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Wallabing
March 11, 2009, 02:09 PM
While I was on the range today, I was setting down my case to unpack my gun, until I heard frantic yelling all around me. I looked down the range and I

SAW A GUY WALKING DOWN THE RANGE WHILE THERE WAS LIVE FIRE

I stood there awestruck while stood there. There was a ceasefire for around 20 minutes after that incident, and to my suprise the guy just was joking and laughing around with his group of buddies like it was nothing afterwards with no ear or eye protection on the range.

*Face palm*

dmickey
March 11, 2009, 03:01 PM
Yep! Some people don't have the sense that they were born with. :barf:

Brian Pfleuger
March 11, 2009, 03:22 PM
It's fairly amazing that he was allowed to stay there to joke with his friends.

rantingredneck
March 11, 2009, 03:27 PM
My thought too. Why didn't the RO or owner kick him off the range?

grymster2007
March 11, 2009, 07:48 PM
He would be shown the door (gate) on the range I favor. They might even ban him for life. What an idiot!

TEDDY
March 11, 2009, 07:50 PM
safty is every bodys responsiblity!!!!!I have been on range and saw a safty violation and had a talk with the person.It was settled right then.If the person had given me a hard time I would walk away and call police.:rolleyes:

gregjc9
March 11, 2009, 07:52 PM
This is why I've been going to the NRA range as of late. Dont have to worry about that kind of garbage. They dont put up with stuff like that.

TEDDY
March 11, 2009, 07:53 PM
as an add on there is to much "combat" style shooting,the new shooter wants to shoot fast and many why??learn to shoot acuratly then and only then move on to the next stage.:rolleyes::eek:

MrNiceGuy
March 11, 2009, 07:55 PM
I hang a darwin award underneath the range rules.
Below the darwin award is a sign that reads, To be awarded to the next person who is stupid enough to break these rules"


http://img90.imageshack.us/img90/9306/cunningplan.jpg

sdj
March 11, 2009, 10:38 PM
Perhaps a suicide attempt? :o

Re4mer
March 12, 2009, 12:15 AM
That's the one thing I don't like about public ranges is that they tend to have the occasional crazy yahoo.

scotsgun
March 28, 2009, 01:37 PM
Some people just ask for it.

I was once on a large range in the UK called Bisley. We were shooting at 600yds when a numpty from the 300yd range decided to take a short-cut to the food stall by walking right through our range - half way down!

My mate confessed to letting a round off just as he saw a dark blurr enter his scope picture.

2amencw
March 28, 2009, 05:27 PM
I had the exact same thing a few weeks back. Then the guy put 0/100 into the target but 100/100 into the dirt in front of the target. I gave a little free coaching and politely recommended a shooting class for him. He was absolutely green by his own admission. He was an eager student. He kinda ticked me off initially with his safety issues but he was willing to learn and had a good attitude. A promising shooter.

LoneWolf22056
March 28, 2009, 11:55 PM
I had the exact same thing a few weeks back. Then the guy put 0/100 into the target but 100/100 into the dirt in front of the target. I gave a little free coaching and politely recommended a shooting class for him. He was absolutely green by his own admission. He was an eager student. He kinda ticked me off initially with his safety issues but he was willing to learn and had a good attitude. A promising shooter.

each range has a different set of safety rules. new people can't be expected to follow everything exactly right, as they're programmed to act in the way they were previously told.

example:
At a range I visited in Geneva, the rule was "muzzle up" or downrange. At the range where I am a member, you are either pointing "muzzle down" or downrange. Which one is safer? They both have pros and cons.

Being ticked off at someone over a "safety issue" means you got way too personal. Let them know, and then let it go. There are only a few universal rules, but much of it depends on range rules and the environment.

chemgirlie
March 29, 2009, 03:49 AM
People never cease to amaze me. I guess there's always going to be a crazy or two. If I ever committed a safety infraction I would probably be too embarrassed to ever show my face at that range again.

Dingoboyx
March 29, 2009, 04:14 AM
+100 on your post :D

People doing the wrong thing at your range, but is perfectly legal and correct at his home range is a fair mistake, and he/she be asked to conform to the range ruled at the range he is visiting.

But a clown doing something so stoopid as to walk on a live range...... well, as the saying goes.... You cant fix Stoopid!

That would be an instant "Get the flock out of here, and dont come back" at any range I have ever been to :eek:

I mean, what other basic safety rules would he forget to exercise?

Afraid he is an accident looking for a place to happen :(

Muzza

THEZACHARIAS
March 29, 2009, 07:04 AM
Stupid people: #1 reason I keep quickclot in my first aid kit and range bag.

