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Fuzzymaster
January 29, 2009, 12:50 PM
I have a black powder rifle, and I have looked at the pistols, but not to the point of looking to buy. I came into some extra cash and would like to get one. Even after reading Hawg Haggens experience! Are there any brands to strictly avoid, or is it a , get what you pay for thing.
I looked in Midway and saw about 100$ difference in Pietta and Uberti.
Thanks

Raider2000
January 29, 2009, 01:29 PM
Umm unless you are looking at the difference in SS & Blued they are about the same price.

Midway's price for a Uberti 1858 NMA Blued Steel .44 caliber (http://www.midwayusa.com/eproductpage.exe/showproduct?saleitemid=722781)

Midways price for a Pietta 1858 NMA Blued Steel .44 caliber (http://www.midwayusa.com/eproductpage.exe/showproduct?saleitemid=258917)

I couldn't say much about Euroarms but from what I've heard they are very good quality as well, but between Uberti & Pietta the quality is about the same between the two right now I have both makers & with the Uberti having a slightly smaller grip compared to the Pietta "in the 1858 NMA revolvers that is" there really isn't much of a difference in the two.

CraigC
January 29, 2009, 02:31 PM
They're both getting better all the time but I believe Uberti still has the edge in quality. My Pietta 1860's are good guns but they exhibit flaws I've never seen on a Uberti. Still an excellent value.

Hawg
January 29, 2009, 05:55 PM
Lessee 300 bucks for a Uberti or 190 for a Pietta(on sale). I think I'd go with Pietta. http://www.cabelas.com/cabelas/en/templates/product/standard-item.jsp?_DARGS=/cabelas/en/common/catalog/item-link.jsp_A&_DAV=MainCatcat602007-cat20817_TGP&id=0006195210082a&navCount=2&podId=0006195&parentId=cat20817&masterpathid=&navAction=push&catalogCode=9IS&rid=&parentType=index&indexId=cat20817&hasJS=true

Hoss Fly
January 29, 2009, 06:22 PM
I assume ya talkin new one so i aint even gonna say "Stay away from ASM":rolleyes:
IMO any modern shooter will do you fine ;)
I'm with Hawg on the Uberti/Pietta decission :cool:

Fingers McGee
January 30, 2009, 12:20 AM
I have numerous C&Bs from Pietta and Uberti. Have gotten good service from guns by each and have had problems with guns from each. I like the grip profile on the Ubertis better than the Piettas, although the GWII grip frame and grips work really well on a Pietta Navy.

You'll do alright with either. Buy what suits your fancy and pocket book.

Smokin_Gun
January 30, 2009, 12:45 AM
Nothin' wrong with ASM...

SG

kirpi97
January 30, 2009, 01:08 AM
Now I own every one of the cheap Italian models (ASM, Pietta) mentioned. I only meant that I own revolvers from each of the makers. Not every model ever made. My bad for not being more exact with my words. I will choose them better next time. As for my safe. I have two 14-gun safes, a small pistol safe, and six other revolvers that are not in a safe. And one in my truck. And I have not experienced a problem with them. Maybe I am too gentle with my revolvers. But I am not up to paying for an Uberti when a Pietta will do. Besides, for that extra hundred, I can get a lot of supplies.

But what I will say for Pietta is the size of the grip. I have long fingers and the other brand's grips are less comfortable. So I am replacing grips for comfort. I would have no hesitation with buying another Pietta.

Now if it is pistols Fuzzy is looking into pistols as opposed to revolvers, then a Lyman is the way to go if you want to pay the price. But I have found Traditions to work just fine.

My bottom line--buy what you can afford. Unless you are really into SASS or the re-enactments, you'll be happy with a Pietta. I know I am.

madcratebuilder
January 30, 2009, 10:56 AM
Nothin' wrong with ASM...

SG

That's my experience to. All the makers have good ones and bad ones, with the possible exception of Pedersoli.

mykeal
January 30, 2009, 12:04 PM
Pedersoli is not immune to quality escapes. They are perhaps a little more rare, but it won't take a long time to find a member of The Muzzleloader Forum who "will never have another #$%#@& Pedersoli as long as I live!".

Now, USFA might meet that lofty standard.

Fingers McGee
January 30, 2009, 01:54 PM
Quote smokin_gun:

Nothin' wrong with ASM...

SG

Quote madcratebuilder:

That's my experience to. All the makers have good ones and bad ones, with the possible exception of Pedersoli.


Other than ASM is out of business and new ones are only available on the secondary market & parts are not easily obtained.

Quote Kirpi97

Now if it is pistols Fuzzy is looking into pistols as opposed to revolvers, then a Lyman is the way to go if you want to pay the price. But I have found Traditions to work just fine.

