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gollbladder13
January 26, 2009, 09:48 PM
This is kind of based off of reading an earlier thread, but do you carry open or concealed?

Being from WI, it doesn't matter since we can't CC here anyways, but if it ever passes or if I'm in a state that allows it, I'd like to know what I'm getting into either way.

Erik
January 26, 2009, 09:53 PM
I have the option to carry either way and almost always opt for doing so concealed.

mnhntr
January 26, 2009, 09:55 PM
concealed is the better option IMO due to the element of suprise. unless the majority of citizens open carried it would be better to go concealed.

treg
January 26, 2009, 10:13 PM
When roaming my place or the woods I usually open carry. The rest of the time it's concealed.

Either way is legal.

NightSleeper
January 26, 2009, 10:15 PM
I'm from WI too, but if ever given a choice, I'd probably go with concealed. Some people would just be scared of you if you openly carried. Although I agree with an earlier post, if most people did carry open, so would I. I figure most criminals wouldn't consider someone openly carrying an ideal target and would leave me alone.

Brian Pfleuger
January 26, 2009, 10:15 PM
In NY, especially my county, we have no choice- concealed. We were all told in our county required class,in no uncertain terms, that if some one in the public sees our gun and calls the police then we WILL lose our permit. They claim it has happened before.

dabigguns357
January 26, 2009, 10:23 PM
I have a related question,Just say that our c/c right do get taken away.What then would we do?I have been thinking about it lately and i think if my rights were taken i would say with out a pause that i would open carry.

hoytinak
January 26, 2009, 10:28 PM
I have a related question,Just say that our c/c right do get taken away.What then would we do?I have been thinking about it lately and i think if my rights were taken i would say with out a pause that i would open carry.

I know many older people that have been concealing long before conceal carry permits were around and continue to do so even without a permit. Some have gotten a permit just to "be legal" as they put it. If they took away the carry permits, I'd proly do what they've been doing for years and carry concealed anyways.

I'm not against open carry (I respect everyone's right to do so and think we should have the option), it's just not really for me. I have carried open when I was stationed in NC but that was only up in the mountains when 4x4ing.

Shadi Khalil
January 26, 2009, 10:38 PM
I never open carry in public. My girlfriend tried to get me to do it this weekend but I wussed out.

Rescue2
January 26, 2009, 11:08 PM
In a civilized situation (urban/suburban environment), open carry scares the Nervous Nellie's...

Poorly executed concealed carry is equally scary (or more so) to them.

A "gat" shoved into a waistband, and not covered by the obligatory wife beater t-shirt is the worst of all of them (other than a guy decked out in full camo with a shoulder slung AR and a duty belt full of other destructive crap)...

All of the above invite the curiosity of your local LEO...

Carrying properly and effictively concealed gives you an outward appearance of being just like everybody else, and hence, not a threat to their personal definition of "normalcy".

Sixer
January 27, 2009, 12:21 AM
Concealed... by the time you see it, it's already too late :)

Keltyke
January 27, 2009, 07:50 AM
No open carry here in SC, so I wear concealed. Given the choice, I'd go open - it's just a LOT easier and more comfortable.

NC is supposed to be open carry - BUT...it's against the law to wear a weapon "to the terror of the people". What that means is, if someone is frightened by the sight of your weapon, you can be arrested. Also, I don't think businesses in NC have to display signs against carry, open or otherwise. A good "Catch-22" situation.

The Great Mahoo
January 27, 2009, 09:03 AM
Open carry is legal here in PA, but I went for the CC license to be on the safe side of the law, which is downright baffling at the thought process. But I digress...

I generally carry concealed, but with an increasingly-loose attitude towards it. I used to worry a lot about people being able to see that I had a gun on me, making sure that it was well concealed and would take some time here and there (in private) to ensure that it was still hidden.

Nowadays, I am much less concerned with it. Rather than be sure its tucked under a shirt, worrying about hiding the clips from my IWB holster, I just cover an IWB or even OWB holster with a long shirt or jacket and get on with my day. If someone happens to see my firearm, I don't really care. Legally, I am not in the wrong, so long as I am not brandishing. If it prints or flashes, I make a casual adjustment (if I even notice) and move on.

I got tired of being so concerned with it that I would wonder if I should even 'carry it to xxxxx' or such, so I decided that I would rather keep it close just in case than worry about what other people thought.

