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olyinaz
March 7, 2009, 05:25 PM
Hope you don't mind if I show off my two new cappers!

The first is a Pietta 1851 Colt that I got in a Traditions starter kit. I'm sure that Pietta is capable of fine finishing but in this guise the pistol left a lot to be desired. While the grips looked to be saw mill rough cut at least they also looked to be finished in late 20th century dog poop - so I had that going for me. Add a brass frame milled with such sharp edges on exposed areas that I cut myself while cleaning the thing after our first outing and I was in hog leg heaven. Yippee.

I refinished the grips (as best I could - that dog poop wasn't giving up easy...) with Tru-Oil, worked some sharp edges here and there and removed a few burrs, then finished the brass areas with Brass Black because there's only so much bling I can stand on my firearms. I'll strip it back to brass and polish it when I get a front tooth capped in gold - that way it'll match. :D

http://www.pbase.com/olyinaz/image/109940071/original.jpg


The second is an Uberti 1858 Remington that I just got yesterday. Man is she a looker! Charcoal blue barrel, case hardened frame and those tacky candy apple orange grips that the Italians seem to so love on these repro hogs. I wish the blue of the charcoal finish came through better in a photo because it's really lovely. The only mod I've made thus far is blacking the brass trigger guard and I think it fits in a bit better that way.

Thanks for looking!

Keep it safe.

Cheers,
Oly

dlon21
March 7, 2009, 06:55 PM
Those are some really nice guns! The case hardening on that Remington is beautiful, kind of gray- brownish in the tone. Really great. I envy you :D

Daniel.

williamfeldmann
March 7, 2009, 08:57 PM
You know, I typically like Peitta's case hardening so much more than Uberti's. Just a lot more color.

But damn if that isn't a good looking gun. The nonbusy frame is just gorgeous. By the way when did Uberti start making shorty Remingtons. I nned to get a look at those.

olyinaz
March 7, 2009, 10:44 PM
>>>But damn if that isn't a good looking gun. The nonbusy frame is just gorgeous. By the way when did Uberti start making shorty Remingtons. I nned to get a look at those.<<<

It's not a current catalog item as far as I can tell. I got this one off of Gunbroker and it was the combination of color and the short barrel that grabbed me.

Edit: I've noticed that it was originally a Taylor's & Co. item but I don't see it in their catalog either.

Best,
Oly

Indian Outlaw
April 13, 2009, 11:53 AM
Taylor's still sells that Uberti, but without the "charcoal" blue finish.

I think it's the #105CH model. They rarely have 'em in stock however.

http://i29.photobucket.com/albums/c288/TheRealHobie/Firearms/Remington/1802.jpg

Dingoboyx
April 13, 2009, 12:01 PM
Nice guns tho ;) worth showing off :D

Let us know how they shoot ;)

simonkenton
April 13, 2009, 01:29 PM
Good looking guns! Congrats!

Fingers McGee
April 13, 2009, 04:07 PM
olyinaz - Thanks for sharing. A couple of good lookers. Let us know how thay shoot

Smokin_Gun
April 13, 2009, 09:36 PM
Oly Congrads Man... good choice :O)
A man can be happy with a lovely in each hand...nice rev...lovelies Oly.

51_60_colt
April 13, 2009, 09:52 PM
good lookin revs....I like how you blacked out the brass too, and charcoal bluing is a beautiful thing to do to a pistol, nice with the case hardend frame

CaptainCrossman
April 15, 2009, 06:29 AM
good choice, steel frames all around and nice finish- enjoy !

now that's a smart shopper;)

51_60_colt
April 15, 2009, 02:39 PM
One of 'ems a brass frame Cap'm ....just funnin, I can see you dont approve of brass...:D

tiberius10721
April 15, 2009, 10:31 PM
those are just bad ass!

long rider
April 16, 2009, 09:30 PM
That remmy would look cool with stag horn grips.:eek:

olyinaz
April 20, 2009, 02:32 AM
Thanks y'all!

Shootin' report:

Remmie shoots where it's pointed which is nice. Hammer spring is heavy and the hammer top is rough, however, so it's hard on my thumb! The last surprised me because I've been shooting revolvers for better'n 25 years but by golly it's a tough bugger.

