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ccookin
November 27, 2008, 09:04 AM
Is there a place on line to research and find dates and serial numbers on The Winchester Model 94 30 30 ?

Gbro
November 27, 2008, 09:25 AM
This is the place,
http://www.proofhouse.com/win/index.html

http://www.proofhouse.com
The home page for many others.
I think it was Mr. Keenan, or Mr. Watson that posted this site a while back.

LawDog
December 3, 2008, 11:14 PM
If I were to guess, I'd bet that Harley Nolden would be able to steer you in the right direction.

LawDog

Fatboy2V-rod
November 23, 2011, 09:26 AM
I have a Winchester model 94 serial # 2775xx3. The chart in this thread for serial # id show a lapse between 64 and 65 models. The 65 models all start with 279 and the 64 models were all below 2,700,000. Is there an explanation for that. I am a newbie to the forum so any help is wonderful. I am thinking of trading the rifle for a 270 or 308 but want to verify its value. Thanks

Jim Watson
November 23, 2011, 09:36 AM
Winchester made a lot of changes in their guns in 1964, mostly to cut manufacturing costs. They put a big jump in their serial number sequence which shows the restart with what are really new models, even though under the same old names.

Yours is one of the redos and is therfore less valuable than a "pre '64."

PetahW
November 26, 2011, 06:43 PM
This is the easiest way to check if one's Winchester 94 is a pre-64 or a post-64:

http://i119.photobucket.com/albums/o121/RellimJ/Photo%20Essay%20Pre-Post%20Win%2094/Pre-PostBottomMantageforum.jpg

The pre-64 will have a screw head visible in the bottom of the forward end of the lower lever link; the post-64 will not.

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Bandit3
February 7, 2012, 02:47 PM
I have a Winchester 94 with a serial number of 913598. Can anyone tell me when this gun was made, and approx. what it might be worth??

PetahW
February 7, 2012, 08:26 PM
1922 - No gun can be evaluated w/o a full description of it's factory features and the remaining % of original factory finish on wood/metal, including any known defects like rust, cracks, dents, and it's mechanical operating condition.

It could be a rusted $50 tomato stake Standard Carbine, or a $10-20,000 Special Order Deluxe Rifle in pristine condition - you didn't say.

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Bandit3
February 8, 2012, 10:29 AM
It's in very good condition and is very accurate when shot. The only thing I can see wrong with it is that the saddle ring is missing and I can't find one to replace it.

1BadF350
February 8, 2012, 11:17 AM
Without pictures we can tell you almost nothing.

Don H
February 8, 2012, 11:45 AM
"Very good condition" is too nebulous a term to assign a value to a firearm. Standard factors for accurately describing a firearm's condition can be found here: http://www.armchairgunshow.com/Condition-NRA-Guns.htm

Clear photos, both close-ups of details and overall views, would be of immense help to us for estimating value.

sapd1098
April 25, 2012, 06:15 PM
I have a model 94 and the serial # 977201, could someone tell me the year?
Thanks
Art

PetahW
April 26, 2012, 03:44 PM
1925

biggubr20
June 1, 2012, 05:47 PM
i have a winchester model 94. serial number 1846845. can anyone tell me when this was made and approx. what it may be worth

PetahW
June 1, 2012, 08:02 PM
1952

sawmanlew
June 30, 2012, 02:47 PM
I have a winchester model 94ae 44 rem mag ranger with 16" barrel NIB no defects at all.
The serial # is 6536372. Can anyone tell me anything about this gun. when it was made what it might be worth. Thanks

PetahW
June 30, 2012, 09:49 PM
There are no SN records for the Model 94AE, since the Winchester records were turned over to BATF with the closing of the Winchester plant in New Haven, CT in 2006, and they aren't talkin'.

The 16", .44 Mag (aka:Trapper) Model 94AE was introduced in 1986, well before your SN - so the best you could do would be to narrow down the period: 94AE- no safety (1983-92), 94AE-CBS(1992-2003), 94AE-tang safety(2003-06).


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HKai
July 15, 2012, 02:05 AM
Hello all: I've followed the posts so I assume my 1894 AE serial #: 6514151 was one of the "lost" ones. Any guesses as to manufacture date?
Many thanks!