I completely missed the fact that he has a BP rifle and is looking for a pistol - For single shot pistols, a Lyman or Pedersoli would be the way to go. Pedersoli's selection is varied enough that he could match style, caliber, and lock type to his rifle easily (unless it's one of them ugly modern in line types.) If he's on a budget, Traditions sells some decent single shot pistols also.

Quote kirpi97:

Now I own every one of the cheap Italian models (ASM, Pietta) mentioned.

Every one????? How big is your gun safe????

Hoss Fly
January 30, 2009, 03:37 PM
Every one????? How big is your gun safe????

Cant have them all:confused:
I got two :D:D

Deadguy
January 30, 2009, 04:05 PM
Both Pietta and Uberti make good stuff. Both (especially newer pistols) need a little work to shoot accurately too. Most have severly undersized chamberd compared to their groove depths. If you use a super soft pure lead ball, it just may obturate and shoot somewhat decently. If you use a heavier conical, that might not happen. That's the primary reason why people say that these guns shoot round balls much better than conicals. If you ream (or have someone else ream) the chambers to proper size, they'll shoot both round ball and conicals well. Also, if you plan on shooting a lot or competetively, such as CAS, you'll need Treso nipples. The Italian ones just aren't up to snuff.

Hawg
January 30, 2009, 07:01 PM
Well he did mention Uberti and Pietta. I disagree about the chamber size on most being undersized. None of mine are.

Hoss Fly
January 30, 2009, 07:32 PM
Well he did mention Uberti and Pietta. I disagree about the chamber size on most being undersized. None of mine are.
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Yeah- same here & i was gonna carry on about it but i figgered ***- Wud'nt do no gud :rolleyes:

vdannyxman
January 30, 2009, 07:34 PM
Uberti!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!, and Thompson center,i i have two 44s 1867 replica (Uberti) revolvers matching stainless steel . stamped allen arms of santa fe nm matching set . shoot fine . 58 caliber big boar thompson center in oak . fired about 100 rounds, love them all !!

Hawg
January 30, 2009, 07:36 PM
Uberti!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!, and Thompson center,i i have two 44s 1867 replica (Uberti) revolvers matching stainless steel

What the heck does an 1867 look like?:confused:

Hoss Fly
January 30, 2009, 07:46 PM
What the heck does an 1867 look like?
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Wat tha hell is one :confused:

Fingers McGee
January 30, 2009, 07:56 PM
i have two 44s 1867 replica (Uberti) revolvers matching stainless steel . stamped allen arms of santa fe nm matching set .

What models? 1860s? SS Allen firearms? Wanna sell em??

Fingers (Show Me MO smoke) McGee

vdannyxman
January 30, 2009, 07:58 PM
1858 remington geez had my numbers mixed up

Fingers McGee
January 30, 2009, 08:04 PM
ok,

Rats

FM

Blankwaffe
January 30, 2009, 11:04 PM
With my recent entry back into cap-n-ball revolvers after many years of not having one,my experience I guess could be considered very limited.
Of the three cap-n-ball revolvers Ive purchased in the last month,2 Uberti's and 1 Pietta,I have to say I personally feel the Uberti made replicas are of better quality from fit,finish and especially to overall function.The bores on the Uberti's are certainly much better finished as well as all the external surfaces to what I would expect to see on say a modern made S&W or Ruger.No heavy mill,grinder or broach marks etc..bores are bright and smooth on the Uberti's also.
Now like I said that is based solely on the three examples I personally owned recently as well as the many different models and brands I have eyeballed at dealers and shows over the last four months.
Personally the absolute best advice I could give on the subject is to go to a stocking dealer near you and personally inspect the model you want regardless of brand.That way you can inspect the revolver for issues before buying and cutout the possibility of damage during shipment,which I have experienced both issues recently buying online.
Regardless,I can personally tell you that the customer service from the folks importing/selling Pietta and Uberti are first rate,and they do stand behind thier products 100%.Both offer 1 year warranties.
So I'd guess it really comes down to the certain model you want.
HTH

madcratebuilder
January 31, 2009, 10:53 AM
Other than ASM is out of business and new ones are only available on the secondary market & parts are not easily obtained.

Are the ASM parts different from the Pietta or Uberti's? From the few dozen C&B's I have had apart it seems most of the manufacturers parts are very close to the same, with in similar models. May not be a drop in fit, but damn close. I do see a difference in quality and finish of parts.

Hawg
January 31, 2009, 03:21 PM
The bores on the Uberti's are certainly much better finished as well as all the external surfaces to what I would expect to see on say a modern made S&W or Ruger.No heavy mill,grinder or broach marks etc..bores are bright and smooth on the Uberti's also.

