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jesus5150
February 21, 2009, 09:58 PM
My work is REALLY anti-gun, when i'm CCW and have to work (I live 25 minutes from work so alot of times going home isn't an option) Should I disobey policy and risk my job? Or do i leave it in my truck and risk it getting stolen? Our building is tucked away out in the dark right next to a run down apartment complex. We've had 3 breakins and 3 Gas Syphonings in the last 6 or 6 months and I work From 3-midnight...


I hate that my options are to not carry, risk a theft and possible killing with a weapon I purchased, or Lying and being dishonest (Breaking Rules)

cchardwick
February 21, 2009, 10:04 PM
I was in a similar situation and considered getting a small gun safe and bolting it to my truck, either under the seat or under the dash. Something like this would be ideal and protect your gun while in the vehicle:

http://www.sportsmansteelsafes.com/images_new/hand_gun_safe-lg.jpg

jesus5150
February 21, 2009, 10:14 PM
Yeah i thought about that but Cost aside (which is another issue) i have two trucks and a Drag car which i drive in the summer. I'm mostly concerned about that, because i can't have a gun safe sitting next to a rollcage and a polished Chrome Nitrous bottle lol. It just won't look good, and since it's a drag car it has no rear interior (Except side panels and carpet to look tasteful) so i couldn't hide it... But I suppose i'll have to suck it up and take the hit if I can't find an alternative.

cchardwick
February 21, 2009, 10:23 PM
If you were good at welding you could weld up some diamond plate around it or something so it wouldn't look like a gun safe, maybe disguise it as a first aid kit LOL.

jesus5150
February 21, 2009, 10:25 PM
Yeah maybe! I've been trying to find a place to put my fire extinguisher, i could mount it to the top! So i'm assuming those are fairly hard to break into correct?

sserdlihc
February 21, 2009, 11:06 PM
I would suggest mount a safe in your truck similar to what I did here.
I bolted thru the floor with domed carriage bolts. This would thwrart the smash a grabs. With my back seat down it is barely visible.

http://i437.photobucket.com/albums/qq96/sserdlihc/DSCF4230.jpg

http://i437.photobucket.com/albums/qq96/sserdlihc/DSCF4236.jpg

jesus5150
February 21, 2009, 11:19 PM
How much did you pay for that slick box? and what does the inside look like?

fastforty
February 21, 2009, 11:29 PM
I use two cable locks. One is left locked around a non-removable part under the seat. The other one gets dropped through the open action & locked to the first one, then the whole thing is flipped out of sight under the seat. One lock alone is a pretty tight squeeze (difficult to lock) & it would be too easy to cram a tire iron into it and screw something up.

sserdlihc
February 21, 2009, 11:44 PM
I paid $50 bucks at Dicks sporting goods for it. The inside is just a basic steel box. I added a piece of foam to the inside. This wasn't my design. I stole it from PBP. I can leave my CW in there without having to worry so much.

psyfly
February 22, 2009, 07:48 PM
This started as a short-term quick and dirty solution while I was on the road.

Intended to stop the smash and grab; not good for a determined career criminal with a little time and a crowbar (but then, not many portable solutions will defeat a detrmined career burglar).

Lock Box from the local Wally world gun shop < $20.00.

http://i291.photobucket.com/albums/ll297/psypilot/Trucksafe1Small.jpg

I drilled a 1/2" hole in two adjacent sides (making a hole in the corner) to attach the box to the truck.

http://i291.photobucket.com/albums/ll297/psypilot/Trucksafe2Small.jpg

I have it attached to the seat frame with a set of handcuffs (Which I already had but < $25.00 at most pawn shops) but any kind of lock and loop will work.

The box will hold up to 8 handguns.

YMMV

Will

vytoland
February 22, 2009, 10:20 PM
Should I disobey policy and risk my job?

for sure jesus......... you can always get some kind of job............but guns must come first:rolleyes:

armsmaster270
February 22, 2009, 11:47 PM
The problem with handcuffs is every thug has a key for them. There are basically 3 keys the old hot in use now, the present get one at any locksmith no questions asked and the High Security not used much.

