posters here have seen face to face combat. A lot of us did not have air support to soften up the enemy. You actually went face to face with the ememy. So in short don't assume you know more about warfare than the old guys you put down.

Homerboy
March 18, 2009, 06:05 PM
I gotta admit the term "shotty" annoys me. Not enough to start a flame war, but I DO roll my eyes and picture a mall ninja when I see or hear it. Same goes for Remmy, Mossy, etc. Just seems stupid to me. The again, I roll my eyes when someone uses "kicks" for shoes (Got me some new kicks), or when I hear " I got pulled over by Five-OH" Just makes a person seem like a complete tool.

inSight-NEO
March 19, 2009, 07:21 PM
I gotta admit the term "shotty" annoys me. Not enough to start a flame war, but I DO roll my eyes and picture a mall ninja when I see or hear it. Same goes for Remmy, Mossy, etc. Just seems stupid to me. The again, I roll my eyes when someone uses "kicks" for shoes (Got me some new kicks), or when I hear " I got pulled over by Five-OH" Just makes a person seem like a complete tool.

I can see your point, particularly regarding the "kicks" and "Five-O" slang. The others dont bother me so much, if not abused or used out of context. As I mentioned before, Ive seen plenty of those who strictly adhere to "correct" nomenclature regarding weapons, yet have no idea what they are talking about. To me, true ignorance is far more annoying and noticeable than light-hearted slang ever will be.

As to the guy who started this thread, you asked a legit question and deserve nothing more than a legit answer. I have mentioned this before in an earlier post, but I will reiterate that the Federal LE rounds are capable of very tight patterns at considerable distances vs "standard" SG (yes... I mean shotgun) rounds. I like them and choose to continue using them for HD duty.

Brigadier
June 4, 2009, 10:28 AM
Mossberg 930, 18.5" cylinder bore, 25 yards, 5 shots of Fed PFC 154 00. [3 slugs to the head to check for POA/POI]

Note: this is the full power version, not the reduced recoil load.

http://www.fototime.com/B8ADF5ECCB2D452/standard.jpg

levrluvr
June 4, 2009, 12:12 PM
Brigadier- It appears that you are fairly comfortable with your Mossberg. ;)
If you can hit with a slug with that kind of accuracy, you won't ever need buck.:)

Brigadier
June 4, 2009, 01:23 PM
Brigadier- It appears that you are fairly comfortable with your Mossberg.
If you can hit with a slug with that kind of accuracy, you won't ever need buck.

Thanks. And that was the first time I had shot it. I had just run 25 rounds of birdshot thru it to confirm functioning, then patterned it with the defensive buckshot, and checked POA/POI of slugs. I am very pleased with the gun.

I prefer buckshot as it has a greater chance of staying in the perp's body vs slugs. I use slugs for hard cover or to increase range.

http://www.fototime.com/D2FE485A659AD33/standard.jpg

TxGun
June 4, 2009, 02:41 PM
I agree, IMO these "cute" little terms like "shotty" ("shottie"?) do sound somewhat like an adolescent playing at a grownup's game. I think most people find it just a little silly. But again, that's JMO :) .

Katrina Guy
June 5, 2009, 09:56 AM
...crappie.

Kmar40
June 5, 2009, 06:16 PM
You say Mali, I say bu.

Mali!

Boooooo!

Represent!!!!

chuckles
June 7, 2009, 04:49 PM
At the risk of ruining the thread with ammo talk, Ammo to Go has the Federal LE-132-00 Low recoil 9 pellet in stock right now. About .80/round delivered in 250 rd. cases. It is IMHO the best Buckshot around. Back to the "shottie" dust-up.:D

Zilmo
June 7, 2009, 05:03 PM
I've decided to find it "cute".

shortwave
June 7, 2009, 09:53 PM
I`d like to post but I have to go take a crappie Where are you going to take this fish?:D I find it humorous that someone talking about respect(or lack there-of) when speaking of a weapon can refer to other TFL members as punks, retards or talking about testicals dropping(women TFL members here, just in case you didn`t know:rolleyes:) . Gotta suggestion: show TFL members the same respect you show your shotgun and PM your crude remarks. Don`t care to read em. Thanks in advance. Brigadier, thats some good shooting. Anyone have any pics of the patterns in specialty H/D 'low recoil' rds. at say 10 to 20 yds.?

Positrack
June 8, 2009, 12:49 AM
I never realized people took such offense at the slang terms until I started perusing the message board here and at THR. I must say "thanks" though, as I've always wondered just what the hell a "gat" was. And now I know. And it still makes no sense...

All I can say is I call my pickup a "Chevy." It's old and crotchety but doesn't seem to mind. :D

Katrina Guy
June 8, 2009, 10:34 PM
WHEW, some rude, you fixn get a good fussn ats fer bein so crude yea.