View Full Version : Night time: Do you keep one in the pipe?
February 9, 2009, 08:56 AM
For some of us carrying conditions change depending on the circumstances. I would like know how many of you keep one in the pipe in your night stand gun?
February 9, 2009, 08:59 AM
Any gun that I think I might need (such as one devoted to a defensive purpose) has one in the pipe.
February 9, 2009, 09:12 AM
Assuming by locked, you mean a trigger lock, no I don't. If its locked in the 1911/BHP sense, yes, I keep them cocked and locked(thumb safety up) with one in the chamber. Any other revolver or semi auto I might use would be full loaded, with a round chambered and in the appropriate safety condition.
I can't see the value in not having a round chambered and ready to go. Also I think having a trigger lock on your primary defense pistol, that you may need to save your life, unexpectedly in the middle of the night, is just plain silly.
February 9, 2009, 09:21 AM
Condition One is the way mine stay unless they are being cleaned.
February 9, 2009, 09:22 AM
Cocked and locked 24/7/365
February 9, 2009, 09:25 AM
Cocked and locked 24/7/365 Same here, always ready in the same condition I carry it.
February 9, 2009, 09:26 AM
If you keep the weapon in a good holster (i.e. your carry rig), you should have no issues keeping the weapon ready to go.
February 9, 2009, 09:30 AM
Wasn't there a story about keeping a loaded gun near the bed and the phone ringing late at night and the sleepy guy put the gun to his head instead of the phone and.... well you know:p
February 9, 2009, 09:34 AM
Communications - port side.
Weapons - starboard side.
February 9, 2009, 09:41 AM
Communications - port side. Weapons - starboard side.
Yeah but I have a king size bed and my frau is on one side of it :eek:
The Great Mahoo
February 9, 2009, 10:27 AM
I rarely keep one in the chamber over night. I do carry condition 1 during the day, but when I take the gun off my person, I clear the chamber and re-insert the mag.
If I am alerted enough to go for the gun, I am alert enough to rack the slide.
February 9, 2009, 10:34 AM
yep, sure do.
February 9, 2009, 11:23 AM
You don't have an option for me.
I picked "Yep, and unlocked." but, since it's a Glock, it's really "Unlocked and Half-Cocked":D;)
It's also in a Gunvault so safety is not really the issue.
February 9, 2009, 11:30 AM
The pistol has a round chambered but the shotgun doesn't.
Go figure :confused:
February 9, 2009, 12:16 PM
Nope... I don't think the three femto-seconds it will take me to chamber a round will be the deciding factor.
February 9, 2009, 01:06 PM
TG wrote:Wasn't there a story about keeping a loaded gun near the bed and the phone ringing late at night and the sleepy guy put the gun to his head instead of the phone and....
Yah, famous Darwin Award winner, that one, and IIRC it was NOT an urban legend.
Pour moi, it's the shotgun by the bed, chamber empty. I'd rather be sure I'm awake enough to roll out of bed, grab it, rack it, and figure out who or what made that bump in the night -- I don't want to be firing it half-asleep and find out I just shot my dog...
February 9, 2009, 01:25 PM
Magazine in, safety off, chamber empty. If the situation is so periless that I haven't got time to recognize the situation and rack the slide I will more than likely already be a victim. I have 3 dogs in the house and one has a sense of hearing that simply amazes me. It can hear someone walking up the driveway and goes into alert. Once she goes into alert in the middle of the night I will grab my pistol and be ready for whatever action is necessary.
My personal choice is I would rather have that extra split second to rack the slide and become fully aware than pull the pistol and maybe shoot someone inadvertantly. I am not suggesting anyone do what I do but that is my choice.
February 9, 2009, 01:30 PM
Not as much of a potential issue for me. My nightstand gun is my old S&W 4586.
February 9, 2009, 01:39 PM
For CCW, sure, one in the pipe.
For nightstand, no, I don't want to end up like the guy who answered his Glock instead of the phone. Nightstand gun (M&P45) is loaded but not chambered, and sits in a holster that carries one extra mag and a flashlight.
