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Firepower!
March 4, 2009, 01:05 PM
Which is a better SMG: UZI or MP5?

Thanks

1911 Shooter
March 4, 2009, 01:18 PM
Mp5 for shooting. However, get your wallet out . 20K would be no problem for a mp5 & 8K for a uzi.

Firepower!
March 4, 2009, 01:52 PM
Where I live:

UZI is about 4000$
and
MP5 is about 2000$

I wanted to know which is more reliable. I see no one using UZI except Isreal. Whereas MP5 is all over the place.

Why?

Bartholomew Roberts
March 4, 2009, 02:06 PM
I've shot a fair amount of ammo through both (full-auto). They really reflect two different philosophies on subgun design (550rpm, open-bolt, mag in pistol grip vs. 800rpm, closed-bolt, magwell).

Both are classic firearms. The Uzi is probably the winner from a maintenance and reliability standpoint; but in every other point I like the MP5 better (ergos, accuracy, controllability). As long as nothing on the MP5 requires it being sent back to H&K or getting a part from H&K, it runs just fine. Both are more than adequate for the role they are designed to fufill.

partemisio
March 4, 2009, 02:15 PM
MP5 hands down in my opinion. Where do you live that you are able to get it for that price?

Firepower!
March 4, 2009, 02:54 PM
Pakistan.

Btw HK USP costs more than Mp5 here!!!

So you are saying uzi is more reliable?

partemisio
March 4, 2009, 02:56 PM
Send me a few. I will add $1,000 for each.:D

Bartholomew Roberts
March 4, 2009, 03:28 PM
The Uzi is slightly less likely to break and easier to get parts/fix yourself if it does. I love the MP5 but H&K customer service was less than spectacular - at first I attributed this to being non-military/LEO; but in talking with those guys they had similar problems trying to get stuff from H&K. In any case, I haven't fired a full-auto version of either in about a decade.

I am guessing you won't be relying on HK-USA for your maintenance issues, so probably less of a problem for you.

Chipperman
March 4, 2009, 04:11 PM
I own an MP5, and have fired many an Uzi. I pretty much agree with what Batholomew said. Uzi is darn near indestructible. MP5 is very reliable, but you'd have to give the Uzi a slight edge there. The MP5 is much more accurate and comfortable shooting.

If I were by myself and engaging targets only in CQB, I'd take the Uzi. If I were shooting longer distance, especially if I were not alone, I'd take the MP5. Reliability is not quite as much of a concern if you have partner(s) to help if your primary weapon goes down.

Firepower!
March 5, 2009, 05:00 PM
I had an mp5 and wanted to pair it up with another smg.

Instead of another mp5, today, i bought an uzi.

Thank you for your responses. I will post pictures once it delivered. :)

rkba_net
March 7, 2009, 05:50 AM
MP5's are more accurate, since they fire from a closed bolt. Also you have a greater selection of accessories.

Firepower!
March 8, 2009, 09:14 AM
I agree. I bought Uzi because I have MP5 and did not have Uzi.

Brian48
March 8, 2009, 01:40 PM
I've never been impressed with UZIs. Trained with a State Dept. issued one when I was undergoing training for embassy duty during my days in the USMC.

FALPhil
March 8, 2009, 02:18 PM
Have any of you guys shot a MAC-10 with a rate reducer in it? They are winning the subgun matches in my neck of the woods.

hknut
March 8, 2009, 09:42 PM
MP5 hands down the better subgun. And the SD is REALLY QUIET!

Jim6298
March 9, 2009, 05:26 AM
I've had both i was a class 3 dealer for 15 yrs. Mp5 is better overall for handling and fast shooting and more accurate. BUT do not count the UZI out i've seen some very accurate for a slam bolt shooter. 1,000 or police depts around the world still use it as do many countries. Very Reliable. I do have a Pre May Dealer sample I'm thinking of selling. But you have to be a dealer or police dept to buy it. guns556@aol.com

Firepower!
March 9, 2009, 03:43 PM
Why is Uzi made with open bolt? What are the advantages and draw backs?

SDC
March 9, 2009, 04:13 PM
Mainly simplicity; an open-bolt SMG is probably the simplest firearm to manufacture in the world. That also makes maintenance and parts replacement easier.

The normal drawbacks are considered to be:

a lack of accuracy (as the bolt jumps forward, it moves the gun off the point of aim, but at close range, that doesn't really matter)

more safety issues (earlier open-bolt guns were known to be susceptible to accidental firing if the gun was dropped or struck on the butt hard enough to cause the bolt to move to the rear, pick up a round, and then fire it as it's chambered. The UZI was designed with a grip safety to block the movement of the bolt unless that grip safety was held in)

the open bolt itself is more likely to let all sorts of foreign matter into the receiver, unless it's carried with the bolt closed and a loaded mag inserted (which is where the grip safety comes in)

Willie Lowman
March 10, 2009, 11:38 AM
The sheer simplicity of the Uzi is it's advantage. I can break my Uzi into it's component parts in under a minute with no tools. I can change a broken part or a bulged/shot out/squibbed barrel in seconds.

The Uzi is like the 4x4 truck of the subgun world whereas the MP5 is like the German luxury car.

I would take my Uzi places where I would leave a borrowed MP behind.

Sparks2112
March 10, 2009, 01:38 PM
I've got a fair amount of experience with MP5's and a Micro-Uzi FA.

I see the Uzi as an extreme CQB weapon. The open bolt can be, confusing, if you're not used to it and you aren't paying attention. It does keep the weapon coller however, and allows for a higher rate of fire.

MP5's are more versatile in my opinion, and easier to fire accurately.

If you're handing them out to your guards I would give it to whoever your most safety conscious/fire disciplined is. They're VERY easy to empty before you know it.

