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chief
March 1, 2009, 09:23 AM
Hi all, I'm looking to get a 1860's Colt Army and a 1858 Remignton.. I've been reading up alot on umberti and pietta, any experience with any of these?

Thx in advance.

gwnorth
March 1, 2009, 09:32 AM
So is a current Colt SA Army too expensive? Just saying if I wanted a Colt Army, I would want the real deal, since they still make them to the same specifications. But they are pricey.

Of the two you mention, I have fired a few friends Umberti's and they seem pretty well made, but I can't claim to have a lot of experience with them.

chief
March 1, 2009, 09:36 AM
yes to expensive, I'm looking to spend 4-$600 MAX

Mike Irwin
March 1, 2009, 10:12 AM
We have a blackpowder forum, so I'm going to move this there.

Hawg Haggen
March 1, 2009, 10:25 AM
I've got a Pietta 60 Army and a 58 Remington. Great guns. I have two Uberti SAA's and the fit and finish on them isn't any better than the Pietta C&B. Not as good on one.

Hawg Haggen
March 1, 2009, 10:28 AM
So is a current Colt SA Army too expensive? Just saying if I wanted a Colt Army, I would want the real deal, since they still make them to the same specifications. But they are pricey.

He said 60 Colt, not SAA. Third gen. 60's weren't made by Colt, just licensed by them.

chief
March 1, 2009, 10:41 AM
Sorry about that Mike, I keep posting in the wrong forum...



if any of you have pics of your own pls post..:)

Hawg Haggen
March 1, 2009, 11:10 AM
I imagine folks hereabouts are tired of seeing my pics.:D

Pietta 60 Colt

http://i7.photobucket.com/albums/y269/rebel727/Colt/Pietta1860.jpg

Pietta 58 Remington. I bought this one used is why it has a drag line from the hammer being let down from half cock. I've since bought a new cylinder but haven't updated my pic.

http://i7.photobucket.com/albums/y269/rebel727/Remingtons/remmy.jpg

chief
March 1, 2009, 11:27 AM
Very nice Hawg..

if you dont mind me asking how much you pay for a used '58?

w_houle
March 1, 2009, 11:55 AM
The cylinder for the Pietta is the longest for all of the 1860s (as well as 1851s), so I would go with it. Not sure about the remmys though. If you get a cartridge conversion for it you will find that the pietta will take the longest OAL, although mine doesnt like factory .45 Colt OAL of 1.6", but does .45 Schofield just fine, as i imagine all the other ones would too.

Hawg Haggen
March 1, 2009, 12:14 PM
I paid 135.00 for that one last year with two holsters.

http://i7.photobucket.com/albums/y269/rebel727/Remingtons/pair.jpg

w_houle
March 1, 2009, 12:32 PM
http://img3.imageshack.us/img3/4125/1851c.th.jpg (http://img3.imageshack.us/my.php?image=1851c.jpg)
Oh come on, you know you want a '51

Hawg Haggen
March 1, 2009, 12:42 PM
I almost bought a 51 when I bought my 60 but I was already set up to cast balls for the .44 and I'm not real sure I'm gonna like a .36. My next one will most likely be a 51 tho.

Fingers McGee
March 1, 2009, 01:02 PM
Quote Chief
Hi all, I'm looking to get a 1860's Colt Army and a 1858 Remignton.. I've been reading up alot on umberti and pietta, any experience with any of these?

Thx in advance.

I've had some, and got some of each; although I don't have Remmies anymore. Old ones and new ones. Quality of Pietta vs Uberti is about even over all. They both have their good points and not so good (wouldn't really call them bad) points. I personally like the grip profile of the Uberti's over the Piettas. I think the Pietta grips are a little too trumpet mouthed at the base * the Ubertis are more like the originals. I like the polish and blue on the Ubertis; but the Piettas have better case colors. Functionally, they generally are good out of the box and both are fairly easy to tune up.

With all that said, you can get a bad one from either manufacturer. Some are made on Friday afternoons and Monday mornings.

Like Hawg, some are probably getting tired of my pics too; but, here goes.
http://i25.photobucket.com/albums/c86/fingersmcgee/100_1549.jpg

CraigC
March 2, 2009, 12:00 AM
Piettas are good guns but from my experience, Ubertis are better guns. Better internals, fit and finish. I've never seen a Uberti with the flaws my Piettas have.

Raider2000
March 2, 2009, 05:25 AM
Have you bought a new Pietta recently, say within the past 5 years?

Pietta's have improved their quality control & is now on par or exceed Uberti.

As far as the cylinder length's go, Pietta's New Model Army cylinder is .010 longer than Uberti & Euroarms.

Hawg Haggen
March 2, 2009, 09:32 AM
I don't see any flaws in my Pietta's

Fingers McGee
March 2, 2009, 12:46 PM
I've got a 2004 Pietta 1861 Navy that's every bit as nice (actually better case colors) as my 2007 Uberti 1861 Navies. The Ubertis have lighter hammer springs; but the Pietta has a lighter trigger pull. Fit and finish on all of them is excellent.