February 9, 2009, 04:53 PM
Yes, in holster. 10+1.
February 9, 2009, 06:05 PM
Yup, always, 24/7-365
February 9, 2009, 06:06 PM
Yep, I usually have more than one loaded and at the ready. I do not normally keep it within reach of the bed, though, so when the dogs start barking I can get up, shake the fuzzies off, and investigate if need be.
February 9, 2009, 06:24 PM
My defensive guns are always ready to go, round chambered!If children were around it would be different. We don't allow kids in the house.:D
February 9, 2009, 06:38 PM
Nope...racking the slide gives my hands something to do while my brain wakes up... :D
February 9, 2009, 06:45 PM
My carry is DAO and is always carried with one chambered....just as my revolvers were carried.
As for bedside...phone is on wifey's side...business communication is on my side. :D
February 9, 2009, 06:53 PM
"My defensive guns are always ready to go, round chambered!If children were around it would be different. We don't allow kids in the house."
February 9, 2009, 08:57 PM
Same as daytime. 100% safe but ready to go!
February 10, 2009, 12:37 AM
Did not have a round in chamber until 3 days ago. After reading TFL threads I decided on "one in chamber, safety on". This morning, 0330, I had my first true OH S! moment as our alarm went off. I am a heavy sleeper , but, 5 seconds from out of bed ready to fire was in hind sight very comforting(especially for my wife who is gun wary). Luckily it was a false alarm, 3 more alarms during the day, and I am sure I have forever traumitized my dd moving through the house in boxers with a gun in hand!
That said, not having to rack slide was a comfort for me
The only other thing learned is my dog talks a big game but...
February 10, 2009, 12:42 AM
All my defensive guns are fully loaded and chambered. The argument for racking the slide before hand makes far too many assumptions IMO.
February 10, 2009, 01:04 AM
My guns are always loaded and decocked. I think that on the night stand would be the most important time to have the weapon loaded and easily manipulated. I know when I wake up in the middle of the night only half my brain is working and its dark.
February 10, 2009, 07:27 PM
Cocked and locked for me.
February 10, 2009, 07:51 PM
Wasn't there a story about keeping a loaded gun near the bed and the phone ringing late at night and the sleepy guy put the gun to his head instead of the phone and....
Yah, famous Darwin Award winner, that one, and IIRC it was NOT an urban legend.
There was also guy who bought a Darwin award by trying to play Russian roulette with a autopistol. He loaded one round in the mag, inserted the mag, racked the slide and...well, I think you can guess what happened next.
February 10, 2009, 08:32 PM
USPc locked and cocked 24/7/365. I used to un-chamber a round when arriving home, but decided that the unnecessary handling of the firearms could cause more harm than good. Its always ready to go on me or right by the bed. To keep from shooting someone by mistake, my first instinct is to reach for the flashlight.
February 11, 2009, 07:14 AM
1911 cocked & locked
bedside phone isn't in a thumb-break holster, though-keep it simple
February 11, 2009, 05:19 PM
,like the xmd40 it really is like the glock , but it has grip safety and trigger safety , but once you hold the gun all you have to do is pull the trigger . so i keep it loaded but not one in the chamber. on the hip i would carry it that way in the holster . but not in my sleep. if it had a manual safety i would carry one in the chamber since you cannot decock the gun with one in the chamber. to scarey . so my question is how do all the xd guys keep the gun safe with one in the chamber?
February 11, 2009, 05:21 PM
so my question is how do all the xd guys keep the gun safe with one in the chamber?
By excercising proper trigger discipline and not touching the trigger until ready to fire.
February 11, 2009, 06:12 PM
The XD-45 is loaded 24/7 with the exception being when it gets a cleaning. It never sleeps....:eek:
I have a couple of other guns hidden in different areas of the home and they're loaded as well.
All the others are unloaded.
Glenn E. Meyer
February 11, 2009, 06:17 PM
What to do?
