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ZX10Aviator
December 10, 2008, 02:17 PM
anyone have one? hows it group?

j.chappell
December 10, 2008, 07:54 PM
Come on now someone has to have some experience with this rifle.

I too have been thinking of purchasing one for a walking varminter. I would like to hear feedback as too the accuracy of this rifle. I really am not too worried about fit, finish, stock, or trigger, just accuracy.

J.

ZX10Aviator
December 10, 2008, 07:56 PM
Yep! I have a Mini14, I figure it cant be as bad as that thing is.. Id LOVE to hear from someone with some 100yd and 200yd groups!

DZ416
December 10, 2008, 09:21 PM
I don't know a lot about the Savage 200 but I read a very interesting article by a Canadian who has built a match rifle on the 200. He designed a cartridge called the 6.5 Mystic. It is a .308 Win blown out and of course necked to .264. I like what he did and am going to use some of his ideas. I printed part of his article. You might find it doing a Google for 6.5 Mystic or this is the link on the bottom of the page. http://www.6mmbr.com/gunweek075.html My opinion of Savages is changing quite a bit. At one time I didn't want one at all but they have come a long way in the last several years and I am amazed at some of the things I have seen done with them. I would not hesitate to buy one now.

mkg
December 10, 2008, 09:28 PM
Here's a link to one of Mysticplayer's articles ...


http://www.longrangehunting.com/articles/long-range-rig.php

Mike

pbrktrt
December 10, 2008, 09:37 PM
the Stevens 200 is a Savage 110 without the accutrigger. they shoot right out of the box. you won't be disappointed. they aren't pretty but they are very accurate. if i hadn't found a deal on a barely used Vanguard i was looking very seriously at the Stevens & the Savage.

stormspotter
December 10, 2008, 10:27 PM
I owned one a while back and liked it very much. The only problem was with the double stack internal magazine. Sometimes the bullet tips would hang up when I chambered a round. (The newer single stack internal mags are supposed to have corredted this problem.

If I hadn't traded for a Tikka T3 Lite 223, I would probably have gotten another. The only other fault I had with the Stevens was the flimsy stock, too much forearm movement if pressure was applied. The Tikka's stock has little or no flex.

As for groups, the Stevens would shoot 65 gr thru 77 gr Sierra's into less than a inch at 100 yds. It would do the same with their 52 gr BTHP's but I mostly shot the heavier Sierras.

ZX10Aviator
December 11, 2008, 01:44 PM
Good info, Ill go check them out saturday if they have any left, seen they were on sale for only $269!

DZ416
December 12, 2008, 12:39 AM
At that price you could afford to put a better stock on it and still have a great buy.

lg_mouth
December 12, 2008, 12:13 PM
I had one in .243 and it was a great gun. I took OD green Krylon and worked the stock up some camo and it looked good. I kick myself on a regular basis for selling that gun. For that price, I would have bought it on the spot and smiled all the way out the door.

Lg_mouth

ZX10Aviator
December 12, 2008, 12:29 PM
awesome, Ill have to go buy one tomorrow..

Im looking at the .223 for varmits, but they sell a few different calibers for the same price up to 300winmag I believe

PBinWA
December 12, 2008, 12:47 PM
Is this one of the chain stores? Like Joe's, Sportsman's, or Bi-Mart?

That's a good price!

EDIT: Found it at Sportman's. Too bad there is a snow storm coming my way! Too far to drive today.

:(

ZX10Aviator
December 12, 2008, 01:01 PM
Yep! Snow or not Ill be there tomorrow! I hope it snows, less people out and about that way.

ZX10Aviator
December 12, 2008, 08:00 PM
It was a tease, they dont have the .223 in stock... sigh, they do have the 22-250 though, but I hate getting too many different calibers...

kc5gxc
December 12, 2008, 09:50 PM
I have the Stevens 200 in .223. Really like it. I am working up a load with it now. Shooting around 1" groups at 100 yards mostly. Have shot some at 1/2"
It's a 9" twist so I am using Winchester 64 grain power points. Just remounted the scope with low rings. Messing with the OAL and charge to see what it will do at it's best.
Have had no problems at all with it...chambers fine. It does not have an accutrigger. Did have to open up the stock area along the barrel to free float it. Got the plastic stock. It's lite and easy to carry. Think they are a great buy.
I think I'll keep it...ha ha.
Good luck
Pete

PBinWA
December 12, 2008, 10:42 PM
Sportsmen's in Vancouver had the .223 in stock this morning!

