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jesus5150
February 7, 2009, 12:01 AM
Just curious, I was under the impression that only Swat team members, certain Desert Fox Veterans, and Paranoids had them. But i'm finding out that more and more civilians are getting them... My personal belief is because people are finding out that they are MUCH more affordable. I'd love to have one and thought it would be fun and interesting to find out why you have yours (or why you don't) Please let me know why you chose to get one.

luvsasmith
February 7, 2009, 12:08 AM
Part of the job.

Rich Miranda
February 7, 2009, 12:36 AM
Don't own one now but it's not out of the question in the future. I honestly doubt I'd get one, though unless a real need came up since that's good gun money.

12GaugeShuggoth
February 7, 2009, 08:27 AM
I don't own one, but I'm not against the idea. I just can't realistically see myself needing one. I highly doubt I'll ever enter a career that requires one, and if some sudden social upheaval sends the country in to complete anarchy:rolleyes: I'll be booking down the highway heading to Canada instead of bunking down for the fight. :D

scorpion_tyr
February 7, 2009, 08:33 AM
I don't have a need for one at all right now, but I can's say that I'll never need one. I don't have one and don't plan on getting one, but if I do it'll primarily be for novelty purposes.

Michael Bane
February 7, 2009, 12:41 PM
You know, this year my film crews asked me if I could get them vests, not because anything we've filmed has been unsafe but because of the fact that we're around guns all the time — shooting competitions, police and military training, full auto, etc. The crew felt the vests would add a level of comfort. Cool.

I've never thought I needed a vest, but my old pal David Neth from Point Blank Body Armor (http://www.pointblankarmor.com/) made a good point: If you were out of town and your spouse had to deal with an intruder, would you feel more comfortable knowing she had body armor?

It's now on my purchase list...

Michael B

Erik
February 7, 2009, 12:52 PM
Yes, 2 for work.

WC145
February 7, 2009, 01:05 PM
Yeah, for work.
As far as getting one because it would be cool or neat or you're the first one on your block, you should try wearing one for a day first. They're hot, uncomfortable, and, unless your actually putting yourself in a situation where it might actually be needed, generally a pain in the ass.

grymster2007
February 7, 2009, 01:24 PM
Nope. Not in LE or military and see no need for one at this point. If however, I get into mall security, I'll probably have to have one.

2amencw
February 7, 2009, 01:56 PM
I own several for various members of the family. My reasons are my own and I am not a fear-mongerer. Lets be plain, you buy life insurance, wear seatbelts and put bike helmets on your kids right.... why is this any different. As to the comfort issue.... if you dont know how to make one comfortable you havent worn one enough. If you are uncomfortable think about what hurts worse; a bullet or sweat? If you dont have the stones to deal with some sweat; what does that say about your mindset. I have worn all kinds of different BA from PASGT to lo-pro police style and full spectrum with full rifle plates and K-pot in temps from 90 to 110 F all day. drink water, wear cotton or mesh and suck it up. I trained to shoot with it on and still compete that way regardless of the weather. Even on the range how many knuckleheads have ever "swept" you with the muzzle on a condition one weapon? It only takes one bullet. Kevlar is our friend

Kline605
February 7, 2009, 02:56 PM
Yes, I am currently working in LE.

Para Bellum
February 7, 2009, 03:12 PM
...because I happen to be in critical situations from time to time, was targeted by an armed psycho (in the puzzle-factory now) and received threats.

jesus5150
February 7, 2009, 06:36 PM
I'm really excited to hear that our officers are wearing them. I'm also glad to know that it's not un-heard of to own them for personal use. I'm kid-less and there's not enough going on to merit BA, (There's barely enough to justify CCW where I am... Generally speaking) But i'll put it on the back burner for now... I don't have a good rifle, and i figure if things are to the point that i need BA then i should at least already have a good long gun.

noyes
February 7, 2009, 07:44 PM
Well I don't have one of them vests.I don't have that type of job. But talk about hot & uncomfertable. Try full leathers on 100 plus deg. days for 8hrs.