I've only been carrying for about 2 or 3 years, and I don't even carry every day at this point. (I am currently waiting on a new tuckable-iwb holster so I can carry at work, so that should solve that.) When I think back on how I was just a short time ago, I can't help but chuckle. I could come across 50 people a day who are also carrying and not even know it; nor do they know that I am.


That all said, I nearly always open-carry at the outdoor range here, and when hunting, which I don't really do at all.

12GaugeShuggoth
January 27, 2009, 09:12 AM
I voted concealed, but would like to note that I spend a lot of time open carrying.....just not out in public. Around the house or on the farm, I see no need to conceal so I just strap on and go about the usual business. I could carry either way legally in public, but choose to carry concealed.

KLRANGL
January 27, 2009, 09:17 AM
I never open carry in public. My girlfriend tried to get me to do it this weekend but I wussed out.
Man, what a cool girlfriend :P

I find that open carrying can be better under some circumstances. For example, open carrying alone is a bit awkward, especially in the Peoples Republic of Northern Virginia (which I do on many occasions). But in Virginia, every time I go to a restaurant, I have to open carry it. Now I can do this no problem with my IWB holster, since a quick tuck in of your shirt and you're good to go. But with it exposed like that, and with zero retention on the holster, I find it very very uncomfortable when people walk close behind me. Therefore, when I go to restaurants, I usually run an OWB Blackhawk Serpa, and leave my leather jacket over it where it is mostly concealed. The Serpa is probably the greatest holster made, with its active retention, quick draw, and excellent comfort factor.
In the summer, a quick trip to the Route 7 Starbucks and you might see me in cargo shorts, flip flops, beach shirt, and Serpa/USPc combo :cool:

That said, I much prefer concealed, and would love the new bill removing the restriction on CC in ABC certified locations to pass

OuTcAsT
January 27, 2009, 01:50 PM
I voted "Depends" Because IMHO you should be able to carry in any manner you see fit as long as you are legally able to do so. I carry both open and concealed, just depends on my mood, attire, and destination.

jfrey123
January 27, 2009, 06:38 PM
I never open carry in public. My girlfriend tried to get me to do it this weekend but I wussed out.


That's actually a pretty cool situation. I conceal, but have been wanting to try to OC. Biggest thing stopping me is that the GF is with me all the time and I don't want her to get involved in a citizen or LE encounter over said OC... One day that she's not around though, if she goes shopping with the girls or something, I think I've finally worked myself up to it.


To the OP question: concealed in town or hiking well traveled trails, open carrying during 4x4 trips or camping...

tony pasley
January 27, 2009, 08:42 PM
I usually carry concealed but there are times when I don't put my cover on just to run in and out, or when meeting friends on the way to the range, so both.

Crankylove
January 28, 2009, 12:17 AM
Concealed. Open carry of a loaded weapon in Utah is illegal (you can carry an unloaded firearm openly though, for what good that does you), but even if it wasn't, I would still carry concealed. If I am carrying, it is no bodies business but my own. Some would say open carry may make a potiential attacker thick twice, but I prefer to keep my weapon a secret, and not have to deal people freaking out at the sight of my pistol, or dealing with police after "man with a gun" calls.

Nnobby45
January 28, 2009, 12:57 AM
If you open carry, you'll deter most would be assailants, but give the worst of them the tactical advantage.

If you like to blend in, and not call attention to yourself, then you don't need me to point out which method accomplishes that.

Some must open carry. They have no options. Some are more interested in letting everyone know that they're entitled to excercise their right. They can't wait to be approached by mall security, and then afterwards, write a post on a forum thread somewhere. Some open carry when driving, or in rural areas. That's fine.

This subject has been argued to death. And will be again until the thread is locked. So I'll take the bait:D, say what I have to say, and try to comply with the forum rules.:cool:

KnightZero
January 28, 2009, 11:24 AM
OC and CC are both legal in my state - CC requires you to have a LTCF (License to carry firearms), and any type of vehicle carry in the passenger compartment requires a LTCF. I have my license, and I conceal during most of the week for work. I'm in and out of customer sites a lot, and I prefer not to spook my clients. On the weekends, I carry as I feel is suited for the occasion - sometimes loosely concealing my PT140, sometimes strapping my XD40 on my hip with no cover whatsoever. I tend to avoid OCing all the time, but I will OC to places that I plan to frequent in the future. I've made a few friends, sparked a few conversations, spoken with the occasional LEO, and had the chance to educate a few night shift convenience store clerks about their right to protect themselves in this state. I've never had a negative encounter while open carrying, but then again I don't do it to make a statement. Its more for comfort than anything else. Plus, once my regular store clerks have seen my weapon, and had the chance to ask me about it, I won't have to worry about them calling 911 if I print on a bad day.

