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HAMMER1DOWN
December 12, 2008, 10:00 PM
I have heard from a couple of educated people that spotlighting is illegal in all 50 states??? I'm not sure about that but i do it quite frequently in the winter months for jack rabbits.. its just way to much fun who else here has heard of the legality and or does it.. I could care less if its illegal or not i have fun:)
Thanks,
Bones

hogdogs
December 12, 2008, 10:43 PM
Spotlight hunting for hogs is legal in some states IIRC possibly texas is one... But to just spotlight game with no gun may or may not be legal depending where it is at... No gun and light hunting is legal in florida with the one exception of coons with dogs. You are allowed to load one .22 rimfire or a .410 shell into a gun at a treed coon and light him up for the shot... Otherwise no light and gun use is allowed.

Brent

HAMMER1DOWN
December 12, 2008, 10:56 PM
Well see up here in the big sky country i use either a .22rf, my .17hmr, my AR-15(.223) or my 12 gauge and me and a buddy get into a truck and we take turns with the spotlight once one gets a rabbit then he gets the spot and tries to find one for the other to shoot. Lots and lots of fun

ActivShootr
December 12, 2008, 11:20 PM
I could care less if its illegal or not i have fun

:barf:

hogdogs
December 12, 2008, 11:22 PM
To be caught spotlight hunting in florida could cost you your ride, your weapons, your spotlight plus fines and court costs but tuffest is the fact it is a felony which strips your gun rights away...
Brent

hillbillyshooter
December 13, 2008, 01:06 AM
as far as i know coyotes are the only game here in WV that can be taken while using a spotlight, and this season is 6 months long. for yotes you can use no larger rifle than a .22 rimfire and shotgun with loads no larger than #4 shot. so far as deer, i know that it is illegal. obviously, for raccoon you can use flashlights.

Beretta16
December 13, 2008, 01:39 AM
dumbass

bswiv
December 13, 2008, 04:05 AM
You may not care if it's illegal but if you get caught you will.

And know this too............ In recent years a great number of states, yours is most likely one, have signed on to what is known as the "Wildlife Compact". In a nutshell what the Compact says and does is it binds the various state members in recording and honoring other member states recorded violations.

The effect this has on miscreants is that if you get caught and your hunting privaleges are revoked or curtailed in your home state other member states will not let you get a license either.

There are other provisions too but this is the major theme.

Go ahead and be a screwup. Do it in a open way. Flaunt it. Please get caught! Then either learn the law and follow it, or if you don't like the law work to get it changed.

We hunters have enough trouble with the PETA types without clowns who call themselves hunters making us all look bad.

And this just occured to me..............do you eat the rabbits? Bet not.......

lon371
December 13, 2008, 05:06 AM
It sounds like you are in tune with a couple boys out here. They got caught with 20 racks(not even big ones) They admitted they were all from spot lighting. They also said they only did it because it was fun, and new it was illegal. They even admited to using a .17hmr. One said he had plans for going to school to be a Game Warden. I am guessing that is not happening now.

Do yourself a favor and check the law. Also look up the punishment:eek:

By the way in Indiana, it is legal to spot light from a vehicle. BUT if you get caught with a weapon in the vehicle at the same time, YOU ARE IN DEEP DOO DOO.

Lonny

rem870hunter
December 13, 2008, 05:18 AM
illegal to spotlight for DEER here while in a vehicle or on foot. if you have in your possession any weapon capable of killing deer. regardless if the weapon is cased,uncased,loaded or unloaded. or even if it is locked in a compartment not accessable from the inside of the vehicle. so if i wanted to take a ride out in the boonies at night and look for deer. i can't take any weapons,guns or bows.

you can however use handheld lights here, while hunting on foot.

for coyote,fox,raccoon, and opossum hunting only.

with a special hunting permit (cost is $2.00) for coyote and fox,only with a shotgun loaded with nore more than 3 shells,10 and 12 ga only,using #4 fine-T size shot.

raccoon and possum,a shotgun loaded with no more than 3 shells loaded with no larger than #4 fine shot,.22 rimfire loaded with no more than 3 .22 shorts, and must hunt with hounds(dogs).

Daryl
December 13, 2008, 06:08 AM
Some folks aren't too bright.

They break the law, flaunt it, and even post it on the internet.