Valagar
July 21, 2012, 03:48 PM
I have a winchester 30-30 serial #3250925 in great condition and can't figure out how old it is or how much it's worth. Could someone help me out please?

PetahW
July 22, 2012, 11:23 AM
1969 - $50, if it's a tomato stake, $350 if pristine (you didn't say).

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Valagar
July 22, 2012, 11:43 AM
Thanks! Sorry, yeah it is pristine I suppose except for two scratches on the wood

PetahW
July 22, 2012, 05:25 PM
Sorry, scratched wood isn't pristine..............


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johnnyjohnny
July 29, 2012, 11:59 AM
Serial number is L04897.

Thanks

rodent.22
July 31, 2012, 03:51 AM
above 6000000 is yr 2000 and up (aprox):D

RN140
August 4, 2012, 11:52 AM
I have a Winchester 94 30 30 SN #2841042 that was left toe by my grandfather. Can any one tell me what it might be worth? An estimate or range. Is in very good condition

PetahW
August 5, 2012, 01:40 PM
A 1965 Model 94's worth no more than $300, tops.

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Hawg Haggen
August 7, 2012, 03:20 PM
I think location has a lot to do with that. They may not bring but 300 where you are but here a real nice one will bring 400 or more.

On the X
August 8, 2012, 10:45 AM
I came across a number of NIB 94s that are part of an estate sale. Any speculation as to Fair Market Value.

1. 20" blue 44mag Ser# 635XXXX

2. 16" Brushed 44mag "Trapper" w/saddle ring Ser# 639XXXX

3. 9422 w/crossbolt safety

Waiting for them to set pricing.

PetahW
August 8, 2012, 07:33 PM
$1500.00

craigblue
August 10, 2012, 11:58 AM
Hi yall, I new here and Im hoping you all can help me out. I have a Winchester model 94AE 30-30 serial #6378871 that is unfired and all stainless steel with short tube and synthetic furniture.

I cant find squat on this (thats why I bought it).... Any Ideas??

PetahW
August 12, 2012, 10:52 AM
While Winchester has barreled Model 94's with stainless steel barrels (early 20th Century), they've NEVER made a Model 94 entirely of stainless steel.

What Winchester has done, however, is to finish some Carbon steel models to look like stainless steel (or pewter, or Silver).

Winchester also made a few Brushed Chrome (finish) 94 Trapper's, with synthetic stocks for a S.H.O.T. show (IIRC), sometime around 1999 - your 94AE might possibly be one of those (a call to Winchester with the SN might tell you)

Also, If a bbl is stamped "proof steel", it is not stainless steel.

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craigblue
August 13, 2012, 12:25 PM
Wow!! You are a wealth of knowledge, and it does say "proof steel" on the barrel.
This thing looks to be at 98%+ what would you value it at? Would you shoot it? Or should it be kept in the safe?

PetahW
August 14, 2012, 11:26 AM
Well - YMMV.

While I wouldn't take a shiny/silvered gun out hunting, I might shoot one on the range - but who knows ?

If it's one of those "specials" (i.e., verified in writing by Winchester), it could be more valuable to someone who collect such, fired as little as possible.

Keep in mind that NO guns are truely unfired - since the factories usually "proved" them by shooting at least one shot through them. (Some states now require that fired case be kept/sold with the gun for handguns, IIRC)

FWIW, In over 50 years, I've never personally changed/damaged ANY firearm via simply firing it - at least enough that anybody could discern.

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64 Model 1894
August 14, 2012, 10:49 PM
I have a 1964 model 1894 in very good to excellent condition, and it was manufactured prior to the changes (screw head visible, rounded bottom), it was handed down to me from my father, who purchased it brand new in '64, his first firearm. It is my prized possession, and i was hoping for a very rough (ball park, parking lot of the ball park) estimate on its value to help me to decide whether to insure it or not. Serial number is 2596336, if that is any help. Your assistance is greatly appreciated, whatever the results. Thank you.

PetahW
August 15, 2012, 06:00 PM
Winchester had long changed the "Model 1894" label to "Model 94" by the time the 1960's came along.