" Sweat now or bleed latter "

second picture would have ment hospital time without protection

Hkmp5sd
February 7, 2009, 07:56 PM
Massad Ayoob has been teaching for years that a vest should be a standard part of your home security kit. It is only common sense to protect yourself as much as possible.

hoytinak
February 7, 2009, 08:00 PM
I keep one put aside with my AR and case of ammo for when the SHTF. :D

Nnobby45
February 7, 2009, 08:10 PM
Citizens have been wearing them for a long time. Cab drivers, for example, in those cities where they'd been disarmed.

They've also saved lives by preventing trauma by means other than being shot--such as auto accidents.

They don't appear to be that common, though. Might be as many criminals wearing them as law abiding citizens.

Proper term is ballistic vest.

garryc
February 7, 2009, 08:16 PM
I'm issued one for transports. I take it home with me or leave it in my truck. I don't actually own it.

warrior poet
February 7, 2009, 08:43 PM
Don't own one, it is issued gear. I think of the vest and SAPIs like my Iraqi Express Card... don't leave the wire without it. :D

Joe549
February 7, 2009, 08:50 PM
I bought one when I started working security. I paid $750.00 for a level II Armor of America vest that was custom fit for me. I would not have been able to purchase it without supplying the retailer proof that I was employed in the security industry, i.e provincially issued security guard licence. There are certain things that should not be made available to just anyone, and I think body armour is one of them. It can be too easy for criminals to get their hands on them. Remember the bank robbery 15+ years ago, I believe it was in L.A., where the robbers were equipped in full body armour and armed with assault rifles and the massive shoot out that took place between them and the police....

If you're not in a job that is "high risk" then you should not be allowed to own it.... But thats just my 2 cents and I'm certain many people will be flaming me for it.

Hkmp5sd
February 7, 2009, 09:03 PM
They don't appear to be that common, though. Might be as many criminals wearing them as law abiding citizens.


In Florida, it is a 3rd degree felony to wear a bulletproof vest while committing an assortment of crimes and/or gang related activities.

hoytinak
February 7, 2009, 09:30 PM
If you're not in a job that is "high risk" then you should not be allowed to own it....

I'm not in a high risk job and own body armor, I've also got a registered machine gun (M4) and a form 4 in right now for a silencer. ;)

Someone please stop me before these things make me go out and commit all kinds of crimes. :rolleyes:

Webleymkv
February 7, 2009, 09:56 PM
I don't own one because I can't justify the expense for something that would hang at home in my closet because I'm too lazy to wear it.

Milspec
February 7, 2009, 10:00 PM
I used to wear a big heavy one...but they made me turn it back in... ;)

I don't know if there are any restrictions on owning protective vests in Ohio, but I think CHL holders should be able to buy them if they feel the need... :)

Milspec

jesus5150
February 7, 2009, 10:01 PM
Proper term is ballistic vest.


Thank you! I put "Bullet proof vest" in Prin because i wasn't sure... Dad always called it that when referring to his DOC stories/info... I hate slang.

P99AS9
February 7, 2009, 10:06 PM
Only when I go to public ranges. You never know what kind of idiots you can run into there.

Wildalaska
February 7, 2009, 10:06 PM
Absent extraordinary circumstances, a civilian has no need for body armour and I look askance at folks who do:cool:

WildnoneedAlaska TM

Socrates
February 7, 2009, 10:08 PM
I have one. Asked a friend for one, when it became real clear that a gangbanger had harassed a girl outside my classroom, and, I was involved. Never saw the guy again, but, I agree with Mas Ayoob, that if you know they are coming, taking COM, yours, off the table as a target is a huge advantage.

Also, it forces the bad guys to bring either heavy enough weapons, past .357 magnum, or be very good shots.

noyes
February 7, 2009, 10:17 PM
Only when I go to public ranges. You never know what kind of idiots you can run into there.

Good chosie . I have seen a few at the ranges. Most of them will tell you a story of the people whom have got shoot at different ranges. Some by rickashing bullets.