2amencw
March 29, 2009, 08:05 AM
Hey Lone Wolf , If somebody pointed a condition one weapon at you two different times with their finger on the trigger and also constantly putting them in the dirt and the RO nowhere to be found.( If I do any rapid fire (10rnds/2 mins) practice or hit the berm too high I get stood behind by the RO) you would probably take it a little personally. Besides, the behavior of walking around with your pistol saying , "there's something wrong with this thing." and pulling the trigger. I am one of the most easy-going guys on the range. I have a pet peave about a condition 1 weapon being shoved, handed, pointed etc in my or anyone's direction. I am not a part time shooter. I have carried a CHL for over 15 yrs and competed for quite a while as well. I have no problem taking time out of my range time to help somebody else. I let people try out some of my interesting guns on a regular basis. There needs to be a minimum skills check off when you sign in a range if you havent been there before. I think you missed the point of my original post. His behavior ticked me off when it appeared to be stupidity but when it became obvious that it was an experience/ignorance of range etiquette issue it became a teacheable moment. Kinda like right now....CW

standerson
March 30, 2009, 01:41 AM
I quit going to one particular range because of knuckleheads like that. I was shooting one day and heard a guy a couple of stalls down, shoot, swear, rack the slide, shoot, swear, rack the slide, over and over.

I stepped back to reload my mags and looked at him. He had a 1911, with his finger on the trigger, trying to rack the slide, all while pointed at me. I stepped back up into the stall and yelled for him to point the weapon down range and I'd help him with it.

The range master wanted to know what was wrong. When I told him, he just shrugged his shoulders and said "No harm, no foul, he didn't know any better"

I called him several choice names, packed up my gear and left.

snowdog650
March 30, 2009, 03:14 PM
http://s157.photobucket.com/albums/t74/snowdog650/th_MSCAstressedMan.jpg

Moron.

LoneWolf22056
March 30, 2009, 07:55 PM
If I do any rapid fire (10rnds/2 mins) practice

that's rapid fire?

10 rounds... 2 min.... 120 seconds... 1 round every 12 seconds.

that's not rapid at all on a pistol range. it's not even moderately rapid on a normal rifle range either.... you must have some real range nazis where you shoot!

2amencw
April 6, 2009, 10:04 PM
yes , I actually got talked to about that at this range?! can you believe that?

SigSauerIsBetter
April 6, 2009, 10:11 PM
1 round every 12 seconds is silly. Find a new range or at least one with a qualified RSO. I practice double and triple taps. How would that work on that range? LOL!

Favorite posting is the guy muzzling himself because he forgot ear-pro, while rocking an ATF hat. Life is good.

trigger happy
April 6, 2009, 10:31 PM
try a shooting range in Alabama or Mississippi, you would be amazed at all the things you may see. One time I saw a guy shoot himself in the leg with a Ruger Mark 2 loaded with hollowpoints

Hellbilly5000
April 8, 2009, 06:59 PM
reds here in austin is like that you cant rapid fire you cant quick draw and fire
then again they had a comleate failer of a person get stupid there the other day

From what I heard they had a young lady come in pay to take to shooting lessons rented a gun bought ammo took the shooting course. When the instructor turned around she put the gun to her head pulled the trigger and missed. she did manage to take off a piece of her scalp and give herself a haircut. (im still trying to figure out how she missed)

evan1293
April 9, 2009, 05:19 AM
safty

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as an add on there is to much "combat" style shooting,the new shooter wants to shoot fast and many why??learn to shoot acuratly then and only then move on to the next stage.


The problem with eliminating any kind of rapid fire from ranges is that it keeps people at the basic level. When people are ready to advance, often they can't because many/ most ranges only allow slow fire.

Good shooters, if allowed to become such, can still maintain a high degree of accuracy while shooting quickly.

bigautomatic
April 12, 2009, 07:56 AM
Its really up to all of us to keep things safe. If a range has multiple shooting areas/ranges, a single RO can't be everywhere at once, and there are more folks that are new to our sport coming to the ranges than ever. I find that small public ranges that don't employ an RO can be the most dangerous, and thats where the more experienced folks need to step up and help educate the less experienced with safety issues.
On the other hand, some folks are indeed simply dangerous to be around. Wether it be in a car, at the range, or in hazardous working conditions. They don't want your help, and things can escalate quickly with this type of person. In this case, you just have to use your own judgement. I have packed up and left public ranges more than once. Self preservation has to kick in at some point.

MAGNUMKASH
April 12, 2009, 06:05 PM
He would have been thrown off in about 10 seconds at the range where I RSO. I do not tolerate stupidity.

FM12
April 12, 2009, 08:43 PM
Stupid is as stupid does, Forrest Gump. My favorite "gumpism".

bababooey32
April 13, 2009, 03:56 PM
Hellbilly,

Was that Red's North or South? I've been to the Suth location...kinda creeps me out for some reason. I'm still a newb, but I am vigilant about gun safety, perhaps to the point of paranoia.