David Armstrong
February 23, 2009, 01:02 PM
or Lying and being dishonest
That is the key to me. Are you an honest person whose word can be trusted, or are you willing to be known as dishonest, lying, untrustworthy, and so on. Taking the job and the salary while pretending to follow the rules, knowing that you are breaking the rules just for the purpose of getting money (salary) doesn't seem that different than any of the other dishonest ways people get money through con games. Maintain your integrity.

Playboypenguin
February 23, 2009, 01:23 PM
I paid $50 bucks at Dicks sporting goods for it. The inside is just a basic steel box. I added a piece of foam to the inside. This wasn't my design. I stole it from PBP. I can leave my CW in there without having to worry so much.

You dirty thief! :D ;)

Having this in the vehicle really does make things easier...doesn't it. I have no problems leaving a firearm in the truck now. All it takes is about an hour of your time and $60 worth of safe and materials. I also added a moisture resistant foam to the inside. The safe, combined with an alarm system, makes it highly unlikely that any thief is going to get my firearm even if they manage to get inside the truck. :)

http://i142.photobucket.com/albums/r89/PlayboyPenguin/TS1.jpg

http://i142.photobucket.com/albums/r89/PlayboyPenguin/TS4.jpg

As for your situation at work, is the interior of your workplace secure? Is there security?

Tennessee Gentleman
February 23, 2009, 03:54 PM
knowing that you are breaking the rules just for the purpose of getting money (salary) doesn't seem that different than any of the other dishonest ways people get money through con games. Maintain your integrity.

Protecting yourself is not dishonest and I have posted before, any employer that offers you the choice between safety and employment is offering you an immoral choice. I would not break the rules to "just get money" but I might to protect my life if I need to. Big difference.

sserdlihc
February 27, 2009, 08:31 PM
Quote:
I paid $50 bucks at Dicks sporting goods for it. The inside is just a basic steel box. I added a piece of foam to the inside. This wasn't my design. I stole it from PBP. I can leave my CW in there without having to worry so much.

You dirty thief!

Guilty as charged!! Hey a great idea is a great idea. You are right it does make things alot easier.

tony pasley
February 27, 2009, 08:48 PM
www.galls.com has a under seat safe with electric and or key lock.

lockedcj7
February 28, 2009, 10:45 AM
I have a similar problem. I'm a teacher and guns are forbidden anywhere on campus by state law. If I were caught with one, I would be fired, lose my permit, pay a fine and/or spend some time in jail. In addition, the state would revoke me certificate and I would never be able to get another job as a teacher.

In the eyes of the law, it wouldn't matter if the gun was unloaded, inoperable and locked up. To make matters worse, the chances of getting caught are relatively high. We periodically have drug/gun dogs sweep the parking lot. The school is situated on a large lot out in the country and I can't easily park off campus without attracting unwanted attention.

Soo.... my options are pretty limited. I agree that it's an immoral choice but I knew the rules before I started down the path to this profession. As a result, I leave my gun at home and only carry it when I'm not going to work. I try to limit my errands to days when I can carry but it's not always practical.

Our state has a CC organization that is trying to get the law changed so that teachers and staff with a valid CWP can leave a weapon in a locked vehicle but it won't be easy.

pax
February 28, 2009, 01:17 PM
There's a perfectly functional thread down in L&CR (http://www.thefiringline.com/forums/showthread.php?t=339885) where you guys can hash over the legal and ethical implications of anti-gun company policies.

Please keep this one on topic for the T&T forum, and discuss ways to safely store a firearm in one's vehicle when that is the only viable option.

pax

11bravo_2papa
February 28, 2009, 01:30 PM
i picked one of these up for about 25$ it can be sucured with the cable or bolted to the floor.

11bravo_2papa
February 28, 2009, 01:35 PM
sorry this should be it

FrontSight
February 28, 2009, 01:48 PM
OK, I gotta ask:

Are you guys not worried about your whole truck being stolen? Hundreds or thousands are stolen every day, and then they have time and tools to chop that safe up just like they chop up the rest of the truck...

And then there's another gun in the hands of criminals...

11bravo_2papa
February 28, 2009, 02:04 PM
stealing a car takes a car theif with a little know how not a crack head with a blunt object needing a fix. it is more likely that your car will be broken into than stolen.

sserdlihc
February 28, 2009, 02:06 PM
Are you guys not worried about your whole truck being stolen? Hundreds or thousands are stolen every day, and then they have time and tools to chop that safe up just like they chop up the rest of the truck...

