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oneounceload
February 27, 2009, 10:45 PM
But this "shotty" crap, IMO, is just juvenile. It is a SHOTGUN.....not a shotty....it's a MOSSBERG....not a mossy.....it's a REMINGTON.....not a remmy....

we do not call handguns "Smithy's"...."ruggies", etc......we don't call rifles "Remmys", Savies", etc......

why is it acceptable to bastardize shotgun names?

It's bad enough every other thread is yet another one about the same HD/SD 870/Mossberg comparison.....at least folks who find it easier to start another thread instead of using the "search" feature could use the proper terminology.......

OK....FLAME ON

Just had to get this off my chest

Hawg Haggen
February 27, 2009, 10:47 PM
why is it acceptable to bastardize shotgun names?

Just is.

oneounceload
February 27, 2009, 10:50 PM
only to some.........

I own Brownings....not brownies.......I own Remingtons...mot remmies, I own Savage, not "savies", or anything similar

I own handguns with many names...none of which are mentioned like that......sorry.....IMO, not acceptable

.45 COLT
February 27, 2009, 10:54 PM
I said the same thing a few months ago - although not quite as detailed :D - didn't change a thing.

DC

oneounceload
February 27, 2009, 10:55 PM
I understand .45.....

but damn, just gotta say SOMETHING.....lol

dalecooper51
February 27, 2009, 10:59 PM
I agree.

Shotty reminds me of deagle. It is all reminiscent of video game culture.

Most of the time I just ignore it. There are more important issues out there as opposed to getting upset over slang verbage of youngsters.

The one that drives me batsh** crazy is libary.

colostomyclown
February 27, 2009, 11:00 PM
Thread is backed. it's not a huge deal, but it definitely makes it look like you need to turn off the x-box and go shoot some 3 inch slugs already. at that point, users of the "shotty" term may or may not want to sell their tacticool 870 and purchase a walther g22 instead.

hogdogs
February 27, 2009, 11:00 PM
OOL, (notice i didn't type the whole thing?) it is a matter of convenience for me... Laziness if you must... But "mox nix" to me... If'n (bastardized) ya'll (bastardized) don't like it remember DILLIGAF (bastardized acronym)... Yes we have our share of 18 year olds and under as well as first time gun/shotgun owners... I am not them! I am 40 and have OWNED my own shot gun for 32 years! I have been shooting "big bore shotties" for 29 years. I have in excess of 20,000 small birds killed, most with pellet guns for farmers, and countless rabbits, doves, squirrel, and ring necks crossed our supper table at the impact of my "shotty" I did not know the word until well passed 30 but like it... easy to say easy to type and the little whipper snappers know what I mean. You dust sparrow shooters won't learn much from me as ya'll are far surpassed me but if one guy learns ONE THING from me... all this time has been well spent! I know the purists cringe to hear the bastardized terms but so sad too bad... I cringe to ride the mower and need to lay up in bed for 2 days after I mow in pain so bummer deal...
Hate to sound irate but short of a guy tied up in a hospital room I can't fathom getting bent out of shape at my choice of characters used to express my 1A rights... Miffed? Yes I guess I did get a bit miffed!
Brent

oneounceload
February 27, 2009, 11:05 PM
hogdogs - you're entitled to your opinions....and I will never silence anyone.....this is just MY opinion and a personal bitching....so flame on if you must....I would prefer folks, especially the new folks, use the proper terms....guess I'm just old enough to appreciate the proper stuff

JMO, YMMV

hogdogs
February 27, 2009, 11:15 PM
Oh yes! Prefer in one hand and poop in the other right...:rolleyes: I do try to use the proper term in a thread eventually. I hope they rub off... But I ain't gonna chap a guy's butt for saying .410 gauge either... just a pm. I think courteous leadership gets better results than ostracizing a person in public (a blanket party in boot camp may be the exception) Then again my civics 101 teacher foresaw me as a politician or at least a political diplomat as a profession:rolleyes:... I have run with many groups with the exception of the urban gangsters...
Brent

Scattergun Bob
February 28, 2009, 12:08 AM
Hopefully you do not take offense to my use of scattergun, it's kind of my trade mark;).