And, FYI, even though your Dad might have purchased it in 1964, it was most likely "in the pipeline" for awhile before it got to him - SN 2,599,632 is the highest seen & verified pre-64 Model 94, & the factory Polishing Room records list SN 2,599,694 as the last SN made in 1963, so you actually have a 1963 model.

FWIW, The value of ANYthing would be commensurate with it's condition:

A tomato stake per-64 Model 94 might be worth only $100 or so for parts; while a NIB/pristine example worth closer to $500/$600 - although some sellers seem awfully proud of theirs, judging by their asking prices.


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64 Model 1894
August 19, 2012, 09:43 AM
Thank you for the information, and the SN info is interesting, nice to know that it is actual a '63 model. The value is all sentimental for me, i hope the rifle stays in my family for many years after I'm gone, but my boys are to young to understand this kind of thing as of yet. probably won't worry about insuring it, as according to to the amounts given, it wouldn't be too difficult to replace, should anything (God forbid) ever happen to it. As for condition, i took my cues from the NRA guide. No scarring of the wood and only light wear of the finish around cornered or raised surfaces, no scratches, pitting, rust, or dings. This rifle has been well cared for, and shall continue to be. Thanks again for the info, it is greatly appreciated.

ChrisCO
September 7, 2012, 08:25 PM
I have a model 1894 30-30 with the serial number 12595 waiting for me in my dad's basement. NRA condition is a solid good (did not get a chance to get pictures last time he pulled it out): no rust, wood bruised and scratched with no cracks (it was a daily use saddle gun), action smooth, trigger light and crisp, and the only replacement parts I saw were the "saddle sights" (low profile sights to avoid snagging on a scabbard, patent date 1901 on rear sight). While I have no intention of selling (been in the family since purchase), I am curious as to what it might be worth.

kentjome
September 11, 2012, 02:23 PM
Winchester Model 94, SN 142282, Yr of Man. 1898
No saddle ring.
Factory short magazine.
Brass butt-plate.

Trying to figure what the value of this rifle is. Seems to be difficult to find info for pre 64 guns. Spent several hours online and am either missing something or just not bright enough (no comments!) to find something other than vague info. Don't really want to get the museum at Cody involved as of yet, $60, yea, I know, I'm cheap!

Pics are attached.

Appreciate any information and help I can get. Thanks in advance.

Scorch
September 11, 2012, 04:06 PM
OK, kentjome. Looks to me like you have a parts gun: either a carbine with a rifle stock or a rifle with a carbine forearm and barrel (my guess is this one), and from the magazine cap it looks like a cut and repaired magazine tube. Looks like a post-war barrel based on the sight. It never had a saddle ring. I have never seen an original brass buttplate on an 1894, and it doen't look like brass in the pics. Unless I am missing something, it is a shooter, value about $350-$400. But it is hard to get a real good look at it from pics.

kentjome
September 11, 2012, 04:31 PM
Scorch, what if the rifle would have had a full length magazine? would it be better?

Scorch
September 12, 2012, 12:29 AM
Factory half mags or 2/3 mags had a domed "button" end, from the pics yours looks like a flat end. So either a full length magazine tube or the right magazine cap would be better. But the issue of the mismatched parts will count against that gun either way. From the looks of the front sight base, it has a post-war (produced after WW2) carbine barrel on it the original barrel for an 1898 rifle would have been different. If so, look at the underside of the barrel about 2"-3" from the muzzle it may have a small notch where the other barrel band would have been. It has a carbine forearm and a rifle buttstock (I would guess this repair was done by someone who could not cut the notch for a barrel tenon used to hold the rifle forend on or who had a carbine barrel and forearm sitting close at hand). Remember, many old Winchesters were working guns, not collector items until recently.

Without the letter frorm the Buffalo Bill museum, you would not know which it was, so you would not know which way to repair it (whether to repair it to look like a carbine or a rifle).