FM

arcticap
March 2, 2009, 11:45 PM
It sounds like Ford vs. Chevy.
What it boils down is the percentage of defective guns and the number of defects per gun from each maker which no one could ever keep track of.
As long as no one ends up getting stuck with a defective gun, then they're both pretty good.
But since the "random" odds of getting a defective one is bound to happen to someone, then the argument shifts back again to what are the chances of getting a defective gun?
Some batches and individual guns from either company are just naturally going to be better [or worse] than others.
And if neither had any defects, then it's mostly just a matter of personal preference, cost and availability.

Fingers McGee
March 3, 2009, 12:47 AM
It sounds like Ford vs. Chevy.

Yep. It's a Ginger or Mary Ann question. Personally I prefer Mary Ann.

I've had good and not so good Ubertis and Piettas - as well as 2nd Gen Colt BPs.

FM

mykeal
March 3, 2009, 07:13 AM
Yep. It's a Ginger or Mary Ann question. Personally I prefer Mary Ann.

Maybe there's hope after all...:D

DrLaw
March 3, 2009, 08:14 AM
Have you bought a new Pietta recently, say within the past 5 years?

I haven't, because of my past experience with Pietta. You saying that there are no more tool marks on the guns?

Yep. It's a Ginger or Mary Ann question. Personally I prefer Mary Ann.

Me, too! Yummy, yum yum! :D:rolleyes:

The Doc is out now. :cool:

Hawg Haggen
March 3, 2009, 08:20 AM
Might be some minor tool marks inside, not outside.

madcratebuilder
March 3, 2009, 08:51 AM
Pietta installed new cnc equipment a few years back. Quality has increased a lot. I have a newer Pietta 1858 target model and a 51 Navy .44, both have very good fit and finish. My 94 Pietta made Paterson is excellent.
I have two 1860 Army's, one Belgium made Centennial three screw, and a Uberti four screw, both are nice. The Centennial is made from some very hard steel. I would like to find another.
Pretty hard to beat Cabela's price on the 1858, it going to end soon, you may want to check it out.

Doc Hoy
March 4, 2009, 02:11 PM
Madcratebuilder,

I believe it was "Smokin Gun" who also said the steel in the Centaure is harder.

I picked one up in the purchase of a pair of pistols from one of the locals. 200.00 for an ASM Remy in essentially new condition plus this Centaure which is now with one of our compadres in Ohio for rehab. The Centaure is a pretty early serial number so it is a bit loose.

I am anxious to get it back but I don't dare rush the guy.

Cheers,

CraigC
March 5, 2009, 11:47 AM
My Piettas are less than three years old. Reckon I need to post some pics of the flaws and external machine marks. Like I said, they're good guns but I believe Ubertis to be a little better on average.

shoebox1.1
March 5, 2009, 06:10 PM
my pietta 1860 army does have some fit issues with the grip but they are very minor. everything else is perfect and tight as can be..

Smokin_Gun
March 6, 2009, 12:19 AM
Doc, I know what you mean about the waitin'. Be assured you get it back "Plus" when it is returned. Huntin' Season's over Weather's warmin' up...you'll get 'er back soon 'nuff ... He has mental and written notes on mine :O) SN767

FROCS #26

Doc Hoy
March 6, 2009, 08:38 AM
Smokin Gun,

I am a patient guy and I believe Wayne does work that is worth the wait. My confidence is very high.

madcratebuilder
March 6, 2009, 10:36 AM
I picked one up in the purchase of a pair of pistols from one of the locals. 200.00 for an ASM Remy in essentially new condition plus this Centaure which is now with one of our compadres in Ohio for rehab. The Centaure is a pretty early serial number so it is a bit loose.

I am anxious to get it back but I don't dare rush the guy.

Wayne does great work, you well be pleased.
I picked my Centaure up off GB a few months back. The bolt was over size and had peened the cylinder notches pretty badly. The Centaure steel is much harder than any Pietta or Uberti I have worked on.
My problem was my eye sight and working in the notches, finally got them squared up nicely. I was impressed on how well the cylinder took touch up cold blue. You could not tell it had been touched when I was done. I would say it came out a strong 97% when I was finished with it.
It's a three screw and cut for a shoulder stock and the shoulder stock I have is a Uberti four screw:(
Mine is #215X with 8" barrel. I feel the need for a second Centaure if I can find one.

ARENAMAN
March 6, 2009, 11:29 PM
Hello to fellow Centaure owners. Lets not let the secret get out too much about these great revolvers. I need another Cetaure too. See you on the FROCS forum.

Doc Hoy
March 7, 2009, 02:56 AM
MCB,

Wayne and I have decided to wait on a decision about finishing the revolver until after he gets the action and fit right.

Mine still has good color on the back strap. Best finish I have ever seen on any C&B pistol new or used. But he had to work on the cylinder so the rebated section is in the white. I told him I thought I wanted the whole thing reblued.

I think he has other ideas, but for now he is keeping them to himself. I will trust almost anything he says.