One tip to a game warden will get them busted, too. Do ya suppose anyone has sent a link to this thread to the law in Montana? Oh, I doubt they'd try to use this post (although they might). They'll just watch you until they see you doing it.

Here in Arizona, I know one game warden who likes to go sit high on a mountain at night with a spotting scope and binoc's. He watches for spotlighters in the lowlands, and has another warden down low that he guides in to the law breakers.

Of course, spotlighting isn't illegal here if you don't have any guns or weapons in the vehicle. They check them out though, and they bust a lot of slobs that way. I know he does, because he's been doing it for years, and if it didn't work then he'd be doing something else.

texfar
December 13, 2008, 07:40 AM
I came home from my lease near Del Rio and got home with a couple of big big coolers full of pork. It was about 0100. I then had to drive about 20 more miles after dumping the coolers at home to go for some chipped ice as I was just too tired to mess with them. Truck full of guns, ATV in the back. Blood all over the sides of my truck from dragged, pushed up hogs into the bed on lease. Got my ice and a Pepsi and headed back home. Texas Hill country kinda back roads. Noticed a vehicle following me most of the way from the ice house. Made a turn onto RR 32 and the lights came on. License and CCW permit taken. What did I do sir. Mr. texfar, do have any loaded weapons in the vehicle. Yes sir and gave location in vehicle, 4 handguns. Please step from the vehicle for our safety. No problem officer, what have I done. By then there were 3 Comal County sheriff vehicles coming down the hwy and I then noted that I was stopped by a game warden. There were reported shots on RR32, have you discharged a weapon recently. Ah, yes about 6 hours ago on my lease. Long and short of it, under the watchful eye of the sheriffs, they started going over the bed of the truck with a fine tooth come looking for deer fur, had me start unloading rifles from truck, about, 6 I think. I then started to get a bit short, but polite, and told the game warden that if he would follow me home, I would show him the hogs and we could all get some sleep. They agreed and We all went in convoy to my house, and when I sprung open the lid of the coolers, it was "Man that is some fine looking hog". Both officers were totally polite at all times and then explained that there were a lot of poaching/spotlighting reports on RR32 as of late and my vehicle fit the perfect profile, as explained above. Both thanked me for my cooperation and apologized for keep me up then gave me their cards in case I needed their services. Bottom line guys, as stated in other posts, you are not only spotlighting, in Texas, but poaching if on public road or land that ain't yours, and that my friend IS a felony in Texas now I believe. Bye Bye, CCW, Bye Bye all rights to firearms, hunting, range shooting.....all of it. I spot light on my own property almost every night when home on rotation for yotes and other critters,legally but NEVER game animals, . It ain't worth it. I really was not put out by the stop, other than being really tired and respect the job these guys do. I had done nothing wrong and it was yes sir, no sir politely to them for all requests. Got busted as a teen in the 60's for spotlighting rabbits, but that is another story and I learned from it. sorry about the long post but thought it might open up SOMEONE's eyes here.
Ken

alloy
December 13, 2008, 07:47 AM
wont this be an instant forfeit of any firearms in the vicinity? maybe on your own land clearing pests its ok, i dont know, but other than that...no comment on spotlighting.

around here they have occasionally set up fake game off the road so that nite hunters could stop, lite em up, and go to jail.

they have culled deer where i live late at night with lights but that was sanctioned.

texfar
December 13, 2008, 07:57 AM
Legal in Texas to spot non-game animals at night on your own property or lease where you are an agent of the land. Nice time for a hog round up as they love to rape, pillage and plunder the planted fields at night. Yotes are prime night time victims to my rifles when I can get them to come. We have a big problem with both above animals in and around the area where I live in Texas. Oh, with the exception of possum and yotes, I eat what I shoot. Never shoot rabbits as they do me, my property and livestock no harm. Try some coon stew sometime....Yum Yum. They are always trying to turn my chicken coop into a MacDonalds. Oh, the foxes are thicker than rabbits this year for what ever the reason and they ain't day time shy anymore and are going after free range chickens and such.

Art Eatman
December 13, 2008, 09:08 AM
It's not unwise, in Texas, to know the phone number of the local game warden and notify him if you're going varminting via spotlight. Or, call the sheriff's office and let them know the area you'll be working. (I'm mostly thinking of the more rural counties.)