Slowgun
October 10, 2012, 06:47 PM
Was just offered one for $375 in excellent cond. Blue 20 inch with light glossy wood stock. What does anyone think? Should I go for it?:confused. PS. It has cross bolt safety.

tillmanrjt
November 12, 2012, 06:50 PM
Good evening,

I am new to this forum but see a lot of very good information being given by experts on these older weapons. Like others I have a question on the date of manufacture for my fathers Model 1894 Winchester. It is a 30 WCF and the serial number is 198873. From the databases I have found, some say they are not that accurate, I have come up with a "made in 1900" date.
Does that sound accurate to you folks? If I can figure out how to put a picture on here, I would love a guesstimate evaluation of the possible worth.

Thank you very much for any information you can offer

Scorch
November 13, 2012, 03:27 AM
Yes, it looks like a 1900 manufacture date is right.

FWIW, the serial number discrepancies are between the polishing room records (pre-assembly) and the shipping records (after assembly, often quite some time after assembly). Some experts like the polishing room records, mainly because polishing was one of the last steps in manufacturing before bluing and assembly, so it gives a pretty good idea of when a firearm was assembled. One problem with Winchester is that they would produce receivers in batches, then they drew from those batches (not always in order) during assembly. Also, custom firearms and special production firearms would be produced and stored for quite some time without wood because the wood would be special ordered by the customer. In either case, I think the numbers are probably close enough, it gives you an idea of when the firearm was produced.

PetahW
November 13, 2012, 10:12 AM
Seeking MFG date Info on 94AE SN#9,400,361
Was just offered one for $375 in excellent cond. Blue 20 inch with light glossy wood stock. What does anyone think? Should I go for it?:confused. PS. It has cross bolt safety.



You might want to double-check that rifle's SN.

AFAIK, Winchester 94AE SN's stopped in the 6,800,000 range in 2006.

Crossbolt safeties were only used from 1992 (near SN 6,000,000) to 2003 (near SN 6,450,000) before the CBS was discontinued in favor of a tang-top safety.


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Uncle Billy
November 13, 2012, 10:31 AM
I have a Model 94 that was bought new in about 1951 that's been on who knows how many deer hunts and has killed a lot of whitetails. It shows its history although I refinished the stock (it's got a surprisingly good figure I discovered after I stripped it to the wood) and redid a small compass that was inlet into the stock after the gun's original owner (my dad's best friend since the 1930s and the CCC) got lost on a watch-drive in the Adirondacks in about 1955. He still got lost more than a few times. Collected all together the stories attached to this rifle would fill a book and be a pretty good history of my family and close friends for the last 60-odd years. I don't care what the gun's market value is, not much probably, it's a family heirloom and the memories that play when the gun is handled are priceless.

I have a Model 70 in .300 H&H Magnum from the same era that has a lot of stories attached to it as well, like the moose it killed in the Yukon having its head mounted and shipped home for a lot of money, only to find the only place it would fit was in the garage. It's priceless to us as well (the rifle, not the moose head which was donated to the local gun club).

PetahW
November 14, 2012, 08:44 AM
If only the guns could speak (sigh)............ :cool:




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torqueroll
January 15, 2013, 05:10 PM
I have a '94 model 25-35 thats 75% blue and is serial number 22448. Guessing its second year production first year 25-35.

Anyone have a good contact or info on it?

Torqueroll at america on-line

PetahW
January 16, 2013, 11:34 AM
FWIW:

The first Model 1894 RIFLE in .25-35 by date is SN 5014, and went to the warehouse 7/18/95 & shipped the same day.

The first Model 1894 CARBINE in .25-35 is SN 6506, and was sent to the warehouse 10/1/95 & shipped 10/3/95.



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torqueroll
January 16, 2013, 12:30 PM
Appreciate the data, this is helpful.

Someone once told me that there is a repository for the original records, Cody or something. Yours appears pretty definite. Is there a contact that I might be able to converse with to find out more info on my particular serial number?

:)

PetahW
January 16, 2013, 10:35 PM
It's the Cody Museum that has most of the remaining records - but they don't gass for zip (IOW: wanna play, gotta pay).

http://www.bbhc.org/explore/firearms/firearms-records/

You'll have to pay them for a certification letter, which would also include the original config & maybe when/where it was originally shipped - but I'd WAG your .25-35 actually dates from 1896-7.