Sorry - I hate it when they advertise something they don't have. Big-5 does it all the time.

ZX10Aviator
December 13, 2008, 02:08 AM
I got bored and drove to burlington, I see why its that cheap, the stock looks like a cheap toy. The bolt felt a little cheezy, but if it works, it works. They said that sportsmans warehouse wont order guns in either, its whatever is on the shelf.. Id probably still consider the .223, but Id have to put a real stock on it. It was flimsy and I could move it by hand on the front section.

Tom2
December 13, 2008, 09:58 AM
Yep, alot of folks upgrade stocks on them, I suspect any wood savage stock would work on the Stevens as it is just a Savage design with a changed name. They had them here for 269 once, now they jumped over 300 but despite the stock, what you get is a very accurate rifle. Basic coyote gun or the like. You can nitpick the details, lot of postings have talked about changing or doing something with the economy stock, and maybe some fiddle with the trigger pull, but NO ONE ever says the .223 is anything but bang on super accurate. The stock is probably why it is 269 instead of 399. If you can live with it as a truck gun or something, you save alot of $$$

ZX10Aviator
December 13, 2008, 10:31 AM
Yeah, Im still interested in one if they ever get one in stock :rolleyes:

Ill find or make my own stock over that rubber thing it comes with. haha. Thanks for the info. I figure it must be the best bang for the buck. Only other gripe is the magazine is internal, which is fine, but no bottom drop, so you must cycle them out the top. Maybe that can be changed somehow?

stormspotter
December 13, 2008, 09:09 PM
Watch which Stevens you get, staggered (old style) or single-stack (new style) magazines do not use the same stocks.

a56x300
December 14, 2008, 06:37 PM
Ever consider a .243 instead of 223? It will shoot flatter then 223 or even .22-250 and have more punch when it getrs there. Also will do double duty as a deer gun. I've got a Savage that will shoot 1/2 MOA with 70 gr. Nosler BTs and is a great deer or varmint gun.


Pat

skinewmexico
December 14, 2008, 09:38 PM
Yes, and it shot 3/4 to 1" @ 100 with no work. Great walking gun. Then I but a B&C stock on it, and a 223AI varmint barrel. Still shoots great, no so good for walking anymore.

ZX10Aviator
December 14, 2008, 11:50 PM
I thought about a .243, but then I need another set of dies and brass, for another gun. Ill probably get a 7mag for a deer gun, and I already am setup for .223, so a bolt for varmints, as my mini14 is a sprayer.

ZX10Aviator
December 31, 2008, 02:27 PM
updating, I talked the store manager today, they said they could get one from another store into the place, so after hearing how great these are for the money, Ill have to get one.

Probably tinker with the stock a little, maybe epoxy some carbon fiber into the forarm part to stiffen it up, sand the flash and repaint it. should work well.

R.Childs
December 31, 2008, 03:51 PM
Get it, you won't be sorry. I worked up a load for one. Shot sub moa out of the box. It was a 22-250 and loved Sierra 52gr. bthp match bullets.

Got a friend who built a custom off of the same action. Had a barrel put on it in 22 Rayhill Rocket. It's a 243 casing necked down with a 35 degree shoulder. He's got a fast twist barrel to handle 80 grainers and we've done some shooting at 500 and 600 yards. He's also killed a couple of deer with it with. He says it has a lot of shock effect on deer.

McKinneyMike
January 3, 2009, 05:28 PM
"I got bored and drove to burlington, I see why its that cheap, the stock looks like a cheap toy. The bolt felt a little cheezy, but if it works, it works. They said that sportsmans warehouse wont order guns in either, its whatever is on the shelf.. Id probably still consider the .223, but Id have to put a real stock on it. It was flimsy and I could move it by hand on the front section."

1) Bolt felt cheezy: Compared to what? It is the exact same action as a standard Savage rifle, without the Accutrigger!