I've got no reason to show it off and no reason to hide it. Its just there.

Creature
January 28, 2009, 11:39 AM
Even here where OC is legal, I choose to carry concealed.

mrt949
January 28, 2009, 05:08 PM
C C only way in fl. element of suprise:cool:

NavyLT
January 30, 2009, 11:15 AM
Just say that our c/c right do get taken away.

It already has been taken away. It is, in most states by license only. Some states may issue.

cbgixxer
January 30, 2009, 12:35 PM
Keltyke

Yeah I have seen quite a few folks around here open carry, especially when out riding in the mountains.

Personally I'm still waiting for my CCP, so I really don't carry on me unless I'm open in the woods on legal land to do so. Although my bud who teaches the CCP class said he had never seen that "terror" law optioned, you never know if someone's going to throw a fit that you have a sidearm on you...

cschwanz
January 30, 2009, 09:48 PM
concealed.

its nobody's business but mine to know if i am carrying a gun or not.

Smallgame2100
January 30, 2009, 09:49 PM
I dont carry, but when I do it'll be concealed

wjh2657
February 3, 2009, 12:45 AM
Here in Tennessee I can carry either way. I am the Gray Man. Always concealed.

rsgraebert
February 4, 2009, 02:44 PM
In Ohio, we have the option to choose. You don't often see folks open carrying, but some do and I've done it myself without getting more than the occasional double take from the "nervous nellies". More often than not though, discretion prevails and it's kept well hidden.

On a side note, can anyone recommend a good OWB holster for a P3AT? I'm dying to OC this thing.

The Great Mahoo
February 4, 2009, 04:10 PM
On a side note, can anyone recommend a good OWB holster for a P3AT? I'm dying to OC this thing.

K&D (http://kdholsters.com/owb-defend.php) You could try the Mini-Defender from K&D. I've been waiting a long time for my new holster from them, but I like their stuff.

elrod
February 4, 2009, 06:10 PM
In a civilized situation (urban/suburban environment)

Now, there's an oxymoron, if I ever heard one!:D:D:D

Stiofan
February 4, 2009, 06:37 PM
I CC in town and on the trail. If I go deep enough on the trail where I need my .41 Mag for bigger critters, I'll open carry.

Information is power. I prefer around town not to give extra information to others whether I am carrying or not.

P5 Guy
February 4, 2009, 10:26 PM
Only because that is the only legal way off my property. I'd rather not worry about being covered all the time in public. Open carry should be the norm in my opinion.

scorpion_tyr
February 4, 2009, 11:16 PM
It depends. If I'm in out in public it's concealed, always. No open carry here in TX, but even if we could and the times I've been in states where I could I still don't.

If I'm on my property, in my house, out in the driveway, etc. It's open carry. I personally feel that the best place for my firearm when I'm in the house is on my side. It's the easiest to get to and I don't have to worry about any of the kids that live with me getting it.

JayT.40
February 7, 2009, 02:27 PM
It just kinda makes sense to me to concealed carry if at all possible in public. I have some friends that would practically freak out if they saw a gun in public (especially on my hip :D ), and secondly, if someone comes in the store I'm in, intending to rob the place, him seeing the gun might just make me the first target of elimination. Count on him not asking politely for the gun. ;)

golfnutrlv
February 7, 2009, 02:36 PM
I live in WA, which is technically an open carry state. The law system as it is is not terribly clear about the standard, and open carry just brings up too many questions in my area.

Additionally, concealed carry gives you a tactical advantage, in that only you know it is there until the SHTF.

Better to be the phantom armed citizen. The goal of course is to protect your life, not make yourself a target by open carrying. IMO.

BTW: I support open carry rights, but I think it is not always the smartest play.

Kline605
February 7, 2009, 02:59 PM
Concealed most of the time, but have carried open when returning from a range or training.

Para Bellum
February 7, 2009, 04:06 PM
The element of surprise.
I'd rather look like a lamb and fight like a wolf than the other way round...

Glenn E. Meyer
February 8, 2009, 06:36 PM
I was thinking about this aspect. If you carry in an urban setting, have you gotten training in handgun retention and associated H2H techinques? Police do as they have significant number of incidents where they are shot with their own gun.