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torqueroll
January 17, 2013, 12:49 AM
Thank you, this is all good stuff.

:cool:

roger05
February 8, 2013, 04:04 PM
hello can some please help with these
4430016
4562840
5378405
5614841
V163517
YB4468
YB4687

PetahW
February 8, 2013, 07:38 PM
hello can some please help with these

4430016 - 1976
4562840 - 1977
5378405 - A 94AE, after 1982 - need more info
5614841 - Same as above
V163517 - Ditto
YB4468 - Ditto
YB4687 - Ditto



There are no SN records available for Winchester Model 94AE (Angle Eject) models, and I am unfamiliar with letter-prefixed Winchester 94 SN's. (I'm just not that into AE's)

The DOM can only be narrowed down and/or generalized with a full description of the rifle, including the presence of a crossbolt safety, no CBS, or no lawyer safety at all; chambering, barrel length & config (round, half-octagon, etc), and stock type.


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jimjakosh
March 31, 2013, 05:17 PM
I just joined this forum and really like the knowledge found here!!
I have a 1964 Winchester model 94- serial 2735504. It does not have a screw in the bottom like shown above. I was told that they converted from machined parts to stamped parts during that year. Can anyone tell me when the stamped parts began, like with what serial number? Rifles made with stamped parts are of much less value than the machined parts.
Thanks, Jim

Scorch
April 1, 2013, 01:06 PM
The changes occurred in late 1963. Any 1964 or later Model 94 is "post-'64". The changes included internal and external changes to make the firearm easier to manufacture. Some of the changes are: stamped (later cast) cartridge carriers, different receiver design to allow for fewer machining steps, use of screws for link pivots, coil spring instead of leaf mainspring, changes to bolt to make it easier to machine. There is not a lot about the post-64 guns that is "bad", they are just different from the pre-64 guns (and way different from the pre-WW2 guns).

PetahW
April 1, 2013, 07:06 PM
It's not only the various stamped parts, hollow roll pins, etc, that make post-64 Model 94's less desireable & less valuable than pre-64's.

During that change, Winchester also changed the way the receivers are made, switching from forged steel to a sintering process, that has a finish (on most models) that only looks like conventional bluing, but isn't.

They tend to show rust/pitting with only light handling/use - aka, as soon as you look at them. ;)

The post-64 receivers were first plated, before they would take any additional finish(s), of which there were several: "blued", "color case hardened", black chrome, "Pewter", "Gold", "Silver", and Brass. (The last 5 finishes were mostly used on commemorative models)




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MikeSD
April 20, 2013, 02:52 PM
Might as well add my question. I have a Winchester 94AE, 45 Colt, SN 6,209,XXX. Post 2000 I would imagine but can anyone pin down the date any closer than that.

It's in very nice condition. The bluing is all there. The loading gate doesn't even have any scratches on it. No scratches on the finish. It almost looks unused based on the metal condition but I can tell it's been used and fired. Small dings and such in the wood. Overall very nice condition.

It's the 16" barrel with saddle ring. Anything you can tell me about it and it's value would be great.

Mike

Hawg Haggen
April 21, 2013, 06:00 PM
It's the Cody Museum that has most of the remaining records - but they don't gass for zip (IOW: wanna play, gotta pay).

There's a dude here (Bert H.) that's a historian for the Cody Museum and has access to Winchester records. He can tell you anything you want to know about when one was made. http://www.thefirearmsforum.com/index.php

ROCKER
May 4, 2013, 12:03 AM
I have a winchester 32 special ser. no. 2787393 can anyone trll me when it was made?

Scorch
May 4, 2013, 12:46 AM
winchester 32 special ser. no. 2787393
1964.

ROCKER
May 4, 2013, 10:50 PM
Thank you SCORCH

maxfan
June 21, 2013, 09:52 AM
A friend inherited this Winchester 1894.These are the details he found on rifle:
Winchester model 1894 30 WCR model number 5351 95
the barrel says nickel steel barrel
manufactured by the Winchester Repeating Arms Company New Haven Connecticut USA patent August 21st 1894
http://imageshack.us/a/img341/1096/g36t.jpg
http://imageshack.us/a/img694/9707/9ya.jpg
http://imageshack.us/a/img11/6753/r6lx.jpg

Any idea of value would be appreciated.
Thanks
bob@firearmsepot.us

PetahW
June 21, 2013, 12:15 PM
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Your friend has a 1910 Winchester .30-30 Rifle Model 1894, with what looks like standard features - IOW, no special order features.