Doesn't hurt to let nearby ranchers know, for that matter.

No point in "lighting up switchboards". :)

dragonfire
December 13, 2008, 09:22 AM
In MI theres certain times you can shine deer and such from a vehicle.But hunting from a vehicle is a big no no.Coyotes and other predators you can shine and hunt with lights and night vision just not from a vehicle.

JagFarlane
December 13, 2008, 11:50 AM
In NY it is legal to spotlight without a firearm in the vehicle. However the DEC has waged a war on poachers, and actively baits for poachers, then arrests them.
However, I am rather against spotlighting myself. Too many spotlighters that I've seen, do this without permission, driving slowly over highway speed roads, their attentions turned towards the side of the road, spotlighting private land. Its gotten so bad in the 'dacks that farmers post signs begging people to not spotlight their land, and some have gone so far to ban hunting on their land. This last part being a shame, because, as a general rule the farmers often encourage hunters to come on their land, and will even purchase tags to give to hunters for encouragement. However, these people have been destroying what used to be a great deal.

publius
December 13, 2008, 12:10 PM
Spotlighting, a felony.:eek: Did'nt know that. That's kind of extreme considering the very real possibility the GW can make a mistake on that one. I think they should charge you w/harassment of wildlife,trespassing,poaching,shooting from a public road,endangerment, fine for taking a deer according to it's B/C score, that will be a very big fine and they should take your lisence for a couple of seasons. They will probably be able to get the redneck for DUI too. What if one of the previous posters did not have the pig in his garage to show the GW. Say he had given it away. In Texas I don't know if it's legal to light pigs during deer season but I don't do it, too much gray area for confusion. I do spotlight them on occasion in the off season.

globemaster3
December 13, 2008, 12:23 PM
Hammer, you need to find out if its legal and follow the law or be prepared to meet the consequences. To blatently call out you don't care if its legal or not calls your ethics into serious question. Not saying anything rude here, just trying to show you the facts.

Had a similar incident to texfar on SR441 in Fl after a night of experiencing Brent's passion: hog dogging with currs and a pit. Kinda frustrating after a long night of running after dogs/hogs, but looking back, the Ranch Sherriff was polite and we did look like a bunch of ragamuffins all muddy, dressed in camo, at night, on a lonely road in the middle of nowhere with a plethora of weaponry. The situation was readily quelched when he couldn't find a spotlight.

In terms of LEOs baiting poachers, I've seen that too, west of my hometown with a deer decoy we nicknamed "Timex". I mentioned this story on another thread, but long story short, most of us knew where they liked to set up and a couple friends in high school went out there after a football game, snuck up on old Timex in the dark, and tackled it. The LEOs turned the spotlights on them and gave them a good scolding and sent them on their way to be picked up by the dropoff vehicle. Those LEOs must have busted a gut after they left, but every year they got a good number of poachers shooting at Timex.

texfar
December 13, 2008, 01:05 PM
publius, it is not the spot lighting that is the felony, it is the poaching. You light it up and kill it, if it isn't on your land, it is poaching.....that is the felony.

Art...totally agree. When I am on the lease, The land owner is notified and the ranch forman. They in turn notify the local law; and land owners as to who is there and when. My land owner is a retired Customs Agent (operator) and everyone who knows who is who. I also (very importand) have a document that says I am an "agent" for the land owner. So whatever call I make is in his name while on the property. Have caught three illegal poachers and disarmed them. What happens after that is not my concern. Have passed on a couple of lots of AR boys. More guns than me and by myself. Good advise Art.

HAMMER1DOWN
December 13, 2008, 01:09 PM
Well i do know on what property i am on and they are pests, and yes when i shoot a cottontail i do pick it up bring it home clean it up and make some stew, i will be calling a game warden that i know today to find out for sure he lives like 15 miles from me.. I don't see how it would be illegal here i don't shoot deer or coyotes just rabbits.. If i PO'd any one i am sorry
Thanks,
Bones

texfar
December 13, 2008, 01:13 PM
No problem with me HAMMER1DOWN. There aren't enough of them to shoot this year. Yotes and foxes have taken their toll I think. We love rabbit, just trying to let them make a come back after I kill off the killers.
Ken

Things were much more balanced when I was home full time.

