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Murphy2000
January 7, 2009, 02:23 PM
I recently aquired a 1858 Remington brass framed revolver.

I've done a lot of searching online for information and the only thing I have found was on this forum.

The gun is in like new condition and can anyone give me a lead to where/how to find out the value of this gun?

Thanks,

Murphy

Fingers McGee
January 7, 2009, 05:18 PM
2007 Blue Book of Modern Black Powder Arms lists the Pietta brass framed '58 Remington at $115 for one in 100% condition

arcticap
January 8, 2009, 03:33 AM
It might be worth a little more to someone who is fond of older, less common Italian replicas. But on the other hand, some potential buyers could also be concerned about which replacement parts can be used to fix it if needed.
So the only way to really determine the value is to list it on a gun auction site like Gunbroker and see how much money it will fetch.
Are you just curious about the value or are you thinking about selling it?

Murphy2000
January 8, 2009, 09:59 AM
I had intentions of shooting it, then while looking for information about the DART brand, I found that it was supposed to be a collectable. That being the case, I'd much rather a collector have it for his collection than turn it into a 'shooter' grade gun while there are so many other choices I can pick from for that purpose.

Thanks for the suggestion about placing it up for sale on an auction site. It maybe the only way I found how what it's worth in the end.


Thanks for the reply....


Murphy

Hawg
January 8, 2009, 10:18 AM
Get hold of bprevolver. He can probably tell you more about it. I think he's got a couple. Might be interested in yours.

bprevolver
January 8, 2009, 10:36 AM
Dart was a brand name used by Excam, a Florida importer. They marketed replica percussion revolvers under both Dart and Excam, with Excam being the higher quality with steel frames for the most part. These are collectable because not too many have surfaced thus far on the used market. It is the markings on a revolver that determines its collectability since most replicas are from just a few Italian manufacturers. I would hold this one and get a more common revolver like Pietta to shoot. The Dart and Excam will appreciate in value as the number of collectors increases. I have only seen one steel framed Excam revolver come up for sale in 15yrs. Of course I bought it. It was an 1851 Army 3rd Model (We use "Army" as a designation for any .44cal. 1851 Navy type revolver since Colt never made a 1851 Navy in .44cal.) We have two Dart brass frame revolvers in our collection. All the models marketed by Excam/Dart are listed in our forthcoming book of 10yrs. Just can't find a stopping place to publish. More new information keeps popping up.

P.S. Check to see if your Remington is actually a brass framed "Beals" rather than a New Model Army. Are several barrel threads visable between the frame and front of cylinder? If not it is a Beals replica. Also the overall size of the revolver will feel smaller than the New Model Army.

rommer25
January 8, 2009, 09:18 PM
I brought this one off an auction for around $100.00. That was last Summer if I remember right. It is still very tight but has seen some use. I replaced the bolt by buying one from Euroarms. I had to hand grind it into shap to fit. Nothing was wrong with the old bolt, it just had the left side angled. If it is considered a collector, I guess I should put the old bolt back. TM.

Murphy2000
January 11, 2009, 11:37 PM
bprevolver,

I looked and it does have threads showing, so it isn't the Beals model. Thanks for the information and explaining the difference.


rommer25,

Thanks for the photos. I noticed you have one of the photos tagged as a .36 caliber? They made it on both calibers?


Thanks,

Murphy

Smokin_Gun
January 12, 2009, 02:56 AM
Shoot it Murph 15gr a BP won't hurt it a bit ... It's alrady been fired won't depreciate it non...take the grip off and look for a DGG stamp on the side of the grip frame, it would mean it's a Armi San Paolo(Old Euroarms). If the grip or size is physically a hair smaller it's a Beals style 1861 Rem. If it feels as big as your Pietta or New one it may be ASM or Pietta... If ya don't want it cause a parts, I got a Brass Colt Navy ASM here in .36. Pietta Colt in .44.
The D.A.R.T. is just an Importer's name Like HAWES of L.A. CA, EIG, FIE, Taylors, Traditions, Cabelas. But it would be an Old one early 1970's.

SG

rommer25
January 12, 2009, 09:13 PM
What caliber is yours. You are the only one else I have heard of that has one. Does anyone else know if they came in both 36 and 44?

Murphy2000
January 12, 2009, 10:24 PM
rommer25,

Mine is a .44 caliber, while I'm not all that well informed about BP revolvers, over the years that I have looked at them from time to time, I did know they're offered in both .36 & .44 Caliber.

I'm currently undecided about shooting this one if it's a collectable. While my meager firearm collection isn't that large, I pretty much only buy ones I fully intend to shoot :)

This one seems to have seen little use, if any from what I can tell. Just has the standard drag line around the cylinder, a few dings in the brass frame (nothing serious).

Murphy