The buggered forward tang sight base screw hole plug screw suggests that it might have had a tang peep sight mounted at one time - if so, it's a shame that it's gone.

The pics are too dark to determine it's gondition, in terms of the remaining % of original factory finish on wood & metal parts, and the mechanical operating condition is unstated/unknown - all of which go toward estimating value.


The best way to find the true value would be to surf only sold/closed gun-only guctions to find out how much somebody's been actually willing to pay of one in the same condition/features today/recently.


Please remember that any "asking" prices, "buy it now" prices, and "opening bids" are not values (reality) - they're hopes & dreams.




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Dstraky
July 8, 2013, 10:03 PM
I have a 1894 Winchester ser# 308798
Can you tell the year it was made.
Thanks

Scorch
July 9, 2013, 02:45 AM
I have a 1894 Winchester ser# 308798
Can you tell the year it was made.

www.proofhouse.com says 1904.

Bmp7088
July 12, 2013, 10:22 AM
Im thinking about buying a Winchester 30 30 model 94 serial 4733874 made in New Haven USA can anyone tell me year and approx value? It is not pristine but very nice condition

Scorch
July 13, 2013, 01:18 AM
Im thinking about buying a Winchester 30 30 model 94 serial 4733874 made in New Haven USA can anyone tell me year and approx value?
Made in 1979, value in fair condition is $300.

alan516
August 17, 2013, 07:16 AM
I have a chance to buy a 94 can anyone tell me how old it is Serial number
5349001, Thanks

PetahW
August 17, 2013, 12:06 PM
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Alan, welcome to the forum ! :)

That Model 94AE was most likely made in 1983 (the 1st year for angle-eject models), or possibly early in 1984.



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clemer1385
August 21, 2013, 06:49 PM
my serial number is 3152444. can some one tell me what year it was made

Scorch
August 22, 2013, 01:47 AM
1968

monoxide
August 22, 2013, 03:53 AM
Can any one date this. It is a ranger but I am told it is still a 94 5629549

PetahW
August 22, 2013, 11:00 AM
Can any one date this.
It is a ranger but I am told it is still a 94 5629549





Nobody except Winchester - but my best guess is the mid 1980's.



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dpast32
August 26, 2013, 12:47 PM
Hello Guys, I finally picked up a little Winchester .44 Magnum "Trapper", something I've been looking for a while now ! It's unfired & as new, but the original owner's wife threw away the box & all the paperwork. ( I think ALL wife's would do that if were allowed to. ) As we all know, these late production Winchester's are somewhat difficult to document, so perhaps someone here may be able to assist me in determining it's date of manufacture ? ( SPEC.'S: Model 94, "TRAPPER", .44 MAGNUM, 16" Bbl., w/ Saddle Ring & Cross Bolt Safety, Serial # 61734XX ) From what little I've been able to learn, it appears to be a post-2000 piece, but prior to 2003 ? That does narrow it a bit, but I'd like to try for an exact year of mfg., if at all possible. Is there a particular text out there that covers these later M-94's ? I'll be very appreciative for ANYTHING I may be able to learn about this M-94 Trapper ! THANK YOU

Best, dpast32

PetahW
August 26, 2013, 07:12 PM
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dpast32, welcome to TFL ! . :p


Outside of Winchester, there's no SN listing for the later AE models, mostly because there's little collector interest in them, unless they're the first/last of whatever change.

The CBS (crossbolt safety) was instituted in 1992 at approx SN 6,000,000, and discontinued in favor of the tang safety around SN 6,450,000 in 2003.

Ergo, my WAG is that your .44 Trapper dates from about 1998.



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SeanMP
September 10, 2013, 07:40 AM
Good Morning

To start off with thanks for maintaining such a good site. I come here often for odd bits of information but this time I have a tricky one.