The '51 brasser shoots just fine but it doesn't shoot where it's aimed! By not where it's aimed I mean something like 10" high at 15 yards and that's with brass-friendly 25 gr. loads, so I'm not too happy about that.

All in all they're great to look at but not so great to shoot and that's a doggone shame! Hmmmm....

Suggestions/ideas gladly accepted.

Cheers,
Oly

long rider
April 21, 2009, 06:45 PM
NOT SO GREAT TO SHOOT:rolleyes: mmmmmmm
whats that saying, its a poor man who blames his
TOOLS.:D

olyinaz
April 23, 2009, 06:08 PM
I think the term is "poor craftsman". I'm not poor nor am I a poor man. At any rate, I was asked to report and that's what I did.

The Remington shoots to point of aim but it's not terribly pleasant to shoot given the very heavy spring - something I hope to rectify with high quality nipples and a more reasonable spring tension. I'll knock the sharp points off the stippling on top of the hammer as well - easy fix.

The Navy handles lovely but it's shooting so far from point of aim I may send it back to Traditions before I spend any more time on it.

Them's the facts.

Oly

long rider
April 23, 2009, 06:32 PM
The term is not poor craftsman, The term is a poor
workman, and i did not say YOU was poor nor did
i say YOU was a poor man, YOU said that not me.

arcticap
April 23, 2009, 09:10 PM
The '51 brasser shoots just fine but it doesn't shoot where it's aimed! By not where it's aimed I mean something like 10" high at 15 yards and that's with brass-friendly 25 gr. loads, so I'm not too happy about that.


That's always a potential problem with guns that don't have adjustable sights.
And the Colt sights are designed to be much like long range combat sights and shoot high to hit more distant man size targets.
Isn't the fix to either raise the front sight or to lower the back sight (file down the hammer notch)?
Perhaps a gunsmith can help out with those options?

Fingers McGee
April 23, 2009, 11:25 PM
Opening the sight notch in the hammer is a good way to bring the POI down. slight windage adjustment can also be made by filing one side or the other depending on which way the POI needs to go. I've also seen where a taller front sight post has been added to by silver soldering an extension to it.

olyinaz
April 24, 2009, 01:14 AM
>>>Opening the sight notch in the hammer is a good way to bring the POI down. slight windage adjustment can also be made by filing one side or the other depending on which way the POI needs to go. I've also seen where a taller front sight post has been added to by silver soldering an extension to it.<<<

Indeed I did fashion a new front sight post for the gun out of brass stock but by golly it looks just terrible (it turned out well but the tall, skinny pointed post looks hokey). If I'm stuck with this gun what I'll probably do is look into building more of a blade type front sight for it (like the Walker etc.) as they look a bit better if they need to be higher but honestly, since it's new I'll probably ship it off to Traditions and see what they do about it. Can't hurt!

Thanks,
Oly

arcticap
April 24, 2009, 01:37 AM
since it's new I'll probably ship it off to Traditions and see what they do about it. Can't hurt!

That statement is what prompts me to ask, "What would you have them do to it?"
I'm not sure that they could or would do anything since they're not in the business of altering the factory spec's of guns that are working as designed.
And since the Colt sights just might be designed to shoot high at 15 yards, they can't reasonably be expected to alter a new gun, or should they be?
If you were given the choices of how to "fix" the sights, how would you choose to do it?
If you're not able to decide, then how would Traditions be able to decide how to fix it?
Should every new gun shoot to point of aim when the sights are designed to shoot high as combat sights do?
Maybe you could ask them what they would do if you sent it in to them.
I would be very curious to know myself.
Maybe if enough owners sent in their guns to have them install a higher front sight, then they'll eventually ask Pietta to change the Colt design?
I'm not sure, but if it ain't broke then I don't know how they can fix it. Or even how they can better sight it in for a person who may be shooting it at lesser distances than it was designed to be sighted in for.
Maybe the gun is sighted in for 50 or 60 yards depending on the powder charge, who knows?
I'm not intending to be argumentative, but I am commenting for the sake of discussion. Especially since I really do hope that you get some satisfaction from owning and shooting your new gun.
Whether you choose to send it in to Traditions or not, good luck with resolving the sight issue. :)

madcratebuilder
April 24, 2009, 08:51 AM
Maybe the gun is sighted in for 50 or 60 yards depending on the powder charge, who knows?