HAMMER1DOWN
December 13, 2008, 01:18 PM
hell up where i live there are tons and tons of jack rabbits and cottontails...
after a good night of spotlighting we sometimes pick up the rabbits and set them up in a field to bait coyotes in with. most of the time we never just leave them anyway we throw them in the ranchers dump so that he can have a shot or two at coyotes that jump up when you get near..

texfar
December 13, 2008, 01:34 PM
We are invested with yotes and foxes which keep the numbers down. Can remember the day when they were by the hundreds, Love rabbit too, cottentails. Them ol jacks are like boot leather.
KEn

ken22250
December 13, 2008, 01:41 PM
in Pa, its leagel if you dont have firearms in you vehicle.
ken

cornbush
December 13, 2008, 01:41 PM
Regardless of legallity in your area, your comment doesn't do any of us any good. Hunters and shooters have enough of a fight on their hands without idiots like you advertising their disregard for the laws.

texfar
December 13, 2008, 01:47 PM
cornbush, to which idiots are you referring??? Just curious.
Ken

cornbush
December 13, 2008, 01:55 PM
The ones with total disregarg for the laws that give all of us a black eye.

cornbush
December 13, 2008, 01:57 PM
I have no problem with spotlighting, but to advertise that you dont care what the law says just throws another log on the fire for anti hunters and anti gun crowds.

texfar
December 13, 2008, 01:58 PM
Roger that and copied!!!!! Amen.
Ken

shortwave
December 13, 2008, 06:57 PM
Bones,if what you posted(don`t care if its illegal) is the way you feel, that puts you in the categoy of what is known as a slob hunter or poacher. Take your pick. Neither of which you should be proud to be:barf:. Hunting laws are in place to preserve animals and believe it or not pertain to you also. Don`t apologize to the hunters here for something you posted. Just hunt legal. It makes things better for us hunters that do care about the law. FYI it may be wise in the future for you to learn the laws where you hunt before doing something rather than after the fact. Hope you`re old and smart enough to learn the easy way(someone telling you) rather than the hard way.

Swampghost
December 13, 2008, 07:14 PM
If it's legal to shoot after dark where you are, you will still be liable for any damage caused to persons or property even if they are beyond your field of vision.

graniteob
December 13, 2008, 07:21 PM
Spotlighting animals to shoot them is unethical. It says a lot about you and what type hunter you are. Fair chase has no meaning to people like you. You kill because you can not because you should. You are the the type of hunter that makes me sick.

dipper
December 13, 2008, 07:24 PM
JUST the kind of guy I used to love to write up.
It was always fun to see the looks on their faces when they realized how much their "fun" cost them!!

texfar
December 13, 2008, 08:12 PM
graniteob, yo man were do you live? what is your property situation? Quiet a rash statement towards a lot of us here. Live with what you feel. I know what I do and what I will do. I am one of the most moral guys alive, but protect my own.
Ken

HAMMER1DOWN
December 13, 2008, 09:00 PM
Hey guys, Just got back from visiting the local fish and game guy and he told me that it is legal as long as i have permission to be on that property, and have a valid hunting license(taken hunters education) but he told me that if i was on someone elses property or shot something on their property that it is a big no no...
But i feel better that i know now that i was legal.. And to me spot lighting is just as ethical and just as shooting them in broad day light at night you only have so far to see which gives them a chance to escape, we don't chase them down at all just take a shot or two then move on.
Bones

hogdogs
December 13, 2008, 09:15 PM
I have to look at the costs but found out a nuisance night light and gun permit is now available for florida land owners...
Brent

nate45
December 13, 2008, 09:26 PM
Spotlighting animals to shoot them is unethical. It says a lot about you and what type hunter you are. Fair chase has no meaning to people like you. You kill because you can not because you should. You are the the type of hunter that makes me sick.

Unethical? Unfair?

Where exactly is this code of fairness and ethics written down at?

Something is either legal or it's not, your personal code of ethics and fairness means nothing to me.

I've also heard people claim that shooting game with hi-powered rifles wasn't 'fair'. lol Who ever said it was supposed to be. I realize that anthropomorphism is all to common these days, but come on accept reality, when man takes the field with a weapon, with the intent of killing game, it is never going to be 'fair'.