I even point loaded magazines away from others!:D

The RO at Red's south didn't seem to pay much attention when I was there. As for rapid fire, 1 round per second appears to be fine at Reds...

Brian Pfleuger
April 13, 2009, 04:37 PM
From what I heard they had a young lady come in pay to take to shooting lessons rented a gun bought ammo took the shooting course. When the instructor turned around she put the gun to her head pulled the trigger and missed


I've known some really bad shots in my life, heck, my brother couldn't hit a deer broad-side at 15 yards, but how in the world do you miss YOURSELF? That seems like an "I don't r-e-a-l-l-y want to die." moment.

camogun
April 14, 2009, 08:47 AM
I have the greatest respect for R Lee Ermy and I always watched Mail Call. But,I wish he would of put a disclaimer on his show that instructed people to have some respect for their shooting ranges by cleaning up after themselves.There are some fools that try to imitate R Lee by using watermelons as targets. That can be fun as long as people remove their targets when they are done shooting. I just can't stand having gnats and fruit flies hovering around me while I'm trying to site in my rifle. If these people would use alittle common sence and show some respect by helping to keep the range clean,then we can all enjoy our shooting time.Also if people would act responsible and mature when handling firearms then we won't have any incidents that will give the Antigunners any ammo to use against us.

SigSauerIsBetter
April 24, 2009, 11:19 AM
Amen brother.

fatboy02
May 4, 2009, 06:11 PM
a couple of months ago I was at my CPL class, we got down to the range for that portion of the class there was some idiot spotting a target from three feet next to it for a guy trying to site in a scope on a .22 rifle! :confused: . Could not beleve it, They left after a short conversation with the instructor. :)

Hellbilly5000
May 4, 2009, 06:15 PM
bababooey it was reds south

TEDDY
May 5, 2009, 11:24 AM
arm does not have to clean up it is done by others after the shooting stops.
NRA match rules =low fire 30 minutes/timed fire=30 seconds/ rapid fire 10 seconds.
better to be slow and accurate than fast and miss.
many police shoot as fast as they can and dont hit.
50 shots fired two hits,woonsocket RI.
can you keep all shots in 4" at 50 ft?
no wonder there is a shortage of ammo.:rolleyes::eek:

oldone
May 5, 2009, 12:02 PM
Is double tapping considered rapid fire?

Bongogator
May 6, 2009, 12:37 AM
There is a free range about 60 miles away. It's a pretty long drive to shoot. It's in the woods and most of the time it's great. There were these morons that couldn't shoot a broad side of a barn. So, they threw some can's about 10ft on the ground and started shooting. Sand and dirt flying everywhere. And all over everyone shooting. I'll give him credit, he did hit it twice out of 11. LOL! The last few times, it has been packed and you have to wait.

That was just the last straw. Now, I shoot indoors where the lighting is bad and your gun get's too hot to fast. It's only a max of 50 yards. But, I will take what I can.

Yes, double tapping is rapid fire.

JohnLaird
June 1, 2009, 01:39 PM
I must be living in a closet. The worst thing that I have encountered was a fat bubba with a tacticool AR-15 shooting at one of my targets.

J.Smith
June 2, 2009, 08:56 AM
Seems like you run into 3 types of people at ranges. Fake thugs/gangsters who shoot sideways and out of their lane and are removed quickly, tacticool folks who are more or less safe, but you still have to laugh at the 10 pounds of junk bolted and taped to that Ruger 10/22, and then the average shooter. Everyone has accidents, but in my experience the fake thug gangsters ans guys trying to show off for their girlfriends are the most dangerous.

Brian Pfleuger
June 2, 2009, 10:28 AM
Everyone has accidents,...

I'm either not everyone or you have a strange definition of accident. The only accident I've ever had at the range is missing my POA. I'm guessing most others here would take exception from your statement as well.

J.Smith
June 2, 2009, 03:18 PM
Taken out of context. Accident meaning in life, it just seems like those types of people have accidents when handling firearms.

HKFan9
June 2, 2009, 09:21 PM
Ill admit I made a newbie mistake once upon a time. My range is a free public one so you get all kinds of nut cases up there. I had just made my transition from rifle shooting to handgun shooting and I knew all the safety rules such as clear and hot, down or downrange, never handle a weapon while people are down range, loaded or not, however, I did not know your only allowed 6 rounds in a handgun at the range. So there I am, HK USP 9mm in hand, 15+1 one, making sure it fed ok :rolleyes:. I was told nicely that I could get in trouble with that many rounds, and its never been a problem since.

