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Walther22lr
February 13, 2009, 09:56 PM
I have recently come into the possession of an 1860 cap and ball revolver.

The barrel indicates it was made by ARMI SAN PAOLO - BRESCIA.

The date code is AD so I believe it was made in 1978.

Caliber is .44. The frame is case hardened steel and it has a brass trigger guard and brass backstrap.

It is in very good shape overall and appears to not have ever been fired or disassembled by its previous owner.

I understand Armi San Paolo was renamed Euroarms. A check of the Euroarms website does not show any Colt type of revolvers available at this time.

Is this a quality piece and are there spare parts available for it?

Or is it just a wall hanger?

mykeal
February 13, 2009, 10:34 PM
Egads. Armi San Paolo, not Armi San Marco. I need to get some better glasses. Sorry, folks.

Smokin_Gun
February 13, 2009, 10:51 PM
ASP or Armi San Paolo is a very well made product...google S&S for a Website and download the .pdf catalogue.
S and S Firearms
Purveyors of Military Americana
Established 1957
74-11 MYRTLE AVENUE, GLENDALE, NEW YORK 11385
Telephone 718-497-1100 Fax 718-497-1105
E-Mail Info@SSFirearms.com

And I will also say that the ASM or Armi San Marcos is a very good product also...

If you want to sell that ASP 1860 let me know and you can get a Pietta or Uberti of your choice.
Thanks in advance...PM me.

SG

Fingers McGee
February 13, 2009, 11:33 PM
Armi San Paolo changed it's name to Euroarms Italia in 2002 and is currently imported as Euroarms America. Their products are distributed by Cabelas, Dixie, and Navy Arms. Quality is on par with Pietta and Uberti. Their primary production now days is muzzleloading rifles; but they still make a repo of the Rogers and Spencer and '58 Remington.

An older 1860 by them should serve you well. You'd probably have to contact S&S Firearms (I had completely forgotten about them) or Euroarms of America for parts availability

arcticap
February 15, 2009, 06:07 AM
Last month there was an unfired Euroarms stainless 1860 on Gunbroker that sold for $275.
I wasn't sure if it was stainless or polished steel, and the header also said it was a CVA.
It sure is a beautiful looking revolver.
Think it could really be stainless and a CVA?

http://gunbroker.com/Auction/ViewItem.asp?Item=120247581

http://thefiringline.com/forums/attachment.php?attachmentid=42524&stc=1&d=1234696276

http://thefiringline.com/forums/attachment.php?attachmentid=42525&stc=1&d=1234696287

http://thefiringline.com/forums/attachment.php?attachmentid=42526&stc=1&d=1234696415

mykeal
February 15, 2009, 11:52 AM
CVA's 1860 Army had a color case hardened frame; there's no record of them selling a stainless steel version. Euroarms Italia, on the other hand, made the 1860 Army in both brass and blued steel frame but no color case hardened or stainless steel frame. That suggests that the gun is really a Euroarms manufactured steel frame that has been deblued, polished and probably 'defarbed'.

Fingers McGee
February 15, 2009, 12:10 PM
Quote mykeal
CVA's 1860 Army had a color case hardened frame; there's no record of them selling a stainless steel version. Euroarms Italia, on the other hand, made the 1860 Army in both brass and blued steel frame but no color case hardened or stainless steel frame. That suggests that the gun is really a Euroarms manufactured steel frame that has been deblued, polished and probably 'defarbed'.

My references indicate the same thing. When bprevolver publishes his book on repos we may have further information.

fm

Hawg
February 15, 2009, 12:19 PM
It's not defarbed as you can see the markings in the pics.

bprevolver
February 15, 2009, 05:29 PM
Revolvers marked Armi San Paolo are very collectable. They became Euroarms and have not marked ASP for several years.

Bootsie
February 16, 2009, 03:04 AM
Dont know if CVA imported the stainless version but ASP/Euroarms made 1860s in true stainless steel. I know because I owned one. Mine had a brass back-strap. There is a pic of this stainless ASP over at www.gripmaker.com with PU ivory grips.
Bootsie

arcticap
February 17, 2009, 03:20 AM
Here it is:

http://thefiringline.com/forums/attachment.php?attachmentid=42613&stc=1&d=1234858680

http://www.gripmaker.com/guns/Wolf%20Mexican.htm

Fingers McGee
February 17, 2009, 07:27 PM
When in doubt, go to the source. According to Euroarms of America, they (Armi San Paolo) made SS 1860s up until 1987.

FM

Here's the exchange:

----- Original Message -----
From: Euroarms of America
To: fingersmcgee
Sent: Tuesday, February 17, 2009 1:19 PM
Subject: Re: Stainless Steel 1860 Army.


Yes, the last time they are listed in our price list was in 1987.

Regards,
Euroarms of America, Inc,
----- Original Message -----
From: fingersmcgee
To: mail@euroarms.net
Sent: Tuesday, February 17, 2009 12:43 PM
Subject: Stainless Steel 1860 Army.


Howdy,

I have a question concerning older Armi San Paolo/Euroarms cap and ball revolvers. Did Armi San Paolo or Euroarms ever make the Colt model 1860 Army pistol in stainless steel to sell either under their own name or for Connecticut Valley Arms (CVA) ??

Thank you in advance for your time and response.

I am your most humble and obedient servant

'Fingers McGee'

Rawkfist
November 3, 2013, 08:34 AM
Howdy everyone.
I see that there are some pretty knowledgeable people here on Armi San Poalo aka Euroarms. I would like to sell my 1873 44/40 replica Winchester carbine but do not have a clue what I should ask. I bought it back in 1990 for about 650. It has only been fired once and appears in Mint condition. I have sent a email to Euroarms but am currently waiting for a response. Any help would be greatly appreciated.
Thanks.

bedbugbilly
November 3, 2013, 07:58 PM
Walther22lr - some excellent sources for parts and some great information already given. I had several ASP products in past years - they functioned fine and never had any issues with them and the ones I had, were well made.

I don't know if Doc Hoy will chime in on this but he's worked on a lot of different brands - his mechanical genius astounds us all! :)

I'm thinking he may be a good one as he might know what internals will work or could be modified to work if you ever have problems or need to find parts and the suppliers given already don't have them.

It sounds like you have a good one - shoot it and enjoy it! :)

Doc Hoy
November 4, 2013, 04:22 PM
...that ASP revolvers were very well manufactured in comparison to the contemporary products.

I have a stainless 1860 from ASP but the back strap and trigger guard are of steel like the rest of the revolver.

BP revolver is the authority on historical replicas. In my opinion, ASPs are desirable for two reasons:

1. Better manufacture
2. Rarer than other manufs of that period.

I love mine.

Tnx,