G-man 26
February 7, 2009, 11:19 PM
I voted yes, for work. I'm not LE or military, but used to do security and bounced a few bars in the rough parts of town.

I have a III-A. Wore it a few times, never needed it. I still have it, in the bed, flat under the mattress. I can't understand why civilians would want one, that said, I can't see why we should be barred from it. Like was said in Animal Farm, "all animals are equal, but some animals are MORE equal".

This mentality is why the gun laws are such, in California, and soon to be, for the rest of you. Civilians shouldn't have them because a couple of bad guys did bad stuff with it 15 years or so ago? I've heard this logic before(referring to guns), and shudder to see it here.

Old Wanderer
February 7, 2009, 11:26 PM
I purchased a 2nd Chance Level II vest many years ago. Every once in a while I will feel the urge to wear it for some occasion or another.

Nice comfortable fitting T-shirt insert vest. Good insurance to have.

FM12
February 7, 2009, 11:31 PM
I have several that belong to the State of Alabama, issued to me as state LEO. I also bought one of ebay that looks a little like a dress vest. Better than a t-shirt, dont you think?:D

Csspecs
February 8, 2009, 01:19 AM
I've been looking to buy one, I get stuck going into rough areas every so often. Not like I plan to get shot.... But I also don't plan to have a flat tire :P

bigghoss
February 8, 2009, 12:39 PM
armed guard

mellow_c
February 8, 2009, 01:07 PM
I've got one for 3 of the above reasons....


1... For home Defense.

2... As a novelty item

3... I got a REALLY good deal on it from a friend. I could sell it for 3 time's what I paid for it.

Nothing wrong with civilians owning protection. People act like just because Civilians CAN own body armor, that they are automatically going to use it to go rob a bank. Do people assume that just because you own a car, you are going to use it as a getaway vehicle for robbing a bank?

My vest is pretty big and heavy, it's a level IIIA, and I Just ordered SAPI plates for it. it's awesome, but I was thinking about getting something a little more practical in addition to that vest. Something I can grab and put on much quicker in a home defense situation. And I'll keep my more protective vest aside for your classic disaster scenario. Like Katrina.

You can get pretty good protection for around $300-400. Instead of buying your "next gun" get a vest.

EricReynolds
February 8, 2009, 01:30 PM
I have 2 for work. 1 contoured and 1 extended plus a trauma plate. I'd like to get a Dragon Skin but have no idea where to get it from.

1trp45
February 8, 2009, 01:44 PM
I am issued one for work, and I personally purchased two for work when the issued body armor did not fit well as a concealment model, and then when my issued armor expired my agency (federal) did not have the funds to replace it I personally replaced it. Purchased both from a company called PT armor in Northern Virginia, the original one, not the new company. Both were made of Spectra Shield, one level IIPlus and the second level IIIA. Prior to 9/11 and the Hollywood CA shoot out it was not that uncommon for civilians to be able to purchase them. Usually they were available at gunshows from some unknown manufacturer. Currently some are still available on Ebay and other places. Big investment for a civilian if you really don't have a need or threat on your life.

TxShooter474
February 8, 2009, 02:24 PM
I have several, one for uniformed duty, one for tactical applications and a couple old outdated ones in different parts of the house.

mordis
February 8, 2009, 03:29 PM
Im currently considering one just for home defense. I wanna get something that i can put on quickly and have JIC. Id much rather have one and not need it and need one and not have it. I can understand why alot of people dont have them, but why look down on a civilian for owning and using one.

We all talk and train to protect ourselvs with a weapon, or what ever it is, but why then do we ignore armor and look down on those who arnt in LE or military who own them.

troy_mclure
February 8, 2009, 06:51 PM
ive got a frag vest, and a point blank vest.
the frag vest i got years ago when my unit switched to point blank.
the point blank(current GI issue) was in a duffel bag in a conex that was MIA for over a year.