Evaluate your view of the risks:
1. Chambered - you may ND for various factors.
2. Unchambered - you may not get the gun into action fast enough or screw up the racking.
Which branch is more dangerous to your survival and those you need to protect?
That's the decision for you.
February 11, 2009, 07:17 PM
...and its a Pump-12 under the bed. When my dog goes bonkers at 0400 I can be condition 1 covering the hallway in seconds. And in many situations, hearing the homeowner rack a 12 gauge is enough to make a prowler steal someone else's TV. Sleeping with condition one weapons is a no-no in my book.
February 11, 2009, 07:21 PM
Condition 1. Always.
February 11, 2009, 07:25 PM
I specifically chose my HK USP in 40 S&W for my "nightstand gun". I keep one in the pipe and decocked. My rationale:
a) I don't want to wake up and have to remember to rack the slide or to disengage the safety.
b) I don't want to risk an ND so I appreciate that first 13ish lbs. trigger pull in double action.
For me a reliable DA/SA gun met my "nightstand gun" requirements.
February 11, 2009, 07:58 PM
what does ND stand for? i understand what is happening but what is the meaning? no question is stupid it's the question you don't ask.
February 11, 2009, 08:09 PM
My carry gun is also my home defense gun, and stays cocked and locked and within arms reach 24/7. The only time it gets unloaded is when i shoot it empty :D
February 11, 2009, 08:12 PM
My bedside is my carry gun a Sig 226 the only time the chamber is empty is when I am cleaning it. 46 years and I haven't tried to talk into it yet.
February 11, 2009, 10:39 PM
what does ND stand for?
February 12, 2009, 05:58 PM
357 revolver. Simple, no thought process needed to operate. Obviously not kept cocked.
February 12, 2009, 06:18 PM
357 Also Great Night Stand Gun :d
February 12, 2009, 08:41 PM
In the holster 15+1
February 12, 2009, 08:50 PM
This isn't a judgement or anything, but I wonder about the risk/reward ratio here. I'm assuming the majority of people here don't live amongst gang-bangers and so I'm wondering what is the need for this?
I'd like to learn how to shoot a rifle for ranges and maybe hunting when I'm good enough. As such, I've started thinking about getting a handgun for the wife as I travel a lot. We don't live in a bad area at all, it's a 'just in case' thing. However, if it's pointless to have a handgun for defense unless you have a round in the pipe then she'd never agree to it. Insight would be appreciate.
February 13, 2009, 09:32 PM
like badlander siad, all the homeprotectors are loaded, if the dog starts barking, the glock 21 (always hot) and my pistol grip converted saiga 12 with an ati night scope are within reach. i can pick up the saiga and flip the nightvision with iluminator on, so i can be sure what im about to shoot is a bad guy. my wife also has a pistol grip converted saiga 20 on her side and her taurus 745
February 15, 2009, 06:36 PM
my XD has one in the pipe at all times unless the gun itself in is pieces being cleaned. if i have to grab it in the middle of the night, every second counts and i dont want to have to worry about racking it in the dark and the slim chance something weird happening (jamming issue of some sort). i know that every time my hand hits the grip its ready to do what i need should the time come
February 15, 2009, 07:18 PM
yes, and also in my SXS 12ga Mag leaning nearby.
February 15, 2009, 07:38 PM
I carry my gun loaded. I don't have a "night time" mode.
If someone has issues with only being semi-awake when things go bump in the night, then they can make whatever arrangement is safe for them. Maybe having to get out of bed and take one or two steps to reach their gun to insure they're fully awake.
Having to rack the slide might be a solution for some, also. But not as a general practice just because it's night time.
February 15, 2009, 08:27 PM
An always loaded (with one in the pipe) Colt .45 auto. It is ready to go any time day or night. All I need to do is thumb down the safey and pull the trigger when needed.
February 15, 2009, 08:56 PM
I keep one in each of the six pipes (my bedside gun is a revolver)
Wasn't there a story about keeping a loaded gun near the bed and the phone ringing late at night and the sleepy guy put the gun to his head instead of the phone and.... well you know
Yet another reason I don't have a telephone next to my bed:D
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