I just got a Mod 94 in chambered for 32 Spl

SN 172220

I'm just looking for a date. Of course the online resources date this gun too early I'm thinking 1902 but I'd like to have something to convince the customer to get a Cody certificate

Cheers

PetahW
September 10, 2013, 07:19 PM
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The Winchester Polishing Room Records sugget the 172xxx SN range was processed in 1903; but a SN search indicates 172220 was made in 1899.

It's entirely possible that the receiver was made in 1899, but for some reason not assembled/finished until 1903.


IMO, age alone isn't sufficient reason for obtain a Cody letter - but if the gun has one or more Special Features, then a letter would be indicated, to find out in what config it left the factory. (IOW, to find out if the special features were added later by someone besides Winchester)



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SeanMP
September 10, 2013, 09:58 PM
Your right that age alone doesn't require a Cody letter. More so in that it is a generic carbine.

But for several reasons it would be good to establish some provenance for this rifle. I believe there is enough verbal history to establish that this gun has been in Canada with the same family since new. So given that the 32 special represented a relatively small percentage during that first year and given that the number of 94's sold in Canada at the turn of the century was infinitely smaller.

What I'm getting at is this could be one of the oldest if not the oldest 32 special sold in canada. Which would certainly give the family something to cherish as they take their great grandfathers rifle deer hunting every year.

PetahW
September 11, 2013, 08:16 AM
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FWIW, the first .32 Special Model 1894 Carbine ((by SN) was #22967, sent to the warehouse on August 27, 1902 & shipped August 29, 1902.

(The .32 Special was introduced in 1901)



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texas94
November 3, 2013, 09:23 PM
#1053137 would love any info... i think it is a 27' or 28' also anyway to find the value... anything to know if it is a long or short rifle version...it's pretty average quality for a gun sitting in the attic for 40 years and was used before then... seems like it would fire fine, 25-35 w.c.f. if I wanted to. Also any good place to sell down in Austin, TX area. Would like to sell to get a gun I can get ammo for easily. thanks!

PetahW
November 4, 2013, 07:30 AM
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1928; not enough info and/or pics to determine the model or assess a value.


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rfrank
December 6, 2013, 10:04 PM
# 6059223
I can't find anything on this. I think its a late'90s or early '00. Also it has a gold trigger. Is that of any importance? Thank You in advance.

Scorch
December 7, 2013, 02:00 AM
Just to brag, I just picked up a Model 1894 rifle, 26" round barrel, 30 WCF, serial number 175XX. Yep, 1895 production, mostly un-tampered with, pretty clean. This one goes into the safe, with the 1908 vintage 1894 rifle I am going to restore.

PetahW
December 7, 2013, 02:30 PM
# 6059223
I can't find anything on this. I think its a late'90s or early '00. Also it has a gold trigger. Is that of any importance? Thank You in advance.



Welcome to TFL !

In case you didn't read a previous reply I made on this subject:



Outside of Winchester, there's no SN listing for the later AE models, mostly because there's little collector interest in them, unless they're the first/last of whatever change.

The CBS (crossbolt safety) was instituted in 1992 at approx SN 6,000,000, and discontinued in favor of the tang safety around SN 6,450,000 in 2003.



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Deke66
December 15, 2013, 02:05 PM
How can I tell whether or not I have a model 94 carbine?

PetahW
December 15, 2013, 06:45 PM
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Welcome to TFL, Deke !

Excepting "Special Orders", M94 Standard Carbines were issued with 20" bbls & forend wood held in place with a barrel band.

http://www.gunsamerica.com/UserImages/4275/908229157/pop_wm_5827959.jpg


Besides different sights, "Rifle" models usually have longer barrels and will always have a forend cap secured by one screw on each side.

http://www.gunsamerica.com/UserImages/172/989107240/pop_wm_5783830.jpg




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Deke66
December 16, 2013, 07:50 AM
Thats great information Petah, does this apply to post 64 94s as well? I am looking to replace the sights with something more visible, my eyesight isn't what it used to be. It appears the front sight on my post 64 is not dovetail. Most of the aftermarket sights I am seeing say does not fit carbines. This is what leads me to believe it is a carbine since the front sight appears to be a challenge to get off.