I too don't like the use of shotty, it seems wimpy for a weapon that can remove pieces of flesh from our bodies.

There have been many "interesting" names for our beloved shotguns; Trench broom, street bitch, alley cleaner, The bitch, gauge and the list goes on, shotty just does not fit.

Good Luck & Be Safe

colostomyclown
February 28, 2009, 12:18 AM
scattergun very much acceptable!

hogdogs
February 28, 2009, 12:25 AM
I used to refer to them as "big dogs" they bark here but bite over there...
we also used to say that once cut to 12 inches (I know it is not so true with education) the payload leaves the muzzle, it looks both ways and goes where ever the heck it chooses... YES I WAS ONCE IN THE NO NEED TO AIM OR EVEN POINT WITH A SHOTGUN crowd...
Brent

zippy13
February 28, 2009, 01:03 AM
I'm with oneounceloads on this one, these abbreviations come across as sophomoric and can become irksome. When I first saw the term shotty, I didn't have a clue. Was it a fresh term for a Rambo-wannabe gun, or a short barreled shotgun, or any shotgun? (Shotty is very commonly used term to describe a condition of lymph nodes.) I couldn't tell if the writer was trying to be cute, appeal to a clique, describe a type of shotgun I'd never heard of, or what. If a term isn't universally accepted and understood, then it's use may lead to confusion, misunderstanding and controversy. Isn't that the opposite of what we're trying to accomplish here?

I'm an old phart, for all I know a shotty is something you order in a gay bar.

Bob, not to worry, scattergun is a long accepted term.
I too don't like the use of shotty, it seems wimpy for a weapon that can remove pieces of flesh from our bodies.
+1
Exaxctly! Well said, my friend. This may be what really botheres oneounceload -- like you and me, he takes his shotguns very seriously.

Ruger4570
February 28, 2009, 01:12 AM
"shotty, something you order at a gay bar"....
Perfect. I loved it
I too don't know why folks cant type "shotgun" it is only 1 letter longer than "shotty" It must just be kids...

flippycat
February 28, 2009, 01:33 AM
Sadly I think old fuddy-duddy hits the nail on the head. Rather then try to make people feel about this-> _ high about their generational terminology.

Post by example ...keeping them active in hopes they pick up what is consider socially respectable and acceptable here to hob knob and ask questions to the old school and senior members who use proper manufacturer names when posting.

It is not like we all do not know what is being spoken when reading a post regarding "shottys" and "remmys".

I think calling members out about it seems to be a tad on the snobbish side and possibly even sending new members who would other wise stick around and learn how to interact with knowledgeable firearm owners elsewhere.

And sending them elsewhere out of fear of ridicule may not let them get the proper firearm learning experience that can be learned here.

Creeper
February 28, 2009, 01:37 AM
Yesterday, I had a gentleman visiting my shop.
I had my Benelli out on the bench, tinkering with the trigger group when he walked in.

He walked up to the bench, looked at the shotgun and said, "Cool, an M2 nelly".

I said, "Nelly?" :confused:... "Where in the hell did you get nelly?"

He said that he'd heard the word in use in a gun shop... one popular with vacuous, commando-esque types, and thought it was a cool word. I suggested that I might need to hit him forcefully in the "skully", should he ever feel the urge to use the term in my presence again.

Yes 'oneounceload', not only am I a fellow fuddy-duddy... but a board certified curmudgeon and fully bonded, old school gezzer as well.

C

kmrcstintn
February 28, 2009, 01:38 AM
sorry to offend...:(

sometimes typing with sore fingers can lead a person to type shorthand...

as in shotty, remmy, mossy, snubby, wheelie, revo, semi, et al :o

hogdogs
February 28, 2009, 01:50 AM
Beinz-ta-how I am but a simple feller who most often types as I speak, I don't always save finger motion to type. It is for me to get the point across that I am a redneck. Funny thing huh?
Brent

Bill DeShivs
February 28, 2009, 02:17 AM
I don't like it, either.
How about simply typing SG? It's a lot shorter than "shottie."
I think a Shottie is a cross between a ****zu and a rottweiler. Or, would that correctly be "****weiler?"

flippycat
February 28, 2009, 02:25 AM
Well said Bill DeShivs ...I personally do not like the terms either ..I think it looks/sounds silly to read them or hear them referred to like that. After reading this post...
http://www.thefiringline.com/forums/showthread.php?t=341372

where the op here managed to stir the pot of ridicule stew, I think starting a whole new thread to further rip new members like that apart is less sophisticated then the use of the term shotty.

rantingredneck
February 28, 2009, 03:45 AM
Perhaps its shotgunners in general that tend toward traditionalism and curmudgeonliness (is that a word?).......