2) The stock looks like a toy: Picked up a sub $500.00 Remington lately? Its cheap for a reason. I picked up a Weatherby Vanguard the other day and could not believe the amount of play in the forearm of a stock that cost that much. If you want a better stock, buy a more expensive rifle ;)

I have seen some impressive Stevens 200 that were customized and shot with rifles costing 10X the cost.

I am a little tired of the Savage/Stevens bashing by people that do not know a thing about what makes a rifle shoot well or build quality. If you prefer Remington, Winchester, etc, buy them. They are great firearms. The Savage /Stevens are becoming extremely popular due to their value and their out of the box performance. It just seems that many people have a hard time accepting the facts about the changes that have been taking place at Savage/Stevens over the past 20 years.

mnhntr
January 3, 2009, 06:07 PM
one of the most accurate rifles in production. the stock is cheap but the rest of the rifle is first rate. free floated, good trigger, and button rifled. this rifle will out shoot most 800 dollar rifles. mine shoots sub moa groups all day long. most 5 rd groups are touching each other.

ZX10Aviator
January 3, 2009, 06:15 PM
Actually McKinney, I did handle all the .223's by other makers, this one felt the cheapest. That said, I have one coming and will be buying one as it sounds like a heck of a shooter. I look forward to it!

What loads are most accurate in this rifle? Hows it shoot 55grain? Or do I have to go heavier with the bullets? I reload my own.

McKinneyMike
January 3, 2009, 06:36 PM
I just purchased a Stevens 25-06 that will become the donor for my custom 25-06. I also just ordered a 26" Shilen SS varmint barrel and will be adding a Joel Russo custom laminated stock soon as I get the new SSG muzzle brake installed on the barreled action.

ZX10Aviator
January 3, 2009, 06:48 PM
Cool, love to see the build.. Id like to get one of these stevens in 7mm mag for deer.

HankC1
January 3, 2009, 08:08 PM
Dick's Sporting special order catalog also lists stevens 200. I order one past summer and the price was $269. Great rifle and the triggger can be modified by replacing the trigger spring with a thinner gauge spring wire (0.041"?) and get the trigger pull weight down to 2.5 lb. Dick's also has Savage 111 package gun with a cheap scope on sale at $319 from time to time. I don't know if 111 has Accu Trigger, if it has Accu trigger, it will be an excellent deal.

ZX10Aviator
January 7, 2009, 03:17 PM
Great news guys, just got a call my rifle is in, off to get it after work!

TO DO:
-trigger job.
-smooth and repaint stock, possibly exopy in some carbon fiber into for arm part to strengthen.

Any other idea's? I have the scope already, so Im very ready.

What grain bullets should I get? Ive been reloading 55gr for my mini14, will they be accurate in this? Or should I get some heavier bullets for long distance shooting.

ZX10Aviator
January 8, 2009, 12:56 AM
Ok, I got it! Scope is mounted up, cant wait to take it out shooting, amazing value for $269!

ZX10Aviator
January 11, 2009, 11:15 PM
Range Report!

I put a Nikon prostaf BDC scope on it (nice scope btw).

Pic

http://johnvh.smugmug.com/photos/451113722_CvCgr-M.jpg

Today, finally made it to the range to sight it in, using the 55grain FMJ's I use in the mini14 I got it in the ballpark.

I reload my own, I dont have a picture of the factory 55fmj target, but it was spraying them 3-4" groups at 100yards, I was getting bummed. So, switched to the reloads, IMR powder, 55gr FMJ's, here are those targets..

http://johnvh.smugmug.com/photos/453162304_svsVi-L.jpg

Dissapointed, so, I also had some 69grain HPBT noslers, lets see how they do, here they are with Varget powder.. The very top lone target just to try out the powder was varget with the 55fmj's, the other targets are with the 69gr HPBT's

http://johnvh.smugmug.com/photos/453162374_xhvSg-L.jpg

Better, but still not impressed with accuracy... I happened to load up some of the 69 grainers with IMR powder, for fun, here is that target..

http://johnvh.smugmug.com/photos/453162158_cik2c-L.jpg

It really liked that powder, and liked them going slower, the gun wasnt very loud, and very little kick, no chrono so I dont know what they are doing for speed exactly, but the first target you see the 3 shot group, that I can cover with a dime..

http://johnvh.smugmug.com/photos/453162348_CxRYR-L.jpg

Here is the other group

http://johnvh.smugmug.com/photos/453162407_CAAWL-M.jpg

SO, thats all the testing I got in today, I was really really wishing it would work better with the 55grainers as I have alot of them, I also with it liked the 69 grainers going faster. I dont know if just my gun is fussy or ? These are all done with a solid bench rest at 100yds.