Skans
June 10, 2009, 10:26 AM
Although it's been a long time since I've been a newbie to shooting, I remember very well my first shooting experiences. The first thing I learned was "HOT" "COLD" meant. I can honestly say that I've never, EVER done one of the following while handling a gun or shooting at a range:

1. "sweep" an area with the muzzle of my gun
2. point a gun at an individual
3. walk out on a range when it was still HOT
4. have an accidental discharge while shooting or while cleaning my guns
5. shoot anything that wasn't down range
6. have a gun hit me in the face for not holding it properly
7. suffer any injury or cause injury to others as a result of shooting

I started shooting .22 rifles when I was 7 years old and handguns when I was about 14. My parents didn't own guns so I had to get my training elsewhere. Gun Safety is a mindset made up of a very healthy dose of respect, ritual, setting and following personal safety rules and other people's rules, no matter how stupid you may think they are.

jon_in_wv
June 11, 2009, 08:02 AM
There are two ranges close to my house.
One is a state owned range run buy a master shooter who enforces pretty strict rules. He allows me to shoot ass fast as I like on the pistol range but slowfire only on the rifle range with no high capacity mags. ( He is setting up another shooting area for rapid shooting rifles like my AK. ) The range is clean, safe, and I have had very few problems there. I avoid it right before deer season when all the yokels come out to sight in their deer guns but other than that it is a great place to shoot. Pistol range up to 50 yards and rifle range up to 1000.
The other is also a state owned range but there is no range master, no one watches the range. Its covered with trash and spent brass. I've seen every safety violation there is at this place. People walk downrange on a hot range, they don't sweep the firing line with their muzzle they will just have their muzzle pointed at you and don't give it a second thought. One day I went to that range and there was a guy shooting at a target at the 100 yard berm. The 50 yard berm is right next to it and there were two guys standing down range about 10 feet from the target shooting. So the guy at the 100 was shooting right past their heads at his target. They told me to go ahead and start shooting, they didn't mind, "Just don't shoot us, ha ha". I told them the easiest way to assure that was if I didn't do anything that STUPID. I'd wait until they were done. They all got mad, put their guns away, and left. That was probably the smartest thing they did all day.

Composer_1777
June 30, 2009, 07:04 PM
The range i go to is strict and helpful (outdoor) it was my buddies first time shooting and the Range master came and gave him a session on shooting just out of common courtesy. Very awesome range and they won't even let you sit rifles down without the chamber locked and on the rack. Guess i'm lucky... jesus.

Ozzieman
July 4, 2009, 10:14 AM
Had the opposite of yours several weekends ago at our range.
Range director called a cease fire and put up the sign and every one got up from there long guns and several people walked down range to work on there targets,,, I was one of them.
I was placing a target on the back board and started hearing some yelling behind me.
Looked behind, there was this gentleman on his bench, gun on his shoulder looking down the scope at the target. He was setting two positions down from where I had been shooting from.
He quickly got up from his gun.
When I got back to my position he was arguing with the Range director that he had not done any thing unsafe, the gun was not loaded (But the bolt was closed I heard later) and he was just looking at his targets.
At our range when a cease fire is called you step away from your gun (Which he had) and you are not to mess with them in any way when some one is down range and the cease fire still in place.
He permanently lost his use of the range,,, not for the mistake,,, people will make mistakes and that’s something we have to put up with, but after arguing with the range director for over 10 minutes, the range director reached over and pulled his range card and told him to leave.
He looked around for some one to back him up and found out he had no friends that day. Called us all a couple of names that I won’t share here, since I want to continue to be a member of this great forum, and he left.
Range safety and rules cant protect you from stupid people, keep your eyes open.:eek:

Creature
July 4, 2009, 10:23 AM
Interesting. Everyone seems to be slamming the silly patron...but not the range itself. I am far more curious why it happened in the first place.

Did anyone investigate WHY the patron thought there was a cease fire? Since everyone is required to wear hearing protection, what visual indicators are in place for quick and easy discernment that the range was HOT (there have been many instances where I have been on a "hot range" where there was no actual gun fire happening for whatever reason...reloading, discussion, scope sighting, etc.). One example of a visual indicator would be a lit red light in each stall and another red light visible from all lanes behind the firing line.

Finally, WHAT if anything was done to preclude that mistake from happening again?

rbones
July 5, 2009, 01:47 PM
Here in central Florida, there's been a rash of suicides and murder-suicides at local gun ranges- they even rent the guns to these idiots. Makes one wonder about safety at a place where safety should be the #1 concern...

Jason607
July 5, 2009, 08:13 PM
Every village has it's idiot. What is scary is that he probally drives a car too, and I hate to give you nightmares but he's probally breeding. At least when he's doing something stupid like that he's only putting himself at risk.

Sounds like a darwin award contender. I think part of the problem is there are too many safegaurds in place, idiots survive to reproduce and take out others in thier wake.

We all do stupid stuff at times, but some people have to keep raising the bar.