I am by no means old at 35, but I find myself rolling my eyes and shaking my head all the same when I see shotguns with PGO's and M4 buttstocks and the like.

Especially egregious are the ones that have been outfitted with the entire ATI catalogue and photographed endlessly while never shot.

Then when the offense against all things holy and practical is compounded by being referred too as a "bad ___ shottie/shotty"......it all becomes too much to take.

Yes, some of us (me included) tend to point out the flaws in reasoning that go into building such monstrosities. Sometimes harshly...(mea culpa)... But we've all also attempted to educate and seen some new posters actively resist such education. Some to the point where they claim loudly that their PGO "shottie" is just as capable as a properly equipped and fitted shotgun.

Until Dave McC reissues the challenge (which to date is unanswered).

Not all new posters react as such of course, but it happens..........

So in closing I'll offer to curtail my criticisms as long as the mallninjutsu stays at reasonable levels.......

SCREAMIII2006
February 28, 2009, 04:04 AM
I had to google "deagle"

Hawg Haggen
February 28, 2009, 05:35 AM
I'm 52 years old and I've been shooting for dang near all of them. I don't use the term shotty or some of the others but I have used the term Remmy's for my cap and ball revolvers many times. I'm sure back in the day when scattergun was first used some eyes were rolled then too. The terms are here to stay, for better or worse. It's a fact Jack, get used to it. Just like everybody(prolly even you)calls a .45 Colt a .45 Long Colt.

.45 COLT
February 28, 2009, 07:52 AM
Just like everybody(prolly even you)calls a .45 Colt a .45 Long Colt.
Everybody? :confused:

DC

oletymer
February 28, 2009, 09:03 AM
The people using baby names for shotguns are probably gay. This has been one of my gripes. Learn to use proper names identifies or it shows you as an mall ninja and inexperienced shooter.

SmokeyVol
February 28, 2009, 09:53 AM
I agree competely. It is the result of a new generation raised on video games instead of real guns. There are far too many mall ninja SWAT team wannabees with juvenuile attitudes.

I have four SHOTGUNS, all blued and all with nice figured walnut stocks. A Browning Citori O/U, a Remington 1100 G3, a Remington 870 Wingmaster, and a vintage Winchester Model 12. All of them are 12 gauge fine works of craftsmanship and not over accesorized toys.

Brian Pfleuger
February 28, 2009, 10:34 AM
I agree competely. It is the result of a new generation raised on video games instead of real guns. There are far too many mall ninja SWAT team wannabees with juvenuile attitudes.

Wow. You guys are really something else. Sure, we all have our little gripes. I personally can't stand it when people can't be bothered with punctuation or grammar but to start a thread for the simple purpose of attacks and name calling because you don't like the term "shotty"? Give me a break.

How has this thread remained open this long?


I was raised with video games AND real guns. How about that? I'm really sorry that I'm not part of the "old guy" generation. Really I am, but you "old guys" need to get the stick out of your rears and go on with life.

You know the reason most guys use those terms you don't like so much? It's because they have never been around someone who could show them otherwise. Do you really think that having an attitude like that displayed in this thread is going to encourage them to stick around and learn? No, it's not. It's going to drive them away, make them hate all the old guys with guns and figure the only good place for guns IS video games. Then we've got an entire new set of voters against us. Yep, good move fellas. Keep it up.

Buckskinner Bart
February 28, 2009, 10:44 AM
As wrong as shotty sounds to me,I reckon it ain't. But "ya'll"? It ought to be y'all. You know, you all. Sorry.



...all who wander are not lost.

Hawg Haggen
February 28, 2009, 11:48 AM
Everybody?

Well not everybody but more do than don't.