WC145
February 8, 2009, 07:07 PM
I own several for various members of the family. My reasons are my own and I am not a fear-mongerer. Lets be plain, you buy life insurance, wear seatbelts and put bike helmets on your kids right.... why is this any different. As to the comfort issue.... if you dont know how to make one comfortable you havent worn one enough. If you are uncomfortable think about what hurts worse; a bullet or sweat? If you dont have the stones to deal with some sweat; what does that say about your mindset. I have worn all kinds of different BA from PASGT to lo-pro police style and full spectrum with full rifle plates and K-pot in temps from 90 to 110 F all day. drink water, wear cotton or mesh and suck it up. I trained to shoot with it on and still compete that way regardless of the weather. Even on the range how many knuckleheads have ever "swept" you with the muzzle on a condition one weapon? It only takes one bullet. Kevlar is our friend

What on earth are you talking about? The "stones" to deal with some sweat? Suck it up? Vests are just plain uncomfortable and it's got nothing to do with having the "stones" to deal with anything. Like I said, wearing them is a pain. I wear one on duty but if I wasn't an LEO I wouldn't own one, I just don't see the need if I'm not on the job. And, IMO, equating vests with seat belts, bike helmets, and life insurance is a bit of a stretch but to each his own.

mellow_c
February 9, 2009, 02:14 AM
Im currently considering one just for home defense. I wanna get something that i can put on quickly and have JIC. Id much rather have one and not need it and need one and not have it. I can understand why alot of people dont have them, but why look down on a civilian for owning and using one.

We all talk and train to protect ourselvs with a weapon, or what ever it is, but why then do we ignore armor and look down on those who arnt in LE or military who own them.
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Thats a great point!

Smallgame2100
February 9, 2009, 02:16 AM
I voted "no, other" because I dont feel like I need to wear one, just to walk around campus or in my home. I'm sure I'll eventually wear one due to working my way to become a correctionals officer. But, never really thought about getting one to be honest. I felt like my shotgun was enough protection. :D

exprt9
February 9, 2009, 02:19 AM
I currently have one from the military and use it now for HD and SHTF situations. :)

Don P
February 9, 2009, 08:45 AM
For work and now no longer working at that job so it hangs in the closet. Not to be picky, it is bullet resistant not bullet proof. Mine is a fit to order so selling would be hard to do. It is rated to stop a 357mag. Just real glad I never had to see if it would stop a 357mag.

The Great Mahoo
February 9, 2009, 08:48 AM
I've never owned one and never plan on it. I don't work in a dangerous job, and don't really plan on doing it anytime soon. If something in the future changes, maybe, but I don't count on it.

JollyRoger
February 9, 2009, 09:51 AM
I have had several for work (LE) - they change them out every 5 years or so, as the manufacturers will warrant them only so long. That's a consideration for anyone buying a second-hand vest: they deteriorate over time from heat, sunlight, sweat and body oils, etc.

I have had mostly level III or IIIA(Spectra) vests, although I had a secondary "surveillance" vest that was a IIA. I can't imagine wearing one of these things on an off-duty basis. Some are "more comfortable" but all are uncomfortable. All mine have been full coverage vests, however. Maybe the contour vests or the t-shirt with inserts is more comfortable. You give up a lot of protection, however.

Corpsman
February 9, 2009, 10:14 AM
I had one given to me by a friend who works for the police department. It just sits in a closet though. Do the vests ever go out of date? I had a friend tell me that they "expired" somehow

Dustin0
February 9, 2009, 10:21 AM
I have an older one somewhere found it cleaning out a family members basement, now its in mine somewhere.

anythingshiny
February 9, 2009, 10:48 AM
a few years back, i took a series of pistol classes that progressed from how to draw...all the way up to a 'basic how to clear a room'.

for the 5th and 6th weekends the instructor recommended that if you had armor to wear it as there would be shooters behind and we would be moving and shooting dynamically. we ran thru many many times without weapons...many many times cold..and then finally hot.

I picked up a state patrol trade in IIa in an older carrier. Used it for class and put it under the bed for bumps in the night. Picked up a second one and keep one under the wifes side too...