DanThaMan
July 16, 2009, 06:00 PM
This sounds exactly like the same thing that happened to me about a year ago. I just set down my rifle bag and was getting my 10/22 out (remember it like it was yesterday) and some idiot walks directly from his car to the target during live fire. Same after effect. Some people...

Dave_Shotgun
July 17, 2009, 04:39 PM
It's idiots like these that put the rest of us rational, civilized human beings in danger. I will be getting my first shotgun soon and will be going to a shooting range for the first time. I just hope that the range is properly run and has a good Range Officer.

Catfish25p2000
July 17, 2009, 07:52 PM
I belong to a private club that does not have a R/O. The club I belong to is not a blasting club, it is a competition club, so they assume that the members have some sense of range safety. A few months ago, we had a guy walk right past the rifle range, right past the sign at the pistol range that clearly states "no rifles, pistols only", and procede to shoot FMJ's out of an AK at 15 yards at our steel plates. He not only destroyed the plates, he also left the range in an ambulance with one eye less than he came with. He had either a ricochet come back and hit him in the eye, or part of a steel plate come back and get him. Last I heard, he was still in the hospital. Dumb ass!

Venom1956
July 18, 2009, 04:29 AM
Wow. I have my own range at my house. So many of your stories are strange and unfamiliar. I can relate to the "THUG, TACTICOOL, and NORMAL shooters" usually the people I invite to shoot with me are informed of my range rules. treat gun as if it were load etc. and I don't have many problems. I've had some turn towards me with a live weapon, usually their first time out. Easily corrected, but still not fun. I've banned one person from my range period for not respecting me, my firearms, or my rules. he fired two of my pistols one in each hand not really aiming, then tracked them across my house, aimed them at me. then dropped them both on the table. Needless to say guns were packed up locked up and he was asked to leave.

magblast
July 18, 2009, 07:33 AM
I was at a outdoor range one day the range was called cold so people could go down range to change and check targets I look down the covered shooting area and see a guy with two of his friends picking up a rifle and moving it to another shooting station:eek:.I told him that you do not touch a weapon while the range is cold he acted like I said his mother was working the streets almost escalated to a bad situation. Luckily there were a lot of other members there to help him understand his mistake.I do not go to public ranges any more its just to my friends house now it is worth the drive .

Brian Pfleuger
July 18, 2009, 10:13 AM
I must admit that I'm glad there aren't any public ranges in my area, although, the private ranges are entirely unsupervised so it's maybe not much better. Paying money for access doesn't make you smart.

Manning Munitions
July 19, 2009, 11:37 AM
My opinion......you shoulda...........well lets just say he wouldnt have done it again :rolleyes:

MLeake
July 19, 2009, 06:39 PM
I've heard some odd range rules before, but those two are way up there.

Question for those whose ranges have such rules: How clearly are they posted? Are they on waiver forms? Are they on the walls?

How consistent is enforcement?

Trashcan-man
August 2, 2009, 12:17 AM
I did not know your only allowed 6 rounds in a handgun at the range.

Is this a common rule. I have to say I've never read or heard this in my life. I am semi new to range shooting. I shot a lot as a kid on my grandfather's ranch until I was about 16 and am now getting back into shooting after a few years off. My dad was a marine and was strict on safety so I'm a very safe shooter but like I said we didn't go to many shooting ranges.

I have to say you guys really sound lucky to me. I live in Tallahassee, FL, we have 2 ranges. The 1st is the rifle and pistol club and costs a little over $200 a year to be a member...I don't have that kind of cash so I'm stuck with...#2 which is a public range in national forest. No range officers, no supervision what so ever. I've seen everything from gang bangers practicing for their drive up's but literally shooting out of their car windows, to the tacticool guys. I now go during the week before 10am...apparently the stupid people don't like to wake up before then to go shooting, so usually I'm there alone and safe.:D

Skan21
August 2, 2009, 12:47 AM
If you guys are this upset about RANGE violations, you would hate Iraq! If I had a nickel for every time I was flagged, watched an AD/ND, saw someone shot by mistake or watched a round pop out of a chamber that was "cleared" by a new guy, I wouldn't have had to be there!

fineredmist
August 2, 2009, 08:42 AM
Range safety officers have two sets of rules, the first are written and the second are good old common sense. For example, a grown man with a hi cap semi who is practicing for a match loads a 15 round magazine and proceeds to fire in a safe manner at approved targets and a grown man loading 15 rounds into a hi cap and handing it to a young son or daughter who can hardly hold the gun. Which is safe? In the second case I would instruct the adult to limit the magazine to 5 rounds as a safety measure for the child as well as other shooters. The child cannot hold the gun long enough to "target" shoot the rounds and is not strong enough to control the weapon for rapid fire.
You want a thankless job, be a RSO.

dabigguns357
August 2, 2009, 12:28 PM
a while back 4 guys went our local shooting range and proceeded to set up targets but some how missed placed their brains and started shooting at each others feet while setting the targets.I quietly packed gear and left.