Shane Tuttle
February 28, 2009, 01:12 PM
The people using baby names for shotguns are probably gay.

How does this have ANYTHING to do with the subject at hand?:mad:

why is it acceptable to bastardize shotgun names?

I'm one picky jerk. I can't stand seeing terms botched. "Caliber" for cartridge. "Clip" for magazine, etc. I do agree that "bastardized" terms may not be appropriate to place in a title or during a formal discussion.

But I have to respectfully disagree with your opinion otherwise. After a discussion is established or if you're talking to friends for instance, I see no wrong in using those terms. Reason? I merely think they're all nicknames. Have you never called a friend of yours or referred him/her by a shortened version of their name or a different one altogether?

I see people named Richard called by "Dick". Guys named John by "Jack". How did this originate? Why would it be universally be accepted to refer to people by a different term, yet get torqued by giving an inanimate(sp) object the same treatment?

I'm not trying to stir the pot. But this sufferer of OCD doesn't see a huge issue.

Dave McC
February 28, 2009, 01:17 PM
This is treading a very thin wire strung over The Pit Of Closure...

Here's my take.....

I find the use of "Shotty" "Mossie" etc annoying.

However, if someone convinces me that he/she went through a few thousand shells since Michaelmas and their shotgun sports a good set of wear marks THEY put there, they can call it any darn thing they want.

But...

Using the term "Ultimate" in the same paragraph with any word meaning 'Shotgun" skirts the edge of acceptance.

fisherman66
February 28, 2009, 01:29 PM
Don't bother me none. It's a baskins robins kind of world. Now, the clip/mag thing...

The people using baby names for shotguns are probably gay.
I'm an old phart, for all I know a shotty is something you order in a gay bar.


If calling a shotgun a shottie is juvenile, then gay bashing is infantile. Grow up.

strat81
February 28, 2009, 03:20 PM
Get back to driving your Caddy.

;)

Pbearperry
February 28, 2009, 03:33 PM
I don't care if someone refers to Brownings as Brownies etc.What really bothers me is when someone refers to his guns as his girls,his children etc.That's bizarre.:barf:

hogdogs
February 28, 2009, 03:42 PM
So me referring to my 500 as my ugly black girlfriend creeps ya out?:D Bummer deal dude!
Now had I named a gun on my way out of the gun store it would creep me out but like dave mcC will attest, a HD/SD shotgun needs worn in until it is an extension of your self. When you spend enuff hours shooting the gun and sleeping next to it, A name seems to attach... at least for me...:D
Brent

Microgunner
February 28, 2009, 04:16 PM
I hate those abbreviated pet names also. Sounds too British. Not that I have anything against the Britt's but we're certainly not British and have the scars to prove it.

Vanya
February 28, 2009, 05:42 PM
The people using baby names for shotguns are probably gay.

Sounds too British.

....gay??? .....British???

Egads! Is this forum being overrun by Limey poofters? What a delicious thought.

It seems to me to be pretty simple. Calling things (or people, for that matter) by their right names is a sign of respect -- it's a polite, classy thing to do unless you know them very well indeed. (I even get a bit crabby when people refer to celebrities or politicians by their first names, or god forbid by nicknames: and just when did you last have a beer with "A-Rod," or "Rush," or....? :rolleyes: You get the point.)

If someone starts a thread about his "tricked-out Mossy," or whatever, I'm probably just going to ignore it. If I find his (or her -- don't wanna be sexist here) language generally annoying -- isn't that what the "ignore" function is for? You can make these people go away, and then you won't have to worry about them.

Just pay them no mind, move on, and set a good example in your own posts; a person doesn't have to hang out here long to figure out which members are experienced, knowledgeable, worth listening to and emulating.

Miss Manners would NEVER call hers a "shottie." And the Brits have Purdeys, so they don't have this problem -- what else are ya gonna call one of THOSE?? :D :D

Vanya
February 28, 2009, 06:38 PM
Yes... I do refer to the 20 gauge shotgun as "Miss Remington," and to the 12 gauge (youth model) as "Master Mossberg."

Dave McC
February 28, 2009, 07:58 PM
No bashing of Gays, Brits,Gay Brits, or folks who say "Shottie".