Show me where the fit and finish on this one isn't as good or better than a Uberti. Where's the heavy milling and grinding marks?
http://i7.photobucket.com/albums/y269/rebel727/Colt/Pietta1860.jpg

grymster2007
January 31, 2009, 03:37 PM
I have two Piettas, purchased new and there were issues with both, but still an overall good value.

long rider
January 31, 2009, 06:32 PM
IM with HH on that,i have had no probs with pietta,
as a matter of i have used pietta internal parts on
a asm with a bit of filing, and a ubertie cylinder in
a pietta 58, :D

Hoss Fly
February 1, 2009, 09:25 AM
Dang Hawg- Cant find all that mess on mine neither:confused::confused:

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v610/hossfly692000/sss.jpg

Hawg
February 1, 2009, 09:42 AM
That piece of antler still kills me. :D:D:D:D

Hoss Fly
February 1, 2009, 10:11 AM
That piece of antler still kills me

I know :rolleyes:
:D:D

noelf2
February 3, 2009, 08:39 PM
Yeah what's up with that antler?

I have 2 pietta 44 NMAs and both could have used a bit more polishing on the inside of the frame near the barrel / forcing cone. I wouldn't say it's grinder marks, but that's a pretty close description. They both function and shoot like a dream though, and they are smooth as can be everywhere else. I don't have a uberti to compare with.

FrontierGander
February 3, 2009, 08:45 PM
Cabelas sells the brass frame 1851 confederate navy .44cal. One came apart in my hand *some parts broke inside the frame area* the other replacment they sent me, the barrel kept coming off after every shot. Its a real pain in the butt to go searching for the wedge pin after each shot! Third replacement cabelas sent me, the hammer wouldnt pull back at all. They finally told me to pick something else out. I chose light weight camo outfit and turkey decoys :D I had enough of the pistols.

4V50 Gary
February 3, 2009, 09:09 PM
long rider - the way you mix and match parts makes you sound like Tuco in The Good, The Bad and The Ugly. :D

Smokin_Gun
February 4, 2009, 03:26 AM
I'm a Tuco kind a guy too ... 4V50 Gary you jus' started a Tuco gunsmithin' Club...

SG

http://i29.photobucket.com/albums/c277/Smokin_Gun/CrittersNpeople/Tuco_01.jpg

kirpi97
February 4, 2009, 12:49 PM
Where's the heavy milling and grinding marks? Now Hoss and Hawg, I'll take this real slow so that collectively all us do not miss anything. Sometimes the milling issues are hard to uncover by the untrained eye. And without my glasses, I have that untrained eye.:D:D:D

If we look real close at that little round thing. Just behind the thingy bobber and slightly to the left of the what-cha-ma-call-it, there lies the all important do-hicky. It masks the real problem of the poor milling. You see the thing that looks like a screw. Well it is a screw. And somewhere we have all been screwed once in our life.

I agree with you both. So I guess I am part of the H & H fan club. I have had no problem with my Pietta or even my AMS. Okay, the grips on the AMS weren't comfortable (I am working to change that). But as for function, I have yet to lose my wedge pin. The only thing I lose is my dignity as I shoot in the 9 circle. But its my vanity that keeps me from using my glasses.

My bad, not the revolver.

As for my membership in the Tuco Gunsmith Club, I will have to learn more from you all. I am too inexperienced.:confused:

Raider2000
February 4, 2009, 01:15 PM
With the work that I've done to my little Pietta 1858 NMA w/ 5.5" barrel I guess you can place me in the Tuco Gunsmithing School too & as far as milling marks on any of my Pietta's they are either inside the frame where I would agree could have been touched up better but not horrible but on the outside only the ones that I have put on are there but I'm working on that. :rolleyes:

Blankwaffe
February 10, 2009, 09:13 PM
Hey Hawg,
Guess I will have to eat a little crow here.Gota Pietta 1858 Remington today.Absolute work of art....perfect fit,finish and timing.Could not ask for a better looking revolver.
My 1860 Army must have been a lemon or real old inventory because its not even close to the quality of this revolver.
So I stand corrected....

Hawg
February 11, 2009, 05:07 AM
This one was made in 2000. I bought it used is why it has a drag mark. Doesn't have one now.:D Only issue I have with it is the fat grips.

http://i7.photobucket.com/albums/y269/rebel727/Remingtons/remmy.jpg

Blankwaffe
February 11, 2009, 01:48 PM
Ive never really cared for the 1858 NM Rem...just never caught my eye until recently.Once I got my paws on one and eye balled it I really appreciate the design,feel and function.Very simple to maintain to say the least.
I agree about the grips.The ones that came on mine were way oversized.I started fitting them to the frame/backstrap and reducing the size overall last night.They already feel better.
Loaded up on spares from Cabela's today.Man thay have good prices on cylinders and parts kits.