The range where i go has no range officer so it's up to individuals on their behavior,thats why there was a shooting back last year that lead to the murder of a preacher at one of our local churches.I do still go from time to time but i always take someone or if i see anyboby that looks shady i don't stay.

Russ5924
August 3, 2009, 03:34 PM
Two weeks ago I was shooting on the 7 Yard Range it was just me and another guy at the other end. I was shooting a new .40 I had bought, next thing I see him packing up to leave and his target is gone. The only way he could have gotten his target was to get it while I was shooting. But worst thing is I never even saw him do it.:eek::(

BlackFeather
August 3, 2009, 07:23 PM
I have never been to a "real range"... I go out where someone dug out the side of the hill... more for hadguns but I take my shotgun and .22 mostly... that and the people I go with cant shoot like I can:cool:... but my "friend" had my shotgun I was loading my .22 mag. and he thought it was empty... (I did give lesson on safety because this guy acted like he knew everything but was in fact an idiot) well he had pointed the muzzle down for some reason and "accidently" pulled the trigger because he thought it was empty... well the was a loud boom and a hole in the ground less that 2 feet from is foot... and he was wearing sandals... which had I realized he was wearing sandals I would have made him wear boots. so it scared the hell out of him and I was ******... this is from a guy that also said he "forgot" how to load a revolver even though that was his "primary weapon"... I was also amused to his reaction when looking over the box of .38 shells and said "wow. centerfiring shells, those are the good ones.":barf: needless to say I know why his girlfriend wont let him have a gun... along with all of this he thinks the judge is a .44 mag that takes .45 colt AND the the .410 shot shells... hes not going shooting with me again... oh and he kept crossing everyone with the muzzle...

ezenbrowntown
August 5, 2009, 03:17 PM
All this rapid fire talk.......

I'm so glad I go to a very casual outdoor range (locked gate w/ membership key). I love setting up a pie plate, and unloading a 30 round magazine from my 10/22 into as fast as I can. I'm not going to rip out the bull's eye, but I can keep them in pretty close proximity.

~kev~
August 13, 2009, 04:58 PM
Its called "natural selection" for a reason. The sick, and sometimes the stupid are "supposed" to die off before they can breed and pass their defective genes off to their children.

That means that guys cave man ancestors were really lucky for the past 100,000 years. But their luck is gonna run out sooner or later.

ken22250
August 14, 2009, 09:08 AM
didnt happen to me, but a was talking to the guy working the cun counter at sportsmans wharehouse (defor it closed:mad:) and he said he was at the local game comission range about a week befor we talked, there was a guy there at the 100 yard range, where he was, there was very few people there that day, and the guy was shooting alot, they called clear but he didnt stop shooting, he went down and asked him tp stop because they called clear, he said " dont wory about it, im down hear by myself so just go down and i wolnt shoot at you". needless to say he left. thats why i usually go to the hawthorn rod and gun club, its got a locked game and doors on the 2 ports, there are very few rules, the only one is " no shooting befor noon on sunday" you could take an M60 with all the ammo you want on linkeed belts and blazer away if you wanted to, the game caomiision range is 3 rnds in a rifle and 6 in a handgun. having gone there for many years, its a rare ocassion that you see another person there, i went the sunday befor deer season started last year, and there were 2 other people there.
ken

Brian Pfleuger
August 15, 2009, 09:48 AM
That means that guys cave man ancestors were really lucky for the past 100,000 years.


Actually, it means that the stupid gene is (thankfully) recessive and doesn't show itself in large numbers until civilization "progresses" to the point where stupid and/or lazy no longer has negative consequences.

BTW.... that's where we have "progressed" to today.

onthejon55
August 15, 2009, 09:39 PM
Too bad he didnt catch a ricochet in the same way Forest Gump did

Two 10's
August 17, 2009, 05:33 PM
some people have to learn the hard way if ever.

srt 10 jimbo
September 10, 2009, 02:59 AM
Most Public ranges wont let you rapid shoot because of insurance policy's:rolleyes:

mp25ds4
September 10, 2009, 07:27 PM
put one in his leg with a .22 next time to teach him a lesson:D nah, just kidding

mustang_steve
September 10, 2009, 08:25 PM
The range I go to mostly has people who can't seem to keep their long arms in their hands. About every time I'm there, some guy is dropping an AR, AK or shotgun. I avoid the rifle side of the range for this reason, even though I enjoy being able to fire my pistol at more than 50 feet (the limit for the pistol range, indoor ranges heh).

rog45us
September 11, 2009, 06:43 AM
Where my home range is in Missouri we had something similar like this happen a couple months ago. Me and my son were sitting down on the rifle range and a older gentlemen hollered if he could go down range to put up some targets. We made sure everyone was clear so he could walk down. Here is the interesting part, his grandson was with him at the 25 yard line and we were down the 100 yard line. Well as the older gentlemen reached the 50 yard line to put up his target we looked down the line to see his grandson scoped in on him with a .22lr. Needless to say the grandson not only got yelled at by us but the grandfather about went off the hinge and thanked us for noticing this.