No bashing at all. That's not what we're here for.

Back on topic.....

I googled BA/UU/R a few months back and found it in stuff written in Spanish or Portuguese and German as well as the stuff I spout (or is it spew) in American English.

Am I mad they use my "Intellectual Property"?

No. I'm happy the word's getting out.

One thing I've maintained for a long time. The effort and commitment needed to train with a shotgun can cause personal growth. One has to control oneself before he or she can control the shot.

Anyone,IMO, who puts forth that effort and time can call their shotgun anything they want.

Maybe some of us need to hit the range more....

ritepath
February 28, 2009, 09:03 PM
I always say, Model 12, Model 11, 29, 31 ect...

Chuckusaret
March 2, 2009, 09:55 AM
Just had the same discussion on another site. Most people prefer not to call a shotgun a "Shotty" or hear the word "Shotty". I do not like the it either and will not use the word. It does not sound manly according to my wife. Nuff said...It is a shotgun.

oneounceload
March 2, 2009, 02:12 PM
if "shotgun" is too long to type, I am agreeable with SG or similar nomenclature. If we older folks have a responsibility to pass on these grand traditions and encourage the youth to become the future of our sport, then with that comes maturity and responsibility to call it what it is....a shotgun.

But I think we have beat this to death for the moment - thanks to all who voiced their views - even to those who didn't agree with me....:D

dgludwig
March 4, 2009, 03:40 PM
As long as we're airing out our pet peeves, one of mine is when people afix the female gender to their firearm, you know "I took her out today and she shot real good." But, then again, I'm older than most of you and was raised in a time when you never addressed an adult by their first name and always said "thank you" (I even thank the toll booth operators when I hand them my money- now, I've got to break that habit :)). To continue my stream of pettiness, I hate it when someone says "no problem" when I think they mean "you're welcome."

Okay, I feel better now. And I suppose "shotty" is better than "snotty"

zippy13
March 4, 2009, 05:43 PM
While in school, I was taught that language is living and dynamic. The older I get, the more I realize how rapidly language actually changes. No problem for you're welcome doesn't bother me since it's the equivalent of it was nothing which is the standard response to thank you in several languages. What really bothers me is when common phrases are inadvertently corrupted. Saying I could care less when I couldn't care less is appropriate is a common faux pas. Folks are lazy and parrot phrases as they think they hear them, without actually digesting the meaning.

Big Bill
March 4, 2009, 07:19 PM
I named my Winchester Defender "winnie". :D

BigJimP
March 4, 2009, 08:12 PM
I don't disagree with most of you / but I think we're making too big a thing out of this stuff guys ( on both sides ).

I would prefer a little less slang .... but so what ... / this is meant to be a forum where we can all relax a little and bs about our shotguns / pick on each other in a good natured way / share some info if somebody asks a question or wants some input ..../ and while some of it gets beat to death, in my opinon/if its what people want to know - they should ask - and as long as its respectful, so what.

We've had guys or ladies lurking in here - with some really bizarre questions, at least in my mind. But so what / if they are that far out there - I tend to let it go and not respond / if I take my time to respond ...then I do the best I can.

Dave seems to be real even handed - keeps things in perspective and good natured - and I would never say I have his patience / but lets all just help him continue to do it without aggravating him / or eachother. I guess the quality of the question / the quality of the info given / the sarcasm and dry humor is fun / and all of that makes more difference to me than whether a guy uses slang or not. :cool:

zippy13
March 4, 2009, 09:16 PM
Big Bill
You named your shotgun after Winnie Cooper (Danica McKellar) of TV's The Wonder years? ;)
http://ia.media-imdb.com/images/M/MV5BMTY5NTY2MTcwOF5BMl5BanBnXkFtZTYwMTg2NTc3._V1._CR0,0,450,450_SS80_.jpg

Big Jim
+1 on your kudos to Dave Mc

OHdeerhuntingmarine
March 5, 2009, 05:53 PM
how about "sangwich" instead of sandwich? hahaha

or, "jeet yet?" instead of "did you eat yet?" I love it. but "ya'll" is somehow labeled as hickish, but dang it's one heck of a useful word.