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Whirlwind06
February 26, 2009, 12:19 PM
Anybody have experience with these? Sounds like a cool idea.
10 shots in a 7 shot tube if my math is right.

NEW 00 BUCKSHOT MINI SHELLS NOW HERE !!

We have a new load, the Centurion 2 inch mini shells in OO Buckshot. They are 12ga shells but only 2 inches long, allowing you to instantly increase the capacity of the mag tube on most shotguns. Each shell has 6 pellets of OO Buckshot, and still has a velocity of 1250fps! An innovative new round, be sure to try some out, only $6.59 per box of 10 when you get a case.

See more at http://www.jgsales.com/featured_products.php

GrandmasterB
February 26, 2009, 01:40 PM
Just saw these too and had the same thought. I haven't seen any real world feedback though, and I wonder if the shorter length would affect them loading or not.

jammin1237
February 26, 2009, 08:07 PM
the first mini shells were reported to have major feeding problems in just about all shotguns....so i didnt buy any... they were 1 3/4 inches if i recall... maybe they finally bumped up the length to 2 inches to take care of this...for the the price i'll try a box and see what happens...

cheers...

rantingredneck
February 26, 2009, 08:24 PM
IMO, a solution in search of a problem.

The likelihood of needing more than 7 rounds from your shotgun is remote, but even if you do, that's a software issue solved by learning to load while firing, not a hardware issue solved by compromising power and (likely) reliability by stuffing more rounds in the mag.

Think for a second, would you rather have 6 pellets of 00 buck at 1250 or 9 pellets of 00 buck at 1345 (Federal LE12700). I know what I'll pick.

Only application I can see (provided they prove reliable) is for shooters who are recoil sensitive. Even in that case there are many reduced recoil 12 ga 2 3/4" shells out there as well as 20 ga offerings.

Just my opinion...........

Chuckusaret
March 2, 2009, 11:42 AM
the first mini shells were reported to have major feeding problems in just about all shotguns....so i didnt buy any... they were 1 3/4 inches if i recall...

Yes, they were not usable in my pumps are semi automatics because of feeding problems. According to the ammo manufacturer there were several modifications that could be made to the guns that would allow the use of the mini shells. Not to my guns. I am a believer in reliability when it comes to HD. I'll stick with the tried and true standard shot shells.

hogdogs
March 2, 2009, 11:56 AM
Biggest use of mini shells is for prison guards dealing with a high number of wild caged animals not compliant to rules!
Also the reduced number of shot is expected to reduce collateral damage from ricocheting shot...
Round these parts the short shells are called "poacher loads" as they are a bit quieter allowing the farmer to sleep thru the event...
Brent

Mike U.
March 2, 2009, 02:50 PM
Looks good on paper, however, I agree with the three posts above my own.
I think 9 pellets is about the minimum for me. Any less is a trade off where I'm getting the short end of the trade.
Now, if they can successfully cram 9 pellets into a 2" shell doing 1250-1300+ FPS while not exceeding SAAMI pressure specs and feeds sans jams, I'm all over it. :cool:

"Poacher loads", whoda thunk it?! Very interesting nonetheless.

johnwilliamson062
March 2, 2009, 03:07 PM
The likelihood of needing more than 7 rounds from your shotgun is remote

Home defense? You are probably right.

paramilitary exploits and you could need to reload a few times.

hitting an unarmored convoy with buckshot could be a good use for these.

rantingredneck
March 2, 2009, 03:11 PM
paramilitary exploits and you could need to reload a few times.

hitting an unarmored convoy with buckshot could be a good use for these.


M'kay. Let me know when those guys switch and I may reconsider.....

johnwilliamson062
March 2, 2009, 03:55 PM
those guys
Who are those guys?
Che Guavara used to love that trick, but it has been a while since he did much besides collect T-shirt royalties.
Would have to have a full load of buckshot at lower velocity to work well.

Creature
March 2, 2009, 04:10 PM
These are a bit longer than the Aguila minishells and, as a result, I bet they feed much more reliably. They look very interesting.

rantingredneck
March 2, 2009, 04:56 PM
Who are those guys?

Who ever you were talking about......

My point is that when the professionals who put themselves in harms way with shotgun in hand trust these, let me know......

What's Che Guevarra got to do with it?

jammin1237
March 2, 2009, 08:30 PM
i have read several posts on other forums years ago where reloaders were making 2" shells that cycled properly 100% in their shotguns...i'm just trying to grasp the advantages for HD here... less recoil, more loaded ammo, less collateral? the only way i would use these is if they cycled/fired reliably..i think it would be an ideal family gatekeeper solution, something the wife and or teeny could use in an emergency??

dakotashooter2
March 3, 2009, 04:08 PM
It was my understanding the the original "mini' shells would only reliably function in the 870. Now the added legth may have solved the feeding problem but I'd have to wonder if the would be reliable in a semi auto (cycling). My guess would be no. One advantage might be were weight and bulk were an issue.

rantingredneck
March 3, 2009, 04:56 PM
It was my understanding the the original "mini' shells would only reliably function in the 870.

That was the original marketing spin, but once they got into actual use they weren't reliable in the 870 either. 870's and 500's could be modified to feed them reliably, but who wants to butcher their gun to feed one type of ammo only?

stiletto raggio
September 16, 2009, 12:08 AM
For the record (and because I came across this thread via search engine) I would like to correct the above statements. The Aguila mini-shells were advertised as working in the Winchester 1300 with no modifications, and on four of my five 1300s, this was true. If you shucked the shells rapidly (like you should with any pump gun) they fed great. If you allowed one to pop back onto the loading gate/lifter and tilted the gun, it could turn in the receiver and jam. I think the 2" shells may have fixed this problem. I never tried the Aguilas in any repeater other than the 1300, but they were just the ticket for the cut-down (legal) stockless over/under my buddy and I made brom a beat up Boito. I'll give these a try as well.

Also, as to going with a 20 gauge instead: these are already more readily available than 20 gauge buckshot, and much cheaper to boot.

armsmaster270
September 16, 2009, 02:17 AM
That was the problem with the older Mini shells they would flip in the reciever and try to feed base first, not cool when the SHTF.

DHart
June 21, 2010, 05:23 PM
Stiletto Raggio... how have the 2" Centurion shells worked out in your 1300's?

I just ordered some to try out in my short 1300:

http://i397.photobucket.com/albums/pp59/zmonki/Shotguns%20and%20RIfles/Win1300Birdshead.jpg