I've spotlighted varmints, rabbits, etc all legally. It all depends on the laws where you live. Ideas of 'fairness' and 'ethics' are highly subjective and only come into play on a personal level.

LateNightFlight
December 14, 2008, 12:03 AM
Where exactly is this code of fairness and ethics written down at?

The most widely accepted definition of "fair" chase was provided by the Boone and Crocket Club: “Fair chase is the ethical, sportsmanlike and lawful pursuit and taking of free ranging wild game animals in a manner that does not give the hunter an improper or unfair advantage over such animals.”

I've spotlighted varmints, rabbits, etc all legally.

If you visit the current poll at http://www.huntfairchase.com, you'll see that 96% of the participants believe, "that hunting ethics go well beyond whether an act is legal or illegal."

If you don't believe that it's unethical to shoot an animal effectively rendered blind by a spotlight, then where do you draw the line? From there, isn't it only a small step to assume it would be okay to hunt from a helicopter equipped with FLIR for spotting and a ground light for shooting? How different is this from cruising around in a truck with a spot light to shoot rabbits?

"The true hunter counts his achievement in proportion to the effort involved and the fairness of the sport." ~Saxton Pope~

hogdogs
December 14, 2008, 12:13 AM
LNF, For game animals I agree to what you post of "fair chase" ethics... But when it comes to vermin up to and including large animals like hogs... I am after one thing and one thing only... A kill... If a landowner paid for the chopper time I would hunt hogs from the sky... The only difference in me doing it is the state and fed gov is using taxpayer bucks to do it.
I have ridden and driven both, in vehicles at night both with and without a gun on pasture land to locate and shoot or even run over hogs... While I prefer to run dogs I will trap, shoot or otherwise dispatch any and all hogs for a landowner. If they pay me to rid the place of pigs I will do even more...
Brent

nate45
December 14, 2008, 12:16 AM
If you don't believe that it's unethical to shoot an animal effectively rendered blind by a spotlight, then where do you draw the line?

Do you believe that the bovine from whence your last cut of beef came from was killed in a fair and ethical manner?

Very little in life is 'fair,' is it fair when the lion kills the gazelle, when the hawk swoops down on the rabbit?

I'll agree that some game animals are killed for trophies in a less than sportsman like manner, but if I switch on a spotlight and kill a wild hog for a cookout, how is that less fair or ethical than the way hogs are killed at the slaughter house?

Oh by the way, I don't care how many online polls they do, ethics and fairness are still highly subjective.

graniteob
December 14, 2008, 12:29 AM
Why does spotlighting work? It works because you blind the animal for a second stopping it from running away. Let me see you run away when you are blind. It like shooting fish in a barrel. Nocturnal animals have eyes that collect more light than ours. When you overpower their eyes with a bright light it affects the numerous rods in their eye. This is what you use against them. Fair chase? I have more respect for any animal and myself to shoot something like that. It's true every man has his set of ethics and some are are lower than others. Hunting is about one thing and that is self control. You decide what standard you are going to hold yourself to. And even if it's legal some people could still see it is as unethical. I have hunted rabbits since I could walk. I have shot more rabbits than any one I know, close to a thousand. Every one I shot I ate. Both of my Grandfathers and my Dad had a deep love for small game hunting. They taught me that taking an animal no matter how small required showing the animal respect. Letting them suffer or shooting animals that are not going to be eaten I think is wrong. Spotlighting is right below that.

dipper
December 14, 2008, 12:41 AM
"But i feel better that i know now that i was legal."

Your Warden told you that you can shoot out of a truck??!!
From you previous posts, I got the impression you and your buddy were riding around in a truck and taking turns at shooting and spotting.
Did he tell you that you could shoot while on a state road too??

Somehow, I don't feel like what you have been doing is legal.

shortwave
December 14, 2008, 09:30 AM
Don`t think its a good idea to try to confuse the issue`s with the morality factor cause to be quite frank 'the judge you end up in front of could care less whats morally right to any of us'. The fact is the OP was doing this and stated he didn`t care whether it was legal or not. There`s no way you can justify that frame of mind morally or ethically. Again the hunting laws are in place to protect the animals and rights of people. Thats why they`re different from state to state. Just wish the fines for poaching and trespassing in this state would graduate to a felony with mandatory jailtime. IMO,The most sickening thing in this thread is the mindset of the OP. Its that kind of attitude that moral and ethical hunters can`t and should not try to defend. Again, hope OP re-evaluates his immoral and un-ethical thoughts when it comes to hunting legal before he`s sitting in front of a judge.