This is why no matter who's kids it is, it is always a good idea to be aware of your surroundings no matter where or who you are with.

If there had been one joking idea or harmless error from the grandson this could have been a major incident.

CMDrew6115
September 11, 2009, 03:56 PM
The only rule infraction i've ever seen at my local range was a guy rapid firing(about 8 rounds in 5 seconds). The RO spoke with him and explained that it was against the rules which he signed before he was allowed to enter the range, the guy told the RO it was his first time and he apologized to the RO. The range now has a new rule that they don't allow any new shooters unless they are brought by a former customer/shooter. After another local range had a suicide by rental gun, they also started a new rule that you cannot rent guns to shoot unless you brought another gun of your own to shoot.

mustang_steve
September 17, 2009, 11:07 PM
Man, that no rentals without bringing a gun of your own rule is a bummer (understandable considering the history behind it though).

When I finally went shopping for my first handgun, those rentals were incredibly helpful. It let me realize my like for the feel of subcompact semi-autos more than any other size or style handgun.

Greg_TX
September 18, 2009, 12:30 AM
You ever wonder why the packets of silica gel say "Do not eat"? Because at some point, some idiot did it. Same goes for a lot of other warning labels that seem silly; they're silly to anyone with common sense, but some dumb*** actually did it. And for all you know, that person could be shooting in the lane next to you.

Jim243
September 20, 2009, 12:27 AM
Hellbelly

She didn't miss, what she did was put the muzzle up against her head, pulled the trigger and the gas leaving the barrel prior to the bullet, pushed the gun away from her intended target area and only grazzed her scalp. She had watched to many movies or TV shows.

It's the same reason you put your Chrony 12 feet out instead of next to the barrel.

Jim

tincanhunter
October 2, 2009, 09:34 PM
Had the same thing happen at one of my local ranges recently. I started yelling at the guys shooting (there were only a couple) to stop. Anyways we ripped the guy a new one telling him to yell cold and make sure everyone understood before he decided to walk on out.

Hardcase
October 3, 2009, 12:23 PM
I'm thankful that our outdoor range is members only and you've got to have a key. Getting the key requires a training class that the training officer makes you take seriously.

You've got to be sponsored by a member for membership, so that's another degree of responsibility that is enforced - peer pressure.

We share our range with a couple of local law enforcement agencies. Although the club doesn't have an RSO at the outdoor range, when the LEOs are there, they watch it like hawks.

The indoor range...well, three times a week it's open to the public. I have a great deal of respect for the guys who volunteer to be RSOs. I couldn't do it. No way.

SigP6Carry
October 3, 2009, 03:48 PM
I'm thankful for my range. It's a semi-private range that's cheaper with a membership, but open to the public. I've yet to get a membership, but I've met the nicest people there and have to admit that I'm the only one that's had a safety issue while I was there.

At the indoor pistol range I swept a couple of nice women with their own guns when we were trying each others guns out. I don't know if it's up or down for safety in the indoor range (as it's cement EVERYTHING) and simply held the gun in an open palm aiming downrange with the slide locked back/cylinder out and no ammo in them (OF COURSE). They didn't seem to mind and one actually thanked me for treating her gun so well and being safe, but I felt bad that I muzzle flashed them both at points.

The rifle range actually makes me nervous, though. It's completely... weird. The 100yard range actually has a loading bench at 25 yards and has shooting seats set at 25, 50 and 100 yards. I fired at all the ranges there (only 22 rounds in two visits, as my Mosin likes to lock up. Now I need a membership to shoot again) But you NEED a membership to shoot there. In my two trips, I've always been the only one out there and only felt nervous when I realized that when I was shooting 25yards at the lower range, there were people shooting 50 yards at the upper range. (there's two ranges). There's no officers or supervisors anywhere at this place, it's a private club, so the people there are expected to be of higher caliber and police each other. No accidents or incidents that I know of.

lizziedog1
October 3, 2009, 07:00 PM
Years ago I was at outdoor range that a 200/300 yard set up. The targets were on a rail that were accessed from a bunker. The bunker also had pointing sticks so a shooter could leave a spotter in the bunker, under the targets, to help point out were the bullets hit.

I took my nephew. He went in the bunker with me to help set the target up. I then asked him if he would remain there and be my spotter. He agreed.