Ruthless4christ
March 10, 2009, 02:06 PM
I think firepower should get some .45 mac 10s. He wants something to shoot from a car, and the rate of fire is high anuf to get a whole clip of ammo into the target while moving quickly. As far as the recoil due to the bolt moving.... You get used to it with a litle practice.

Maromero
March 10, 2009, 02:16 PM
Ruthless4christ: Let me get a grasp of this. You are a missionary in rural Guatemala with ample knowledge and experience with automatic weapons? A missionary?, armed? I know Guatemala is no walk in the park, that you must occasionally deal with "rebels", the military (not your friendly or neighborly army) and private militias in the course of your "missions" but it's strange.

Happy for you. Good luck and stay safe.

Ruthless4christ
March 10, 2009, 02:41 PM
ok maromero, im a little confused by your post... Is an "ample knowledge of automatic weapons" wrong or bad? If so why are you on the nfa thread?

Firepower!
March 10, 2009, 02:59 PM
Like I stated above, I bought Uzi. I fired three magazines from it and did not like the accuracy. I returned it! Instead of asking for refund I got an MP5 full stock.

Another thing I did not like about was that it was heavy and not smooth. It was the biggest turn off.

In future I will look for mini Uzi and check that out.

I do like the above comment on open bolt and keeping weapon cool point.

Does anyone have any experience with she aka sa.26 a .30 smg?

SDC
March 10, 2009, 03:32 PM
The VZ-26 (CZ's German wartime manufacturing code was "she") was one of the firearms that Uziel Gal looked at in designing the UZI, so if you're not really fond of the UZI, you may not like it either. It's basically an UZI with a tubular receiver, but with an odd sort of fire control system; instead of a fire selector, this SMG fires semi-auto or full-auto depending on how far back the trigger is pulled, meaning that trigger control is VERY important (sort of like the selective-fire AUG).

Maromero
March 10, 2009, 03:34 PM
QUOTE]ok maromero, im a little confused by your post... Is an "ample knowledge of automatic weapons" wrong or bad? If so why are you on the nfa thread?[/QUOTE]

No. Not at all. It just struck me as weird to have a misionary acuainted with automatic guns.

"Missionary is a member of a religion who works to convert those who do not share the missionary's faith; someone who proselytizes. The word "mission" is derived from the Latin missioninimus (nom. missio), meaning "act of sending" or mitto, mittere, literally meaning "to send" or "to dispatch",[citation needed] the equivalent of the Greek-derived word "apostle" from apostolos, meaning "a delegate, specially, an ambassador of the Gospel; officially a commissioner of Christ["apostle"] (with miraculous powers) Matthew 10:1-2, notice in these verses that when they were given miraculous powers they were then referred to as Apostles.: KJV - apostle, messenger, he that is sent. "Strong's Exhaustive Concordance of the Bible"

In Christian cultures the term is most commonly used for Christian missions, but it applies equally to any proselytizing creed or ideology. Buddhism launched 'the first large-scale missionary effort in the history of the world's religions'."

Again. Very happy to hear it. Contrary to your confusion, it does not speak down off you. Honestly.

Firepower!
March 10, 2009, 03:55 PM
i have she.
When i fired uzi I thought i was using she. They are very cheap compared to uzi.

Ruthless4christ
March 10, 2009, 05:16 PM
Ok maromero sorry if i came off as defensive. Your definition of a missionary was right on and i always refer people who ask me about guns, to Jesus's words at the last supper... "he among you who hath no sword let him sell his garment and buy one. They replied "here master behold we have two swords.". And he said " it is enough"

Maromero
March 10, 2009, 07:44 PM
Amen.

Firepower!
April 3, 2009, 05:24 AM
What do you guys think of or how do you rate the Micro UZI that is made in the USA?

oldcspsarge
April 3, 2009, 08:48 PM
Having fired thousands of rounds thru both....
the MP5 is very friendly and easy to shoot...SD great for entry or just fun

for a SHTF situation...I would choose the UZI...the extractor is the only thing you will eventually break.

MP5 is more fussy about ammo and location of selector is not great for manipulation. MP5 parts getting very hard to come by.

Grip safety on the UZI is great.

JMHO with 35 yrs of shooting both.

Re4mer
April 3, 2009, 11:31 PM
Buy both and find out for yourself! Really I have no idea, but its cool that are able to afford one.

Ridge_Runner_5
April 4, 2009, 02:45 AM
MP-5 I feel would be more accurate, be easier to make quick magazine changes, and is more reliable, as long as it is well maintained.

Uzi is usually cheaper, more compact, and can have an equal to or greater magazine capacity than the MP-5...

Firepower!
April 4, 2009, 07:43 AM
I should repeat my question....

Micro uzi....thoughts?

Are Uzi made in USA and how do they compare the Israeli one.

TJK1951
April 4, 2009, 09:45 AM
Over 10 years as a Class 3 dealer I have had many of each. I have had MP-5's jam because of ammo imperfections. I have run thousands of rounds thru UZI's with no jams what so ever. Maybe I'd get a misfire because of a bad primer, but that was all. At 50 yds I could take your head off with a UZI, so accuracy was never a problem. In a fire fight, give me a UZI.

Ridge_Runner_5
April 4, 2009, 02:08 PM
Regarding the Micro Uzi, its smaller, but less accurate...also, in all honesty, I'd take an Israeli-made gun before a US-made gun...Israeli manufacturers build the best weapon for their soldiers, while US manufacturers build the best weapon for their wallets...

Firepower!
April 6, 2009, 09:55 AM
Ridge Runner
Your response is what I expected and I am comfortable that I chose MP5 over UZI or Micro UZI for that matter. I might still get one in the future just for the collection purpose.