LateNightFlight
December 14, 2008, 02:09 PM
Do you believe that the bovine from whence your last cut of beef came from was killed in a fair and ethical manner?

Absolutely. I use a local Mennonite butcher that slaughters on site. They've been in a head gate before and think a vet is going to vaccinate them. They don't understand what's coming and never knew what hit them, essentially the same way I would prefer to always take game, in a perfect world.

is it fair when the lion kills the gazelle, when the hawk swoops down on the rabbit?

I’ll ask that you report all hawks and lions using spot lights, okay? ;) Hawks and lions don't have options or make decisions about what is ethical, and an ethical person doesn't derive standards or dismiss fairness based on what animals do. Our prisons are full of "animals" who didn't know the difference, and not one of them is a lion or a hawk.

Ethics and fairness are subjective. I wouldn’t fault hunters in a culture that only have clubs to hunt with, but I have options and wouldn’t want to drink from their well or beat women the way they do, either. That’s my cultural bias and I don’t think my choice not to do as they do is a bad thing just because it’s a “subjective” decision.

Most of these issues are defined by law. But what matters to many of us isn’t merely a question of what is legal, but what is right.

nate45
December 14, 2008, 02:56 PM
They've been in a head gate before and think a vet is going to vaccinate them.

OK I see, if you trick animals who are caged and trusting, because you have been feeding and caring for them, then you kill them it is moral and ethical. Gotcha, now I understand, also I'm sure the fact that you don't have to watch it, or do the actual killing helps assuage your 'moral' and 'ethical' sensibilities.


They don't understand what's coming and never knew what hit them

So an animal who has a spotlight turned on it, knows what is coming?
I bet they are terrorized and say 'oh no, the ruthless hunter is going to shoot us' :rolleyes:

Most of these issues are defined by law. But what matters to many of us isn’t merely a question of what is legal, but what is right.

You have for some reason justified in your own mind that, feeding, nurturing and providing medical care to animals, then killing them for their meat is 'right', fair and acceptable. I think that it is perfectly fine as well. Man used his superior brain power, ingenuity and technology to provide himself with meat.

That is exactly what man does when he uses a spotlight and a firearm to harvest meat.

Somehow you fail to see the difference.

texfar
December 14, 2008, 03:27 PM
Oh, man....gotta hit the rack and review this tomorrow......My location 2225. good night.
s/Ken

HAMMER1DOWN
December 14, 2008, 06:20 PM
By the way i am never on public roads we are either in fields or on roads that the farmer/rancher had made and we never shoot towards livestock or buildings, The whole idea of saying "i don't care if its legal or not" was just a statement i was at the time trying to find out if it was legal or not! I don't live like that nor do appreciate that you guys/gals think that just because i said one thing that didn't set right that i am immediately on the chopping block for being a poacher, unethical, A**hole...
I have never been arrested or even pulled over for any reason i am one who follows the laws and i disrespect those who don't.
So please lay off on the ethics of spotlighting or whether you think what i do on my spare time is wrong in your eyes.
Bones

MeekAndMild
December 14, 2008, 06:55 PM
I could care less if its illegal or not i have fun
i am one who follows the laws and i disrespect those who don't

OK so which is it really? Is this one of those pretending games that the big kids play? :confused:

HAMMER1DOWN
December 14, 2008, 07:19 PM
If you would have read the previous post you would have seen that i said that i was just saying "I don't care if it was legal or not". I said it being sarcastic like saying "i would be a millionare if i had a dime every time i heard that!" that is also a sarcastic remark. I follow the law just as much as anyone else. And i am getting sick of people taking pot shots at me.

shortwave
December 14, 2008, 07:47 PM
Bones, it was your responsibility(as an ethical hunter) to know whether it was legal or not to spotlight BEFORE doing it. According to your #1 post you didn`t know whether spotlighting was legal or not. Just yesterday @9:00 pm, according to your later post, you just got back from DNR finding out if what you are doing is legal. You take these "pot shots" as you will but please consider these "pot shots" as attempts from people here that are trying to help you. Want to give you an example: Two guys that live close to me were busted this year spotlighting deer. It cost them their truck,guns,hunting previliges for 5yrs. and $14,000 in fines. Hope some of these "pot shots" will make you learn your local hunting laws so you know whats legal(or not) beforehand. May be a good idea to review the penalties for breaking those laws too!