Of course I am worried about my truck being stolen. I have an alarm system to help deter theft. I installed my safe not to store the firearm for long periods of time. I use it primarily when I am carrying my CW and I end up having to go into a hospital, state or government building to name a few. I do not leave my firearm in the safe overnight.

I have had my truck broke into before and had several things stolen out of my center console that I had locked. Luckily, I didn't have a firearm in the console.

And then there's another gun in the hands of criminals...

What do you suggest people do? Please enlighten us? Have people toss their CW in a console or glovebox with no type of security? Mine was installed to thwart smash and grabs. Nothing more.

David Armstrong
February 28, 2009, 03:20 PM
Are you guys not worried about your whole truck being stolen? Hundreds or thousands are stolen every day, and then they have time and tools to chop that safe up just like they chop up the rest of the truck...
And then there's another gun in the hands of criminals...
Just because you can't stop everything is no reason to avoid trying to stop some things. You can't always stop a BG from breaking into your house and getting your guns. You can't always stop a BG from beating you up and taking your gun. That doesn't mean you don't try to prevent those things to the degree comfortable for you.

FrontSight
March 1, 2009, 05:06 PM
What do you suggest people do? Please enlighten us?

Whoa, whoa, go easy there...I don't have all the answers.

Maybe a better approach would be that the govt buildings have guarded lockers provided, since they are the ones that make it illegal for you to have your weapon.

They already have guards at the metal detectors, so why not lockers where you check in your ccw and your id as well...when you leave, you get both back.

If you have a ccw then you are obviously a trust worthy individual, and should be allowed to have your firearm anywhere, and if they are going to deny you that right at a certain place then it should be up to them to handle the problem, in my opinion.

Otherwise, they are just creating an additional potential problem...

pax
March 1, 2009, 09:34 PM
Scrap ~

Feel free to go post down in the Law & Civil Rights forum to discuss what the government "should" do or "should" require of posted businesses. (Seriously -- not being snarky.)

This forum is for discussion of how to cope with the way things actually are. Discussions about changing the laws, requiring posted businesses to maintain accommodations for gun owners, etc are far beyond the scope of the Tactics and Training forum.

pax

Playboypenguin
March 1, 2009, 09:41 PM
I would take PAX's suggestion. That could be an interesting topic. I know I have thought long and hard about what I will do to accomodate my employees if they carry a gun.

As far as leaving a gun the car/truck...if we spend our whole lives not doing anything that has a possible bad outcome, we would never do anything at all. Every scenario has a worst case scenario. :)

sserdlihc
March 1, 2009, 10:18 PM
As far as leaving a gun the car/truck...if we spend our whole lives not doing anything that has a possible bad outcome, we would never do anything at all. Every scenario has a worst case scenario.

I agree, doing something to protect yourself is better than doing nothing at all.

The OP states:
My work is REALLY anti-gun, when i'm CCW and have to work (I live 25 minutes from work so alot of times going home isn't an option) Should I disobey policy and risk my job? Or do i leave it in my truck and risk it getting stolen? Our building is tucked away out in the dark right next to a run down apartment complex. We've had 3 breakins and 3 Gas Syphonings in the last 6 or 6 months and I work From 3-midnight...

This member obviously was looking for options for storing his weapon in his vehicle. Atleast that is where I came from. I would not suggest someone go against company policy. I offered an option and an application for storing the members weapon in his truck. As did PBP,psyfly,tony pasley and cchardwick.
Looks like the majority of the members that posted on this thread stayed on point and tried to help out the OP....looks like some didn't.:rolleyes:

justinicus
March 2, 2009, 12:21 AM
I like the idea of bolting a safe into my car. Unfortunately in my case, it would probably have to be in my trunk. Anyone have any "security bolt" suggestions? Bolting a safe into a joist or stud is pretty easy -- you don't have to worry about someone unscrewing it from the other side!

A carriage bolt would require a properly-fitted square hole, right?

Ginger
March 4, 2009, 10:51 PM
Have you asked your employer if you could use a gun safe at work so that you can at least cc into and out of the property?