Some good questions arcticap. I recall reading somewhere that the original Colt open tops were made to be on at 75yds. That seems like a long distance to me for a hand gun, but hitting a man size target at that distance is not hard.

If I'm stuck with this gun what I'll probably do is look into building more of a blade type front sight for it (like the Walker etc.) as they look a bit better

An old silver dime can be cut down in to a dandy front blade.

Dingoboyx
April 24, 2009, 09:07 AM
I am disapointed on your behalf thet such a nice gun has been so much work & the sight issue is creating havoc for you.... I know you didn't buy it for a wall hanger or a paperweight, you bought it to have fun and shoot with it. Maybe a smith could do something for a front sight for you? I like the silver dime idea? maybe a smith could do this for you? It would look rather special :D

BTW, I think Long Rider was just pokin' fun at you about a good tradesman blaming his tools or whatever..... I'm sure it was just a light hearted joke with you, not an insult..... I have said similar things in the past, like blaming 'bent bullets' and 'faulty targets' etc but all in fun. I didn't read into what LR said as 'having a go' at you at all :D

Hope you aren't too put out by the silly comment ;)

Hope you get the gun shootin' good.... It looks too nice to let go to waste :cool:

long rider
April 24, 2009, 09:28 AM
YOU HIT THE NAIL ON THE HEAD DINGO.;)
maybe he just misunderstood me?
thanks for the backup dingo,:D

Dingoboyx
April 24, 2009, 09:47 AM
I know what it's like when ya say something in jest, and it is taken the wrong way & it is so hard to apologise in written text.... the person on the receiving end doesn't see or hear that you are just chuckling to yourself and pulling his chain :D

cheers

long rider
April 24, 2009, 10:05 AM
HEY dingo QS, can you carry your bp in a holster
and , lets say walk down the street like here in
arizona?.:D

Dingoboyx
April 24, 2009, 10:20 AM
Holsters for the pair ROA's/Pietta 1858's and another set of holsters for the Pair of Vaquaros.... but alas, if I even went to my letterbox (in the dark) wearing them, that would be the end of my owning any guns, ever (if anyone were to see :(:rolleyes:

The laws and the sheeple over here would have kittens :eek:

Then the media would be onto me, if they found out how many guns I have (especially handguns) and how much ammo and reloading stuff I have.... I can see the headlines already " Sicko busted with 17 handguns, 5 long arms and 10,000 rounds of ammo" (potentially)

I would be hung, drawn and quartered before I could blink

Would be great living in your country.... must visit one day :D

long rider
April 24, 2009, 10:30 AM
GEE that sucks, i feel for you,.:mad:

olyinaz
April 24, 2009, 08:10 PM
>>>Maybe the gun is sighted in for 50 or 60 yards depending on the powder charge, who knows?<<<

Well, I do! ;) That was one of the first things I checked. Out at 75 yards it's still shooting high even with 25 grains. So I guess in answer to your question what I expect Traditions will do if I send it to them is either simply replace it or they'll send it (or have me send it) to a gun smith who is equipped to deal with this if such a thing exists.

Honestly I don't agree that the gun isn't faulty anymore than I would if it were shooting ten inches left of aim. At some point these things need to shoot close enough to point of aim for them to be enjoyable to shoot. My other fixed sight guns (Beretta Stampede, Uberti Colt 1873, Ruger Bearcat, Ruger Vaquero Montado, Uberti Remington 1858) all do so I'm not expecting anything unusual - just a correctly fitted gun.

With that said, I've not given up on it yet and I need to get back out to the range and see if a combination of a higher front sight and a filed hammer (I've not notched it deeper at all yet) will get me happy. Could be! I'll report back.

Cheers,
Oly

olyinaz
April 24, 2009, 08:18 PM
>>>maybe he just misunderstood me?<<<

Yep, guess I did.

>>>i did not say YOU was poor nor did i say YOU was a poor man<<<

Well, actually you did say that but I guess it was a typo:

>>>its a poor man who blames his TOOLS<<<

That's what you wrote, hence the misunderstanding as I thought you were insulting me. After all, I may actually be a poor workman/craftsman but by golly I'd like to think I'm a pretty good man. ;)

No worries,
Oly