PetahW
December 16, 2013, 10:18 AM
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I've never seen a post-64 M94 Standard Carbine with a front sight blade that wasn't in a dovetail - all are AFAIK mounted in either a sight ramp dovetail, or directly in a barrel dovetail.

OTOH, many Model 92's, like gennie Winchester Model 1892's & the recent Browning/Miroku's, are pinned to a square post that's soldered to the bbl.


I'd recommend a fiber-optic front sight like the Williams FireSight as solution to your sighting issue.

The rear bbl iron/open sight can also benefit from a replacment FO sight which typically has a FO dot on each side of the sighting notch; or remove it entirely & install a receiver peep sight.

http://www.williamsgunsight.com/gunsights/images/63331fp94seset.jpg http://www.williamsgunsight.com/gunsights/images/70217dovetailfiresightset.jpg

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Deke66
December 16, 2013, 11:13 AM
Thanks Petah, Maybe I should put my glasses on and look closer. I was looking for FO for both front and rear. I like the looks of that peep however. I may go that route.

Deke66
December 20, 2013, 07:16 PM
Petah I have attached some pictures of my M94. I hope you can make it out but the front sight does not appear to be a dovetail. The rear sight also looks different than other M94s I have seen on line. Any idea how to mount a sight to this.

Deke66
December 20, 2013, 07:26 PM
This is a better picture

Spartan Tactical
February 2, 2014, 06:01 PM
Hello everyone,
I'm hoping to have a few questions answered about a Model 94 which recently came into my shop.As the title says,I'm wondering if this rifle is worth restoring.
I think it's a 1906,but not sure.The serial number is 352331.It has an octogonal barrel and is of .32 W.S. caliber.The action could use some TLC and a reblueing,but the barrel would need to be replaced in order to be in fireing condition.The stock and foregrip could also use some TLC.
Thanks in advance for any help,
Ron.
Spartan Tactical

PetahW
February 2, 2014, 10:23 PM
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DEKE - Your pic of the front sight is too out of focus for me to see clearly & answer your question. Your 2nd pic is focused perfectly, but it doesn't show the front sight under discussion.

Ron - Welcome to the forum! Even though it was made in 1906, it sounds like you have a shooter-grade Model 94 there, which wouldn't change much, no matter what you do to it, so restore it or not, & enjoy it.

It'll definitely be worth more, than if it got reblued. (pics might help)

I'm a little curious, though, as to why it needs a barrel, in order to be fired.




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Spartan Tactical
February 3, 2014, 03:38 PM
I'll try to get pics up ASAP.The reason it needs to be rebarreled is that the fist 4 inches of the bore are completely ruined.It looks as though this rifle would have been muzzle down in a couple inches of water for quite a while.
Ron,
Spartan Tactical

PetahW
February 3, 2014, 06:02 PM
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FWIW, the muzzle can be counterbored with a 3/8" drillbit, then the new/interior mozzle crowned - all to preserve the original bb's length & sights.


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elvis1974
June 9, 2014, 11:19 AM
Hi all this my first post I have been reading all the great info but I am still at a loss. I am a trapper collector and I jst picked up my last need for my collection its 45lc the trapper is 94 AE w saddle ring.all looks right, but. The serial number I cant find it in any of the archives. there is no safety, and the serial number is on the side of the lever. I am stumped! Can someone help me out?

friendlyperson
July 4, 2014, 01:24 PM
I inherited a lever action Winchester 94 in 30-30, octagonal 26" barrel, with serial number WC60842 (I've triple-checked this number on the rifle). I've looked at Winchester's lists of serial numbers and can't seem to find this one. Does anyone know year of manufacture? I'm completely stumped. Thanks very much.

Scorch
July 4, 2014, 08:45 PM
Ron-
My 2 cents' worth: restore it, or sell it to someone who wants to. I buy junked 1894s and restore them. After they are done, they look as close as you can get to a factory new rifle. You will wind up with $2000 in restoration costs, and have a rifle worth about $2000. That is, if it is restored by someone who knows what they are doing. If you are going to hand it over to someone who says they can refinish it and it will look "just like new", be very very skeptical.