The Great Mahoo
February 9, 2009, 08:52 AM
I was thinking about this aspect. If you carry in an urban setting, have you gotten training in handgun retention and associated H2H techinques? Police do as they have significant number of incidents where they are shot with their own gun.

Probably not as much as I should, being a responsible gun owner. Although I do find that proper gear does help prevent someone else from nabbing your gun a fair bit.

I'm from a mostly suburban area though, not lost in the crowded streets of a metropolis, so we usually get a bit of space between each other.

Singlesix1954
February 9, 2009, 09:26 AM
Lately we had cc permits added to our lives. The myth was that our state led folks to belive they were giving us more rights. Truth is they took our right to cc away with the option to buy it back. That said it is and has always been ok to carry open anywhere in the state. Very few oc often. I do when hunting, but not to Wally world or Pizza Hut etc. CC is almost a need to keep others around you from thinking you are nuts. Sort of a social stigma. For me I will get my permit more to protect me from the gray area of haveing guns in autos than self protection from badguys in rual NE. The politics have turned cc into a way for our state to charge us for one more thing. The big loosers here may prove to be batterd wives who don't have the guts to leave the kreep because that little pistol in the purse is a ticket to jail. It's a proven fact that waveing a restraining order at a mean creaton doesn't get the same respect as holding a gun and telling him to leave you alone. Now that girl has to come up with $100 and wait for a date for a course to protect herself.

freakshow10mm
February 9, 2009, 10:20 AM
The element of surprise is never taught as a defensive action, always offensive. I know of no army or police force that trains to keep their arms concealed to have the advantage of surprise should they be attacked. They wear them openly.

I open carry more than I conceal. I only conceal at my other job because the boss wants me to. If I'm not at my other job, I'm open carrying. It's more comfortable and quicker to access if need be. No shirt or jacket to fling out of the way or lift. In MI, we have preemption that makes it illegal for local governments to pass or enforce laws restricting the carrying of arms. Every time someone gets arrested for lawfully open carrying, the city/police force gets taken to the cleaners.

OP, I know what you mean. I'm a WI native. Born in Oshkosh, lived in Milwaukee (84th and Good Hope; 91-95), most recently from Green Bay. I moved up here 4 years ago to get away from Doyle. Good luck with that.:)

NavyLT
February 9, 2009, 04:18 PM
The element of surprise is never taught as a defensive action, always offensive. I know of no army or police force that trains to keep their arms concealed to have the advantage of surprise should they be attacked. They wear them openly.

+1 I never could understand the element of surprise myth either. I suppose if your intention is to have a better chance at shooting a BG, then the element of surprise would make sense. But if your intention is to keep from being a target of a BG in the first place, visible detterence makes much more sense.

supergas452M
February 9, 2009, 04:43 PM
I usually run an OWB Blackhawk Serpa, and leave my leather jacket over it where it is mostly concealed. The Serpa is probably the greatest holster made, with its active retention, quick draw, and excellent comfort factor.





BlackHawk Serpa is the greatest holster ever????:confused::barf::eek:

Maybe you better read this!!

http://www.warriortalk.com/showthread.php?t=45333


And this!!

http://www.warriortalk.com/showthread.php?t=49192

badlander
February 9, 2009, 06:41 PM
I carry concealed because open carry is illegal in Florida. I would open carry if it was legal. I am one of those older guys mentioned that carried concealed before it was legal. I always thought it better to get caught by police with it than some bad guys without it.
If you dress nice while open carrying most people will just think you are A cop.If you dress like A bum It will probably scare them.

chemgirlie
February 9, 2009, 09:01 PM
Because I live in WI, I can't carry. If I could it would be concealed.

gollbladder13
February 9, 2009, 09:11 PM
Yeah, I'm in WI too... what area? Know any good ranges?

chemgirlie
February 10, 2009, 08:51 PM
I'm in the Madison area. I usually go to the Shooter Shop (near Milwaukee).

KLRANGL
February 10, 2009, 09:27 PM
BlackHawk Serpa is the greatest holster ever????

Maybe you better read this!!

http://www.warriortalk.com/showthread.php?t=45333


And this!!

http://www.warriortalk.com/showthread.php?t=49192

As someone who can admit that he is wrong, I very well may be wrong here... I say maybe because I take everyone's opinion with a grain of salt, especially ones I don't know. As I have many friends who own and swear by Serpas (as well as a cop buddy), I am a bit skeptical, but rest assured I will definitely look into this much more. Thank you for showing me this... It has definitely opened my eyes...