Thanks for looking! All in all Im very happy with the above grouping out of around a $400 scoped rifle setup. If anyone else out there has any tips, tricks or other, Im all ears to getting this setup dialed in with other combinations.

Thank you!

ZX10Aviator
January 11, 2009, 11:16 PM
http://johnvh.smugmug.com/photos/453162626_5egH5-O.jpg

http://johnvh.smugmug.com/photos/453163579_nYQNy-O.jpg

Swampghost
January 11, 2009, 11:40 PM
After reading two American Rifleman articles I was about to jump on a Savage, think that I'll stick with my Rem. 700's for a while longer.

j.chappell
January 11, 2009, 11:57 PM
I wouldn’t be too worried about your velocity with the lighter loads; you should be near 2700fps in that 22" barrel with your 18.5gr loading. Your rifle comes with a 1 in 9" twist so it shouldn’t surprise you that it likes the 69's. You may want to switch powders and play around a little if you want to squeeze all you can from the 69’s. I would suggest trying some Berger and Nosler bullets in your new rig.

J.

ZX10Aviator
January 12, 2009, 01:14 AM
These are nosler bullets, I see I forgot to mention that part, sorry.

What powder is best for this bullet weight and this rifle?

Thank you!

ZX10Aviator
January 12, 2009, 01:09 PM
Id also love to hear from those that have this rifle, to what they are using and what they get for groups.

skinewmexico
January 14, 2009, 09:31 PM
Not bad considering it's still breaking in. Put a trigger in it, and it will get better.

ZX10Aviator
January 22, 2009, 09:09 PM
OK, went out today finally to play with the varget to see if I could get that stuff to shoot decent.. no super luck like the IMR 4198, I got it down to <3/4" groups, thats all it will do with the 69 grain nosler HPBT.. pics of targets at 100yards with a bench rest. Playing with the COL of the case..

Right to left 2.246, 2.265, 2.286 COL, not much difference, but maybe I didnt do large enough changes? Im new..

http://johnvh.smugmug.com/photos/459846477_BVpDY-XL-2.jpg

Here is with varget and 55FMJ's, right to left, 25gr, 26gr, 27gr of varget

http://johnvh.smugmug.com/photos/459846848_uFYAr-L.jpg

Im not a varget fan yet.. any idea's? I know the gun will shoot tight, but wont with this stuff.

Thanks!

ZX10Aviator
March 8, 2009, 10:00 PM
Ok, played with another load and IMR 4198 powder, this gun likes it best.. 52gr hpbt sierry with 22gr of imr 4198 = almost one hole, I sent one a tad off mark, and this is only 50yds, but still damn good for this setup in my opinion!

http://johnvh.smugmug.com/photos/487650667_a6KQ6-O.jpg

ndking1126
March 8, 2009, 10:22 PM
Aviator, great shooting. Looks like you might have found a winning combination.

Seems like about 3-5 months ago, one of our members wrote a nice long post about how he could get any bullet weight to shoot accurately out of his rifle. All you had to do was adjust the velocity of which the bullet was being sent down the barrel. The longer (heavier) the bullet, the less speed it needs to stabilize in a specific rate of twist. Or maybe I got that backwards.

Don't know how much you know about reloading, but it was all very new to me (as I'm not a hand loader). Maybe it would be helpful.

ZX10Aviator
March 8, 2009, 10:45 PM
Im somewhat new at reloading yet, but I know these 52gr bullets are going fast, 3200-3300fps almost if I remember right? And my 69grainers are only doing 2750fps or so.. Im still learning

I know different brands of bullet, and type of bullets make a difference also.. i get a bullet weight and type and work the whole loading range from slow to fast to see if it will print, some dont, sometimes a different powder makes a huge difference with the same bullet.. Its basically just figuring out the right combination, thats what it is.