MeekAndMild
December 14, 2008, 09:26 PM
that is also a sarcastic remark Like we could tell from your tone of voice?:rolleyes:

siv
December 14, 2008, 10:46 PM
I've only ever used a spotlight to get rid of cotton tails that have overrun my garden.

LateNightFlight
December 14, 2008, 11:21 PM
...also I'm sure the fact that you don't have to watch it, or do the actual killing helps assuage your 'moral' and 'ethical' sensibilities.

Huh? I lived on a farm during my youth. I live on my own farm now. I've slaughtered livestock and been present when others slaughtered livestock. (Your psychic abilities suck; I'm not calling your 900 number any more.)

So an animal who has a spotlight turned on it, knows what is coming?
I bet they are terrorized and say 'oh no, the ruthless hunter is going to shoot us'

Seems like a weird extrapolation from context, but if you say so? :confused:

... Man used his superior brain power, ingenuity and technology to provide himself with meat.

That is exactly what man does when he uses a spotlight and a firearm to harvest meat.

Somehow you fail to see the difference.

Bwaaaaaaaa-hahahaha! I'm the one failing to make a distinction? Trust me; I know the difference between 'Hunting' with an ethical standard, farm production and slaughter, or for that matter, what an exterminator does. Hunting is the context from which Fair Chase emerged, and where I thought the discussion in a 'hunting' forum would go. Sometimes context is everything and most people get that. Some don't. <shrug>

This is about "harvesting meat?" Ooops! My bad.

nate45
December 15, 2008, 04:41 PM
Hunting is the context from which Fair Chase emerged, and where I thought the discussion in a 'hunting' forum would go. Sometimes context is everything and most people get that. Some don't.

Well, by all means lets keep the discussion limited to 'hunting' or at least your definition of it.

Trust me; I know the difference between 'Hunting' with an ethical standard, farm production and slaughter, or for that matter, what an exterminator does. Hunting is the context from which Fair Chase emerged, and where I thought the discussion in a 'hunting' forum would go.

The most widely accepted definition of "fair" chase was provided by the Boone and Crocket Club: “Fair chase is the ethical, sportsmanlike and lawful pursuit and taking of free ranging wild game animals in a manner that does not give the hunter an improper or unfair advantage over such animals.”


Well, according to my new club, the Lewis and Clark club, using high powered rifles and in fact any modern weapon to kill sacred free ranging game animals is highly unfair and unethical. You must use a flint lock muzzle loader or preferably a long bow to meet our definition of fairness and ethics. Furthermore taking sacred game animals as trophies, not just for meat, using a scoring system to rate them and judge them against other peoples kills is beyond repugnant and definitely proves moral and ethical inferiority.

If you don't follow our rules and use the excuse that high powered rifles and other modern weapons are legal where you live and trophy taking is a legitimate 'sport' and/or that you don't feel neither is unfair or unethical, well thats fine. However it clearly demonstrates that you have an inferior sense of morals, fairness, ethics and most of all respect for sacred game animals than we have.

I'm sure you think the above is ridiculous, I'm misconstruing the B&C ethics rule and I just don't understand what real fairness and true ethics are. Well, lets see...

“Fair chase is the ethical, sportsmanlike and lawful pursuit and taking of free ranging wild game animals in a manner that does not give the hunter an improper or unfair advantage over such animals.”

According to the Boone and Crocket Club definition of fair chase it says 'lawful' pursuit, so I could argue that spotlighting is legal where I live, you could counter that it says you must not have an improper or unfair advantage, OK fine, then I'll go back to my fictional Lewis and Clark club and say that modern high powered rifles give you an unfair advantage and trophy taking is wrong.

Now we can go on and on like this, but the truth is it is all highly subjective and your rules of fairness and ethics that you follow were written by a club that exists for and promotes trophy hunting. Last time I checked Daniel Boone and Davy Crocket didn't shoot game animals for the size of their rack or how high they scored on a points system.