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Redmaster
December 5, 2008, 05:34 PM
I shot 2 deer a week ago with my 30-06 and the rounds I used were Winchester Powerpoints 150gr. the first deer was a doe at 250yds and i hit her square in the shoulder penetrating the bone and exiting the other side for a double lung shot. The problem I had was that she ran about 40yds and left zero blood. I found her 40yds away and the exit wound was the same size as the exit wound. Later that afternoon I shot an 8 point at 40yds throught the shoulder again and had the same result with a tiny exit wound.

Have any of y'all shot this ammo before? I have only used it one 1 hunt a few years ago and blasted a doe leaving an enormous exit wound. I will never use these powerpoints again. Has anyone every had the same experience?

armsmaster270
December 5, 2008, 05:43 PM
Never used them When I hunted with my grandfather he used Remington 150gr bronze points, always shot in the neck and they dropped where hit.

VaFisher
December 5, 2008, 06:28 PM
I have a freind that was having the same problems until I turned him onto the Hornady SST bullets and what a difference, all the deer now are dropping in their tracks.

Kreyzhorse
December 5, 2008, 08:18 PM
I'm not sure it's all ammo related, but I swear by Winchester Ballastic Tips. Here is the data on my last three deer and my buddy's buck from this year.

Buck: .308 w/ 150 gr Remington Corelokt @ 40 yards - lung shot, ran about 100 yards leaving a nice blood trail. Bits of lung were in a tree where the buck was shot on the exit wound side.

Doe: 45-70 gov't w/ 300 gr Winchester jacketed hollow points @ 50 yards - lung shot, ran about 100 yards up hill leaving a nice blood trail on both entrance and exit side of wound.

Buck: 7mm Rem Mag w/ 150 gr Winchester Silver Ballastic Tips @ 53 yards - lung shot, took one leap and expired within 10 yards of shot. Zero blood where the buck was shot but blood where the buck expired.

Buck (my buddy's): 30.06 w/ 150gr Winchester Silver Ballastic Tips @ 65yards - lung / shoulder shot, buck dropped virtually where it stood. Blood where the buck has hit on both the entrance and exit side of wound.

As a side note, I've shot several antelope using Remington Corelokts (and two antelope with Ballastic Tips) in both my .308 and 7mm Rem Mag and they have all dropped where they stood. Range was between 50 to 300 yards.

Swampghost
December 5, 2008, 09:13 PM
Most deer tend to travel a little when hit in 'the boiler room' with a normal 'deer rifle' which is why I try for precision shooting and head shots.

A 40 yd. walk I'd consider about average for a 250 yd. shot and I'm going for the heart/lung at that range. The small hole = more meat to eat.

IMHO the 45/70 is a buffalo gun. I've shot 2 deer with my trapdoor an neither of the results made me proud. Kinda like trout fishing with deep-sea tackle. They definitely dropped where they were as 405 grs. literally took them off of their feet.

BIGR
December 6, 2008, 07:01 AM
Been years since I used any of those Winchester rounds. I can tell you that Sierra Game Kings and Federal Fusions will do a very nice job on deer.

elkman06
December 6, 2008, 11:08 AM
Red,
I would be willing to bet that you are experiencing the same issue as me w/ my Hornaday BTSP bullets. They are moving a little too fast at that short of range to open up. Under 100yds they just don't seem to mushroom much. That being said, 90% of my shooting is in the 150-300yd range and they work very well for me. I have shot my last 8 animals w/ them and at the longer ranges they tend to leave baseball sized holes on exit.
As much as I hate them(due to my typical ranges) a silvertip bullet might work better for you. I have found them to open up very rapidly as compared to other soft points.
I have found power points to work well at longer ranges.
elkman06

SKULLANDCROSSBONES65
December 6, 2008, 04:59 PM
G'day. First off, let me congratulate you on your hunt.
I've been reading a lot in the last week about projectile selection. This is an interesting result from this ammo. One of articles I've read is from " chuckhawks.com/standerd_bullets.htm ".

Have you measured your muzzle velocity with this ammo in your rifle?
Do you know the recommended velocity range for this projectile? (minimum & maximum)
the first deer was a doe at 250yds and i hit her square in the shoulder penetrating the bone and exiting the other side for a double lung shot.
What was the approximate size of the Doe? ( how heavy? )
Did the projectile smash a large bone or just graze/chip a bone?
Do you think that the projectile failed to 'mushroom'?
How did you measure the 250yds?

the exit wound was the same size as the exit wound

Might the exit wound only have been about 0.60" diameter? ( twice the size of the entry hole ).

she ran about 40yds and left zero blood.

Do you expect all game to fall where they stood when hit?
If she had left a blood trail for you to follow would you have been happier?
Was there a lot of blood inside the chest cavity, or on the ground where she fell?

Later that afternoon I shot an 8 point at 40yds through the shoulder again and had the same result with a tiny exit wound.
Was this shot on a similar trajectory as the first?
Did you inspect each lung for damage or are you assuming they were both hit each time?


I am still new to 'game' hunting and am trying to understand what has happened with these shots.

publius
December 6, 2008, 09:42 PM
I've shot a few of them before and had the same experience as you, dead deer. Seriously, Win Power pt. should be expanding pretty well but bullets do funny things sometimes. Never can tell, I've had Ballistic Tips make small exits and Barnes-X make huge ones? Weird, but it happens. I wouldn't stop using them if they shoot well out of you're gun based on these two incidents.

Desertfox
December 8, 2008, 05:40 PM
I shoot em and I love em! If you hit the shoulder, it should have exploded. I don't expect double lung shots when I hit the shoulder.
I dropped a mule deer last week at 120 yards with a lung/ exit shoulder shot and it dropped at 15 yards. It was quartering away on the trot.
270 WSM with winchester super X 150 Gr. Power-point.

I have used these bullets since I purchased the rifle. This rifle likes these rounds and groups well, so I use em. First mule deer but have harvested many whitetail with this rifle over the last 4 years with good success.
This round has passed thru some boiler room shots but has done good damage and the deer only travel 20-50 yards. Not much of a problem with the blood trail. Those lungs push out a good trail usually.
I think you can expect to pass thru a lung shot with your round also due to the speed of the bullet. If it hits anything hard, it expands the shock well and usually drops in its tracks.
Side note, I like the bullet to stay in the animal. That way it utilizes all the energy of the bullet into the animal. Pass-thru means wasted energy.

ENC
December 8, 2008, 09:07 PM
Two deer DRT with them so far this year. My rifle seems to really like them accuracy wise and they are cheaper than some of the more premium bullets. If you don't want yours anymore you can sure send them to me. As above sometimes bullets do funny things. I have been using powerpoints for a few years and haven't lost out any to the ballistic silvertips I was using. In general, I think that any modern soft point bullet that shoots good out of a rifle will do the job for deer. I usually opt for a more premium bullet for tougher animals.

Evan

Buzzcook
December 8, 2008, 09:52 PM
Redmaster I haven't used Winchester power points. I have had no problem with Remington Corelockts and since I started reloading I've used Hornady 150gr GR ST and only had one fail to expand. That one was similar to your second deer, it wandered less than 60yds.

40yds isn't really that bad all things considered. But there are a bunch of .30-06 rounds to choose from so you'd best start soon if you want to try them all;-)