As far as the folks who feel i should not be allowed to own it, i ask where you stand on gun control and why you post on this board? The EXACT same arguement can be applied to any weapon...YOU dont NEED one of those and WHY do you have a gun?? Only cops and soldiers need them right? the bad guys follow the rules right?...they wont come in my house and take my stuff...cuz thats against the law right?

i am far from the tin beanie wearing crew...but dont see an issue with armor under my bed for bumps in the night. do i advocate daily wear? naw...not for me...cops, security and so forth? absolutely if that were my job..id wear it.

Brit
February 9, 2009, 12:29 PM
Do one armed patrol a week, not a "Dangerous location?" so I now use it when it's cold.

Worked 6 months in a Diamond Store... Every day there!

Joe549

He lives in Canada! Sheep country!

One of my ATM Drivers went off the road, into a field (the Cops said he was real lucky he had on his vest!) buried the nose of his vehicle in a field, real thick fog. He still got a real good bruise from the steering column.

Joe549
February 9, 2009, 09:38 PM
Sheep country.....???

Brit
February 10, 2009, 05:19 AM
If you're not in a job that is "high risk" then you should not be allowed to own it.... But thats just my 2 cents and I'm certain many people will be flaming me for it.

not allowed to own it?

Not a flame, just the way Canada has the "We" don't think you need, ban it, all now say, after me "OK"

So much so that the sheep like attitude goes right through the Country.

Ban ownership of... Short barreled hand guns, hi cap magazines, converted from full to semi auto weapons (sorry they can not be called weapons)

They have had registration since 1936! It has never solved one crime!

Plus Snow sounds cold to me!

Double Naught Spy
February 10, 2009, 06:23 AM
If you're not in a job that is "high risk" then you should not be allowed to own it.... But thats just my 2 cents and I'm certain many people will be flaming me for it.

Won't flame you, but the comment itself is pretty naive. Ballistic vests do no harm in and of themselves. They pose no dangers. However, they offer protection. Why would you want to disallow safety gear?

While not in a high risk profession, the only place I have seen loaded guns pointed at me is at gun ranges, usually by careless, naive, and/or newbie shooters. A ballistic vest is just plain good safety gear like safety glasses.

David Armstrong
February 10, 2009, 12:56 PM
Got one from the LEO days, still put it on if I go out on patrol or warrant service. Other than that it sits in the closet.

protectedbyglock
February 10, 2009, 03:58 PM
Don't have one.
Couldn't justify it.
I'd like to have one, but I'd like to have a lot of things. Maybe one day.

BillCA
February 10, 2009, 09:39 PM
I wore one of the early models made from Kevlar 29 fabric, made by Safariland. It was about 1.5" thick, heavy and hot. But it let me concentrate on the job instead of worrying about a surprise knife or pistol every second.

Just make sure your vest does not contain Zylon which deteriorates up to 20% in 2 years. Those should have been recalled, regardless of manufacturer.

I don't currently have one. Nor do I think they are likely to be useful during a home intruder situation. Not unless you're sure you'll have the minute or so to put it on and set the straps in place.

It would be an advantage in terms of a civil unrest, if you live in or near gang turf or high crime zones or you've been targeted by someone.

A vest purchase hasn't been in my budget, but if a good deal comes along I'd certainly give it serious thought.

armsmaster270
February 18, 2009, 11:56 PM
I wore one as an officer when Second Chance first started up before they were a dept issue item. I still wear one when I go on Ride-Alongs with various agencies all over the country. Other than that not normally.

ATW525
February 20, 2009, 07:02 AM
Range use. Whenever you're in a place where people are actively handling loaded firearms, there's a chance for unforeseen flying lead. Quite frankly I've seen people at public ranges that I wouldn't trust with an unloaded squirt gun.

scottycoyote
February 20, 2009, 09:01 AM
i picked one up last year because i got such a good deal on it, but im seriously thinking of letting it go. Anybody interested in a pointblank vest that will defeat 7.62x54 and 7.62x39 let me know....i think these things sell for about 1200 on their website, 400 would get it from me