I took three shots and waited for him to spot the hits. I waited, and I waited. A few seconds later I turn aroud to see him right behind me. I asked him what was wrong. He said he was frightened by the sound of the bullets whizzing by overhead. I told him that six inch cement walls and several feet of dirt and being a good ten feet below target would ensure his safety. He didn't buy it, and he wasn't going back.

I didn't blame him. Hearing bullets whizzing by would be unnerving, to say the least.

wy1ble
November 2, 2009, 10:52 AM
Took my husband to the range on Saturday. It was the first time we had gotten the chance to go together, and with two little ones at home we don't get to do much together.
Now at our range there isn't always a RO on duty, but the rules are posted and you are expected to follow them. We had talked about firearms safety many times before and went over the rules of the range, but when we got there he walked down range before the line was clear, handed me a loaded handgun barrel first, and walked in front of me while loading a revolver you have to hold half cocked to rotate the wheel... :confused:
I stopped him every time and asked what the heck he was thinking! Explained to him what he did and why it was unsafe, but it just didn't sink in :mad: I ended up cutting our trip short because it just wasn't safe.

Right now I trying to convince him that we need to take a firearms safety class. Maybe if he hears it from a RO it will sink in

orangello
November 2, 2009, 03:37 PM
"try a shooting range in Alabama or Mississippi, you would be amazed at all the things you may see. One time I saw a guy shoot himself in the leg with a Ruger Mark 2 loaded with hollowpoints" from post 24.

I live in Mississippi & i find that a bit offensive. I seriously doubt that the intelligence of paper punchers has much to do with geographical dispersion within the continental United States. I will say, however, that most of my friends shoot on private land and not at ranges; i suppose there might be a lower rate of familiarity with range rules than in places with less private and rural land available for target practice like San Francisco or metro Atlanta. I personally feel safer shooting by myself or with a very few friends in a large clay pit made by oil exploration in days gone by; the pit has 20' clay walls and is on private land with a locked gate to limit surprises.

I don't eat possum or possum-on-the-halfshell either. :rolleyes:

Tom Servo
November 2, 2009, 04:15 PM
There was a ceasefire for around 20 minutes after that incident, and to my suprise the guy just was joking and laughing around with his group of buddies like it was nothing afterwards with no ear or eye protection on the range.
He should have been severely reprimanded for violating the rules. Had I been the RO, and he decided the incident was funny, he should have been booted.

That's a blatant disregard for rules, compounded by a safety violation. Then the guy thinks it's funny? He doesn't need to be handling firearms.

XD Gunner
November 2, 2009, 08:25 PM
I've been guilty of a few stupid actions, but never THAT stupid.

booker_t
November 19, 2009, 09:59 AM
It comes down to one thing, mentorship. Ranges that don't require you to either take a class or have at least a 15-minute 1-on-1 session with the Range Officer prior to joining the range are asking for this type of Tom Foolery. Honestly I blame the range almost as much as the individual, assuming that type of instruction wasn't required.

Well maybe it comes down to another thing as well, getting into a rush. People think the more rounds they put down range the better they are getting. Shoot shoot shoot, if something interrupts their shooting, they get aggitated and stop thinking about safety, stop thinking about procedure, especially if it hasn't been trained into them.

I like to put the gun down every few mags or every 15min or so. Step back, do something else. Sort the crap in my bag, check my email on the phone, tie my shoe, go to the bathroom, chat with the people next to me, whatever. During that time I think about the last few mags I just shot, what I liked and what needs to be worked on for the next round of shooting. Sometimes I'll write this stuff down.

Slow, methodical, precise, directed practice... even if I'm working double-taps or rapid shooting. You're either getting better or you're getting worse, so make the time count.

sonick808
November 29, 2009, 03:39 PM
I took my CCW class last night in Scottsdale with a gem of a team of Tim Forshey and Kevin Neal (i know some AZ folks know these guys)

They taught us that [accurate] rapid fire is an extremely important progression in learning to shoot defensively. I can understand why ranges wouldn't want people jackassing around with rounds going everyhwere, but to outright ban rapid-fire ? That makes no sense to me. It seems that would be a range where you cannot practice defensive shooting.

I've been shooting for 25 years but didn't realize until this class how important practicing "rapid fire" is.

Thoughts on ranges banning this and it being a safety issue by preventing adequate self defense pistol ?

I can only hope these ranges offer leagues where you CAN shoot as such

SAIGAFISH
November 29, 2009, 03:44 PM
organized ranges sound dangerous

Greg_TX
November 29, 2009, 04:12 PM
It think for many indoor ranges it's more of a maintenance issue than a safety thing, although the latter is obviously a concern as well. Lots of people think they can shoot fast, and some can, but there are also a lot of people who overestimate their ability to do so. These are the people who shoot up the ceiling, blow the hangers off the wires or damage other equipment, or create a safety issue by mishandling the weapon. It's unfair to those that can to be dragged down to the level of those that can't, but so it goes.